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Mandanda
12-01-2009, 06:27 PM
Alright Lads, Interview with one of the best p4p trainers in the sport today Naazim Richardson. I think a lot of what he says will spark good talking points so i thought i'd post it. I will break it into a maybe 3 parts of the most interesting parts as it's a big interview. Ring Interview From This Months Edition

What First Attracted You To Boxing??
I fought in the amatuers and,naturally,seeing boxing on tv. Everyone in German Town section of North Philly either played basketball or they boxed. I used to go to Wissahickon Boys Club, and they had everything there. I played basketball,boxed,football. I even played hockey. They didn't take us to the ice rink (laughs) we roller skated back then. The happy hollow wasn't to far from there and they had boxing there to.

Were you any good
I was a decent fighter. I was a worker. It's funny because as you grow to understand the sport more and more,you realize what the guys didn't teach you growing up. I got some training but it seemed odd to me that i knew more about what i needed to do then the guys who were supposed to be teaching me. The first time i got into the sport was when i was around eight,nine years old. I was wide open to a lot of things when i was that age. I went through a lot of things when i was that age,To,Like a number of juvenile institutions. By the time i reached my teens i got locked up for armed robbery. That took away everything. I got sent to an institution called New Castle in upstate Pennsylvania,Near Pittsburgh. My mother [Leah Richardson] who i just lost in October,Used to say to me i don't deserve the good kids i have. My father was around but he died when i was around 12. Yeah, I made some mistakes.

People who know you today might have a difficult time believing that??
I saw this one guy recently who saw Bernard and me in the corner together during a TV Fight. The guy wasn't surprised at all we were together. He was just surprised that we weren't cellmates together.I know what it took to get me here. People when they hear about my past,are surprised by my history and what i've gone through. People wear there history like a badge. I don't,but some do. It helps some guys knowing where they were. I suppose it's what makes Bernard very rare.

He wasn't proud of where he came from, But he didn't forget where he came from and didn't want to go back. When he came home there was some guys on the street making real money, and i mean real real money back then in the street game. They would of loved to have had someone like Bernard by their side watching there back, and would have paid him great money to do it. But he walked away. He saw something more and never lost focus of that. That's where me and Bernard have a lot in common. I never wanted to go back.

What inspired you to become a trainer???
You always have to respect the sport and the people who came before you. I was around a lot of guys who i learned from. Watching guys like Mr. Al Fennell,Mr.Bouie Fisher, Mr.Cheese,a trainer down the Champs Gym, but no one ever knew his name, we just knew him as Mr.Cheese (laughs). Guys like the late Mr.Sam Hickman, and Mr.Howard McCall,guys like that. They were real teachers. Mr. Stan Williams is another one.

I remember watching Mr.Williams bring along Nate Miller from the amatuers on up. That's where the real molding takes place. That's what drew me closer to boxing. Then there was old man Mr.Booker. Again,I never knew his first name. The old timers called him Mr.Booker and that's how we knew him. I would watch all these guys work with their fighters and i'd watch them like a sponge.

Is this what eventually led you to training fighters?
It did. I would see things that other people didn't see. You start looking more into things, and wish you were protected like this or like that. I could see strategies that could be worked out. That's what started it all. A cousin of mine named Jeff Gant was a fighter, and i used to help him all the time.

In fact he came from the same prison system with Bernard. He was one of the first guys i started working with who listened to me. I don't know why training athletes came so easily to me,but it did. I realized how i could help athletes. But i have to stress this, One thing i won't do is work with an athlete if i don't think i can help the guy. I won't step into the project if what i'm teaching doesn't fit that particular fighter, Where sometimes you see trainers do that.

When did you see it as a career?
When Bouie or Mr Williams told me to talk to this guy and that guy. If they had confidence in me to do that. Why not step up and do that myself? They gave me that kind of confidence and told me when i was doing a good job. They trusted me at the highest level. I gained there confidence and that brought out a confidence in myself. I talked to older trainers and learned from their perspective.

Was anyone more influential then the others?
Probably Bouie more then anyone else. I actually got to work close with Bouie. I always felt that Bouie taught me more about family then about boxing. It was like Bouie was like a teacher of life with how he saw things and how he related to people. Bouie had Sugar Ray Robinson in his heart. He adored Sugar Ray. He actually had a sash of Sugar Ray's.
I used to tease Bouie that Sugar Ray never fought my man , Charley Burley (laughs). He's shake his head and give me a look (laughs). You could never say anything negative about Sugar Ray to Bouie.

What did you learn from Bouie?

He is a great man. I learned from his demeanor. My demeanor is so much different then his. I'll get in your face. Bouie was much more laid back then i am. He taught me to be patient and look at the wider range, to see things maybe other people can't see.

That's all for Part One :lol: :good

LHL
12-01-2009, 06:57 PM
Thanks for that Mandanda. looking forward to the rest :D

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Excuse the pun, but it seems your keen eye thrust you into the eye of two of the biggest controversies of the century?

Yea,funny how that works (laughs). I look at both incidents as part of doing my job. I don't see it as anything big or that i was out to make history. But when the Trinidad thing happened, my family called and asked me why they were interviewing other people about the hand wraps while i was the only one in Trinidad's locker room and saw what happened. I'm part of team Hopkins. I'm not about taking credit for anything. I just saw it as doing my job. What happened in both the Trinidad and Margarito cases might just come from raising my kids and nephews, watching every little thing, from seeing the way guys have taped their hands. But we were right there, certainly a bigger part of history than the Trinidad fight.

In What Way?
We were in Manhattan when the terrorists struck on 9/11. It's something you can never forget. Rock and Tiger had a mourning run that day and Rock comes in and says they're filming a movie down the street, because that's what it looked like to us watching from the hotel window. We saw people on the roof looking at the smoke coming from the plane that hit the first tower. We didn't know what was going on yet. We went out on the street and there was a state of confusion, because people didn't really believe what they were seeing. Then i saw the second plane hit the second tower. That was it.

I ran up to the hotel room, we put on the tv to find out what was happening and the phone rang. By this time. Bouie's son James, called me and said ''man do you see what's going on, were getting out of here!!''

Of course Bernard says, ''Lets go train in the Bronx, they won't bomb the Bronx.'' By then we knew everything that was going on, and Bernard thought they weren't going to bomb the hood. Bernard trained that day. We were able to get to the Bronx. The strange thing was, we were training not to far from the Twin Towers. We could of have been down there. If terrorists struck later in the afternoon we would have been down there.

Did you think the fight would get cancelled?
We thought the fight was going to be cancelled from the original date, but we didn't know it would come back that fast (on September 29) When we came back to train for the postponed date, they let us go back to that same gym near the twin towers, Down there, you look around and think about the lives that were lost and it was just crazy. I think it says a lot about the kind of focus Bernard has. We had a ton of distractions around us.

I'll never forget te last day i was working pads with Bernard and i was thrilled he was getting the chance to perform. I was cheating (laughs) trying to hit him with things. I couldn't touch him. If i were a betting man, I wouldn't have ever though Trinidad would go that far into the fight. Bernard was in the zone, and the strange thing is, you get so locked in , you lose your focus, The fight become like a glorified sparring session. We knew the power Trinidad had. And you waited and waited each round to see if Trinidad, who was explosive, was going to get something in. Swim without gettting wet. Swin without getting hit. That is hit and not get hit. By the 12th round, Bernard was sitting in the corner and he asked me what round was it and i told him the 12 th. I'll never forget when he turned and said to me ''I'm going to knock him out'' he knew.

But it almost never happened because of you, right?
Yeah (laughs rolls eyes) Because of me (laughs). I was the one who wanted to see Trinidad's hands wrapped. I knew what the rules were and i wanted them followed. To me, Trinidads situation was much, much different then Margarito's situation. What Trinidad did was actually legal in some places. It just wasn't legal in New York. I had the rule book with me right there in my hand.

What Happened in Trinidad's Locker Room?
When i came into the room, I think it was the left hand was already wrapped. I asked for the bylaws about hand wraps before the fight. I didn't see the hand get wrapped. Someone from Hopkins camp had to be there to witness the hands being wrapped. I spoke to a commissioner about it. He said that he was there to watch his hand get wrapped.

Then i asked him ''do you work for the Hopkins camp?'' I think i asked him twice. He said no, so i told the commissioner i wanted to see Trinidad get his hands wrapped again-both of them.

Before you know it, Papa Trinidad flipped out and went off, and people in the room started threatening me. They said i was scared. I told them i don't have to fight Trinidad tonight, What do i have to be scared about? They were telling me Bernard was going to get knocked out . I did'nt want to budge from what i knew was right. If something happened to Bernard and something came out later about Trinidad's hand wraps, I would have blamed myself. It would have been because i didn't do my job.

How Crazy Did it get???
Real Crazy. The Trinidad people brought the HBO people and the Trinidad people were yelling that the fight was off. Then they went over and the got Donald Trump to come into Trinidads locker room. Was i supposed to be impressed by Donald Trump and roll over?? i didn't even acknowledge him. Then they called for Don King to come in. Don King came back yelling what does he have to do with the hand wraps. It was all going crazy. I remember the Trinidad people went over got Bouie, because i was causing such a ruckus. The Trinidad people pulled Bouie aside and brought him into a little room. They tried to talk him into getting the fight moving and how i was holding up a multi million dollar fight.

I was supposed to to look at Donald Trump and Don King and be over whelmed. They thought i was going to fold. They called Bouie in and tried sway him and that didn't work. Bouie told me not to argue with them, Just see what i had to see. I wasn't budging on what i knew was right. I had bylaws with me and right there in my hands, pointing to them what was right in the rulebook.

I had to see the hands get wrapped!!
Finally the commission said that i was right. The thing that got me was Trinidad's pop said the fight was off, and the joint went crazy . None of that impressed me. Trinidad had to rewrap them in front of me. Papa Trinidad unwrapped the left hand and started re wrapping the left hand.

What did you see?
I noticed that Papa Trinidad was layering to much tape and gauze on Tito's hand, and that wasn't allowed. It was amazing. The commission was there watching and no one said anything. Papa Trinidad said everytime they fought at Madison Square Garden,That's the way he wrapped his hands. I told him ''not against my guy''

The athletic commission told him the proper way to wrap his hand. Watching another fighter get his hands wrapped, which normally takes 10, maybe 15 minutes, took an hour to get resolved. I wasn't budging my stance. That's because i was right, backed by fact. I had something to say. There were no doubts whatsoever.There's nothing i would change from that night. I can smile, Because i like being in position to protect my guy. The rest is history.

Think about this: no one before stopped or since stopped William Joppy the way Trinidad did to him. I don't know and i can't say if Trinidad wrapped his hands a certain way or not in any previous fights. All i can say is what i saw that night with Bernard, I watched Bernard beat Joppy to death, but no one put him down like Trinidad did. That's all i can say.

Next Part...Margarito and what Margo had waiting for Sugar Shane :good

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 08:48 PM
Thanks for that Mandanda. looking forward to the rest :D
:good Thanks LHL Enjoy :lol:

LHL
12-01-2009, 08:59 PM
I'll read the rest tomorrow. Was that you doing the interview? or did you find this?

:rofl getting Donald Trump in wtf is he going to do

StWerburghs
12-01-2009, 09:00 PM
Cool...ring interview.

It was mentioned in the interview that he did nothing to help Mosley in the Margo fight even with the hand wrap incident.
I dont think hes that type of trainer...hes trains Mosley, and Hopkins...and in the Ring prior to this edition he was described as working with Hopkins...by picking opponents apart with strategy.
Something Roger mayweather describes as nonsense...well when floyds skills diminsh you will realise why Nard lasted so long at the top.

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 09:02 PM
I'll read the rest tomorrow. Was that you doing the interview? or did you find this?

:rofl getting Donald Trump in wtf is he going to do
:lol: Nah it's This month Ring Edition. Best part of it was this. :good

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 09:10 PM
Cool...ring interview.

It was mentioned in the interview that he did nothing to help Mosley in the Margo fight even with the hand wrap incident.
I dont think hes that type of trainer...hes trains Mosley, and Hopkins...and in the Ring prior to this edition he was described as working with Hopkins...by picking opponents apart with strategy.
Something Roger mayweather describes as nonsense...well when floyds skills diminsh you will realise why Nard lasted so long at the top.
Very True it's ok saying to adapt and do your own thing but fighters with Floyd ability only come along so often. Naazim doesn't have fighters that can do what Floyd does. So he adapts as a trainer and works to what he can do. All trainers have a philosophy i just think Rogers one can be rather lazy if he thinks all fighters can do that. It's like Jimmy Tibbs telling Kevin Mitchell on Saturday go out there see what Prescott's got and we adapt. He get KTFO if he did that as he hasn't got the skills Floyd has.

LHL
12-01-2009, 09:11 PM
:lol: Nah it's This month Ring Edition. Best part of it was this. :good

Was wondering :lol: Was thinking fuck i didn't know he was an interviewer and how the hell did he get Naazim :patsch:lol:

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Was wondering :lol: Was thinking fuck i didn't know he was an interviewer and how the hell did he get Naazim :patsch:lol:
:lol: I can always dream mate :good

To be honest if i ever went to interview a trainer it have to be him. He seems to have a great knowledge and also the handwraps stories would be a treat and plus i think there's a lot more to tell about Bernard. One of the best trainers right now for sure :bbb

LHL
12-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Just from this interview Naazim comes off as a guy you could listen to all day. I'm sure he has some great stories working with the men he did. I reckon he could talk you to death about bernard but you would enjoy every second of it. Glad he is getting more attention now a year or two ago im sure hardly anyone on here knew of him and now most can't get enough.

Mandanda
12-01-2009, 09:26 PM
So True. I'm gonna have to keep a look out for Rock Allen his son. See if Naaz develops fighters technically as well as tactically.

Mr. V.I.P.
12-01-2009, 10:18 PM
This was in last months ring magazine.

Mandanda
12-02-2009, 08:33 AM
This was in last months ring magazine.
ummm yes and it says in my first post. some people may not of bought it so i thought i post it.

LP_1985
12-02-2009, 01:20 PM
wat bout the margacheato bit

Mandanda
12-02-2009, 05:07 PM
wat bout the margacheato bit
Sorry Mate..here it is :good

How was Trinidad Different from Margarito's situation?
Trinidad was an abraision against the rules. Margarito downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you're playing chess and have your men lined up differently, as opposed to having extra men on the board. Margarito tried bring extra men. He had an actual square block of plaster in his knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrapped two three times down the wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

We went back and forth about that. Margarito's coach said that he expected this out of me because of the Trinidad thing, I guess (laughs). The original argument was about the tape being directly on the skin, where it supposed to be gauze. They went and got one of the commissioners, and they got the tape off and asked Margarito's people start wrapping Margarito's hand again. Margarito had the left hand done. I saw that, but i noticed this pad on the table next to Margarito and when i picked it up to check it out, I noticed it was kind of hard.

When i handed the knuckle pad over to the chief commissioner, a block fell out. I couldn't believe it. I picked up the block. That's when i i wanted to approve the other hand. They had to take the wraps off the left hand and a block falls out of the padding to. I was sitting with there with these two blocks in my hands. The commission wanted them, and i said no way. I told them i wasn't going to give them to anyone but Shane Mosley's lawyer. I put the blocks in a box and handed them to Judd Burstein.

:good For more go and buy this month's edition of Ring Magazine and it has a lot more in depth about Naazim Richardson the man and the trainer.

LP_1985
12-02-2009, 06:28 PM
Sorry Mate..here it is :good

How was Trinidad Different from Margarito's situation?
Trinidad was an abraision against the rules. Margarito downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you're playing chess and have your men lined up differently, as opposed to having extra men on the board. Margarito tried bring extra men. He had an actual square block of plaster in his knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrapped two three times down the wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

We went back and forth about that. Margarito's coach said that he expected this out of me because of the Trinidad thing, I guess (laughs). The original argument was about the tape being directly on the skin, where it supposed to be gauze. They went and got one of the commissioners, and they got the tape off and asked Margarito's people start wrapping Margarito's hand again. Margarito had the left hand done. I saw that, but i noticed this pad on the table next to Margarito and when i picked it up to check it out, I noticed it was kind of hard.

When i handed the knuckle pad over to the chief commissioner, a block fell out. I couldn't believe it. I picked up the block. That's when i i wanted to approve the other hand. They had to take the wraps off the left hand and a block falls out of the padding to. I was sitting with there with these two blocks in my hands. The commission wanted them, and i said no way. I told them i wasn't going to give them to anyone but Shane Mosley's lawyer. I put the blocks in a box and handed them to Judd Burstein.

:good For more go and buy this month's edition of Ring Magazine and it has a lot more in depth about Naazim Richardson the man and the trainer.

sound mate gona try get it but gota drive 20 mins and hope it aint sold out.

think margo lost his heart when he lost his wraps

great read:good