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Luigi1985
09-26-2007, 08:40 AM
Who wins at 160 lbs and why?
McGrain
09-26-2007, 10:29 AM
Flowers. To big, to strong, I guess he would probably dominate the punching. No doubt Griffith can hit at MW, but probably not enough to see of Tiger.
Luigi1985
09-26-2007, 10:32 AM
Flowers. To big, to strong, I guess he would probably dominate the punching. No doubt Griffith can hit at MW, but probably not enough to see of Tiger.


But Flowers chin wasnīt the best, like you probably know. I think it would be a great fight...
McGrain
09-26-2007, 10:39 AM
But Flowers chin wasnīt the best, like you probably know. I think it would be a great fight...

Yeah, that's the thing, it wasn't great but I would figure Flowers to survive a Welter (he must have known every trick in the book). I agree that it would be a great fight, every round closely contested but Flowers winning most of them.

It should be said, though, that Griffith matched Dick Tiger in clinches. Maybe he could pull it out the hat.

Do you see Flowers visiting the canvas?

And as an aside, if Flowers had a granite chin, what would we have had?
McGrain
09-26-2007, 10:48 AM
Well, Griffith wasnīt just a Welter, heīs a Top5 at least Top10 Welter and imo the greatest fighter to switch between the divisions from 147 to 160.

Burley...:D

You make a fair point. And Griffith beat a great MW in Tiger, that's worth remembering.

Flowers beat Greb twice, which is good enough for me.

But he did drop a contested decision to Walker - so there's your precident for a Griffith win.
Luigi1985
09-26-2007, 10:54 AM
Yeah, that's the thing, it wasn't great but I would figure Flowers to survive a Welter (he must have known every trick in the book). I agree that it would be a great fight, every round closely contested but Flowers winning most of them.

It should be said, though, that Griffith matched Dick Tiger in clinches. Maybe he could pull it out the hat.

Do you see Flowers visiting the canvas?

And as an aside, if Flowers had a granite chin, what would we have had?


Flowers with an iron chin would have been almost unbeatable, because he could have gone more often in the infight. I donīt know if Emile would KD him, because for Tiger more problems were pressure fighters like Bogash who throw non stop punches from all angles. Griffith had a pretty good one-punch, but I donīt know if he would land a great shot where Flowerīs light goes out, the power was there of course...
McGrain
09-26-2007, 11:05 AM
Flowers with an iron chin would have been almost unbeatable, because he could have gone more often in the infight....

Yeah.

I've heard it said that Flowers was the guy who really broke the colour line, making it possible for his blacks to fight whites in the US, his conduct outside the ring being that of the "deacon" he was.

If it's true, he's not credited nearly enough.
Luigi1985
09-26-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah.

I've heard it said that Flowers was the guy who really broke the colour line, making it possible for his blacks to fight whites in the US, his conduct outside the ring being that of the "deacon" he was.

If it's true, he's not credited nearly enough.


Thatīs right, and it unfortunately also right that heīs getting too less credit for...