who is the greatest western kickboxer ever??

[socrates]

rob kaman:

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jean yves theriault:
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ramon dekkers:

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andy hug:

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don wilson:

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honourable mentions: branko cikatic,ernesto hoost,benny urquidez,dennis alexio,peter aerts,alexey ignashov,john wayne parr,mirko crocop,bill wallace,danny bille,remy bonjasky....

FOOTNOTE: and finally the man who could have gone on to be THE greatest ever peter smit (a life tragically cut short)! i recommend everybody to check out the story and career of peter its extremely heartrending but what a great fighter,god only knows how great a fighter he could have been!! peter aerts has his name stitched into his shorts.a tribute to peter please check it out,thanks.

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[socrates]

it was a tough decision between kaman and dekkers but i voted kaman.

[196osh]

I would go for Dekkers but it is pretty much a travesty you left this man out:

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[chimba]

I think theres a consensus on Kaman among his peers

[ufoalf]

Hoost and Aerts are NOT "honorable" mentions.

[Wilhelm]

No Duke Rufus? Seriously, I have no idea, I don't watch that much kickboxing. But that's something I've overheard. And he's from Wisconsin.

[Beebs]

Aerts

[Delroc]

i was always partial to Hug's ax kick.

[sugarngold]

I don't know. What about Rick Roufus? He beat Kaman, Theriault, and Hoost in their first fight.

[reader]

some of these are thai boxers

[196osh]

:rofl

As in boxers born in the west.

[socrates]

completely overlooked the roufus brothers,apologies! i rate hoost highly in fact i may start a aerts v hoost thread! h2h its aerts,record wise hoost. simply because prime for prime they met and aerts shut him out in a fairly dominant 5 rounder,just my opinion its all subjective.

[socrates]

reader: do u mean some fought in thailand under thai rules against thai fighters? wilson is mixed race not sure which part of asia his heritage lies though! dekkers is most likely from mars! the little fuckers ferocity is out of this world!

[196osh]

Shut him out? Any fight I have seen between them has been compeititive, they fought like or 5 times and Ernesto had the edge.

[socrates]

disagree,im talking prime! the 06 fight was a close one but both past there peak! the 5 rounder in 98 was competitive but a fairly dominant aerts victory its on youtube! the 95 fight was competitive but a clear aerts win,the 93 fight in favour of hoost.

[socrates]

we can agree the mid 90's to early noughties were pretty much there respective primes,no? and did'nt aerts take one of those fights with just a few hours notice? look it up! besides that aerts has had a career plagued with injury he could have achieved a lot more.

[socrates]

kaman in front as expected.

only one vote for hug???andy brought the aesthetics into the K-! ring,id have liked to have seen a hug v kaman fight!!

[Sweet Pea]

Ignashov at his best was my favorite. I wouldn't say he was the best of the lot, though, all things considered. I'd probably go with Dekkers.

[Grievesy]

I would personally say Kaman, although he is one of my favourite fighters. That being said I don't know an awful lot about Theriault or Wilson and so can't really comment on them. With things like these, and with guys at such a high level, it mostly comes down to a matter of personal preference anyway.

[socrates]

Ignashov at his best was my favorite. I wouldn't say he was the best of the lot, though, all things considered. I'd probably go with Dekkers.glad to see some support for alexey,big waste of talent right there!!

what happened to him man.....

[socrates]

I would personally say Kaman, although he is one of my favourite fighters. That being said I don't know an awful lot about Theriault or Wilson and so can't really comment on them. With things like these, and with guys at such a high level, it mostly comes down to a matter of personal preference anyway.i recommend you check there careers out mate...

legends.

[Kid Dynamite]

Regarding Hoost and Aerts, obviosuly Hoost is called Mr Perfect for a reason. He scores very high in all domains, defense, boxing, highkicks, lowkicks, tactic, motivation, ...

Aerts is less skilled overall in my opinion and fought in a more risky way, but one of the greatest no doubt about that.

I do rate Hoost above Aerts for the reasons mentioned.

[Grievesy]

i recommend you check there careers out mate...

legends.

I'm trying but it's very hard to find anything on either of them. There is very little satisfying footage or indeed written pieces on them. The little footage of Theriault is of his last fight, his KO over Navarez and one early in his career when he gets KOed. And with Don, I've only managed to find one fight of his and it was his last against Dick Kimber.

Does anyone have decent info/footage of either?

[196osh]

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This is what happened to Iggy.

[Beebs]

How could I forget Benny "the jet" Uriqudez? Legend, fought all comers, fought all rules, won most of them.

Out of the pole I am voting Dekkers for similar reasons, he went to Thailand, fought them on their terms, and won them over.

[socrates]

I'm trying but it's very hard to find anything on either of them. There is very little satisfying footage or indeed written pieces on them. The little footage of Theriault is of his last fight, his KO over Navarez and one early in his career when he gets KOed. And with Don, I've only managed to find one fight of his and it was his last against Dick Kimber.

Does anyone have decent info/footage of either?
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its pretty hard to get footage on the web,specialist sites may be able to order you something,im stuck myself, its a case of who you know really,my friend had shitloads on him but he moved to australia and i lost contact!! the wilson fight is a classic. his decisions over a young hoost are pretty good too...



greatest full contact champ ever.

[socrates]

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This is what happened to Iggy.
too true.