Haye Vs. Kimbo

[Chatterer]

Haye wins for me. Kimbo is over-rated and Haye is going to be the p4p champ of all fighting sports within 3 years.


Discuss

[Mazallan]

A world title holding boxing heavyweight vs a street brawler?

No idea who would win.

Not sure about Kimbo being over rated though.

[jimmie]

Kimbo is a better grappler im sure but Haye seems like a really good athlete much more so then Kimbo IMO Haye could make serious improvement in maybe 6 months. Kimbo just has basic submission and wrestling knowledge and likes to stand so Haye has a chance. Of course Kimbo has a weak chin one of the weakest in MMA Haye could blow on him and KO him.

[Primenal]

Haye by massacre...No matter boxing, street fight, or UFC match! I don't even like Haye for gods sake! That's just how much Kimbo sucks.
Kimbo CANNOT wrestle (we know this much) so Haye doesn't have to worry about any takedowns, he can box somewhat, but of course Haye is a much better boxer, Haye takes a better shot than Kimbo (even though I don't think his chin is all that). Haye lands one punch, and hurts Kimbo badly...

[TheBradyHawkes]

This would be one instance where Kimbo would be rushing to get this on the ground. Standing up he has no chance.

[jimmie]

Haye by massacre...No matter boxing, street fight, or UFC match! I don't even like Haye for gods sake! That's just how much Kimbo sucks.
Kimbo CANNOT wrestle (we know this much) so Haye doesn't have to worry about any takedowns, he can box somewhat, but of course Haye is a much better boxer, Haye takes a better shot than Kimbo (even though I don't think his chin is all that). Haye lands one punch, and hurts Kimbo badly...

If they fight right now MMA im favoring Kimbo because he does have some basic grappling knowledge. However he plain and simple sucks and isnt athletic IMO give Haye 4 months maybe even 2 to work on just takedown defense alone he is 100 percent guaranteed to win by KO by just throwing a punch regardless of it landing clean or not.

[bad_guy]

Boxing: Haye
MMA: Kimbo
Street fight: Kimbo

[achillesthegreat]

Haye's power is silly. His jab would hurt and possibly ko Kimbo. Kimbo might go for the takedown. Unlike other moronic boxers Haye would know this is a possibility. Haye has the speed to catch him coming in before it even gets that far. Also, Haye has practiced in other martial arts but how much and how effective can it be.

Anything could happen.

[sinner78]

Kimbo wouldnt last 10 seconds.

[196osh]

Haye has done some BJJ rolling so I would assume therefore he has rolled with better grappler's than Kimbo. Anyway give Haye a week to work on pure TD defence and he would beat Kimbo's ass.

One jab would rock Kimbo and he would be finished. Hell I would favour Haye to beat Kimbo's ass regardless.

[Polymath]

^ Haye hasn't done serious training in grappling. Kimbo has some good training behind him now and should win quite easily.

[Nosbor]

Ferguson (Kimbo) would submitt Haye! He has enough quality mat time with top grapplers and coaches that a sizeable grappling advantage is in his favor. Regardless of whatever prior/current BJJ Haye may under his belt.

In addition: I am assuming that the TS was joking about Haye becoming Pound for Pound king in all fight sports in three years. But with Haye fans one can never be certain....

[196osh]

^ Haye hasn't done serious training in grappling. Kimbo has some good training behind him now and should win quite easily.

Kimbo has been training in mma for two years. The vast majority of the time he has been working on take downs and getting back to his feet. His take downs are poor at very very best.

Haye would only have to stay on his feet and land one shot. Give him a week to work on take down defense with top wrestling coaches and kimbo would be fucked.

[Polymath]

Kimbo has been training in mma for two years. The vast majority of the time he has been working on take downs and getting back to his feet.

What makes you say this? He was doing excellent training with Bas.

Haye would only have to stay on his feet and land one shot. Give him a week to work on take down defense with top wrestling coaches and kimbo would be fucked.

You can't learn anything in a week. Seriously, don't you think these fighters with gaping holes in there games would if they could? Why doesn't Rampage just learn how to check a kick? Its a lot easier than learning wrestling basics even. Coz its not like that, fighters aren't computer game characters that you can just add bits onto; this is a major misunderstanding ppl have about MMA.

I'll take a guy with a few years of top quality training over a guy with no training who is a boxer anyday. Having said that general stuff, Kimbo would likely shoot a double leg and knock himself out a la Mark Kerr or something.

[Polymath]

Likely be a lot like Kimbo Mercer.

[TheBradyHawkes]

^ Haye hasn't done serious training in grappling. Kimbo has some good training behind him now and should win quite easily.

Really? Kimbo looks a dead fish when he gets taken down..almost helpless really.

[codeman99998]

Excerpt of an interview with Haye:

You mentioned Chuck Liddell just before and I’ve got an interest in mma, I can’t lie to you… do you follow the sport at all?

Yeah, I do. I’m a big fan, when I was out in Miami, I went to the EliteXC fight with Kimbo, I saw that show out there. I enjoyed the show, I go to Cage Rage whenever I’m in the UK. I’m a big fan of mixed martial arts, I’m a big fan of combat sports in general. I definitely love watching it. I actually believe that I’d like to get involved in it once my boxing career is over.

Seriously? You’d be interested in competing yourself?

In an ideal world, this is what my plan would be - I’ve accomplished one part of my plan, which was to be undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world, once I’m at heavyweight, I’m not going to box into my 31st year. You know, I’ve been boxing since the age of 10 years old, 20 years in the game is enough for me. But what I’d like to do then, I’d like to challenge whoever’s regarded as the number one mixed martial arts fighter.

I’d probably have to train for a year and try and make that fight because I definitely feel that my reactions are good enough – and if I can get my ground game to a reasonable level… Obviously, I’m not going to be able to catch up with these guys who have been doing jiu-jitsu their whole lives.

Believe it or not, I come from a martial arts background, my father was a karate teacher, so I’ve got good legs. I’ve done judo, so I know what I’m doing. I train at a gym called the Third Space in Piccadilly which has a jiu-jitsu dojo and I get in there from time to time and have a roll around with the guys. They tell me I’m at a decent level, if I put some focus into it and put some time and effort into it… I’m a natural athlete, I can do anything that I want to do and I think that it would be definitely worth my while getting in to do it.

It’s just another challenge, I like to set myself goals and tasks and definitely fighting for the UFC heavyweight championship would be a real big thing for me and I’d do whatever was required to get that win. I’m a fighter, through and through – any kind of competition. I’d be a big underdog, and I’d actually like that. I like people writing me off. I used to fight in the street, I used to be a street fighter, so I’m not a traditional boxer, I’ve done martial arts since the age of 3. I might surprise a few people with my ground game.

[Sloth]

I'm a big mma fan but haye wins this one quickly. Kimbo is a stand up fighter. His ground game sucks balls and his chin is china. Haye by KO rd 1. Plus Kimbo's stand up is class C at best.


Haye vs GSP? GSP wins by choke rd 1

Haye vs Fedor? We bury Haye at 2pm on thursday.


:yep

[achillesthegreat]

Haye is not Mercer. Mercer is an old man who's two famous fights in MMA have simply shown that sometimes the boxer will be taken down and sometimes the MMA will get sparked.

Hayes talent is elite level. His hands are devastating. Kimbo is the same man who has been ko'd by a jab and I must say versus Nelson he had zero intelligence.

If Haye really has legs via Karate and grappling via Judo and BJJ then he has a much better chance than your average boxer.

Haye is incredibly strategic. Watch him break down his fight v Mercer. He wouldn't fight Kimbo without a decent strategy.

[Carver]

If haye could just get the Sprawl 'n Brawl down I'd give him 60/40

[sinner78]

The Kimbo who got KO'd by a seth petruzelli jab .:think

[dublynflya]

Haye by massacre...No matter boxing, street fight, or UFC match! I don't even like Haye for gods sake! That's just how much Kimbo sucks.
Kimbo CANNOT wrestle (we know this much) so Haye doesn't have to worry about any takedowns, he can box somewhat, but of course Haye is a much better boxer, Haye takes a better shot than Kimbo (even though I don't think his chin is all that). Haye lands one punch, and hurts Kimbo badly...

:good. David Haye is a tremendous athlete and very explosive. He does have a rather suspect chin, but hell he's floored almost everyone he has fought and he rocked Valuev (who may be as mobile as continental drift, but he has always been considered durable). With 4oz gloves, one shot to Kimbo is all it would probably take! Haye wins by 1st round ko.

[dublynflya]

Excerpt of an interview with Haye:

You mentioned Chuck Liddell just before and I’ve got an interest in mma, I can’t lie to you… do you follow the sport at all?

Yeah, I do. I’m a big fan, when I was out in Miami, I went to the EliteXC fight with Kimbo, I saw that show out there. I enjoyed the show, I go to Cage Rage whenever I’m in the UK. I’m a big fan of mixed martial arts, I’m a big fan of combat sports in general. I definitely love watching it. I actually believe that I’d like to get involved in it once my boxing career is over.

Seriously? You’d be interested in competing yourself?

In an ideal world, this is what my plan would be - I’ve accomplished one part of my plan, which was to be undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world, once I’m at heavyweight, I’m not going to box into my 31st year. You know, I’ve been boxing since the age of 10 years old, 20 years in the game is enough for me. But what I’d like to do then, I’d like to challenge whoever’s regarded as the number one mixed martial arts fighter.

I’d probably have to train for a year and try and make that fight because I definitely feel that my reactions are good enough – and if I can get my ground game to a reasonable level… Obviously, I’m not going to be able to catch up with these guys who have been doing jiu-jitsu their whole lives.

Believe it or not, I come from a martial arts background, my father was a karate teacher, so I’ve got good legs. I’ve done judo, so I know what I’m doing. I train at a gym called the Third Space in Piccadilly which has a jiu-jitsu dojo and I get in there from time to time and have a roll around with the guys. They tell me I’m at a decent level, if I put some focus into it and put some time and effort into it… I’m a natural athlete, I can do anything that I want to do and I think that it would be definitely worth my while getting in to do it.

It’s just another challenge, I like to set myself goals and tasks and definitely fighting for the UFC heavyweight championship would be a real big thing for me and I’d do whatever was required to get that win. I’m a fighter, through and through – any kind of competition. I’d be a big underdog, and I’d actually like that. I like people writing me off. I used to fight in the street, I used to be a street fighter, so I’m not a traditional boxer, I’ve done martial arts since the age of 3. I might surprise a few people with my ground game.

2-3 years SERIOUS training and a few MMA fights and he may win over the legions of doubters but, unless he is in "Secret training" NOW (And he is a friend of Bisping's) all this kind of talk is gonna do is leave him open to ridicule (But then again, David is a a master of self-promotion and he just LOVES to wind people up!).

[dublynflya]

Haye is not Mercer. Mercer is an old man who's two famous fights in MMA have simply shown that sometimes the boxer will be taken down and sometimes the MMA will get sparked.

Hayes talent is elite level. His hands are devastating. Kimbo is the same man who has been ko'd by a jab and I must say versus Nelson he had zero intelligence.

If Haye really has legs via Karate and grappling via Judo and BJJ then he has a much better chance than your average boxer.

Haye is incredibly strategic. Watch him break down his fight v Mercer. He wouldn't fight Kimbo without a decent strategy.

If David IS serious (And you never can tell!) his elite level of boxing, if combined with excellent grappling (ALL aspects!) and muay thai training (Epsecially kicks and knees) could make him a (Potentially) formidable opponent!! When you consider David's interview, we are not talking about "Todays" David Haye (Although I do feel that 2-3 years SERIOUS mma training would be essential).

[dublynflya]

Boxing: Haye
MMA: Kimbo
Street fight: Kimbo

I've only watched a few of Kimbo's street-fights, but the ones I saw were basically bare-knuckle boxing matches. Kimbo is obviously much improved since the fights I watched, but David Haye is a different league than any of the guys I saw Kimbo fight. If you look past the internet hype (And I am a fan of Kimbo's, he comes across as a humble and really cool guy) then it's hard to see Kimbo beating David (Who loved a street "Tear-up") "On the cobbles".

[dublynflya]

I'm a big mma fan but haye wins this one quickly. Kimbo is a stand up fighter. His ground game sucks balls and his chin is china. Haye by KO rd 1. Plus Kimbo's stand up is class C at best.


Haye vs GSP? GSP wins by choke rd 1

Haye vs Fedor? We bury Haye at 2pm on thursday.


:yep

:smile Haye did say the UFC heavywieght champion!!:lol: He would know to keep away from Fedor!!

[achillesthegreat]

If David IS serious (And you never can tell!) his elite level of boxing, if combined with excellent grappling (ALL aspects!) and muay thai training (Epsecially kicks and knees) could make him a (Potentially) formidable opponent!! When you consider David's interview, we are not talking about "Todays" David Haye (Although I do feel that 2-3 years SERIOUS mma training would be essential).

Haye is not stupid. He won't just look to put hands on his opponent. He knows that makes the fight too even. He is a strategic man and has been ever since he got done over by Thompson.

In 4oz gloves his speed to power ratio would border on stupid.

He already says he has experience in Karate, Judo and BJJ which would be a solid foundation. It would give him at the very least a knowledge of kicks, throws, takedowns and subs.

Sure he might not be black belt in each but at least he'll know about the skills involved. Mercer wouldn't know a gogoplata if his life depended on it.

[codeman99998]

2-3 years SERIOUS training and a few MMA fights and he may win over the legions of doubters but, unless he is in "Secret training" NOW (And he is a friend of Bisping's) all this kind of talk is gonna do is leave him open to ridicule (But then again, David is a a master of self-promotion and he just LOVES to wind people up!).

I guess, I mean, Kimbo has only had a few years of serious training right? If we were talking a top 10 HW or LHW I would agree that his chances would be remote but it doesn't take a great fighter to beat Kimbo.

[Big T]

Haye vs Kimbo??? This is a joke right.. A pro fighter who has worked hard for many years and still in his prime vs a guy who beat guys like me up in a back yard and now is working to become a fight?? If Haye breaks his leg or falls down laughing this is a joke. Haye too fast and hits too hard..first shot Kimbo into the night.

[HeavyT]

didnt enzo say he was interested in MMA? Haye - Maccarinelli 2, cage match.

[Polymath]

Really? Kimbo looks a dead fish when he gets taken down..almost helpless really.

Q - Has he been taken down by someone who has absolutely zero experience or even training in MMA?



Again, a guy with a few years top training beats a guy with no training at all.

[wgain]

Kimbo KO by a guy with pink hair. left it to late to make moves in mma