Calzaghe Vs. Kessler - What If???

[Maden]

If this fight is going to take place in Britain, as the latest rumors tell us, and Kessler goes on to win the fight. Would it then be fair to say that Kessler is a bigger champ than Calzaghe ever was? Having won against the top 2 guys at 168 (Rankingwise) and doing so in there own backyard. Plus being unified champion?

Or does Calzaghes long regime as champion and number 1 rank higher?

[Muskyrat]

big If

[Maden]

Not saying it is going to happen... But it is possible!

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe was shot.

[PH|LLA]

If this fight is going to take place in Britain, as the latest rumors tell us, and Kessler goes on to win the fight. Would it then be fair to say that Kessler is a bigger champ than Calzaghe ever was? Having won against the top 2 guys at 168 (Rankingwise) and doing so in there own backyard. Plus being unified champion?

Or does Calzaghes long regime as champion and number 1 rank higher?
Kessler still has alot to prove before surpassing JC's achievements. Beating him would not be enough. Longevity counts for alot.

Also, the manner in which he wins, if he wins, would go a long way into determining where he is relative to a prime JC.

[Decebal]

Calzaghe was shot.

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[Faetter_BR]

Damn China that's a distubing Avatar...

[dumdane]

big If

True. As big an "if" as those threads speculating about JC's status IF he beats Kessler.

[fightking12]

see what happens

[Faetter_BR]

see what happens

Yep - let's see the fight signed and fought before speculating into stuff like that...

[UndisputedUK]

If Calzaghe beats Kessler then he must be rated top three pound for pound at least.

1. Longest reigning world champion.

2. Has not lost.

3. High KO percentage.

4. Would have defeated two very highly rated other champions at his weight.

5. Would have held WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC and Ring belts in one division.

6. Very skilled champion, not a lucky puncher.

:happy

[tpuz]

Calzaghe was shot.Holy shit, where did he get shot at?? Did they catch the guy who did it? Terrible news.

[THN]

:kenny

[New Wind]

If Calzaghe beats Kessler then he must be rated top three pound for pound at least.

1. Longest reigning world champion.

2. Has not lost.

3. High KO percentage.

4. Would have defeated two very highly rated other champions at his weight.

5. Would have held WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC and Ring belts in one division.

6. Very skilled champion, not a lucky puncher.

:happy'

See, there is the whole trouble with rating JC p4p wise..
Numbers 4 and 5..

Would have, could have, should have..

[China_hand_Joe]

If Calzaghe beats Kessler then he must be rated top three pound for pound at least.

1. Longest reigning world champion.

2. Has not lost.

3. High KO percentage.

4. Would have defeated two very highly rated other champions at his weight.

5. Would have held WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC and Ring belts in one division.

6. Very skilled champion, not a lucky puncher.

:happyHe should be top 3 in any half reasonable persons list already. Beating Kessler will just further cement Joe's status as the best fighter of his generation.

[tpuz]

He should be top 3 in any half reasonable persons list already. Beating Kessler will just further cement Joe's status as the best fighter of his generation.Hey China, What kind of outfit was your avatar buddy wearing to get that farmers tan??

[Faetter_BR]

I wouldn't put him in top3 right now...

I have Mayweather, Pacquiao and Hatton in top3 - but I'll squezze him in on a top5 along with Taylor. But top5 p4p is also pretty impressive :)

A win over Kessler would proberbly push Pacquiao down and Calzaghe up. If Kessler wins He'll move up to around 5 (from his current position around 15-20)

[PeterNielsen70]

[What if, like I've been saying all along, that Kessler's style is even easier for Calzaghe to fight against than Lacy's was..? What if observations that Kessler's euro style isn't so dissimilar to Veit that Calzaghe will have no issues dominating him?]

Its ridiculous comparing Lacy’s wild swinging hooks with Kessler’s pin point accuracy, overall balance and fierce jab. But it’s correct though that Kessler also will be standing in front of JC most of the time during a fight (as Lacy did when he fought JC), but at this point the similarity end. Kessler will not be knocked tilting around all night. Instead Kessler’s boxing abilities will secure, that whenever JC gets a throw indoors - Kessler will trade it immediately! :bbb :yep

[PeterNielsen70]

I know that Lacy can pouch and has decent boxing abilities, being IBF-champ for some years. But beating Calzaghe takes something extra. Kessler has that I think – both the power, smartness and most important, timing. The fight odds will be 50-50 though. :deal

[satyriion]

Hey china, I never quite imagined your interpretation of the phrophet's phub image would be so amiable. How many deaththreats ? Any fatwa. Na you picked a respectful image of him. They could live with it. You are gutsy, Respect. You are the MAN.....

Watch out for those journalists and university people back in the uk, though. They may boycott ESB in the future..

[Smazz20]

If this fight is going to take place in Britain, as the latest rumors tell us, and Kessler goes on to win the fight. Would it then be fair to say that Kessler is a bigger champ than Calzaghe ever was? Having won against the top 2 guys at 168 (Rankingwise) and doing so in there own backyard. Plus being unified champion?

Or does Calzaghes long regime as champion and number 1 rank higher?


Not automatically no. He would have to build on his success. Most people here, seem very keen on a rematch between the two, if it's a close fight. So, if he was to beat Calzaghe by a clse margin and beat him again in Denmark, then he would be a top 5 p4p.

Afterwards he can take on the best two available at 168. Maybe Froch and Bute. If/when he beats them, he could move up to 175 to test the waters there.

[China_hand_Joe]

Hey china, I never quite imagined your interpretation of the phrophet's phub image would be so amiable. How many deaththreats ? Any fatwa. Na you picked a respectful image of him. They could live with it. You are gutsy, Respect. You are the MAN.....
I have recieved 3 death threats (2 serious, 1 tongue in cheek) for my Robin Reid avatar, if that is what you are talking about.

[satyriion]

Somehow I don't really care so much who wins. I just want it done. To long foreplay this time. Kessler is the logical pick. But I think he will be ignored by all american boxers, save RJJ and get as much letters in the press as he did in the uk pre calzaghe's suden change of mind and praise of Mikkels qualities. Then if he (BOX),beats RJJ, Pavlik, Taylor and Hopkins then maybe.

[satyriion]

Bullshit......you are kidding me ? Thats more than the jesusavatar ?
I bet old moe could beat it, even in here. Moe rules ESB..

[DanePugilist]

When Kessler beats Calzaghe it will not change much other than he has removed the ring champ - and has cemented himself as the best 168. He has solomnly taken out all the top competition. I can only imagine that Bute remains - and thereby the IBF belt, I reckon.

After Bute - Mundine deserves his rematch. Then he should move up and clean up that division as well.

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler and Joe's age have got me worried for the first time about the result of a Joe Calzaghe fight. I am managing about 2 hours sleep a night at the moment.

[Decebal]

Kessler and Joe's age have got me worried for the first time about the result of a Joe Calzaghe fight. I am managing about 2 hours sleep a night at the moment.

I noticed that...and got a little worried...especially when you started to compensate for the lack of sleep by prefering another avatar...

[Decebal]

When Kessler beats Calzaghe it will not change much other than he has removed the ring champ - and has cemented himself as the best 168. He has solomnly taken out all the top competition. I can only imagine that Bute remains - and thereby the IBF belt, I reckon.

After Bute - Mundine deserves his rematch. Then he should move up and clean up that division as well.

I could not have put it better myself...honest!:good

[Vantage_West]

Hey China, What kind of outfit was your avatar buddy wearing to get that farmers tan??...um he's black ,dude:good

[Vantage_West]

What if...


What if, like I've been saying all along, that Kessler's style is even easier for Calzaghe to fight against than Lacy's was..? What if observations that Kessler's euro style isn't so dissimilar to Veit that Calzaghe will have no issues dominating him?

Where will Kessler be ranked then? Will he be dropped off the radar like Lacy as an insignificant guy who never faced any challengers? (Despite that not being true)

Kesslers career may never recover, name me a fighter in their right mind that will face Kessler when he loses to Calzaghe.

well if (i say if i feel calzaghe has his number butstill if) kessler loses calzaghe will retire with the longest reaining champion. unbeaten beat the best super middles...possible the best super middlewieght ever.

and kessler will take his place as top dog

[Max Molyneux]

I wouldn't put him in top3 right now...

I have Mayweather, Pacquiao and Hatton in top3 - but I'll squezze him in on a top5 along with Taylor. But top5 p4p is also pretty impressive :)

A win over Kessler would proberbly push Pacquiao down and Calzaghe up. If Kessler wins He'll move up to around 5 (from his current position around 15-20)

Pacquiao beat a shot Morales and lost the first time, then chose average non elite Mexicans and lost to Marquez really. So how can be ahead of Calzaghe?

[DanePugilist]

I could not have put it better myself...honest!:goodThank you, mate.

I still forgot to mention that it went by the "what if". Then again, I believe he can do all that. The truth shall be revealed in the future:lol:

[Decebal]

Thank you, mate.

I still forgot to mention that it went by the "what if". Then again, I believe he can do all that. The truth shall be revealed in the future:lol:

We've got the old goat China Joe worried...:lol:

[DanePugilist]

I noticed that...and got a little worried...especially when you started to compensate for the lack of sleep by prefering another avatar...I think the subliminal avatar got the best of our dear China.

[DanePugilist]

Kessler and Joe's age have got me worried for the first time about the result of a Joe Calzaghe fight. I am managing about 2 hours sleep a night at the moment.Dont worry about age - I am 1 year older than Calzaghe - and I am smarter than I have ever been - however, I can't hit holes in butter at this point, I believe.

[Decebal]

I think the subliminal avatar got the best of our dear China.

:lol: yeah...but was the subliminal avatar the cause or the symptom of his uncertainty?

[DanePugilist]

We've got the old goat China Joe worried...:lol:Yeah... that state of mind is the best coming into a fight - the belly should be filled with butterflies.

[DanePugilist]

:lol: yeah...but was the subliminal avatar the cause or the symptom of his uncertainty?I think it was - What else could have decimated Joe's chances for China?

[China_hand_Joe]

There will always be a part of me expecting Joe Calzaghe to out jab Kessler. But Kessler is a seeminly invincible beast. Joe deserves a lot of credit if he can come out of this one with a win. I have Mikkel number 6 in my P4P ranking now, and feel bad having him that low even.

[Decebal]

Yeah... that state of mind is the best coming into a fight - the belly should be filled with butterflies.

Damn right! As long as it doesn't turn one into a nervous wreck in the process...I hope China Joe is tucked up in bed with his Joe Calzaghe teddy bear by now...;)

[Decebal]

There will always be a part of me expecting Joe Calzaghe to out jab Kessler.

China Joe!!! What are you doing up at this hour??:patsch

[El Bombasto]

If this fight is going to take place in Britain, as the latest rumors tell us, and Kessler goes on to win the fight. Would it then be fair to say that Kessler is a bigger champ than Calzaghe ever was? Having won against the top 2 guys at 168 (Rankingwise) and doing so in there own backyard. Plus being unified champion?

Or does Calzaghes long regime as champion and number 1 rank higher?

When Kessler banks 20+ title defenses he can make that claim

[DanePugilist]

When Kessler banks 20+ title defenses he can make that claimIts not how many you beat - its whom you beat.

Furthermore, JC has never beaten anyone of his own class - if Kessler does that, he has already done something JC never has.

[Decebal]

Its not how many you beat - its whom you beat.

Damn right! And there is a reason this should be mentioned in this case...:yep

[DanePugilist]

Damn right! And there is a reason this should be mentioned in this case...:yepIts always Quality>Quantity. In this or any case, imho.

[DanePugilist]

If Eubank wasn't quality, I don't know what is.

When he beats Kessler, you know what the irony will be? You fuckers will still say he hasn't fought anyone of any quality.What fuckers are you refering to? The ignorant boxing fans - the ones that thinks that a boxer is totally shit because he loses one fight? Are those the ones you are refering to?

There is a reason that this match is one of the most wanted matches in boxing.

Yes, Eubank was quality. I have never said totherwise - I disputed the fact that 20 defences on its own should be regarded highly regardless of quality.

[China_hand_Joe]

Its always Quality>Quantity. In this or any case, imho.Kessler is probably the most dominative fighter in the world right now, who else has lost so few rounds? In reality he may well be one of the top 3 fighters in the world right now. It is time to get that message out perhaps?

[DanePugilist]

Kessler is probably the most dominative fighter in the world right now, who else has lost so few rounds? In reality he may well be one of the top 3 fighters in the world right now. It is time to get that message out perhaps?And what better way than to remove Calzaghe as the reigning champ? A fighter that you and I find very unappreciated and underrated.

[Decebal]

Kessler is probably the most dominative fighter in the world right now, who else has lost so few rounds? In reality he may well be one of the top 3 fighters in the world right now. It is time to get that message out perhaps?

Your strategy of hyping MK is advantageous to you cause in every eventuality. If he beats JC...well, JC has been beaten by one of the very best. If JC beats him...JC has beaten one of the very best. It's WIN WIN. Only question is...does MK need the hype...and if he indeed does, cand he be hyped amongst those that don't have eyes to see?

[Rollo]

If Eubank wasn't quality, I don't know what is.

When he beats Kessler, you know what the irony will be? You fuckers will still say he hasn't fought anyone of any quality.


Unprepared, weight-drained and shot Eubank = quality!


Now, THAT`s boxing-knowledge!

[pipe wrenched]

Even if / or ever Calzaghe loses his first he still has 20 title defenses and would be ranking high.

[China_hand_Joe]

Your strategy of hyping MK is advantageous to you cause in every eventuality. If he beats JC...well, JC has been beaten by one of the very best. If JC beats him...JC has beaten one of the very best. It's WIN WIN. Only question is...does MK need the hype...and if he indeed does, cand he be hyped amongst those that don't have eyes to see?Of course it is advantagous, but it is totally justified. I'm sure people will see that just by looking at his stats a previous fights.

[DanePugilist]

Calzaghe has defeated nine (count them) former, present and future champions in his career to date.

In 40 fights, that means he's beaten a champion in every fourth fight he's ever had.

He cleared out SMW all except for Ottke - he cleared the youngblood (Lacy, Bika and soon to be Kessler)

American fighters seemingly stayed away from fighting him, as seen by the Hopkins negotiations in 2002.

The two fighters that actively targeted him (Lacy and Kessler) - he's now seemingly going to have fought.

I'm sorry but if you don't consider the opponents Joe has had to be of any real quality, you don't know boxing.

20 title defenses? You think he's fought nothing but bums in those 20 fights?

As for Kessler, easy to dominate score cards when 34 of your 39 fights were against no namers.I have never said that all those 20 defences didn't hold quality - just stated that just because its 20 defences doesn't necessary mean that the quality was there in all of them.

If you say they did, then I don't know what to do with you.

[Rollo]

Underprepared and weight drained Eubank? Did you see his physique on fight night? If that was under-prepared, then Oscar De La Hoya has never been prepared in his whole fucking career.

That's not boxing knowledge, that's boxing stickfuckery. Something you specialise in.


Ok then, go on believing that a shot Eubank was a big win for Calzaghe - but unfortunataly it will lead to fact that you´ll have to double your daily dose of antipsychotic medication when Kessler drills Joe a fine new asshole.

[tpuz]

...um he's black ,dude:goodNot you, I was talikng about the China hand dude

[satyriion]

Is china black....vooouuww....thats news.

[Faetter_BR]

Kessler and Joe's age have got me worried for the first time about the result of a Joe Calzaghe fight. I am managing about 2 hours sleep a night at the moment.

no wonder you want a september date then :D

[DanePugilist]

no wonder you want a september date then :D:lol::lol::lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

I want October in Denmark actually.

[DanePugilist]

I want October in Denmark actually.Why October? Just thats in the middle of what the two wants?

[Faetter_BR]

Calzaghe has defeated nine (count them) former, present and future champions in his career to date.

In 40 fights, that means he's beaten a champion in every fourth fight he's ever had.

He cleared out SMW all except for Ottke - he cleared the youngblood (Lacy, Bika and soon to be Kessler)

American fighters seemingly stayed away from fighting him, as seen by the Hopkins negotiations in 2002.

The two fighters that actively targeted him (Lacy and Kessler) - he's now seemingly going to have fought.

I'm sorry but if you don't consider the opponents Joe has had to be of any real quality, you don't know boxing.

20 title defenses? You think he's fought nothing but bums in those 20 fights?

As for Kessler, easy to dominate score cards when 34 of your 39 fights were against no namers.

Bika - young blood - yeah he is young but nothing but a good journeyman.

As for Kesler's opponents - by your very sientific standard Kessler has: 6 former or reigning worldchampions on his record - but then again in your book standards aren't the same when judging Kessler as when judging Calzaghe...

Calzaghe has had good opponents - he has fought most of the best out there and props for that. But he has also fought guys that didn't deserve even being in the same ring with him - Ashira, Bika and Manfredo being the latest.

[PeterNielsen70]

Sparring partners evaluate Kessler and Calzaghe!

From icwales.co.uk, Mar 24 2007
“The Mountain Ash fighter sparred with Kessler until his troublesome left elbow brought him home early - he is now booked for surgery in two weeks' time - and reckons the unbeaten Dane brings plenty to the table.
"He's really good," says Nathan. "He's a good technician, he can dig a bit and, although he doesn't look anything, he's very strong in the upper body."
King, who has sparred umpteen rounds with Calzaghe over the years, is in an ideal position to compare the world's two best 12-stoners.


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"Kessler is stronger than Joe, but Joe does more, throws more punches and has faster hands," he says.
"Kessler will make you work and if you miss he'll make you pay."
The 28-year-old double champion has also been sparring with someone else familiar to Calzaghe - Sakio Bika, the Aussie-African who caused him so many problems in Manchester last October. And Bika, who is booked for an IBF eliminator with Canada-based Romanian Lucian Bute in June, pulls no punches in his comparisons.
"Kessler is a level above Calzaghe," he insists. "Calzaghe actually can't hold a candle to Kessler. He is good, but he would never be able to win that fight."
Allowing for the fact that Bika's remarks were made for a Danish audience, he and King seem to agree that Mikkel is a serious rival to the Welshman's supremacy at super-middle.”

[Laydown]

Calzaghe has defeated nine (count them) former, present and future champions in his career to date.

In 40 fights, that means he's beaten a champion in every fourth fight he's ever had.

He cleared out SMW all except for Ottke - he cleared the youngblood (Lacy, Bika and soon to be Kessler)

American fighters seemingly stayed away from fighting him, as seen by the Hopkins negotiations in 2002.

The two fighters that actively targeted him (Lacy and Kessler) - he's now seemingly going to have fought.

I'm sorry but if you don't consider the opponents Joe has had to be of any real quality, you don't know boxing.

20 title defenses? You think he's fought nothing but bums in those 20 fights?

As for Kessler, easy to dominate score cards when 34 of your 39 fights were against no namers.

Nothing new here - you're still a liaer, bonehead

Calzaghe has only fought 7 former champions (but offcourse you're counting future champions as well - like Manfredos and similar). The first was Eubanks in october 1997 and the last one was Lacy. But maybe you have counted some EBU, WBO Asian Pacific, or a Paraguayan SM Title.

To compare with this Kessler has fought 6 former/present champions (WBC,WBA,IBF or WBO) and he has done that since nov 2002.

[Faetter_BR]

Underprepared and weight drained Eubank? Did you see his physique on fight night? If that was under-prepared, then Oscar De La Hoya has never been prepared in his whole fucking career.

That's not boxing knowledge, that's boxing stickfuckery. Something you specialise in.

Funny thing how Eubanks fought in weightclasses above SMW before and after the Clazaghefight - and lost twich to Carl Thompson (but I guess Calzaghe ruined him)

Another funny thing is that Calzaghe was favourite with the bookies, when Eubanks was so well prepared - But I guess they just realised his greatness even before you did...

Btw - the 9 champions and former champions - you do you count there? - I can't get it to more than:

Eubanks, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy - but I might very well have missed some (I'm tired as hell :()

[Laydown]

Funny thing how Eubanks fought in weightclasses above SMW before and after the Clazaghefight - and lost twich to Carl Thompson (but I guess Calzaghe ruined him)

Another funny thing is that Calzaghe was favourite with the bookies, when Eubanks was so well prepared - But I guess they just realised his greatness even before you did...

Btw - the 9 champions and former champions - you do you count there? - I can't get it to more than:

Eubanks, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy - but I might very well have missed some (I'm tired as hell :()

Veit - that's seven

[Faetter_BR]

Veit - that's seven

So we count Interim titles? - ok that's seven...

[Laydown]

So we count Interim titles? - ok that's seven...

No we don't - my mistake.

So it's 6 to 6 and Kessler has done the same since 2002 as Calzaghe has done since 1997.

[boxfan99]

Funny thing how Eubanks fought in weightclasses above SMW before and after the Clazaghefight - and lost twich to Carl Thompson (but I guess Calzaghe ruined him)

Another funny thing is that Calzaghe was favourite with the bookies, when Eubanks was so well prepared - But I guess they just realised his greatness even before you did...

Btw - the 9 champions and former champions - you do you count there? - I can't get it to more than:

Eubanks, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy - but I might very well have missed some (I'm tired as hell :()

Don't expect Blocky to give you the missing names.:lol: He will do as he always does when proven wrong namely ignore the thread and post his false claims somewhere else instead.:roll: Just like when he claimed Kessler had never earned over a million dollars for a fight. I don't think he has yet admitted to be wrong about that. It must be hard to be so deluded that you are incapable of admitting you can be wrong.:-(

[DanePugilist]

Don't expect Blocky to give you the missing names.:lol: He will do as he always does when proven wrong namely ignore the thread and post his false claims somewhere else instead.:roll: Just like when he claimed Kessler had never earned over a million dollars for a fight. I don't think he has yet admitted to be wrong about that. It must be hard to be so deluded that you are incapable of admitting you can be wrong.:-(Yeah that seems to be the everlasting case - and then you can start all over once again. Then again, its always kind of funny, and not frustrating at all:lol:.

I'd still hate to be in Blockys shoes, if Kessler wins though. He has got alot of explaining to do. I won't accept that JC was shot or the like.

[Laydown]

Yeah that seems to be the everlasting case - and then you can start all over once again. Then again, its always kind of funny, and not frustrating at all:lol:.
.

:lol: kind of funny....:rofl

[boxfan99]

Yeah that seems to be the everlasting case - and then you can start all over once again. Then again, its always kind of funny, and not frustrating at all:lol:.

I'd still hate to be in Blockys shoes, if Kessler wins though. He has got alot of explaining to do. I won't accept that JC was shot or the like.

Nope, Blocky has secured himself on that front. He has made bets about leaving the forum for good, and he has stated repeatedly that he won't admit he was wrong if Kessler should win, because he can't post on the forum anymore due to the lost bets (as if he couldn't make a final post, but I guess he is as small a person in defeat as he seems to be... well all the time.:roll: :lol: )

He has promised though, that he will write an article for eastsideboxing (again:roll:) following the fight, wherein he will give Kessler credit, if Kessler should win a fair victory. I seriously doubt Blocky will ever think Kessler won fairly though, even if Kessler KTFO Calzaghe I'm sure Blocky will have seen something wrong in Kesslers victory.:patsch

[Decebal]

Blocky, Blocky, Blocky...the poster everyones loves to hate...:-(

[boxfan99]

fortune teller now.??

He counts Inkins interim title, and then he must count Kessler as two, because he is double champion thereby making it 9.:lol:

[Decebal]

If he decides to leave, will we survive the loss of Blocky? Is he replaceable?

[Rollo]

If he decides to leave, will we survive the loss of Blocky? Is he replaceable?


No, he´s not replaceable - there´s only one Blocky! But I am afraid that I hit his soft spot last night by mentioning his addiction to antipsychotic medication(which is very possible), as it seemed he left the forum imediately. Anyway it worries me that I haven´t seen any posts of his today.

Oh well, if I were right he´ll recover and hopefully come back even stronger......:yep

[Rollo]

haha... My fans, my fans... a penny for my fans.

I'm on NZ time zone, fellas - not the same timezone as you guys.

If Kessler wins you won't get the "Oh, Calzaghe was shot" excuse from me - I actually despise nothing more in the world than people who banter this excuse about time and time again when their fighter loses.

Kessler, of course, I know can not beat Calzaghe, it's as safe a bet as you can make in boxing.




My kingdom for a horse! He´s back!

Now, read and understand:"And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true".......:hey

[Faetter_BR]

haha... My fans, my fans... a penny for my fans.

I'm on NZ time zone, fellas - not the same timezone as you guys.

If Kessler wins you won't get the "Oh, Calzaghe was shot" excuse from me - I actually despise nothing more in the world than people who banter this excuse about time and time again when their fighter loses.

Kessler, of course, I know can not beat Calzaghe, it's as safe a bet as you can make in boxing.

Yeah and we all know how safe boxing bets are...

But what about these nine champions?

[Decebal]

My kingdom for a horse! He´s back!

Now, read and understand:"And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true".......:hey

I am impressed, Rollo...I am adding you to my buddy list!:good

[boxfan99]

haha... My fans, my fans... a penny for my fans.

I'm on NZ time zone, fellas - not the same timezone as you guys.

If Kessler wins you won't get the "Oh, Calzaghe was shot" excuse from me - I actually despise nothing more in the world than people who banter this excuse about time and time again when their fighter loses.

Kessler, of course, I know can not beat Calzaghe, it's as safe a bet as you can make in boxing.

Does that mean, that if the unimaginable should happen and Kessler should beat Calzaghe, that you will give him credit and admit you were wrong about his chances on this forum before you leave?

[boxfan99]

You did notice I said

Nine former, present and future champions right?

Use your brain, I'm obviously predicting championship crowns for some of the guys he's already beat.

How does that work? Let's say Lacy becomes a champ once again, does he count as two then? Or do you think three of his opponents who haven't been champs yet will win a title in the future?

To be honest with you the only guy he has beat lately that could become champion (again) is Lacy, as I see it.

[Decebal]

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[deram]

eventhough he counts lazy as 2, he still needs one or 2 more.. :patsch

actually im thinking blockie has manfredo as a future titleist:lol:

If 4 are needed, I really cannot imagine who he could be thinking about.

The percentages for Calzaghe's opponents of picking up a belt is imo the following:

Lacy: 20% (10% for skill and doubled because he may be backed by HBO)
Bika: 15% (15% for skill alone, but will not get any favors - could possbily beat Berrio)
The rest: 1% (1% because nothing in life is 0 nor 100%, but noone else has any business even being in a championship fight).

I cannot imagine how there can be four future champs coming from Calzaghe's current past opponents.

[Laydown]

well i dont know wheteer blockie is counting it a double up, if lazy gets another belt.. shouldnt though, according to my way of thinking lazy is only on cal´s resume once.. then if lazy won a belt lost again, won again and lost again and won again he would have 100000000001 former, current and future champs on his resume

eubank, brewer, mitchell veit and lacy.. have i missed some one..?? blocka named 9 former, current ad future champs

surely there is not 2 or 3 fighters from his resume, who is going o win titles.. i cant think of anyone

you have bute in line for the ibf, joe hugging wbo, and kessler wbc/wba.. how the hell does blockhead figure that bika, manfredo or anyone on joes resume is going to take the championship from these guys.. stupidity!!!

Former and current champions:
Calzaghe has the following on his resume:
Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell and Lacy

Kessler has:
Thobela, green, Siaca, Mundine, Lucas and Beyer

[China_hand_Joe]

Kessler has:
Thobela, green, Siaca, Mundine, Lucas and BeyerThat list is even more amusing than Blocky's assumption Manfredo is a future champion.

[Faetter_BR]

That list is even more amusing than Blocky's assumption Manfredo is a future champion.

How come????

All six are former or reigning champions in one of the three major sanctioning bodies. They are npot of the same quality as Calzaghe granted - but that fair irreleval to this argument.

[deram]

That list is even more amusing than Blocky's assumption Manfredo is a future champion.

Yes, especially if it was not for the fact that Mundine alone would beat any of Calzaghe's still active former opponents. ;-)

That pretty much says it all.

[Faetter_BR]

You did notice I said

Nine former, present and future champions right?

Use your brain, I'm obviously predicting championship crowns for some of the guys he's already beat.

I did use my brain - that's why your arguments are so hard to understand...

Which three Calzaghe victims are future champions???

Bika is the only opponent that I even see getting another shot at a title - and when he does he will loose again.

[China_hand_Joe]

How come????

All six are former or reigning champions in one of the three major sanctioning bodies. They are npot of the same quality as Calzaghe granted - but that fair irreleval to this argument.You know exactly what I was getting at mate.

[China_hand_Joe]

Yes, especially if it was not for the fact that Mundine alone would beat any of Calzaghe's still active former opponents. ;-)

That pretty much says it all.Calzaghe's last 3 opponents Lacy, Bika maybe even Manfredo could beat him.

[Faetter_BR]

Calzaghe's last 3 opponents Lacy, Bika maybe even Manfredo could beat him.

Lacy might - but I doubt it. Bika/Manfredo doesn't stand a chance - sorry

[Faetter_BR]

You know exactly what I was getting at mate.

not really - no.

[China_hand_Joe]

Mundine has never held one of the big 4, Robin Reid was closer to that in 2003.

[Korn_06]

So when did Bika become the best Aussie SMW?? When he lost to Calzaghe or when he lost to Bute?

[New Wind]

Mundine is accepted fairandsquare asthe no. 3in the division.
To say that Bika and Manfredo would beat him must either be taking the piss or trying to boost JC's record.

[Decebal]

Mundine is accepted fairandsquare asthe no. 3in the division.
To say that Bika and Manfredo would beat him must either be taking the piss or trying to boost JC's record.

Why would China Joe want to do that?:think

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm pretty sure that you will all look back in a few years time and realise Mundine was in no way shape or form number 3 at SMW.

[China_hand_Joe]

So when did Bika become the best Aussie SMW?? When he lost to Calzaghe or when he lost to Bute?When he lost to Calzaghe.

[Smazz20]

I'm pretty sure that you will all look back in a few years time and realise Mundine was in no way shape or form number 3 at SMW.

At the moment he is. The likes of Froch, Bute, Inkin and Beyer don't have the records to put themselves at no.3. Mundine has put a couple of good wins on his resume such as Green (the no.5 at the time) and Soliman who went the distance with Winky. Mundine himself took Kessler the distance.

Bute's best in is Bika.

Froch's best win is Tatevoysan.

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[China_hand_Joe]

At the moment he is. The likes of Froch, Bute, Inkin and Beyer don't have the records to put themselves at no.3. Mundine has put a couple of good wins on his resume such as Green (the no.5 at the time) and Soliman who went the distance with Winky. Mundine himself took Kessler the distance.

Bute's best in is Bika.

Froch's best win is Tatevoysan.I'm a Calzaghe fan, I don't care about resumes.

I am 100% certain everyone will giggle at the credit Mundine is currently getting, too much is made of Soliman - Winky.

[Amsterdam]

I'm a Calzaghe fan, I don't care about resumes.

I am 100% certain everyone will giggle at the credit Mundine is currently getting, too much is made of Soliman - Winky.

Indeed so. Winky even had Soliman rocked badly in the last round, which I was surprised that I forgot in watching this bout again recently.

It's still a great win however.

[Korn_06]

I really dont rate Mundine very high at all. I dont think he is the "real" No. 3 at the moment. I think it is Bute at the moment. But No way Bika can be reckoned better than Mundine either.

[Faetter_BR]

Mundine has never held one of the big 4, Robin Reid was closer to that in 2003.

Mundine held the WBA-belt until he lost it to Siaca.

[China_hand_Joe]

That is harldy a real title with Sven WBA 'Super-middleweight super-champion' Ottke still around.

[Faetter_BR]

That is harldy a real title with Sven WBA 'Super-middleweight super-champion' Ottke still around.

Well Ottke retired - so that tecnicly made Mundine "real" champion.

[China_hand_Joe]

Robin Reid actually beat Ottke, and his only loss from there-on was against Jeff Lacy, who lost to Calzaghe. Calzaghe is the linear WBA champion.

[PeterNielsen70]

Robin Reid actually beat Ottke, and his only loss from there-on was against Jeff Lacy, who lost to Calzaghe. Calzaghe is the linear WBA champion.

Ottke retired with a perfect professional record – W34 (6 ko’s) L0, D0 – so when did Robin Reid beat him?

[China_hand_Joe]

Ottke retired with a perfect professional record – W34 (6 ko’s) L0, D0 – so when did Robin Reid beat him?He beat him on everyone but the judges' cards.

[PeterNielsen70]

Ohh ok – I’ve only watched a couple of Ottke’s fights. He was one of the most annoying fighters around, I think (meaning the most boring – but with a decent defence though!). It was also debatable whether he really won against the other Danish SMW Mads Larsen. But the scorecard finally said: 115-113, 115-113, 115-115.

[Faetter_BR]

Robin Reid actually beat Ottke, and his only loss from there-on was against Jeff Lacy, who lost to Calzaghe. Calzaghe is the linear WBA champion.

Well Reid is former WBC-champion - so you don't need to claim he beat Ottke to make him a champion :)

[boxfan99]

Lacy is still ahead of Mundine

A: Legitimate title reign
B: Beat some of the better contenders in the division
C: Only lost once, to the Champ of the division.

Anyone who doesn't have Lacy ahead of Mundine is fucking stupid

Nothing new there, everybody that don't agree with Blocky are either stupid, faggot, idiot, fuckwit, dumbfuck a.s.o.:lol:

I do agree with your point A and C though:scaredas: , but I still can't manage to see the incredible opposition Lacy has faced according to you. Considering where the different opponents were in their career when Lacy faced them, I'll actually have to say that his best scalp was Tsypko or perhaps Vanderpool.

[Faetter_BR]

Lacy is still ahead of Mundine

A: Legitimate title reign
B: Beat some of the better contenders in the division
C: Only lost once, to the Champ of the division.

Anyone who doesn't have Lacy ahead of Mundine is fucking stupid

I agree with you that Lacy is ahead when it comes to titles won and opponents beaten - no doubt!

But I still think Mundine will beat Lacy if they meet - Mundine has got exactly what it takes to beat Lacy - Speed. Lacy would have a good chance due to his punch and Mundine's not too good chin, but I don't think Lacy will catch him - but it could be a very interesting fight.