Could Sam Peter go another 12 rounds with Wlad?

[Sheikh]

In the first fight Peter took bombs for all 12 rounds... and he was only wobbled once. I thought if the 12th round was longer Vlad could have finished Sam off or at least gotten a KD... but it didnt happen.

So do u guys think he can last the distance with Vlad again?

Even Lamon Brewster who has one of the best chins in boxing could only go 6 rounds with Vlad

[Ambition_Def]

Waldo finishing Sam in the 12th is another great ESB fallacy. Sam had recovered in all of 5 seconds. He wobbled but got his bearings long before Waldo even got another jab off.

I think you need to consider who hit the deck 3 times in the first place. Waldo would be lucky to make 12 rounds again, let alone be enabled to clinch 96 tmes over 12 rounds.

[Executioner]

if Peter tries to box him like he did Toney than no, he may not see the 12th round.

[vonBanditos]

Waldo finishing Sam in the 12th is another great ESB fallacy. Sam had recovered in all of 5 seconds. He wobbled but got his bearings long before Waldo even got another jab off.

I think you need to consider who hit the deck 3 times in the first place. Waldo would be lucky to make 12 rounds again, let alone be enabled to clinch 96 tmes over 12 rounds.

It's a complete tossup for me. I feel that Peter has significantly improved, but I also feel that Wladimir fought afraid the first time around. When he did commit he did wobble Peter, even if it was brief. If he felt confident as a result of the first fight he might do better, though he's still so tentative these days.

I wouldn't know what to expect. That's why I love boxing and I'd love a rematch.

[Zerwas1]

If it's about beer, than jeah

[King Dan]

In a rematch, I'd go with Peter TKO9 Klit

[Ambition_Def]

It's a complete tossup for me. I feel that Peter has significantly improved, but I also feel that Wladimir fought afraid the first time around. When he did commit he did wobble Peter, even if it was brief. If he felt confident as a result of the first fight he might do better, though he's still so tentative these days.

I don't see Sam attacking Waldo the same way he did Toney. Waldo is a big target and so Sam doesn't have to pick his punches so much. He is also very open defensively if you can close the gap between him and you. I do however think Sam would go to the body more in a rematch.

Waldo on the other hand is going to do exactly what he did the first time, which is try to negate all offense inside. He won't let Sam get off because he knows it can end on one bomb.

I wouldn't know what to expect. That's why I love boxing and I'd love a rematch.

No mistake about it this is the top contest at heavyweight today. I think when these two first met up the ESPN board was absolutely hopping, and the gate sales for Waldo-Sam were pretty good as well.

With both holding a title and a rematch of a close first fight, this is a fight that sells itself.

[Sug3]

In a rematch, I'd go with Peter TKO9 KlitVitali can say he would fight peter,but then he would eventually fake a injury moments before the fight and wladimir know's peter has gotten better and peter's the last name he would talk about fighting.

[Sug3]

I don't see Sam attacking Waldo the same way he did Toney. Waldo is a big target and so Sam doesn't have to pick his punches so much. He is also very open defensively if you can close the gap between him and you. I do however think Sam would go to the body more in a rematch.

Waldo on the other hand is going to do exactly what he did the first time, which is try to negate all offense inside. He won't let Sam get off because he knows it can end on one bomb.



No mistake about it this is the top contest at heavyweight today. I think when these two first met up the ESPN board was absolutely hopping, and the gate sales for Waldo-Sam were pretty good as well.

With both holding a title and a rematch of a close first fight, this is a fight that sells itself.I'd pay for the ppv.

[LennoxGOAT]

Wlad would win easily.

Even if Wlad would get caught with "one bomb," he still would be able to recover as Peter's skills aren't good enough to finish. Wlad has never been beaten by "one bomb" so I don't see Peter starting something that has never happened after all of Wlad's fights.

[wrastla285]

Vitali can say he would fight peter,but then he would eventually fake a injury moments before the fight and wladimir know's peter has gotten better and peter's the last name he would talk about fighting.

had no clue beating an old shot james toney made you "better" or improved.

[Ambition_Def]

had no clue beating an old shot james toney made you "better" or improved.

It does when that old shot fighter has draws/victories with then reigning champions.:smoke

[Sug3]

had no clue beating an old shot james toney made you "better" or improved.I dont call a shot james toney giving rahman a good fight,outclassed ruiz and last time i looked he beat the brakes off of holyfield who is now fighting for a title shot.

[dragosuhail]

i recorded all of wlad's clinches and it came to about 61 :deal and the excess came in two rounds from memory. the other rounds were quite average or even below average for a heavyweight fight :deal

haters add an extra 30 or so just cause they are blinded by bias. :deal

also wladimir went down once from a punch. the other two were bullshit, especially in the replay when you can see they weren't legit. hell, even the one legit kd didn't really hurt him if you looked at how he went down and got back up. kinda like the off balance shot williamson hit him with. :deal

wladimir will only have more confidence in a rematch. like brewster in his rematch with wlad, sam will have LESS confidence in the rematch. brewster knew he got lucky last time... and peters knows he was lucky that wladimir crowded himself when he went in to ko or kd peters when he was hurt. in fact peters was momentarily hurt in the FIRST ROUND from a left hook, which saw him bobbing up and down like a yo-yo to avoid a follow up :deal

if peters tries to bring is lame newfound boxing skills to the rematch he will only get ko'ed. no one has a chance at wladimir's specialty. corrie sanders won by spontaneous flurry of action, which caught wladimir unprepared, while brewster and purrity won by doing a Homer Simpson. :deal

peters MIGHT be improved but beating up a nearly 40 year old obese roided middleweight with no power - after nearly losing the first contest! - does not bode well for him. wladimir has only gotten more comfortable and relaxed in the ring. wlad has improved WAY more than peters. :deal

wlad will kick your "Saviours" ass again and school him even more so. im even confident he'll ko peters next time round... provided peters can prove he belongs with the elite by beating another 40'ish heavy in maskaev :rofl

sorry but clutching for straws out of desperation will not allow you to think objectively :deal

[dragosuhail]

ambition def and sug3... come on.

so what if toney did okay for a middleweight against them? he was roided when he beat ruiz who isn't exactly a great champ. and rahman? he wasn't exactly a sharpshooter and in shape himself was he? sure build up tony's wins to in turn make peters look good but if you dont start looking at the reality on the ground, you'll just end up embarrassed in the local pub when your buddies say "so you are hardcore boxing fan huh? i thought peters was supposed to win the rematch?"

seriously, you might hate wladimir... oh sorry it's waldo :roll: but it makes you look silly when you constantly keep avoiding sound logic and going with your heart every time out.

[Irländsk]

I can't see Peter lasting past the 9th round I think Wlad will hurt him early, wear him down with heavy jabs a straight rights, then start with the leading left hooks when he has Peter's eyes well swollen, probably around rd. 7, then its just a matter of time before he drops him and I have a felling when Peter goes down he will have trouble picking himself up. Peter is a few classes below Wlad in skill and I can't even see him catching Klitschko with his wild rabbit punches in this one.

Wlad KO9

[Ambition_Def]

61? I suggest you get your eyes checked out. 96 I counted and at the time I didn't hate Waldo near as much as I do now.

Other people with a bit more objectivity towards Waldo had him at 91 or so.

So, that puts you in the neighborhood of Waldo apologist. Sorry! :hi:

[NBT]

Wlad will win even more easily, he fought extremely cautious in the first fight because he was at a turning point in his career, a make-or-break fight, now that Peter is found out and Wlad has regained his confidence over the last 2 years this will be a onesided beatdown.

[RUSKULL]

You guys are so full of shit. Ambition_Def, King Dan & Friends are fucking touching themselves. No way does Wlad fear that one dimensional lard ass. If the 2 meet again Wlad will KO him for sure.

[RUSKULL]

Vitali can say he would fight peter,but then he would eventually fake a injury moments before the fight and wladimir know's peter has gotten better and peter's the last name he would talk about fighting.

Yeah right. That's why everyone & their mother is calling out Peter for a shot at an undeserving lard-ass who happens to have gotten a blet without even fighting for it.

[RUSKULL]

It does when that old shot fighter has draws/victories with then reigning champions.:smoke

............and you forgot to mention how he won that fight against Ruiz while using steriods :yep

............and you also neglected to mention that Toney went on to almost lose against a tomato can level fighter named Batchelder. Never heard of Batchelder? Neither did I til he got robbed vs. a way over the hill Toney.

[Daruf]

Also since when was the first match close ? Sam won 2 rounds.

[Cruiser1]

Peter can take anything Wlad has to offer. He walked through his right hands all night and I'm sure he could do it again. I wouldn't recommend it for health reasons but I know he's capable of it. That was one of my favorite fights and I'll never forget how excited I was for weeks for it to start. I have not questioned Wlad's heart since. He was a man that night and u gotta give him credit. I think a rematch is a pick 'em fight but nobody can ever take that night away from Wladimir cuz he came through when he had to.

[Rumsfeld]

In my view, Peter and Wlad have both improved since they first fought. Not sure who would win should they do it again, but I see no reason why Peter couldn't once again last the full twelve.

[Dorfmeister]

Waldo finishing Sam in the 12th is another great ESB fallacy. Sam had recovered in all of 5 seconds. He wobbled but got his bearings long before Waldo even got another jab off.

I think you need to consider who hit the deck 3 times in the first place. Waldo would be lucky to make 12 rounds again, let alone be enabled to clinch 96 tmes over 12 rounds.

What is a total fallacy to me is the fact that rhetoric by itself can draw the opposite picture on past situations regardless of predicting future scenarios with the same players... It is often said that the eyes only see what they want to see, the ole problem of perception vs reality, and I think that reducing the whole fight to that 12th round great left hook is a striking example of that... Wlad boxed beautifully throughout the whole fight and his sense of timing enabled him to create situations like that in the 12th whereas Peter maybe has not evolved to match Klitschko's superior skill as yet... Wlad would be the betting favourite but that applies almost to any heavyweight other than Peter, problem is that Klitschko still gat to fight em and he can ( and I repeat can) lose to almost anyone at the same time...

[Cruiser1]

Wladimirs confidence and attack has improved greatly since that bout, while Peters improvements have been limited. He is still very easy to hit and his basic boxing skills and slow hands are nothing competitive against Wladimir. Wladimir got knocked down twice from rabbit punches and he still won the fight easily even fighting tentatively like he did.

Wladimir by KO round 11. It would just be a matter of hitting Peter with enough jabs and right Hands and left hooks. I have no doubt Wladimir would KO him in a rematch

It's pretty simple really. Once you go 12 rounds with a fighter as dangerous and imposing as Peter everything else seems easy. Wladimir probably chuckled to himself when Byrd and Brock landed their punches on him (if they landed any to begin with).

[brooklyn1550]

He could, but I wouldn't bet on it. I would pick a Wladimir Klitschko stoppage win the second time around.

[box03]

Peter could go 12th with Wlad but I feel it would serve him better to go right after Wlads weak chin early in the fight, Peter was able to hit and hurt Wlad in the first I cant see why he couldnt do it again. Peter hit Wlad behind the head when Wlads head was down and his head was turned away from Peter, they were pefectly legal punches and if they werent dont you think Peter would of at least got a warning.

[BoxingGuru]

Scam cheater would lose. And lose bad.

[cuchulain]

In the first fight Peter took bombs for all 12 rounds... and he was only wobbled once. I thought if the 12th round was longer Vlad could have finished Sam off or at least gotten a KD... but it didnt happen.

So do u guys think he can last the distance with Vlad again?

Even Lamon Brewster who has one of the best chins in boxing could only go 6 rounds with Vlad


Wlad was being overcautious due to earlier disasters (Brewster, Sanders). Manny told him emphatically to stick to his gameplan.

But for that, he would probably have followed up on that big wobbler shot and KO'd Peter.

He won 9 of 12 rounds and got the W.

[cuchulain]

I don't see Sam attacking Waldo the same way he did Toney. Waldo is a big target and so Sam doesn't have to pick his punches so much. He is also very open defensively if you can close the gap between him and you. I do however think Sam would go to the body more in a rematch.

Waldo on the other hand is going to do exactly what he did the first time, which is try to negate all offense inside. He won't let Sam get off because he knows it can end on one bomb.



No mistake about it this is the top contest at heavyweight today. I think when these two first met up the ESPN board was absolutely hopping, and the gate sales for Waldo-Sam were pretty good as well.

With both holding a title and a rematch of a close first fight, this is a fight that sells itself.


A point we can agree on is the NEED for a REMATCH.

[sues2nd]

Waldo finishing Sam in the 12th is another great ESB fallacy. Sam had recovered in all of 5 seconds. He wobbled but got his bearings long before Waldo even got another jab off.

I think you need to consider who hit the deck 3 times in the first place. Waldo would be lucky to make 12 rounds again, let alone be enabled to clinch 96 tmes over 12 rounds.

In all honesty...I think this is as close to the truth as your gonna get.

Peter CAN take a shot. Noone will dispute that here. Wlad cannot. He got dropped a few times in the first one...not the other way around.

If this fight goes deep (which by all acounts it would), Peter stands to have a great chance of stopping him.

THAT SAID. Wlad could, would and if it happens WILL, box circles around him, so the only way I see Peter winning is by KO....which, in any Wlad fight, is always a possibility.

[swedeone]

He wouldn't need to go 12. The fight would only go about 7 or 8 with Peter stopping Wlad. Trust me... it's coming soon.

[cuchulain]

I can't see Peter lasting past the 9th round I think Wlad will hurt him early, wear him down with heavy jabs a straight rights, then start with the leading left hooks when he has Peter's eyes well swollen, probably around rd. 7, then its just a matter of time before he drops him and I have a felling when Peter goes down he will have trouble picking himself up. Peter is a few classes below Wlad in skill and I can't even see him catching Klitschko with his wild rabbit punches in this one.

Wlad KO9


Moreover, Wlad is not the only dude who would stop Peter.

Nice guy, but quite overrated.

[cuchulain]

Lastly, Bitchko only fights once/twice a year. I highly doubt he will fight Peter because Peter is one of the guys who will KO Bitchko and Manny can't have that!!

Both Peter and Klitschko have fought FOUR times since they last met.

Peter has improved slightly, and Wlad has improved more.

Therefore, the net difference between the two of them has increased.

Peter might last 12 against Wlad a second time, but the evidence doesn't point to it.

[cuchulain]

Also since when was the first match close ? Sam won 2 rounds.

I think he might have won three, not certain though.

[Daruf]

I think he might have won three, not certain though.

I should rewatch it... weren't the 2 behind the head kd's in the same round ?
Ah well does not matter, 3 rounds still does not make a close match. And you could score those 9-9 rounds as Sam didnt do anything besides that.

[cuchulain]

I should rewatch it... weren't the 2 behind the head kd's in the same round ?
Ah well does not matter, 3 rounds still does not make a close match. And you could score those 9-9 rounds as Sam didnt do anything besides that.

You're right. There were two KD's in the fifth and one in the tenth.

Wlad won every other round.

My apologies.

[RUSKULL]

First off, there was a video on youtube pointing out every Bitchko Clinch/hold and it came out to be 91. So any number between 90-100 is probably spot on.

Second, Peter will bring the fight to Wlad and Manny's strategy is and will always be "When he comes inside, clinch." If Wlad fought Peter inside he would get destoryed.

Third, Peter is much improved since that fight more than Wlad. Wlad already had his "A" game when he fought Peter and all Peter did was improve, so I would lean towards Peter by Early KO. Plus Peter almost had the fight won in the 5th having sent Bitchko reeling twice and on his way to a third resulting in a TKO for Peter since the 3 knockdown rule was in effect.

Fourth, Toney has one of the best defenses regardless of weight. Plus Peter knocked Toney down for the first time in like what, 10 years? Peter managed to win both, even though I thought Toney won the first match.

Lastly, Bitchko only fights once/twice a year. I highly doubt he will fight Peter because Peter is one of the guys who will KO Bitchko and Manny can't have that!!

Wladimir already beat that fatass, let's wait til Peter has some belt so Wlad can take it off his hands.

[RUSKULL]

lol - i love how people love to reach but pretend they aren't...

you thought Vlad brought his 'A' game against Peter in that first bout? lol, sorry -- but Vlad has performed exponentionally better in his recent title defenses than he did in that Peter fight --- he was not throwing his straight right w/ power against Peter --- nor did he have his newly adaptive left hook working (the punch in which he knocked out ray austin with)

both peter and vlad have improved from that fight --- and wlad is a fool to fight peter inside - just as peter is a fool to allow wlad to have distance - where peter would get crushed.

at least be honest w/ your criticism.

Spot on. Wlad wobbled Peter with that same left hook that he crushed Austin with but I'm sure Wlad realized, that going for the KO so late in the fight when you're so far ahead on the cards, is hardly a smart move.

That's the reason these haters want Wlad to fight on the inside & not use the clinch, it's because they want to see him lose at all costs. When WK wins they all look like fools who don't know what the fuck they're talking about :yep

[RUSKULL]

He wouldn't need to go 12. The fight would only go about 7 or 8 with Peter stopping Wlad. Trust me... it's coming soon.

Oh please, you've obviously bought into the "Peter hype machine" that Duva, King & Gotchek or whatever his name is, are selling.

How many rounds did it take for Peter to KO Taurus Sykes :lol: ?

How about Yankme Diaz?

[swedeone]

Oh please, you've obviously bought into the "Peter hype machine" that Duva, King & Gotchek or whatever his name is, are selling.

How many rounds did it take for Peter to KO Taurus Sykes :lol: ?

How about Yankme Diaz?



No... I'm buying into the "Wlad has NO chin and hasn't fought a guy with a fuccin pulse in 2 years" machine. If Sam could knock Wlad down with 3 glancing blows, what'll happen when he actually lands a REAL power shot? :blood

I'll tell you what'll happen... lights out Wlad. Mark my words... it is coming. :hi:

[Stezzie]

No... I'm buying into the "Wlad has NO chin and hasn't fought a guy with a fuccin pulse in 2 years" machine. If Sam could knock Wlad down with 3 glancing blows, what'll happen when he actually lands a REAL power shot? :blood

I'll tell you what'll happen... lights out Wlad. Mark my words... it is coming. :hi:

Exactly...:good

[RUSKULL]

Yeah losers, keep patting each other on the back like that. It'll come in handy to start a support group early for "Posters who were wrong AGAIN about Wlad"

At least you'll have each other :smooch

[Fighting Weight]

I'll tell you what'll happen... lights out Wlad. Mark my words... it is coming. :hi:

Could never happen, WALDO has an iron jaw didn't you know? Also his defeats have all been erased from his record, and all previous knockdowns have been explained, his chin has never been a factor, apparently.

[swedeone]

Could never happen, WALDO has an iron jaw didn't you know? Also his defeats have all been erased from his record, and all previous knockdowns have been explained, his chin has never been a factor, apparently.


Of course... how could I be so silly? :rofl


Didn't he get laid out my some golfer/turned boxer a few years ago?

[RUSKULL]

No... I'm buying into the "Wlad has NO chin and hasn't fought a guy with a fuccin pulse in 2 years" machine. If Sam could knock Wlad down with 3 glancing blows, what'll happen when he actually lands a REAL power shot? :blood

I'll tell you what'll happen... lights out Wlad. Mark my words... it is coming. :hi:

Peter was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Byrd was coming off several big wins against much larger fighters than himself before being beaten badly & TKO'd for only the 2nd time in his career.

Brock was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Austin, I believe, was coming off a 5 year stretch in which he hadn't lost a single fight and he had a draw vs. Sultan who is the current WBO champion. Wladimir re-introduced Ray to losing by a viscious one armed TKO, he didn't even throw a right hand leading up to that point.

Brewster was supposed to be like Kryptonite to Wladimir because of his great chin, big heart & huge punch. Well Superman beat the fight outta that Kryptonite and made him quit.

What was your point again.......................:huh

[RUSKULL]

Of course... how could I be so silly? :rofl


Didn't he get laid out my some golfer/turned boxer a few years ago?

So we've resorted to "The retired Golfer" bullshit......................

Pathetic dude, I know you can do better than that :good Not much but you're making this too easy.

[Fighting Weight]

Of course... how could I be so silly? :rofl


Didn't he get laid out my some golfer/turned boxer a few years ago?

That one didn't count - it has been proven many times that WALD would have won that fight, but for the punishment he shipped.

[Fighting Weight]

Peter was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Byrd was coming off several big wins against much larger fighters than himself before being beaten badly & TKO'd for only the 2nd time in his career.

Brock was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Austin, I believe, was coming off a 5 year stretch in which he hadn't lost a single fight and he had a draw vs. Sultan who is the current WBO champion. Wladimir re-introduced Ray to losing by a viscious one armed TKO, he didn't even throw a right hand leading up to that point.

Brewster was supposed to be like Kryptonite to Wladimir because of his great chin, big heart & huge punch. Well Superman beat the fight outta that Kryptonite and made him quit.

What was your point again.......................:huh

Fancy trying to make Austin sound like a world-beater, that's pathetic even by the average Klit-ite standards :lol:

Like it or not, WALD is currently 1-1 with Brewster, and 0-1 with both Purrity and Sanders, what a champ :roll:

[swedeone]

Peter was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Byrd was coming off several big wins against much larger fighters than himself before being beaten badly & TKO'd for only the 2nd time in his career.

Brock was undefeated before he fought Wladimir, now he isn't anymore.

Austin, I believe, was coming off a 5 year stretch in which he hadn't lost a single fight and he had a draw vs. Sultan who is the current WBO champion. Wladimir re-introduced Ray to losing by a viscious one armed TKO, he didn't even throw a right hand leading up to that point.

Brewster was supposed to be like Kryptonite to Wladimir because of his great chin, big heart & huge punch. Well Superman beat the fight outta that Kryptonite and made him quit.

What was your point again.......................:huh


Everyone knows that Peter should have never been in the ring with Wlad the first time around and that he was WAY TOO GREEN. If you can't admit that then you aren't worthy to even discuss boxing, period. So Wlad beat a baby Peter by 3 points. Big fuccin-whoopidee-doo-da. Now that Wlad is in his prime and Sam has had a few more fights to season himself a bit more, they can go at it again in early 2008. If the referee doesn't allow Wlad to hold the whole damn fight, he IS going down. I guarantee Wlad kisses the canvas. Only difference this time is that it won't be from a glancing blow, it'll be from a pure power shot that he won't make ip up from.

I'll say it again... it's COMING folks. :hi:

[cuchulain]

No... I'm buying into the "Wlad has NO chin and hasn't fought a guy with a fuccin pulse in 2 years" machine.




Comparison of Wlad and Sam's opponents in the past two years:

Wlad

Lamon Brewster (33-3-0, 29 KOs) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd 6)

Ray Austin (24-3-4, 16 KOs) (KO rd 2)

Calvin Brock (29-0-0, 22 KOs) (KO rd7 )

Chris Byrd (39-2-1, 20 KO's) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd7 )

Samuel Peter (24-0-0, 21 KOs) UD 114-111

Rounds lost: 2


Sam


James Toney (69-5-3, 43 KOs) UD 118-110

James Toney (69-4-3, 43 KOs) Split decision

Julius Long (14-7-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 1)

Robert Hawkins (21-4-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 10)

Wladimir Klitschko (44-3-0) Lost UD 111-114

Rounds lost: approximately 16


Re: your post, need I say more?

[RUSKULL]

That one didn't count - it has been proven many times that WALD would have won that fight, but for the punishment he shipped.

The punishment he shipped? I don't get it. :huh

Anyway, although Wlad has losses on his record he has yet to ever be one & done or counted out. That says a lot for a guy who had very little defense early in his career. He still has the best offence in the HW game today. He has power in both hands, an amazingly accurate & hard jab, a tricky left hook with power and a killer right hand. I didn't say his chin was granite but it sure isn't glass or he would've been out cold from the very first knockdown by Sanders, never mind the 2nd or 3rd.

[Fighting Weight]

I thought WALD was supposed to be fighting Tua anyway, what happened to that?

[Fighting Weight]

Comparison of Wlad and Sam's opponents in the past two years:

Wlad

Lamon Brewster (33-3-0, 29 KOs) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd 6)

Ray Austin (24-3-4, 16 KOs) (KO rd 2)

Calvin Brock (29-0-0, 22 KOs) (KO rd7 )

Chris Byrd (39-2-1, 20 KO's) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd7 )

Samuel Peter (24-0-0, 21 KOs) UD 114-111

Rounds lost: 0


Sam


James Toney (69-5-3, 43 KOs) UD 118-110

James Toney (69-4-3, 43 KOs) Split decision

Julius Long (14-7-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 1)

Robert Hawkins (21-4-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 10)

Wladimir Klitschko (44-3-0) Lost UD 111-114

Rounds lost: approximately 16


Re: your post, need I say more?

If you think that WALD didn't lose any rounds in all those fights then no, you needn't say any more, you've pretty much said enough.

[RUSKULL]

Fancy trying to make Austin sound like a world-beater, that's pathetic even by the average Klit-ite standards :lol:

Like it or not, WALD is currently 1-1 with Brewster, and 0-1 with both Purrity and Sanders, what a champ :roll:

Rookie mistake vs. Purrity. He shot his load early trying to impress the hometeam fans and he paid for it.

Sanders proved you need to prepare properly and never take an opponent lightly. He didn't even spar vs. any lefties leading up to that fight and Sanders is very fast with the delivery of very straight accurate punches. His stamina is shit but how much did that matter in their bout?

Brewster got lucky that something was wrong with Wlad's blood sugar levels, and he still couldn't KO Wlad :lol: The rematch proved that was a fluke and Lamon had no answers whatsoever.

Besides, 3 losses and almost 50 wins is something to brag about.

[RUSKULL]

Everyone knows that Peter should have never been in the ring with Wlad the first time around and that he was WAY TOO GREEN. If you can't admit that then you aren't worthy to even discuss boxing, period. So Wlad beat a baby Peter by 3 points. Big fuccin-whoopidee-doo-da. Now that Wlad is in his prime and Sam has had a few more fights to season himself a bit more, they can go at it again in early 2008. If the referee doesn't allow Wlad to hold the whole damn fight, he IS going down. I guarantee Wlad kisses the canvas. Only difference this time is that it won't be from a glancing blow, it'll be from a pure power shot that he won't make ip up from.

I'll say it again... it's COMING folks. :hi:

I'll say it again, Wlad has yet to be out cold from any punches, let alone out cold from a single shot.

You're dreaming..................

[RUSKULL]

Comparison of Wlad and Sam's opponents in the past two years:

Wlad

Lamon Brewster (33-3-0, 29 KOs) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd 6)

Ray Austin (24-3-4, 16 KOs) (KO rd 2)

Calvin Brock (29-0-0, 22 KOs) (KO rd7 )

Chris Byrd (39-2-1, 20 KO's) WBO heavywt champion (KO rd7 )

Samuel Peter (24-0-0, 21 KOs) UD 114-111

Rounds lost: 0


Sam


James Toney (69-5-3, 43 KOs) UD 118-110

James Toney (69-4-3, 43 KOs) Split decision

Julius Long (14-7-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 1)

Robert Hawkins (21-4-0, 7 KOs) (KO rd 10)

Wladimir Klitschko (44-3-0) Lost UD 111-114

Rounds lost: approximately 16


Re: your post, need I say more?

The mighty Hawkins lasted 10 rounds yet these imbeciles think Peter will KO Klitschko early......................:lol:

[box03]

I'll say it again, Wlad has yet to be out cold from any punches, let alone out cold from a single shot.

You're dreaming.................. But you would agree that the first fight with Lamon Brewter would of went longer, brewster would of knocked him out correct?

[Fighting Weight]

Sanders proved you need to prepare properly and never take an opponent lightly. He didn't even spar vs. any lefties leading up to that fight and Sanders is very fast with the delivery of very straight accurate punches. His stamina is shit but how much did that matter in their bout?

Brewster got lucky that something was wrong with Wlad's blood sugar levels, and he still couldn't KO Wlad :lol: The rematch proved that was a fluke and Lamon had no answers whatsoever.


Sanders was a decent heavyweight in his prime, a fringe contender. He beat the snot out of WALD when he was at least 5 years past that prime, WALDS preparation for that fight is WALDS fault. Still, VITLAY avenged that one so alls well eh?

Still spouting the old blood sugar shit on the Brewster fight too eh? Keep doing it long enough and someone might believe it. Amazing that his blood sugar went to pot just after Brewster landed a big left hook :yep

[RUSKULL]

If you think that WALD didn't lose any rounds in all those fights then no, you needn't say any more, you've pretty much said enough.

Close enough.

He dropped 2 rounds to Peter & maybe 1 or 2 to Brock.

I'll give you 4 rounds & that's generous.

Byrd won 0 rounds in the rematch & Austin wasn't there long enough :yep

[Fighting Weight]

I'll say it again, Wlad has yet to be out cold from any punches, let alone out cold from a single shot.

You're dreaming..................

I never saw Frank Bruno out cold in his career either, but he didn't exactly have a good chin. WALD has the same problem, it doesn't take much to put him on queer st. He generally gets stopped to save him from the KO.

He was SAVED from being KO'd against Purrity, Sanders and Brewster. Just because the ref prevented this happening doesn't mean he has a good chin.

[RUSKULL]

But you would agree that the first fight with Lamon Brewter would of went longer, brewster would of knocked him out correct?

Maybe but if the 2nd were to continue Brewster may be dead. He was being beaten so badly he'd at least be mumbling like Bowe..............

Blood sugar levels are not a joke, people can die from having too much or too little regardless of whether they are diabetic or not. This is a fact. Check w/ your doctor.

[Fighting Weight]

Close enough.

He dropped 2 rounds to Peter & maybe 1 or 2 to Brock.

I'll give you 4 rounds & that's generous.

Byrd won 0 rounds in the rematch & Austin wasn't there long enough :yep

So you agree that to say he lost no rounds in those fights is bullshit then? That's all I was pointing out.

Still getting all excited about beating Austin too I see :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Fighting Weight]

Maybe but if the 2nd were to continue Brewster may be dead. He was being beaten so badly he'd at least be mumbling like Bowe..............

Blood sugar levels are not a joke, people can die from having too much or too little regardless of whether they are diabetic or not. This is a fact. Check w/ your doctor.

And if the first fight with Brewster continued then WALD may be dead, what's the point here?

Blood sugar, bullshit. He got tagged, simple as that. I can't believe people can sit and watch that fight and claim that the victory wasn't 100% genuine. Comes from loving the fighter and not the sport I guess.

[box03]

Maybe but if the 2nd were to continue Brewster may be dead. He was being beaten so badly he'd at least be mumbling like Bowe..............

Blood sugar levels are not a joke, people can die from having too much or too little regardless of whether they are diabetic or not. This is a fact. Check w/ your doctor. I agree Brewster was in trouble in the 2nd fight and Wlad was in trouble in first fight, I guess Brewster could of blamed losing because of his bad eye but didnt. Theres no room for excuses in boxing, Wlad should of dried his eyes and took his loss like a man instead of making up lame excuses why he lost.

[Fighting Weight]

I agree Brewster was in trouble in the 2nd fight and Wlad was in trouble in first fight, I guess Brewster could of blamed losing because of his bad eye but didnt. Theres no room for excuses in boxing, Wlad should of dried his eyes and take his loss like a man instead of making up lame excuses why he lost.

I don't actually blame the guy for making up that blood sugar bullshit, his career was on the line at that point. I do however blame his fans for failing to see through the bullshit :nut :nut :nut

[RUSKULL]

So you agree that to say he lost no rounds in those fights is bullshit then? That's all I was pointing out.

Still getting all excited about beating Austin too I see :rofl :rofl :rofl

Well another current beltholder named Sultan went the distance and only managed a draw, so yes, I'm impressed with that. Wlad KO'd him with one hand tied behind his back.................:lol: :deal

[RUSKULL]

Blood sugar, bullshit. He got tagged, simple as that. I can't believe people can sit and watch that fight and claim that the victory wasn't 100% genuine. Comes from loving the fighter and not the sport I guess.

Oh stop. Check with your doctor and see what the results of low or high blood sugar is on the human system.

Wlad was breathing heavy as early as the 2nd round according to Brewster himself.

Why would he be so tired after only 2 rounds when he'd fought many more against far better competition prior to that occasion?

Wlad's hands were both down near his waist when that left hook was thrown , he couldn't even keep his hands up.

Like I said, check w/ your doctor, he'll know better than you or I how to explain. I passed out from low blood sugar and had 1 or 2 times after that where I almost passed out. I'm not diabetic either, it just happens to some people sometimes.

[RUSKULL]

I don't actually blame the guy for making up that blood sugar bullshit, his career was on the line at that point. I do however blame his fans for failing to see through the bullshit :nut :nut :nut

The fact that Wlad's blood sugar was irregular after the fight is well documented. The fact that someone spiked his water bottle is in question, but I don't believe that. No one spiked my food or water & I couldn't even remain standing................I blacked out.

[Fighting Weight]

Wlad's hands were both down near his waist when that left hook was thrown , he couldn't even keep his hands up.


BULLSHIT.

I suggest you re-watch that fight. WALDS hands were up fine, Brewster threw 2 left jabs, a strong right and a left hook, and only then did WALDS hands go down, because he was out on his feet.

The blood sugar stuff was just horseshit to excuse the loss, that's all. If WALD was medically unfit to fight then he would have been pulled out - after all that's what the Klitschkos do best, surely? :deal

[cuchulain]

If you think that WALD didn't lose any rounds in all those fights then no, you needn't say any more, you've pretty much said enough.


My apologies fightingWeight,

Originally I only listed each guys last four fights (as Swedeone had specified TWO years back).

Later, I took the liberty of going back TWO years and TWO days (to include their fight with each other), but forgot to update Wlads rounds lost.

He did lose TWO rounds to Peter.

So the ammended total rounds lost for Wlad is 2.

Hope that clarifies.

[box03]

The fact that Wlad's blood sugar was irregular after the fight is well documented. The fact that someone spiked his water bottle is in question, but I don't believe that. No one spiked my food or water & I couldn't even remain standing................I blacked out. So I guess we should excuse Briggs for asthma everytime he fights or we should excuse Holyfield for fighting with a sore shoulder in the fights against Donald and Toney, or even excuse Brewster for having a still damaged eye when he fought Wlad the 2nd time. Every fighter can have an excuse when they lose if they wanted too, but at the end of the day you still got beat fairly.

[RUSKULL]

BULLSHIT.

I suggest you re-watch that fight. WALDS hands were up fine, Brewster threw 2 left jabs, a strong right and a left hook, and only then did WALDS hands go down, because he was out on his feet.

The blood sugar stuff was just horseshit to excuse the loss, that's all. If WALD was medically unfit to fight then he would have been pulled out - after all that's what the Klitschkos do best, surely? :deal

I suggest you rewatch the fight, I'll do the same, tomorrow. My work PC is much faster than this home POS which has little or no video capability :-(

From memory though, and I have seen the fight recently, I can tell you his hands were down at his waist & I probably could've landed a shot on him at that point. :bart

[Fighting Weight]

So I guess we should excuse Briggs for asthma everytime he fights or we should excuse Holyfield for fighting with a sore shoulder in the fights against Donald and Toney, or even excuse Brewster for having a still damaged eye when he fought Wlad the 2nd time. Every fighter can have an excuse when they lose if they wanted too, but at the end of the day you still got beat fairly.

It is the general rule of this forum that genuine excuses only apply to boxers with the surname 'Klitschko'. Be careful with your words or I'll have to report you to admin.

[RUSKULL]

So I guess we should excuse Briggs for asthma everytime he fights or we should excuse Holyfield for fighting with a sore shoulder in the fights against Donald and Toney, or even excuse Brewster for having a still damaged eye when he fought Wlad the 2nd time. Every fighter can have an excuse when they lose if they wanted too, but at the end of the day you still got beat fairly.

Fair point, but I never said he didn't lose or that the result wasn't FAIR. I don't blame Brewster for capitalizing on an easy target. I would've done the same thing, there's big future money on the line for Heaven's sake.

[Fighting Weight]

I suggest you rewatch the fight, I'll do the same, tomorrow. My work PC is much faster than this home POS which has little or no video capability :-(

From memory though, and I have seen the fight recently, I can tell you his hands were down at his waist & I probably could've landed a shot on him at that point. :bart

Watch it again - WALDS hands were up fine and Brewster threw 2 left jabs, a right hand and then a left hook (and WALDS right was up by his chin when that punch got through) and WALD got staggered across the ring, took more punishment. Even then WALD only had his hands by his waist when he was out of range, even though he was on queer st.

Come back tomorrow when you've watched it, and apologise.

[box03]

It is the general rule of this forum that genuine excuses only apply to boxers with the surname 'Klitschko'. Be careful with your words or I'll have to report you to admin. I know if you say anything bad about Wlad or Calzaghe you usually got at least 2 or 3 guys coming at you with posts, Wlad is a good fighter but he does have flaws that will be exposed in time wether RUSKULL or anyone else likes it.

[Fighting Weight]

there's big future money on the line for Heaven's sake.

WHICH IS WHY THE BLOOD SUGAR EXCUSE WAS USED!!!

Re-watch the fight. I'm telling you, WALD had his guard well and truly up when Brewster landed that punch.

I'll fully accept that WALD is the better boxer as he won most rounds in both their encounters, but this excuse making from the klit-ites just gives me the shits.

[RUSKULL]

It is the general rule of this forum that genuine excuses only apply to boxers with the surname 'Klitschko'. Be careful with your words or I'll have to report you to admin.

You see! You obviously think I don't count that fight as a Klitschko loss & a Brewster win! Dude, every Klitschko fan doesn't believe in little green men going around poisoning water bottles to change the outcome the a fight like Farmboxer does. He beilieves Bush bombed the World Trade Center!

Don't paint everyone with the same brush, it usually leads to racism. Like Hitler with the Jews, the Klan with the Blacks, or Farrakhan with the Whites. Get my point? It was also believed, here on ESB, that one could not be a fan of the Klitschkos & Lewis at the same time. That's BS & so is your point.

[Irländsk]

So basically no one here can give another reason why Peter will beat Wlad other than he lost to a golfer 4years ago and calling him Wald or Bitschko. Really informative posts. Actually it just comes across as blind hate for Wlad,if anyone has a good explanation as to how Peter, who was DOMINATED in his first fight with a very cautious Klitchko, going to come and outbox the most skilled and dominant Heavyweight out there who is fighting with the most confidence he ever has. Because if you think Peter is going to plod around and wing a few power shots every round and not get KTFO you are seriously mistaken.

[RUSKULL]

Watch it again - WALDS hands were up fine and Brewster threw 2 left jabs, a right hand and then a left hook (and WALDS right was up by his chin when that punch got through) and WALD got staggered across the ring, took more punishment. Even then WALD only had his hands by his waist when he was out of range, even though he was on queer st.

Come back tomorrow when you've watched it, and apologise.

:rofl Not likely! :deal :bart

[box03]

Fair point, but I never said he didn't lose or that the result wasn't FAIR. I don't blame Brewster for capitalizing on an easy target. I would've done the same thing, there's big future money on the line for Heaven's sake. I understand that but when Brewster lost to Wlad the 2nd time he didnt blame his eye or inactivity as the cause, he took the ass kicking like a man and didnt make excuses when he could of if he wanted to.

[RUSKULL]

So basically no one here can give another reason why Peter will beat Wlad other than he lost to a golfer 4years ago and calling him Wald or Bitschko. Really informative posts. Actually it just comes across as blind hate for Wlad,if anyone has a good explanation as to how Peter, who was DOMINATED in his first fight with a very cautious Klitchko, going to come and outbox the most skilled and dominant Heavyweight out there who is fighting with the most confidence he ever has. Because if you think Peter is going to plod around and wing a few power shots every round and not get KTFO you are seriously mistaken.

Exactly, which is why I pick Wladimir Klistchko to KO Peter in any rematch. I'll bet all my V-Cash that the fight doesn't go 12 rounds & Wladimir is the winner. :thumbsup

[RUSKULL]

I understand that but when Brewster lost to Wlad the 2nd time he didnt blame his eye or inactivity as the cause, he took the ass kicking like a man and didnt make excuses when he could of if he wanted to.

Which one reason why I respect him as a boxer and a person.

[Fighting Weight]

You see! You obviously think I don't count that fight as a Klitschko loss & a Brewster win! Dude, every Klitschko fan doesn't believe in little green men going around poisoning water bottles to change the outcome the a fight like Farmboxer does. He beilieves Bush bombed the World Trade Center!

Don't paint everyone with the same brush, it usually leads to racism. Like Hitler with the Jews, the Klan with the Blacks, or Farrakhan with the Whites. Get my point? It was also believed, here on ESB, that one could not be a fan of the Klitschkos & Lewis at the same time. That's BS & so is your point.

OK fair enough.

You re-watch the Brewster fight and then come back tomorrow and still tell me that WALD had his hands by his waist when Brewster landed that first big left hook, I dare you :yep

Also, there's nothing wrong with being a Lewis fan AND a Klitschko fan, as long as you acknowladge who the best fighter of the 3 is, and his name doesn't start with 'K' :deal Believe it or not I was once a huge fan of both the Klits, starting with VITLAY beating Hide, who I hated. Since I used this site and Lewis beat VITLAY my views on them have become somewhat tainted, due to the idiocy that surrounds both of them. Not the fighters fault (AS I'VE ALWAYS STATED) but it's made me an angry man :twisted:

[box03]

Exactly, which is why I pick Wladimir Klistchko to KO Peter in any rematch. I'll bet all my V-Cash that the fight doesn't go 12 rounds & Wladimir is the winner. :thumbsup Im not saying Peter will beat Wlad the 2nd time, but there will be times in the fight were Wlad will get hurt. We have already seen Peter not go down from Wlads best punches, we cant say the same for Wlad. If Peter wouldve smothered his punches when Wlad was hurt I honestly believe he couldve finished Wlad off, or the ref would of stepped in and sopped it.

[Fighting Weight]

So basically no one here can give another reason why Peter will beat Wlad other than he lost to a golfer 4years ago and calling him Wald or Bitschko. Really informative posts. Actually it just comes across as blind hate for Wlad,if anyone has a good explanation as to how Peter, who was DOMINATED in his first fight with a very cautious Klitchko, going to come and outbox the most skilled and dominant Heavyweight out there who is fighting with the most confidence he ever has. Because if you think Peter is going to plod around and wing a few power shots every round and not get KTFO you are seriously mistaken.

We'll see. IF WALD takes the rematch that is. WALD doesn't deal too well with left hookers, that much is fact. Of course WALD could beat PETERS again, I'm not disputing that. By the same token I'm not ruling out the possibility that PETERS could KO WALD, given a less lenient referee.

[box03]

Which one reason why I respect him as a boxer and a person. Im glad we agree on that, Brewster is my favorite fighter right now in the division. He has alot of heart and can take a good punch and give one as well, but deep down I know he dont have enough skill to compete with the best in the division.

[RUSKULL]

Im not saying Peter will beat Wlad the 2nd time, but there will be times in the fight were Wlad will get hurt. We have already seen Peter not go down from Wlads best punches, we cant say the same for Wlad. If Peter wouldve smothered his punches when Wlad was hurt I honestly believe he couldve finished Wlad off, or the ref would of stepped in and sopped it.

I think they've both improved, but Wlad was the better fighter to begin with & he's improved more so you do the math. :D

[Fighting Weight]

I think they've both improved, but Wlad was the better fighter to begin with & he's improved more so you do the math. :D

Better fighter yes...better chin, hell no.

Which is why the fight is going to be exciting, and don't tell me all you WALD fans won't be watching with your hearts in your mouths for 36 minutes, which is what makes it a worthwhile match.

[Irländsk]

We'll see. IF WALD takes the rematch that is. WALD doesn't deal too well with left hookers, that much is fact. Of course WALD could beat PETERS again, I'm not disputing that. By the same token I'm not ruling out the possibility that PETERS could KO WALD, given a less lenient referee.
Don't think a lenient referee will be necessary, as we saw with the second Brewster fight Wlad rarely held and I think that would also be the case in a rematch with PETERS, Wlad will be more agressive about stepping in with short left hooks when PETERS comes forward with his infamously wide attack, hence the reason it will end in a ko for Wlad. But of course PETERS has that chance to land a huge bomb and ends Wlads night on a bad note, but IMO it is a VERY slim chance.

[RUSKULL]

Im glad we agree on that, Brewster is my favorite fighter right now in the division. He has alot of heart and can take a good punch and give one as well, but deep down I know he dont have enough skill to compete with the best in the division.

Brewster makes up for his basic skills by having an awesome chin, great heart & a big punch. Unfortunately that recipe usually makes for a short career. I hope he comes back to weed out some of these pretenders and maybe gets another shot at a belt.

[Sheikh]

guys i was mainly interested in seeing if peter could go another 12 rounds... aka how good his chin was and discussing if vlads punching power has improved enough that could finish peter within 12

[RUSKULL]

Better fighter yes...better chin, hell no.

Which is why the fight is going to be exciting, and don't tell me all you WALD fans won't be watching with your hearts in your mouths for 36 minutes, which is what makes it a worthwhile match.

I always watch HW boxing from the edge of my seat because the fight can end with a single punch. And yes, Peter has a better chin than Wlad does, I'll give you that, but his skills aren't much better than average. he has some power but I believe it's largely overrated. Either that or his delivery is sooooo bad that he can't even KO journeyman without a bit of lucky timing. Taurus Sykes anyone? Hawkins?

[Toopretty]

When peter is able to take wlads best shot again. Wlad will have a panic attack again.. and hold for dear life.This time peter keeps his ass on the ground.

[brooklyn1550]

I always watch HW boxing from the edge of my seat because the fight can end with a single punch. And yes, Peter has a better chin than Wlad does, I'll give you that, but his skills aren't much better than average. he has some power but I believe it's largely overrated. Either that or his delivery is sooooo bad that he can't even KO journeyman without a bit of lucky timing. Taurus Sykes anyone? Hawkins?

I though Peter stopped Sykes?

Anyways, I think Wladimir stops Peter around 9-10 when his corner throws in the towel or the ref jumps in after he is taking too much punishment, possibly after being knocked down once or twice since I think Wladimir would have more confidence, control the distance early on, and start to sit down on his shots a little later.

[RUSKULL]

guys i was mainly interested in seeing if peter could go another 12 rounds... aka how good his chin was and discussing if vlads punching power has improved enough that could finish peter within 12

Fuck you, we're hijacking this thread!

No really, back on point I don't think Peter can last 12 rounds with the current version of Wladimir. It's not that his power has improved but because his confidence has. WK will commit much more often this time, & with full body weight & commitment behind his punches Sam has little chance of landing a lucky punch. He'd need more than one lucky punch to KO Wlad anyway and that's just not his style. :D

[fightingmajor]

Peter will win a rematch.

[RUSKULL]

I though Peter stopped Sykes?

Anyways, I think Wladimir stops Peter around 9-10 when his corner throws in the towel or the ref jumps in after he is taking too much punishment, possibly after being knocked down once or twice since I think Wladimir would have more confidence, control the distance early on, and start to sit down on his shots a little later.


He did but it wasn't impressive like the KO of Jeremy Williams, it was a TKO against a nobody with zero fights against anybody you've heard of.

[box03]

Brewster makes up for his basic skills by having an awesome chin, great heart & a big punch. Unfortunately that recipe usually makes for a short career. I hope he comes back to weed out some of these pretenders and maybe gets another shot at a belt. Thats keep our fingers crossed Brewster makes his return soon. While I agree Wlad is a better fighter with the addition of Manny in his corner, but I however disagree hes a harder puncher now than then. My prove is his fight with Mercer who has a great chin in his own right, Wlad in my opinion threw a little harder then and seemed to put more wieght behind his punches. I feel Manny has worked with Wlad to take something off his punches to conserve his energy in case the fight goes a little longer than expected, but with the addition of his improved hook and uppercut he has better arsenal now than before.

[RUSKULL]

Peter will win a rematch.

Bold prediction with no basis in fact. You're brave if not smart. :thumbsup

[RUSKULL]

Thats keep our fingers crossed Brewster makes his return soon. While I agree Wlad is a better fighter with the addition of Manny in his corner, but I however disagree hes a harder puncher now than then. My prove is his fight with Mercer who has a great chin in his own right, Wlad in my opinion threw a little harder then and seemed to put more wieght behind his punches. I feel Manny has worked with Wlad to take something off his punches to conserve his energy in case the fight goes a little longer than expected, but with the addition of his improved hook and uppercut he has better arsenal now than before.

That could be true but it's really all about the jab. Wlad has a great one & nobody in the HW's has anything to compete. That sets up all his power punches, he hooks off the jab & lands the big right hand after a good solid jab. He could use some more head movement to go with his improved footwork though, that would keep his opponents from landing anything significant in the first place.

[cuchulain]

OK fair enough.

You re-watch the Brewster fight and then come back tomorrow and still tell me that WALD had his hands by his waist when Brewster landed that first big left hook, I dare you :yep

Also, there's nothing wrong with being a Lewis fan AND a Klitschko fan, as long as you acknowladge who the best fighter of the 3 is, and his name doesn't start with 'K' :deal Believe it or not I was once a huge fan of both the Klits, starting with VITLAY beating Hide, who I hated. Since I used this site and Lewis beat VITLAY my views on them have become somewhat tainted, due to the idiocy that surrounds both of them. Not the fighters fault (AS I'VE ALWAYS STATED) but it's made me an angry man :twisted:

Like Ruskull, I am a fan of both Klitschkos and also a fan of Lewis. I have no doubts as to who was the best of the three. I have frequently defended Lennox (who is 1-1 with Rahman and McCall) on this forum and I rank him 3 or 4 alltime amongst heavywts.

Neither Klitschko makes my alltime top 10 list. It's unlikely that Vitali ever will and we will have to wait for Wlad's career to end to know where to place him.

Wlad was NOT poisioned and I never put much stock in the blood-sugar thing. I think he didn't pace himself properly and ran out of gas with Brewster, just as he did with Purity. In other words, he fought the wrong fight with Lamon, a siuation he remedied in the rematch. There's little doubt which is better overall.

(BTW, before Wlad-Lamon (2), the beef was that he hadn't avenged any of his three losses. After Wlad-Lamon (2), he was denigrated for fighting a shot Brewster. With thinking like that, the guy just couldn't win.)

And I've always considered Lennox's win over Vitali as a legit TKO on cuts, regardless of who was winning at the time.

(Had the fight continued, it's near certain that Lennox would have won, for the same reason the fight was stopped. i.e. the cuts.)

That said, a healthy Vitali from 2003-2004 and after the Lewis fight, was the best heavywt around and would have been favoured over anyone else at the time.

The current Wlad is, by a good margin, the best active heavywt. He could be stopped by any hard-hitting heavywt (Lewis/Rahman, Lewis/McCall, Briggs/Likyiavich) but he would be favoured over anyone fighting at the moment.

The overstated adulation the Klitschkos receive from some of the more wild-eyed on this forum doesn't mean that all Klitschko fans think the Klitchkos are gods, or even ATGs. However, there are just as many unwarranted, unfair (and just plain silly) knocks made against them, as there are idiotic pro-Klitschko remarks. Bias is rampant.

I would like to see some more realism and balance.

[Ambition_Def]

He did but it wasn't impressive like the KO of Jeremy Williams, it was a TKO against a nobody with zero fights against anybody you've heard of.

Wrong. You obviously didn't see the fight.

He caught Sykes and knocked the man out while he was still on his feet. The guy then ate 2 punches as he was crashing to the canvas. He woke up on the canvas. FACT.

[RUSKULL]

I agree with that post, Lewis is far more accomplished than either Klit but Wlad's story has yet to be written entirely.

[RUSKULL]

Wrong. You obviously didn't see the fight.

He caught Sykes and knocked the man out while he was still on his feet. The guy then ate 2 punches as he was crashing to the canvas. He woke up on the canvas. FACT.

I did see the fight but I guess I'll re-check my recollection.

For the record I suffered through my slow video PC and rewatched the first left hook landed by Lamon in the first fight Fightingweight, his hands were down before the punch was thrown and he half heartedly tried to raise them to block the shot. So, in other words, I was correct & you were wrong! In fact Wlad's actually leading with his head and breathing with his mouth wide open so you can see his mouthpiece prior to that left hook.

[cuchulain]

OK fair enough.

You re-watch the Brewster fight and then come back tomorrow and still tell me that WALD had his hands by his waist when Brewster landed that first big left hook, I dare you :yep

Also, there's nothing wrong with being a Lewis fan AND a Klitschko fan, as long as you acknowladge who the best fighter of the 3 is, and his name doesn't start with 'K' :deal Believe it or not I was once a huge fan of both the Klits, starting with VITLAY beating Hide, who I hated. Since I used this site and Lewis beat VITLAY my views on them have become somewhat tainted, due to the idiocy that surrounds both of them. Not the fighters fault (AS I'VE ALWAYS STATED) but it's made me an angry man :twisted:

The moments in the fight you were discussing are at this link:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[RUSKULL]

Got to go hang with my wife downstairs before I'm divorced! I'll check back at this thread tomorrow to see what you bitches have been saying about me behind my back!

Ambition_Def, I think I might be confusing Peter's fight with Diaz with his fight aginst Sykes. I def. saw it though, it was on ESPN I think.

[Mrvooh]

Vitali can say he would fight peter,but then he would eventually fake a injury moments before the fight and wladimir know's peter has gotten better and peter's the last name he would talk about fighting. You think Vitali is fakijng??
I know he Williams sisters are known for that in Tennis, but boxing has more injuries by far.

[box03]

That could be true but it's really all about the jab. Wlad has a great one & nobody in the HW's has anything to compete. That sets up all his power punches, he hooks off the jab & lands the big right hand after a good solid jab. He could use some more head movement to go with his improved footwork though, that would keep his opponents from landing anything significant in the first place. I watch alot of my tapes of Wlad frequently to pick up flaws and weaknesses, I even went as far as messaging Lamon Brewster on his MYSPACE page to give him some advice. After his 2nd fight with Brewster I realized it wont be an easy task to get inside on Wlad an unload, I feel a fighter with a strong chin and power can give Wlad trouble but still not sure if they could beat him.

[TheGoldenBoy#1]

I think people forget that Klitschko won about 35 and half out of 36 minutes in that fight. No way peter has improved that MUCH. Wlad has deffo improved and at the very least Wlad s defence has gotten better. If Peter was going to ko klitschko he d have done it first time around. Anybody who thinks otherwise casts boxing logic aside in favour of blind hatred of klitshcko :smoke

[Slothrop]

Waldo finishing Sam in the 12th is another great ESB fallacy. Sam had recovered in all of 5 seconds. He wobbled but got his bearings long before Waldo even got another jab off.

I think you need to consider who hit the deck 3 times in the first place. Waldo would be lucky to make 12 rounds again, let alone be enabled to clinch 96 tmes over 12 rounds.


Fuck that. Peter was on chicken legs after that sick left hook and would've been out of there had Wlad not stuck to his cautious strategy.

[box03]

Fuck that. Pete was on chicken legs after that sick left hook and would've been out of there had Wlad not stuck to his cautious strategy. And Peter would of knocked Wlad out when he had him hurt if he wouldve took a step back and not smothered his punches, thers alot of what ifs in that fight for both Wlad and Peter.

[RUSKULL]

I think people forget that Klitschko won about 35 and half out of 36 minutes in that fight. No way peter has improved that MUCH. Wlad has deffo improved and at the very least Wlad s defence has gotten better. If Peter was going to ko klitschko he d have done it first time around. Anybody who thinks otherwise casts boxing logic aside in favour of blind hatred of klitshcko :smoke

Exactly.