Frank Mir: "Fedor Wants No Part Of Facing Real Competition"

[snakerattle79]

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Whilst Kongo is renowned for his striking abilities, Mir is confident that he could contend with the hard hitting French striker on the feet and views this as a great opportunity to showcase some striking abilities of his own.

"I mean I wasn't supposed to beat Nogueira standing and look what happened there. I'm confident that I can strike with Cheick [Kongo] and make it competitive, my punches are a lot quicker than his, plus I know how to work angles better, trust me I know how to shut guys off. The thing is if I were to go out there and submit him in less than a minute It would prove nothing, a true martial artists would want to challenge himself and the challenge presented in front of me right now is to out-strike someone who on paper is the better striker."

When asked if he would re-sign with the UFC once the remainder of his current contract expires, Mir revealed no intentions of signing elsewhere.

"Not really, the UFC have been good to me over the years, I don't see any reason for me to leave or go elsewhere. I want that rematch with Brock before I even think that far down the line."

Mir has been known to be critical of Fedor Emelianenko in the past, the man who many regard as the number one heavyweight in MMA, Mir however tends to disagree with this notion.

"No disrespect to Rogers but other than Arlovski he hasn't really beaten anyone noteworthy. I don't see how beating a guy like that solidifies Fedor as being number one pound for pound. I would still rank guys like Anderson [Silva], Miguel Torres and St Pierre above Fedor as far as pound for pound rankings go. Do I think I could beat Fedor? of course, but now I'll never get the opportunity to prove it since [Fedor's] made it clear that he wants no part of facing real competition."

[am0kgonzo]

Mir is a giant douchebag.

[dublynflya]

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Shit!! I always considered Frank Mir an intelligent guy. This"Interview" makes him sound like a complete idiot!! Never mind his ludicrous and ill-considered remarks regarding Fedor and how he could beat him (:tired) his claim that he wants to out-strike Kongo, simply because he (Kongo) is a better striker seemed way off base!! Firstly, regarding the Nogueiro fight (The fight that convinces Frank that he can "Stand "with Kongo) Minotoro fought so poorly against Mir I almost considered that NOG had been "Bought off" (Of course, I've since learned that Nog had been seroiusly ill and spent 5 days in hospital 3 weeks before the fight)!! Secondly, why risk making a fight far more difficult and dangerous? Ignore your ego! As for his claim that "If I submit kongo in under a minute, it will prove nothing", IT WILL PROVE YOU WON FRANK!!!! And it would mean you avoided the dangerous stand-up of a superior striker!! Kongo (Another deluded, Fedor slagging twat! God those UFC heavyweights are turds) wins this fight EVERY TIME, if it remains on the feet, surely? I've always liked Mir and I am delighted that he is competing again (following his horrific RTA) but he, an experienced fighter and (Supposedly) intelligent man really should know better than to talk such crap!! LEAVE SUCH THOUGHTS FOR SITTING ON THE TOILET FRANK, (THEY'LL NOT HAVE FAR TO TRAVEL) AND STOP BEING A ZUFFA PUPPET, YOU SHOULD BE WAY BETTER THAN THAT!!

[ufoalf]

Mir actually used to speak well of Fedor before he beat Nog. I think it got to his a head way too much beating staph infected, one knee'd, half blind Nogueira who's way past his prime.
He's beaten EVERYone note worthy. What people have to understand is that what A.Silva did in the UFC was done by Fedor in Pride days. Except Fedor never lost and he keeps on doing it today.

[dublynflya]

Mir actually used to speak well of Fedor before he beat Nog. I think it got to his a head way too much beating staph infected, one knee'd, half blind Nogueira who's way past his prime.
He's beaten EVERYone note worthy. What people have to understand is that what A.Silva did in the UFC was done by Fedor in Pride days. Except Fedor never lost and he keeps on doing it today.

:good I'm sure I have heard/read Mir praising Fedor, on more than one occasion!! Yes Anderson Silva is brilliant, as is GSP (And Torres is still a class act) but for Mir to say that Fedor wants to avoid serious competition is ridiculous and to trivialise his career is almost criminal! Just who the hell is on your glorious resume Frank?? Tim Sylvia (A guy Fedor beat in seconds) An ill Nogueiro and a careless Brock (Who had you beat, truth be told) a couple of "Wins" (1 by DQ) over Wes Sims (Didn't he lose his fight in this years TUF?) and another TUF failure, Dan Christensen (No dis-respect Dan!) And who has beat you?? Oh aye, Ian Freeman smashed you up as did Brock, Brandon Vera and Marcio Cruz!!! If Mir really wants to fight Fedor, what's stopping him? I could be over-simplfying this, but his UFC contract is up soon, if a bout with Fedor is what he craves than he can sign up to fight him then!! Forget about Brock (Who'll beat you again, only easier, and who is out of action for some time anyway) and prove your not talking BS. I'm sure Fedor would be more than happy to fight you!!! Come to think of it, would you even be considered a credible opponent for Emalianenko? I think if Fedor signed to fight you I may start to think that you are right and that he really does not want competitive fights!

[Dynamite Kid]

Mir is trying to bait Fedor IMO. I don't think Mir really believes these things. Carwin & Kongo said some things about Fedor as well, it doesn't mean they really meant it either. Frank is just being Frank. If he ranks GSP & Silva higher that's no big deal.

Torres though? That's way out of line and it's obvious Frank is just trying to be a hard ass lol. Every fighter has his own opinion or just some BS to get the attention of another fighter, this happens often, but can you blame him? Of course he's gonna say he can beat Fedor, what do you expect him to say? Fedor can kick my ass? He knows everyone thinks (and knows) Fedor can kick his ass, he himself isn't gonna admit this. He has pride & ego and would never mouth the words "Fedor (can kick) or kicked my ass" without fighting him first.

As far as him standing with Kongo, he also said he'd stand a little bit with Antoni Hardonk and look how that turned out, he subbed him quickly. If he wants to test himself standing against Kongo that's fine, but once he feels he's not getting the better of then he'll take Kongo down and sub him. Or Kongo would wanna take Mir down himself. Remember Kongo fights like a moron and for whatever reason goes for singles & doubles when he SHOULD be keeping it on the feet. Mir by sub either way.

[Nosbor]

All Mir or any of these Zuffa fighters have to do is sign with Strikeforce and back up their bravado. Instead they hide in the FU-C, crying boo hoo, Fedor will not come to us.

Same tiresome rhetoric...

[Aussie_Al]

Same tiresome rhetoric...

Amen to that brother

[tri-pod]

All Mir or any of these Zuffa fighters have to do is sign with Strikeforce and back up their bravado. Instead they hide in the FU-C, crying boo hoo, Fedor will not come to us.

Same tiresome rhetoric...

I can tell you sucked wentz's dick once or twice.

[boxingcar]

mir's most impressive career achievement was to beat a past prime nogueira. He criticises fedor yet he wants people to give him props for beating nogueira in 2008.

Mir should be ashamed of himself. It's like giving props to McBride for beating Tyson. & these comments of his , are coming from the same guy who got schooled by Brandon fucking Vera & Marcio Cruz.

From the same guy who single handedly embarrassed the entire sport , by letting an ex-WWE star keep the belt. Predictably , Mir was in panic mode against the guy , just like he was against the much smaller but equally aggressive wrestler Ian Freeman. Mir is and always will be a poor man's nogueira. Fuck him and fuck Dana White.

[boxingcar]

Fuck all of them.....Fuck Couture too. Guy comes out of retirement and gets an instant shot at Sylvia. Dana & randy himself , knew the fight was to his advantage. He used to be tim's sparring partner too and knew all the guy's weaknesses.

And fuck him for fucking everything up against Lesnar...a guy against wh he was at times outpowering a fight he was winning on endurance....He had the big fucker totally gassed in the 2nd and still managed to fuck it all up.

Just like he did against Liddell.... (fucking one dimensional kempo fighter with shit grappling skills) , and yet he was the most skilled out of the two and still fucked up

[boxingcar]

And fuck Kongo too... He lost against a washed up herring , and his ground game makes liddell's deplorable ground skills look like werdum's elite bjj...that's how bad it is. And he dares to open his fuckin mouth all because he beat a shot fighter ?

[boxingcar]

almost forgot...and fuck Carwin too , that arrogant hypocrite...who's only noteworthy victory is against Gonzaga , werdum already owned that guy twice.

[jimmie]

mir's most impressive career achievement was to beat a past prime nogueira. He criticises fedor yet he wants people to give him props for beating nogueira in 2008.

Mir knocked Nogueira down several times and finished him NOBODDY has done that so yes it was impressive.

Mir should be ashamed of himself. It's like giving props to McBride for beating Tyson. & these comments of his , are coming from the same guy who got schooled by Brandon fucking Vera & Marcio Cruz.

Mike Tyson who lost to Kevin McBride wasnt winning fights at that stage of his career while Noguiera was coming off wins vs Josh Barnett, Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia so clearly he had alittle left in his tank. Since that fight Nogueira looked damn good dominating Randy Couture who really hasnt been dominated in a fight in how many years ? Brandon fucking Vera ? So are we acting like Vera is some journeymen ?

From the same guy who single handedly embarrassed the entire sport , by letting an ex-WWE star keep the belt. Predictably , Mir was in panic mode against the guy , just like he was against the much smaller but equally aggressive wrestler Ian Freeman. Mir is and always will be a poor man's nogueira. Fuck him and fuck Dana White.

Why is it an embarrsement ? Mir wasnt the first guy to lose to Lesnar. It would have been one if he had loss to Lesnar in the first bout but he didnt. Fuck off with the WWE shit ok people can choose whatever job or career they would like. Lesnar was a Champion D-1 Wrestler do I have to explain how far that alone can carry you through your MMA ? Did you see the rematch Mir was far from in panic mode. Mir had nailed Lesnar with a good elbow then a flush knee and him backing up he decided to get fancy and throw a jumping knee and was thrown to his back directly agianst the cage where obviously Lesnar smashed his head into it over and over until Mir was napping.

[jimmie]

Fuck all of them.....Fuck Couture too. Guy comes out of retirement and gets an instant shot at Sylvia. Dana & randy himself , knew the fight was to his advantage. He used to be tim's sparring partner too and knew all the guy's weaknesses.

And fuck him for fucking everything up against Lesnar...a guy against wh he was at times outpowering a fight he was winning on endurance....He had the big fucker totally gassed in the 2nd and still managed to fuck it all up.

Just like he did against Liddell.... (fucking one dimensional kempo fighter with shit grappling skills) , and yet he was the most skilled out of the two and still fucked up

Yeah how dare Randy fight a guy he thought he could beat :-( Lesnar was not totally gassed he was breathing out his mouth alittle totally gassed would have his hands are his hips and staggered movement. What is with this knock on Liddell's grappling ? Wrestling is apart of grappling and part of wrestling is takedown defense the guy is very hard to get down or keep down and he hasnt been submitted or even close to submitted since what 1998 ?

[dublynflya]

Mir is trying to bait Fedor IMO. I don't think Mir really believes these things. Carwin & Kongo said some things about Fedor as well, it doesn't mean they really meant it either. Frank is just being Frank. If he ranks GSP & Silva higher that's no big deal.

Torres though? That's way out of line and it's obvious Frank is just trying to be a hard ass lol. Every fighter has his own opinion or just some BS to get the attention of another fighter, this happens often, but can you blame him? Of course he's gonna say he can beat Fedor, what do you expect him to say? Fedor can kick my ass? He knows everyone thinks (and knows) Fedor can kick his ass, he himself isn't gonna admit this. He has pride & ego and would never mouth the words "Fedor (can kick) or kicked my ass" without fighting him first.

As far as him standing with Kongo, he also said he'd stand a little bit with Antoni Hardonk and look how that turned out, he subbed him quickly. If he wants to test himself standing against Kongo that's fine, but once he feels he's not getting the better of then he'll take Kongo down and sub him. Or Kongo would wanna take Mir down himself. Remember Kongo fights like a moron and for whatever reason goes for singles & doubles when he SHOULD be keeping it on the feet. Mir by sub either way.

Knowing that idiot Kongo, he probably will go for the take-down (But only after rocking Frank with a big right and having him in all sorts of trouble!!)! And whilst I totally agree with you (Regarding a fighters pride) Frank's comments regarding (In his opinion) Fedor's reasons for having not fought in the UFC and his criticism of Fedor's resume (The best in the heavyweight division, by a mile) when his own resume isn't that impressive do leave him open to ridicule.

[dublynflya]

All Mir or any of these Zuffa fighters have to do is sign with Strikeforce and back up their bravado. Instead they hide in the FU-C, crying boo hoo, Fedor will not come to us.

Same tiresome rhetoric...

:good.

[wentz]

Frank Mir and his entire career is shit paper.

[MattMattMatt]

a true martial artists would want to challenge himself and the challenge presented in front of me right now is to out-strike someone who on paper is the better striker."


What an idiotic statement. A true martial artist would deliberately play to his opponents strengths?! Oh dear Frank...I think it's time for you to get that BJJ white belt back out again.

[Tuffnutz]

Kongo by ko!

[boxingcar]

Look Jimmie , if i sound like an arrogant asshole ...maybe it's because...well..uh..i'm an arrogant asshole afterall. So don't try to reason me.:bart

[Dynamite Kid]

Knowing that idiot Kongo, he probably will go for the take-down (But only after rocking Frank with a big right and having him in all sorts of trouble!!)! And whilst I totally agree with you (Regarding a fighters pride) Frank's comments regarding (In his opinion) Fedor's reasons for having not fought in the UFC and his criticism of Fedor's opponents (The best in the heavyweight division, by a mile) when his own resume isn't that impressive do leave him open to ridicule.

All around IMO Fedor has fought better comp than any other fighter in the HW division of any organization. However Franks criticism of Fedor's opponents are IMO more regarded more towards the choices of Linland & Choi. Remember as far as common opponents go, like Fedor, Mir also fought Tim Sylvia when Tim was undefeated and Mir broke his arm in under a minute. Like Fedor, Mir also fought NOG, and he stopped him. Whether people except that win or not doesn't really matter.

In Mir's mind (or maybe just to get people to talk) he'll downplay just a little bit to see if he can get the man's attention. Arlovski was considered a good fighter when he fought Fedor (for some reason, lost alot of credibility for having to fight a cautious fight against someone he used to train Jiu jitsu with in Werdum:huh) but wasn't considered the real deal anymore. But that's just how it is in the fight world. Not everyone is satisfied. Paticularly potential opponents.

But IMO Mir is right about something though. The UFC is where you really make your mark. (not that Fedor hasn't made his mark, don't get me wrong) but for a guy like Fedor that's done everything and fought everyone, Mir made sense when he said "if you're the best fighter at Affliction then you're the best fighter at Affliction. If you're the best fighter at Strikeforce then you're the best fighter at Strikeforce. If you're the best in the UFC then you're the best fighter in the world". And while I consider Fedor the very best there is, I would have liked to see him in the octagon and beat everyone that works for Zuffa that claims he's "avoiding" and thinks they can kick his ass, it would have been awesome. And I'm a Mir fan saying this.

[am0kgonzo]

Does Mir also think, that he himself was ducking real competition, when Pride had by far the best heavyweight division in MMA?

And shouldnt Frank, who is a "real" martial artist, try to get out of the UFC to test himself against the man that is considered number 1? I mean, Randy tried to do it and it should be a lot easier for Mir, not being the champ and what not.

[dublynflya]

All around IMO Fedor has fought better comp than any other fighter in the HW division of any organization. However Franks criticism of Fedor's opponents are IMO more regarded more towards the choices of Linland & Choi. Remember as far as common opponents go, like Fedor, Mir also fought Tim Sylvia when Tim was undefeated and Mir broke his arm in under a minute. Like Fedor, Mir also fought NOG, and he stopped him. Whether people except that win or not doesn't really matter.

In Mir's mind (or maybe just to get people to talk) he'll downplay just a little bit to see if he can get the man's attention. Arlovski was considered a good fighter when he fought Fedor (for some reason, lost alot of credibility for having to fight a cautious fight against someone he used to train Jiu jitsu with in Werdum:huh) but wasn't considered the real deal anymore. But that's just how it is in the fight world. Not everyone is satisfied. Paticularly potential opponents.

But IMO Mir is right about something though. The UFC is where you really make your mark. (not that Fedor hasn't made his mark, don't get me wrong) but for a guy like Fedor that's done everything and fought everyone, Mir made sense when he said "if you're the best fighter at Affliction then you're the best fighter at Affliction. If you're the best fighter at Strikeforce then you're the best fighter at Strikeforce. If you're the best in the UFC then you're the best fighter in the world". And while I consider Fedor the very best there is, I would have liked to see him in the octagon and beat everyone that works for Zuffa that claims he's "avoiding" and thinks they can kick his ass, it would have been awesome. And I'm a Mir fan saying this.

Fedor has proved that you can be the best in the world without fighting in the UFC, and while he was Pride champion that organisation undoubtedly had the greater pool of world-class heavyweight fighters, but I agree with you in regards that the UFC is widely recognised as the most prestigious organisation. Like you, the UFC is the organisation that I (And almost every other mma fan) would love to see Fedor fight in. He has beat several of the UFC's (Pevious) champions but not in the UFC, so as far as the UFC and the Fedor haters (Who must be one & the same!) are concerned, these victories do not mean a thing!! Let us imagine Fedor signed with the UFC tomorrow (What a thought!!), and wanted a fight asap. With Brock ill and seeminglly out of action for some time and Carwin either going in for (Or recovering from) knee surgery, just who could the UFC propose as a credible opponent? The UFC gave Cro-Cop an "Easy" first fight against Eddie Sanchez (No disrespect Ed!), but they would want their best available fighter for Fedor, so just who could they put up?? I honestly do not think that the UFC could not propose a credible opponent for Fedor!!
P.S I'm with you on the Lindland & Choi match-ups. He really should not have taken such fights!!!

[BewareofDawg]

I think Lesnar beat him stupid.

[Sloth]

Mir beat an out of shape and sick Noguiera. I think Nog should rematch and destroy mir. Then mir could relize a man like Fedor would murder him inside of the first round.

[ufoalf]

mir's most impressive career achievement was to beat a past prime nogueira. He criticises fedor yet he wants people to give him props for beating nogueira in 2008.

Mir knocked Nogueira down several times and finished him NOBODDY has done that so yes it was impressive.


No, it was not. It was surprising because no one knew that Nog was sick and injured. He IS past his prime but KOing past prime Nog is still a shocker, but KOing past prime, sick, injured Nog is not impressive. It's a shame the fight happened.
There's a reason why Gonzaga pulled out because of staph. You have to take bunch anti-biotics that drain your system. There's a reason why people don't fight after they tear a meniscus because it inhibits your fighting greatly.

[jimmie]

No, it was not. It was surprising because no one knew that Nog was sick and injured. He IS past his prime but KOing past prime Nog is still a shocker, but KOing past prime, sick, injured Nog is not impressive. It's a shame the fight happened.
There's a reason why Gonzaga pulled out because of staph. You have to take bunch anti-biotics that drain your system. There's a reason why people don't fight after they tear a meniscus because it inhibits your fighting greatly.

I know staph is a serious deal but what did you want Frank to do ? Fucking lay down ? We never heard anything about him being sick before the fight but like always when a guy loses then come the excuses. Now I do believe Nogueira you could see in his weight, his movement, his energy, recovery that it wasnt his best but shit he went through with the fight so he has noboddy to blaim. Once agian I know staph and a torn meniscus is a serious deal but find me one guy who goes into any fight with no problems whether its injury or personal issues whatever. Frank did what he was supposed to and kicked that ass you cannot doubt that everything you are saying now makes since but dont doubt that. Only thing we can hope for is a rematch which who knows with Lesnar out might just happen if they can win there upcoming fights.

[ufoalf]

I know staph is a serious deal but what did you want Frank to do ? Fucking lay down ? We never heard anything about him being sick before the fight but like always when a guy loses then come the excuses. Now I do believe Nogueira you could see in his weight, his movement, his energy, recovery that it wasnt his best but shit he went through with the fight so he has noboddy to blaim. Once agian I know staph and a torn meniscus is a serious deal but find me one guy who goes into any fight with no problems whether its injury or personal issues whatever. Frank did what he was supposed to and kicked that ass you cannot doubt that everything you are saying now makes since but dont doubt that. Only thing we can hope for is a rematch which who knows with Lesnar out might just happen if they can win there upcoming fights.

Nogueira did not say anything about the injury, rather it "leaked" then he started speaking and explaining his terrible performance. Excuses usually come during post fight conference, while his excuses came after rumors started spreading around and what not. That's not an excuse.

I could find you a plenty of guys who don't go into a fight with 20 day fresh torn meniscus and a 20 days after recovery from 7 days of hospital. He went into a fight with about 18 days of LIGHT training while also recovering. While the last month is usually the most crucial for preparation for the fight and has to be down to a science.
The "bumps" and bruises you're talking about are very minor pains and aches, they are not things that will put a verdict on your fight unlike staph+torn meniscus. They are NOT things that put you out of serious training.


Frank is out of the picture in this case. He did what he was supposed to. There's no one to blame but at the same time don't start talking crap all of sudden thinking you're bad shit cause you beat a legend who was next best thing to wheel chair at the time of the fight. That win is not all great on Franks resume even though on paper it looks impressive.

[zarman]

rogers would kill mir, enough said

[Top Dog]

I dont know why folk big up Fedor as much, he is always in piss poor condition, looks like a pub fighter

[jimmie]

Frank is out of the picture in this case. He did what he was supposed to.
Nogueira did not say anything about the injury, rather it "leaked" than he started speaking and explaining his terrible performance. Excuses usually come during post fight conference, while his excuses came after rumors started walking around and what not. That's not an excuse.

I could find you a plenty of guys who don't go into a fight with 20 day fresh torn meniscus and a 20 days after recovery from staph infection.
The "bumps" and bruises you're talking about are very minor pains and aches, they are not things that will put a verdict on your fight unlike staph+torn meniscus.

Once agian if it was this bad then postpone the fight noboddy wants to do that but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Nogueira showed up weak and has noboddy to blaim but himself for losing and losing in terribly one sided fashion like he did. You are right about it leaking but I dont think its fair to have Nogueira and especially Joe Rogan or Dana White say it 30 times each in the buildup to Nogueira-Couture as it does take away from the win Frank earned.

[jimmie]

I dont know why folk big up Fedor as much, he is always in piss poor condition, looks like a pub fighter

Yeah Fedor gasses almost every fight.

[ufoalf]

Once agian if it was this bad then postpone the fight noboddy wants to do that but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Nogueira showed up weak and has noboddy to blaim but himself for losing and losing in terribly one sided fashion like he did. You are right about it leaking but I dont think its fair to have Nogueira and especially Joe Rogan or Dana White say it 30 times each in the buildup to Nogueira-Couture as it does take away from the win Frank earned.

Omg, you're missing the point. No one is blaming Mir or w/e. Point is with all things considered that win isn't impressive. It is deserved win and Mir did great. I don't think anyone should be making excuses for Nogueira's loss. I'm not making excuses for his loss. I'm saying Mir shouldn't be all that fucking proud of himself for beating lame Nog that he starts talking shit. The win was not impressive in the sense that it did not prove that much of anything about Mir.

[jimmie]

Omg, you're missing the point. No one is blaming Mir or w/e. Point is with all things considered that win isn't impressive. It is deserved win and Mir did great. I don't think anyone should be making excuses for Nogueira's loss. I'm not making excuses for his loss. I'm saying Mir shouldn't be all that fucking proud of himself for beating lame Nog that he starts talking shit. The win was not impressive in the sense that it did not prove that much of anything about Mir.

So you say Mir did geat but shouldnt be proud of himself ? Mir has always been a cocky shit talker so the Nogueira WIN did nothing to that.

[ufoalf]

So you say Mir did geat but shouldnt be proud of himself ? Mir has always been a cocky shit talker so the Nogueira WIN did nothing to that.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I'd rephrase it as he shouldn't be too proud of himself as he seems to be. At least not any more than when he beat Tim Sylvia with that armbar. Same way I think that Fedor did great against Zulu but if that was the proudest thing he did in his career it's not saying much.
Actually, he changed his tune quite a bit after that win and not only towards Fedor either. I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that he probably looked up to Nogueira during earlier in his career.

[Dynamite Kid]

rogers would kill mir, enough said

Don't say stupid shit.

[jimmie]

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I'd rephrase it as he shouldn't be too proud of himself as he seems to be. At least not any more than when he beat Tim Sylvia with that armbar. Same way I think that Fedor did great against Zulu but if that was the proudest thing he did in his career it's not saying much.
Actually, he changed his tune quite a bit after that win and not only towards Fedor either. I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that he probably looked up to Nogueira during earlier in his career.

Zulu isnt anything near even a sick Nogueira so maybe not the best comparison.

[Beebs]

rogers would kill mir, enough said

You are out of your tiny little mind. Mir takes one of Rogers' limbs home as a trophey.

[Beebs]

Omg, you're missing the point. No one is blaming Mir or w/e. Point is with all things considered that win isn't impressive. It is deserved win and Mir did great. I don't think anyone should be making excuses for Nogueira's loss. I'm not making excuses for his loss. I'm saying Mir shouldn't be all that fucking proud of himself for beating lame Nog that he starts talking shit. The win was not impressive in the sense that it did not prove that much of anything about Mir.


Do you know that Mir was 100% healthy? That any of Nog's wins were because his opponent was hurt?

Mir didn't just beat him because Nog was sick, he surprised everybody by showing really improved striking; you can look good no matter who is across from you.

Not to mention Mir was the first one to actually stop Nog; lots have cracked his chin, Mir finally broke it.

[Tuffnutz]

Mir is totally overated.

Alway's has been.

There's a damn good chance that he'll get stopped vs Kongo anyway so fuck what he say's.

[Big T]

If I was Mir or anyother HW in MMA, I also would call out Fedor. Why? Becuse if you look at it, Fedor is due to get beat. Could be any number of fights. It's not because the fighters are any better, it's AGE. He at this point is he is still the Number 1 HW in the world. It's going to happen and you want that under your belt that you beat Fedor. So why not call him out.

[codeman99998]

Frank Mir versus Rogers could be a very good fight. I think after the Kongo fight we'll be able to see (if Mir does what he says and stands with Kongo) if his standup has really improved as much as it seemed against Nog or if Nog's weakness made him look better than he is.

He threw a LOT of lead uppercuts from distance against Nog and that can be a huge mistake against someone with a big power like Rogers. I do agree that Mir could submit Rogers if the fight got to the ground but Fedor didn't have an easy time keeping Rogers down so I can see Rogers keeping it standing possibly.

[codeman99998]

If I was Mir or anyother HW in MMA, I also would call out Fedor. Why? Becuse if you look at it, Fedor is due to get beat. Could be any number of fights. It's not because the fighters are any better, it's AGE. He at this point is he is still the Number 1 HW in the world. It's going to happen and you want that under your belt that you beat Fedor. So why not call him out.

It's not just that though. Frank Mir is not some unbiased spectator. He is a professional fighter who has beaten some top tier competition (In Nog and Sylvia), is a former champion, and works his ass off to be the best he can be. If he didn't believe he could beat anyone in the world he almost certainly wouldn't be as good of a fighter as he is and you really can't blame him for thinking he can beat anyone.

I imagine most top 10 fighters in any weight class believe that they can beat anyone in the world on their night.

[Dynamite Kid]

Mir is totally overated.

Alway's has been.

There's a damn good chance that he'll get stopped vs Kongo anyway so fuck what he say's.

Frank Mir:

Brazilian Jiu jitsu black belt.

A top 10 HW.

Subbed a black belt in Roberto Tavern in his UFC debut in about a minute.

Former UFC HW champion (never lost the title)

His submission wins are masterful. Subbed Pete Williams with a clever arm/elbow lock that nobody had ever seen before. Submissions 101 still calls it the Mir lock.

Was supposed to be Tank Abbot's sacrificial lamb and he ruined his show seemingly as soon as that fight started.

The first man to beat Tim Sylvia and snapped his arm in under a minute.

Brock Lesnar's UFC debut was really huge, Mir fucked his show up too.

Whether you like it or not he stopped NOG.


And there's also a damn good chance Kongo gets one of his arms ripped off so fuck what YOU say.

[Tuffnutz]

Frank Mir:

Brazilian Jiu jitsu black belt.

A top 10 HW.

Subbed a black belt in Roberto Tavern in his UFC debut in about a minute.

Former UFC HW champion (never lost the title)

His submission wins are masterful. Subbed Pete Williams with a clever arm/elbow lock that nobody had ever seen before. Submissions 101 still calls it the Mir lock.

Was supposed to be Tank Abbot's sacrificial lamb and he ruined his show seemingly as soon as that fight started.

The first man to beat Tim Sylvia and snapped his arm in under a minute.

Brock Lesnar's UFC debut was really huge, Mir fucked his show up too.

Whether you like it or not he stopped NOG.


And there's also a damn good chance Kongo gets one of his arms ripped off so fuck what YOU say.


I like to look at his loses too and the shit fights that he's had. ;)

[Dynamite Kid]

I like to look at his loses too and the shit fights that he's had. ;)

And that's fine. Losing is a big part of sports. And shit fights are nothing new to a fighter. And look how he's bounced back. Keep hating. You saying you like to look at his shit fights means you're well aware he's had some damn good performances also:deal

[Koa]

Do you know that Mir was 100% healthy? That any of Nog's wins were because his opponent was hurt?

Mir didn't just beat him because Nog was sick, he surprised everybody by showing really improved striking; you can look good no matter who is across from you.

Not to mention Mir was the first one to actually stop Nog; lots have cracked his chin, Mir finally broke it.

Seriously? Mir is out of his mind for his statement. He shows up and stands up once in his career and thinks he's a bonafide striker.

He's a good sub guy. Dangerous from his back if opponents are CARELESS. He's not a dynamic submissions guy, who can pull an arm in the flash of an eye.. He baits, goads, and sets guys up. IF a fighter knows what to look for, and aren't fighting stupid, they really shouldn't get caught by him.

That Nog got caught standing up, several times is testament to his improved striking. But, I want to see it again before I consider his striking THAT improved.. Like improved on the level of Kos for example.. Mir, is notoriously lazy and cocky.

Lets see him keep it up for another fight..

[Tuffnutz]

And that's fine. Losing is a big part of sports. And shit fights are nothing new to a fighter. And look how he's bounced back. Keep hating. You saying you like to look at his shit fights means you're well aware he's had some damn good performances also:deal
He got bounced around by Brock more like. :lol:

Brock just finished off what he started in the first fight when he was 1-0 against a can. :lol:

Mir has'nt bounced back from shit.

He's still the same old Framk Mir whos prone to getting smashed up and gassed to death.

The Nog fight was just BS and everyone who's followed Nog's career and saw his fight with Randy knows it.

He got smashed by Freeman after beating a Pete Williams who came off two TKO losses back to back.

Beaten up by Vera and Cruz :lol:.

Looked like shit against Christison.

Tank? :lol:

I've seen his fight with Tavern but can't remember it, and WTF did he do in MMA?

Never seen his first two fights and have no desire to either.

yeah he was the first man to beat Tim Sylvia, one of the most slagged off heavies and ridiculed heavies of all time. :lol:

It was a great and brutal sub though.

His sub against the mentally broken and immediately retired Williams was good too. :lol:

Hardonks a mediocre fighter, nothing special that never fought anyone and was coming off a loss when he fought Mir.

His fights with Wes Sims :lol: were garbage.

If I remember correclty both Mir and Sims were gassed to death in the rematch? :lol:

Lets be honest, no one will be shocked if Kongo beats him up AGAIN and stops him but even if he beats Kongo who gives a shit?

Mir is a bum compared to Fedor and needs to STFU!

Take all those fights where Mir was a beaten up and a bloodied mess, put them together and know that Fedor would beat his face in worse than all those dudes put togehter, and also leave Mir out cold on the matt too! :deal

Ive never liked Mir and never understood what the fuss was about with this guy.

Freeman exposed Mir a long time ago. :lol:

[ufoalf]

Do you know that Mir was 100% healthy? That any of Nog's wins were because his opponent was hurt?

Because serious shit like staph and serious injury usually swims up, and about 90% of the time people who barely train for a month prior to a fight don't look all that great.

If Mir had anything that is as serious as either week of staph in a hospital OR a torn meniscus for 20 days prior to a fight than he is fucking amazing.

[Nosbor]

I think Tuffnutz summed up the crux of most people's indignation towards Mir's comments.

"Mir is a bum compared to Fedor and needs to STFU!"

[Weber]

Frank Mir:

Brazilian Jiu jitsu black belt.

A top 10 HW.

Subbed a black belt in Roberto Tavern in his UFC debut in about a minute.

Former UFC HW champion (never lost the title)

His submission wins are masterful. Subbed Pete Williams with a clever arm/elbow lock that nobody had ever seen before. Submissions 101 still calls it the Mir lock.

Was supposed to be Tank Abbot's sacrificial lamb and he ruined his show seemingly as soon as that fight started.

The first man to beat Tim Sylvia and snapped his arm in under a minute.

Brock Lesnar's UFC debut was really huge, Mir fucked his show up too.

Whether you like it or not he stopped NOG.


And there's also a damn good chance Kongo gets one of his arms ripped off so fuck what YOU say.

Look at Mir's resume and then take a look at Fedor's.

Yeah. Frank Mir is fucking idiot, and he has no business whatsoever badmouthing Fedor. Simple as that.

[Dynamite Kid]

He got bounced around by Brock more like. :lol:

Brock just finished off what he started in the first fight when he was 1-0 against a can. :lol:

Mir has'nt bounced back from shit.

He's still the same old Framk Mir whos prone to getting smashed up and gassed to death.

The Nog fight was just BS and everyone who's followed Nog's career and saw his fight with Randy knows it.

He got smashed by Freeman after beating a Pete Williams who came off two TKO losses back to back.

Beaten up by Vera and Cruz :lol:.

Looked like shit against Christison.

Tank? :lol:

I've seen his fight with Tavern but can't remember it, and WTF did he do in MMA?

Never seen his first two fights and have no desire to either.

yeah he was the first man to beat Tim Sylvia, one of the most slagged off heavies and ridiculed heavies of all time. :lol:

It was a great and brutal sub though.

His sub against the mentally broken and immediately retired Williams was good too. :lol:

Hardonks a mediocre fighter, nothing special that never fought anyone and was coming off a loss when he fought Mir.

His fights with Wes Sims :lol: were garbage.

If I remember correclty both Mir and Sims were gassed to death in the rematch? :lol:

Lets be honest, no one will be shocked if Kongo beats him up AGAIN and stops him but even if he beats Kongo who gives a shit?

Mir is a bum compared to Fedor and needs to STFU!

Take all those fights where Mir was a beaten up and a bloodied mess, put them together and know that Fedor would beat his face in worse than all those dudes put togehter, and also leave Mir out cold on the matt too! :deal

Ive never liked Mir and never understood what the fuss was about with this guy.

Freeman exposed Mir a long time ago. :lol:

I'm not arguing that Fedor beats Mir. I don't think you're paying attention. I never once said or indicated Mir can beat him. I never once compared resumes. However you mentioning the fights with Cruz (first fight back from a broken leg), Christinsen (CLEARY WASN'T TRAINING AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT YOU'RE BLIND AS SHIT) & Vera (when Mir was still drinking alot) means nothing. Just as how alot of fans like you cry and scream that wasn't the real NOG. It's the same thing.

Maybe Lesnar did finish what he started from the first fight, but guess what? No matter how you look at it when Lesnar & his fans look at his record there's still a LOSS on it. A LOSS. A LOSS. His record says he lost ONCE. Mir put that blemish there and that's what it is.

"Hasn't bounced back from shit?" How about YOU break YOUR LEG and see how YOU feel. Mir beating Lesnar & NOG after a broken leg sounds pretty damn good to me. Going through some hard times and some bad performances after he came back then regaining form and actually co-main eventing at UFC 100 is pretty fuckin impressive. You mentioning Mir's win over Hardonk like it was nothing special is cool, I don't think Lesnar's snooze fest win over Hearring was special either.

"The NOG fight was just BS?" Typical talk from some fan who's anti against a fighter and will say anything to discredit him. You comparing NOG's performance against a 60 yr old Couture who's shot to shit means absolutely nothing to me. Couture who's 7 losses in the UFC and are all within his last 14 fights and actually almost got KO'd by NOG and a gift over Brandon Vera kinda shows where the old man is right now. Don't you think? So continue with your Mir bashing. Keep it coming:thumbsup

[Dynamite Kid]

Look at Mir's resume and then take a look at Fedor's.

Yeah. Frank Mir is fucking idiot, and he has no business whatsoever badmouthing Fedor. Simple as that.

Ok now I'm gonna tell you what I just told someone else. I NEVER ONCE COMPARED RESUMES. NEVER INDICATED. NEVER IMPLIED. NEVER EVEN SAID MIR CAN BEAT THE MAN. AND FRANK MIR IS MY FAVORITE FIGHTER. HOWEVER...

It's his opinion and he can say whatever he likes. I can remember Brock Lesnar a while back making VERY clear he DOESN'T like gay people:lol: And guess what? People outraged, they said all kinds of things, infact there was a thread about it on here not to long ago that sparked alot of debate. And you wanna know something?

Lesnar didn't give 2 shits. He never commented on it and never apologized which I found awesome. He left it alone and that was that. Frank Mir's opinions or slick talk about a fighter is something he chose to say and that's what it is. People act like he commited a crime or something:lol: I'm a Fedor fan like everyone else and believe he's the best in the world but hey, that doesn't stop people from having they're own opinion or simply just saying dumb shit to try and get the attention of another person when they choose to:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

You are out of your tiny little mind. Mir takes one of Rogers' limbs home as a trophey.
Rogers fought off Fedors submission attempts. If Rogers landed those GNP punches on Mir the fight would've been stopped. For me, Mir still hasn't proven himself
Even back when he beat Sylvia, he was getting his ass beat. The one lesnar fight he was fortunate lesnar gave him that opportunity. Vera destroyed him and anybody with 1/2 a brain will tell you that the Nog victory means very little. I would pick Rogers to beat the shit out of him, I'm picking Kongo to beat him actually.

[Spunik]

I hope Kongo pounds Mir into the ground.....

[dublynflya]

I think Tuffnutz summed up the crux of most people's indignation towards Mir's comments.

"Mir is a bum compared to Fedor and needs to STFU!"

:good

[Beebs]

Rogers fought off Fedors submission attempts. If Rogers landed those GNP punches on Mir the fight would've been stopped. For me, Mir still hasn't proven himself
Even back when he beat Sylvia, he was getting his ass beat. The one lesnar fight he was fortunate lesnar gave him that opportunity. Vera destroyed him and anybody with 1/2 a brain will tell you that the Nog victory means very little. I would pick Rogers to beat the shit out of him, I'm picking Kongo to beat him actually.

He avoided one attempt, because Fedor didn't have his leg over the face on one armbar.

Mir would fucking steamroll Rogers; you have to be flat out stupid to think otherwise.

Eat Roger's shots? All 3 of them? Have you seen his first fight with Lesnar landing three times as many shots that were 5 times harder.

Rogers better than Mir; you are a fucking idiot.

[Beebs]

Seriously? Mir is out of his mind for his statement. He shows up and stands up once in his career and thinks he's a bonafide striker.

He's a good sub guy. Dangerous from his back if opponents are CARELESS. He's not a dynamic submissions guy, who can pull an arm in the flash of an eye.. He baits, goads, and sets guys up. IF a fighter knows what to look for, and aren't fighting stupid, they really shouldn't get caught by him.

That Nog got caught standing up, several times is testament to his improved striking. But, I want to see it again before I consider his striking THAT improved.. Like improved on the level of Kos for example.. Mir, is notoriously lazy and cocky.

Lets see him keep it up for another fight..

Can't pull an arm in a second? What'd he do to Sylvia? Oh but when Mir does it his opponent was careless, whereas everybody Fedor has ever subbed employed perfect defense.

Isn't dynamic? What'd he do to Lesnar in the first fight?

The man averages about a minute on the ground is in his sub wins; making not only what you say not true, but the exact opposite.

If any legit criticism could be made of Mir's subs it's that he is too reliant on being quick and dynamic rather than methodical.

I mean really, you don't just not have it right, you have it exactly the polar opposite of reality; Mir has always been a quick sub guy, not a beautiful set up guy, he grabs and snaps, and he usually does it as soon as it hits the ground. He has the best average time to land a sub of any major fighter, and you somehow manage to make a long winded post about how he doesn't do exactly what he is best known for.

You could not be any more wrong if you tried, it is completly impossible, you have perfected being incorrect.

[jimmie]

Can't pull an arm in a second? What'd he do to Sylvia? Oh but when Mir does it his opponent was careless, whereas everybody Fedor has ever subbed employed perfect defense.

Isn't dynamic? What'd he do to Lesnar in the first fight?

The man averages about a minute on the ground is in his sub wins; making not only what you say not true, but the exact opposite.

If any legit criticism could be made of Mir's subs it's that he is too reliant on being quick and dynamic rather than methodical.

I mean really, you don't just not have it right, you have it exactly the polar opposite of reality; Mir has always been a quick sub guy, not a beautiful set up guy, he grabs and snaps, and he usually does it as soon as it hits the ground. He has the best average time to land a sub of any major fighter, and you somehow manage to make a long winded post about how he doesn't do exactly what he is best known for.

You could not be any more wrong if you tried, it is completly impossible, you have perfected being incorrect.

Agreed if this isnt dynamic then im not sure WTF is

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[Koa]

Agreed if this isnt dynamic then im not sure WTF is

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Like I said, submissions, which if you are careful, and give a bjj blackbelt some respect, you will NOT get caught in an elbow lock or shoulder crank. It's almost akin to being subbed by can opener.

Same with Lesnar. Should not have been caught in that submission, and would not have had he given Mir the respect of a guy who can pull off a sub.

[Beebs]

So all of his subs that come within a min of the fight being on the ground are just silly mistakes.

Fedor's on the other hand are all perfectly executed against people defending with 100% precision.

Your entire premise was the dumbest thing you have ever written; being dynamic and quick with subs is what Frank Mir is most known for, it is what he is defined as a fighter by.

[Charlie Z]

fedor would fucking smash frank mir

[Dynamite Kid]

What an idiotic statement. A true martial artist would deliberately play to his opponents strengths?! Oh dear Frank...I think it's time for you to get that BJJ white belt back out again.

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[Koa]

So all of his subs that come within a min of the fight being on the ground are just silly mistakes.

Fedor's on the other hand are all perfectly executed against people defending with 100% precision.

Your entire premise was the dumbest thing you have ever written; being dynamic and quick with subs is what Frank Mir is most known for, it is what he is defined as a fighter by.

Really.. So how would you rate Frank Mir among today's submission guys? How about even among BJJ Black Belts of all weight classes?

This is the point I'm trying to draw out.. That he is quite ordinary as a black belt who has primarily been a submission guy. Stuffing words in my mouth, whether the subs come in the first round, or whatever makes little difference to me, to be perfectly honest. How impressive is Mir's fight, say against an opponent like Tim Silvia, versus say Noguera's fight against Mirco Crocop?

Have you ever watched say, B.J. Penn implement dynamic moves in his submissions? Say, utilizing amazing flexibility to trap an arm with his leg?

How about, something like Filho? You know the armbar is coming, but could you possibly stop it? Such a thing as relentless bjj.

What about pulling something in the blink of an eye, that wasn't based on something that was necessarily a mistake? What I'm saying is, I don't see anything especially spectacular in his BJJ. He's a good blackbelt. If he were compared to other sub fighters on a lb for lb basis, I don't think his name even deserves to be mentioned.

[codeman99998]

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Mir is saying something different in this clip than he said previously.

[Dynamite Kid]

Mir is saying something different in this clip than he said previously.

It doesn't matter. He seems like he knows exactly what to do against Kongo.

[BewareofDawg]

He avoided one attempt, because Fedor didn't have his leg over the face on one armbar.

Mir would fucking steamroll Rogers; you have to be flat out stupid to think otherwise.

Eat Roger's shots? All 3 of them? Have you seen his first fight with Lesnar landing three times as many shots that were 5 times harder.

Rogers better than Mir; you are a fucking idiot.
I'm an idiot? Dude you need to shift gears back a few, immediately turning to personal insults after reading my opinion?

A. Lesnar's punches WERE NOT 5 times harder than Rogers shots on fedor, only "fucking idiot" would think that. And Mir didn't take those and fight on :lol: He laid there, who knows what planet he was on when he was laying there 1/2 dead before the ref stopped it. Rogers was postured up putting his body into the shots and punching downward, Lesnar was laying on his side throwing arm punches. Look at the one right hand that lands flush on fedor's face....

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B. Mir would steamroll Rogers now, but Fedor couldn't steam roll him? How? Fedor is better at EVERYTHING then Mir, what would be Mir's gameplan, what would he do to STEAMROLL Rogers, that Fedor failed to do?

C. After watching ALL of Mir's fights, I think he would have more then a hard time with Rogers and I think he is grossly overrated and has been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. He beat Lesnar, not because he was the better fighter, because Lesnar made a amateur mistake and then panicked and he beat Nog because...well everyone knows what happened there.

[Nosbor]

Mir is awesome! If you do not think so, simply ask him.:D

[dublynflya]

Mir is awesome! If you do not think so, simply ask him.:D

:lol:

[dublynflya]

I dont know why folk big up Fedor as much, he is always in piss poor condition, looks like a pub fighter

I agree that he does look like a pub fighter, but the important thing is he doesn't fight like one. I would hate to get into a scrap with him in my local, I can tell you!!:). And of course physiques are very deceptive and the guy is obviously extremely fit. But here's a thing, could he "Cut" to 205? Probably, if he so chose! Were he to do so he could fight Anderson Silva and who wouldn't want to watch that fight???

[dublynflya]

What an idiotic statement. A true martial artist would deliberately play to his opponents strengths?! Oh dear Frank...I think it's time for you to get that BJJ white belt back out again.

:good

[Beebs]

I'm an idiot? Dude you need to shift gears back a few, immediately turning to personal insults after reading my opinion?

A. Lesnar's punches WERE NOT 5 times harder than Rogers shots on fedor, only "fucking idiot" would think that. And Mir didn't take those and fight on :lol: He laid there, who knows what planet he was on when he was laying there 1/2 dead before the ref stopped it. Rogers was postured up putting his body into the shots and punching downward, Lesnar was laying on his side throwing arm punches. Look at the one right hand that lands flush on fedor's face....

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B. Mir would steamroll Rogers now, but Fedor couldn't steam roll him? How? Fedor is better at EVERYTHING then Mir, what would be Mir's gameplan, what would he do to STEAMROLL Rogers, that Fedor failed to do?

C. After watching ALL of Mir's fights, I think he would have more then a hard time with Rogers and I think he is grossly overrated and has been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time. He beat Lesnar, not because he was the better fighter, because Lesnar made a amateur mistake and then panicked and he beat Nog because...well everyone knows what happened there.

He doesn't have to be better than Fedor, he has to be better than Rogers; he is much better than Rogers could ever hope to be.

So Lesnar with his life of at least some form of grappling gets subbed, and I love how it's a "rookie mistake when Mir does it to somebody, but would have just been perfect technique if it was Fedor, but Rogers, with no grappling at all won't get caught by one of the best guys in the world at grabbing subs?

That was not an easy leglock, he set it up perfectly, and then managed to finish it despite him having to use the shin as the stress point rather than the knee joint; he did this against easily the strongest serious fighter in MMA pulling away with all he had.

You really just don't know shit about Mir; the whole promise of your post was that Mir can't do exactly what Mir has done his whole fucking career. You just have no understanding of who he is, just a typical fightfinder expert.

You laughed at Tank, guess what, Rogers is Tank with less power, less chin, less strength, and none of the wrestling.


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[Koa]

He doesn't have to be better than Fedor, he has to be better than Rogers; he is much better than Rogers could ever hope to be.

So Lesnar with his life of at least some form of grappling gets subbed, and I love how it's a "rookie mistake when Mir does it to somebody, but would have just been perfect technique if it was Fedor, but Rogers, with no grappling at all won't get caught by one of the best guys in the world at grabbing subs?

That was not an easy leglock, he set it up perfectly, and then managed to finish it despite him having to use the shin as the stress point rather than the knee joint; he did this against easily the strongest serious fighter in MMA pulling away with all he had.

You really just don't know shit about Mir; the whole promise of your post was that Mir can't do exactly what Mir has done his whole fucking career. You just have no understanding of who he is, just a typical fightfinder expert.

You laughed at Tank, guess what, Rogers is Tank with less power, less chin, less strength, and none of the wrestling.


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There you go again Beebs. Mir is a good blackbelt. Compare him lb for lb with his peers; fighters who specialize in submissions, and he's a footnote.

[Ubersteve]

Rogers is far better than Tank. I like his chances with Mir because Mir struggles with explosive guys IMO.

Also the Brock submission was hardly related to Brock's background.

[Tuffnutz]

Not long now until Kongo beats up Mir. :lol:

[Beebs]

There you go again Beebs. Mir is a good blackbelt. Compare him lb for lb with his peers; fighters who specialize in submissions, and he's a footnote.

He has as good of an offensive guard as any Heavyweight this side of Fedor.

[196osh]

He does tend to get beaten up in the guard. When he gets beaten up his subs tend to be less active.

So if Rogers hit him with those shots I could see Frank getting stunned and pummeled, on the way to a TKO.

[Koa]

He has as good of an offensive guard as any Heavyweight this side of Fedor.

Sticking up for your man.. What you say is true, and it says something about Mir, but it also says how lacking the heavyweight division is. After all, when we talk about heavy weight submission guys, we are talking Fedor, Nog, Mir and possibly Barnett? Heck, he's in the top five.. Must mean he's dynamic eh?

Where Fedor's guard can be argued against everyone's, in every weight class, Mir's cant. Everything Mir does well, Fedor is considerably better at, quicker at, and he is bonafide in his well roundedness, where Mir has shown he can stand in one fight.

After watching Vera faceroll Mir, are you so certain he would have such an easy time with Rogers? I'm fully aware that Vera and Rogers have completely different skill sets. But, had Mir been caught with those shots, that Fedor got caught with?

Fighters are measured in their wins AND losses right? No excuses for Nogs loss to Mor, so no excuses for Mir's loss to Vera... Heck, also reconsider Rogers, while he doesn't have really any very impressive wins, he really doesn't have any devaluing losses. He did better against Fedor than most. I think he did better against Fedor than Mir would have as well.

Lets not forget.. Don't let me accuse you of anything false.. But, I believe you may have been among the Couture lovers, who went along with rating him above Fedor when he came back and beat Sylvia after getting demolished by Liddell. Going along with the UFC crowd every time, is a little odd for someone who is technically, and overall far more knowledgeable than myself Beebs.. When I hear Mir open his mouth, I keep in mind his career as a fighter.. Only until very recently was he not lazy, and somewhat cocky.. He wins the belt and all of a sudden he got super cocky and thinks he's a better striker than Lesnar? :P Thinks he would have won that fight had it been a standup, after he spent the majority of his career on his back?

Frank Mir is a blackbelt, gets in the ring and deserves a level of respect for what he does.. But that granted, he's kicking shit up on the curb of a block he doesn't even belong on.

[Beebs]

Mir is totally overated.

Alway's has been.

There's a damn good chance that he'll get stopped vs Kongo anyway so fuck what he say's.

Funny how many people said Mir was either going to get KO'd standing or smashed "because everybody pounds him from guard and Kongo has viscious GnP".

Then he goes out and drops him with one punch and finishes it immediatly, but "everybody knew that would happen" :lol:

Anybody ready to repent for their sins?

[Vitor Belfort]

Fedor would beat mir then come back and beat lesnar. These fools talks too much crap. If they really want to fight fedor all they have to do is sign with strikeforce. Fedor could add another former ufc champ in his resume. :lol:

[Koa]

Fedor would beat mir then come back and beat lesnar. These fools talks too much crap. If they really want to fight fedor all they have to do is sign with strikeforce. Fedor could add another former ufc champ in his resume. :lol:



Its beef between organizations, Dana's style, the UFC's style is to talk shit, say they are better.. Strike force asks them to back their shit up, put money where their mouth is and have fighters go at it between the two org's, but Dana refuses because of financial reasons.

In the end, it's all about money. Dana can, and will talk shit about other fighters, and people will believe him.. So why bother setting up fights between the organizations? There is no need to.. Only thing Dana has in a situation like that is to lose money to another org. If he were a gambling man, and really believed the shit he talks, he would set up fights between the two orgs, and obliterate them in the ring, leaving absolutely no questions about who has the better fighters..

In reality, Dana knows Strikeforce has some dangerous guys, some of his fighters will lose, and that will ultimately create a bigger niche for Strikeforce.

[Nosbor]

Looks like Mir has been hanging out with Overeem.

Hint hint, Wink wink, Nudge nudge...

[liger05]

Fedor would beat mir then come back and beat lesnar. These fools talks too much crap. If they really want to fight fedor all they have to do is sign with strikeforce. Fedor could add another former ufc champ in his resume. :lol:

Exactly. The idea that Fedor the #1 fighter has to go looking for everyone else is laughable.

[Dynamite Kid]

Not long now until Kongo beats up Mir. :lol:

haha. prediction not to sharp eh:lol:

[Dynamite Kid]

Fedor would beat mir then come back and beat lesnar. These fools talks too much crap. If they really want to fight fedor all they have to do is sign with strikeforce. Fedor could add another former ufc champ in his resume. :lol:

That's a ridiculous statement to make. Considering "UFC" fighters feel the biggest fights are IN THE UFC. Nobody is gonna contradict themselves and leave like that. You should know that.

[Vitor Belfort]

Exactly. The idea that Fedor the #1 fighter has to go looking for everyone else is laughable.

exactly bro.. like pacman and mayweather. They don't go look for opponent, the opponents comes to them. It should be the same with fedor. If these ufc fighters really want to test themselves then go to strikeforce and test yourself against the best.

[Vitor Belfort]

That's a ridiculous statement to make. Considering "UFC" fighters feel the biggest fights are IN THE UFC. Nobody is gonna contradict themselves and leave like that. You should know that.

I know they ain't gonna leave ufc but if they really want to test themselves against the best then once their contract is over, come to strikeforce and fight the last emperor. So far those ex ufc stars ain't looking so good. Fedor only needed less than 5 minutes to put away 2 ex UFC Champs (arlovski-Sylvia)

[Dynamite Kid]

I know they ain't gonna leave ufc but if they really want to test themselves against the best then once their contract is over, come to strikeforce and fight the last emperor. So far those ex ufc stars ain't looking so good. Fedor only needed less than 5 minutes to put away 2 ex UFC Champs (arlovski-Sylvia)

That's a better statement. When they're contract is over.