Emmanuel Stewart's Predictions

[jdanders]

I was watching Hearns-Barkley the other night from 1988. Emmanuel Steward predicted Hearns by KO in the early rounds. Of course, it was Hearns who was KO'd in the third.

Last week, Stewart predicted Taylor to KO Pavlik in the first six rounds. Now he's saying in less than 3. I get the impression he's making such statements more to boost Taylor's confidence than anything else.

Can anyone recall any other Stewart predictions (regarding his fighters) in the past, and whether or not his predictions were accurate?

[DanePugilist]

Yes, its one of his jobs to boost his fighters confidence to some degree. Making his fighter delusional isn't.

Just because he is a world class trainer, doesn't mean that he can't predict a fight wrong. He has to believe that what he is doing works. If it does, is up to Taylor and Pavlik on fight night.

[tays001]

great thread never knew this

[tays001]

Yea...Lewis would destroy Tyson and we laughed and then we cried

this is very true but it took him 8 over an old tyson

[younghov2k4]

this is very true but it took him 8 over an old tyson

that is true also but that fight was pretty much over by the third.

[jdanders]

"Yea...Lewis would destroy Tyson and we laughed and then we cried"

Can't believe I forgot that one. I, for one, didn't laugh at that prediction nor cry after it happened. I thought Tyson had worn out his welcome long before that fight.

[jdanders]

Just read this on maxboxing:

"Why are Emanuel Steward and Jermain Taylor going out of their way to call Kelly Pavlik an “ordinary” opponent? Normally, you don’t do something like that, because if Taylor wins, this diminishes the credit he’ll get for winning, and if he loses, then it really makes Taylor look bad. Win or lose, you always want to portray your opponent as a killer. The only explanation I can think of that makes sense is that Steward started this campaign because his fighter has confidence issues. We’ll see how it plays out this Saturday, but to me, this talk from the Taylor camp only makes me feel better about picking Pavlik to win."

Makes perfect sense to me!

[Illmatic]

manny steward doesnt make predictions..he watches four rounds and then says "this fight is going exactly as I predicted"

[jdanders]

manny steward doesnt make predictions..he watches four rounds and then says "this fight is going exactly as I predicted"

What do you mean by that? What do you call it when he says "This fight won't go 6 rounds. Taylor will win by knock out." Sounds like a prediction to me.

[cardstars]

Just read this on maxboxing:

"Why are Emanuel Steward and Jermain Taylor going out of their way to call Kelly Pavlik an “ordinary” opponent? Normally, you don’t do something like that, because if Taylor wins, this diminishes the credit he’ll get for winning, and if he loses, then it really makes Taylor look bad. Win or lose, you always want to portray your opponent as a killer. The only explanation I can think of that makes sense is that Steward started this campaign because his fighter has confidence issues. We’ll see how it plays out this Saturday, but to me, this talk from the Taylor camp only makes me feel better about picking Pavlik to win."

Makes perfect sense to me!


That does make sense. I guess we will find out for sure this saturday!

[o_money]

Just read this on maxboxing:

"Why are Emanuel Steward and Jermain Taylor going out of their way to call Kelly Pavlik an “ordinary” opponent? Normally, you don’t do something like that, because if Taylor wins, this diminishes the credit he’ll get for winning, and if he loses, then it really makes Taylor look bad. Win or lose, you always want to portray your opponent as a killer. The only explanation I can think of that makes sense is that Steward started this campaign because his fighter has confidence issues. We’ll see how it plays out this Saturday, but to me, this talk from the Taylor camp only makes me feel better about picking Pavlik to win."

Makes perfect sense to me!


I fully agree. all this talk about kelly being normal is not a good sign for taylor. It must be designed to build him up. And personally for emmanuel to start saying that there is going to be an early stoppage is just really out of character. Manny is the king of getting his guys to control the fight with there jab and boxing ability, breaking there opponent down and then taking him out. One of the above posters just talked about the lewis tyson fight, he commented on how it took lewis 8 rounds to end tyson, as though its a testiment to tyson that he lasted 8 rounds. Well it wasn't the only reason tyson lasted eight rounds, it was because manny had lewis on a leash. watch the fight, at the end of every round manny talls him to "not get careless", "jab" and "to keep him at a distance" and all that other stuff that he always spouts off. which is how manny rolls. I mean when was the last time manny actually told a guy to go to war? Probably the 70s or something or maybe even never. And now he's saying that Germain is going to get this guy out of there in three......Which is as good as saying Germain's going to war......thats just soo out of character that its got to worry a taylor fan.


I think Taylor knows in his heart that he feared miranda and Pavlik had the balls to walked miranda down. And that has got to worry him.

[Carlos Primera]

What do you mean by that? What do you call it when he says "This fight won't go 6 rounds. Taylor will win by knock out." Sounds like a prediction to me.
it's a reference to stewarts commentating style on hbo where he just says at the end "it went exactly as i predicted"

[Cruiser1]

that is true also but that fight was pretty much over by the third.

We didn't know at the time but that fight was basically over when Lewis landed that uppercut in the first. I'm serious. Tyson went back to the corner and told Ronnie Shields that he was hurt.

[lefthook31]

If I believed my fighter was going to blowout an opponent that everyone else felt was going to make a competitive fight, I would certainly keep my mouth shut in front of the cameras. I would certainly tell my fighter hes ordinary and hes going to win easily, but right now Taylor's credibility is so bad, hes diminishing Pavlik so badly its going to diminish the win. I would sit there and agree with everyone that Pavlik is a devastating puncher, and a giant killer.
As far as Steward, he is very good at calling fights, and is rarely wrong.

[The Kurgan]

Just because he is a world class trainer, doesn't mean that he can't predict a fight wrong.

But... But... "This is turning out exactly the way I expected"!

[Strangely Brown]

This thread is turning out exactly how Steward predicted.

[pipe wrenched]

I fully agree. all this talk about kelly being normal is not a good sign for taylor. It must be designed to build him up. And personally for emmanuel to start saying that there is going to be an early stoppage is just really out of character. Manny is the king of getting his guys to control the fight with there jab and boxing ability, breaking there opponent down and then taking him out. One of the above posters just talked about the lewis tyson fight, he commented on how it took lewis 8 rounds to end tyson, as though its a testiment to tyson that he lasted 8 rounds. Well it wasn't the only reason tyson lasted eight rounds, it was because manny had lewis on a leash. watch the fight, at the end of every round manny talls him to "not get careless", "jab" and "to keep him at a distance" and all that other stuff that he always spouts off. which is how manny rolls. I mean when was the last time manny actually told a guy to go to war? Probably the 70s or something or maybe even never. And now he's saying that Germain is going to get this guy out of there in three......Which is as good as saying Germain's going to war......thats just soo out of character that its got to worry a taylor fan.


I think Taylor knows in his heart that he feared miranda and Pavlik had the balls to walked miranda down. And that has got to worry him.

Nah man. Manny was rippin Lewis' ass for not gettin Tyson out of there after he had him hurt in like the 3rd. Matter of fact Lewis recalls it well and says so on the JT vs Spinks telecast, where it was the only other time they could remember seeing Manny go the fuck off like that (on JT). Watch Tyson/ Lewis again, Manny goes fuckin nuts on Lewis, sayin this guy is too fuckin dangerous to be fuckin around with. "Get that Mother fucker out of there and let's go home."
Be patient and jab was not on the menu.

[jdanders]

it's a reference to stewarts commentating style on hbo where he just says at the end "it went exactly as i predicted"

Right, but I'm asking about Stewart the trainer, not the HBO commentator. It goes without saying that if he's the commentator in a fight, he's not training either combatant. But I agree, he makes very accurate predictions when he's assessing a fight objectively.

[o_money]

Nah man. Manny was rippin Lewis' ass for not gettin Tyson out of there after he had him hurt in like the 3rd. Matter of fact Lewis recalls it well and says so on the JT vs Spinks telecast, where it was the only other time they could remember seeing Manny go the fuck off like that (on JT). Watch Tyson/ Lewis again, Manny goes fuckin nuts on Lewis, sayin this guy is too fuckin dangerous to be fuckin around with. "Get that Mother fucker out of there and let's go home."
Be patient and jab was not on the menu.
aw fuck that just kills my argument....gonna have to rewatch that one.

and for the record I've never actually made it through the entire JT v spinks telecast. just got too bored.

[pipe wrenched]

aw fuck that just kills my argument....gonna have to rewatch that one.

and for the record I've never actually made it through the entire JT v spinks telecast. just got too bored.

Shit bro, I didn't mean to kill anything, just me and my wife like watching and listening to Manny. When Lewis made the comment on the JT/Spinks fight is when I went to youtube to check it out myself.
And for sure, Manny was goin crazy on Lennox.

[fatcity]

Steward is PAID to say such things.Money talks,bullshit walks!:bbb

[pipe wrenched]

Steward is PAID to say such things.Money talks,bullshit walks!:bbb

And that's all there is to it.:good

[bachatu]

Do you guys think that he takes up to train anyone who is willing to pay him his money? I don't think he has the time and to be honest, I believe he goes with guys he really believes in and guys who have tools to be make it to the championship level. He doesn't want to train guys that will tarnish his own record and legacy as a trainer.

[DanePugilist]

But... But... "This is turning out exactly the way I expected"!:lol::lol: - Well, he can't say this now - because that prediction pretty much sucks.

[El Bombasto]

manny steward doesnt make predictions..he watches four rounds and then says "this fight is going exactly as I predicted"

:lol:

[pipe wrenched]

Do you guys think that he takes up to train anyone who is willing to pay him his money? I don't think he has the time and to be honest, I believe he goes with guys he really believes in and guys who have tools to be make it to the championship level. He doesn't want to train guys that will tarnish his own record and legacy as a trainer.

Other than a couple (Andy Lee only one I can think of), he seems to train dudes who already have a belt or immediate shot at one. Don't get me wrong either, I like Manny a lot and always enjoy his appearances and what he has to say. And with that in mind it does creep in the back of my head that he will be sitting across from my favorite fighter Saturday. Pavlik KO 7.

[T.S.]

I was watching Hearns-Barkley the other night from 1988. Emmanuel Steward predicted Hearns by KO in the early rounds. Of course, it was Hearns who was KO'd in the third.

Last week, Stewart predicted Taylor to KO Pavlik in the first six rounds. Now he's saying in less than 3. I get the impression he's making such statements more to boost Taylor's confidence than anything else.

Can anyone recall any other Stewart predictions (regarding his fighters) in the past, and whether or not his predictions were accurate?

Sht happens. Did you see Barkley's face after that fight? Hearns fcked him up good Barkley bleeding from both eyes. For some reason, Hearns dropped his left hand and got clobbered with right hook to temple.
Barkley hit a home run sht happens. Barkley went home with win and sun glasses on for the next couple of weeks.

[Stickandmove]

Right, but I'm asking about Stewart the trainer, not the HBO commentator. It goes without saying that if he's the commentator in a fight, he's not training either combatant. But I agree, he makes very accurate predictions when he's assessing a fight objectively.

Well, what are we doing? Let's stop talking about Manny Steward's predictions and start making some money off them!

I have a 8 fight accumulator bet which could net me 10 grand - how do you rate my chances?

Manny Pacquiao to beat MAB
Joe Calzaghe to beat Mikkel Kessler on points
Fernando Vargas to beat Ricardo Mayorga
Jermain Taylor to beat Kelly Pavlik on points
Miguel Angel Cotto to beat Shane Mosley
Juan Carlos Gomez to beat Oliver Mccall
Juan Manuel Marquez to beat Rocky Juarez
Ricky Hatton to beat Floyd Mayweather

Of course, if I'm right, Manny Steward predicted it :yep

[pipe wrenched]

Have ya'll checked out the thread "Taylor camp predicts KO"? In there is transcript from the last presser in New York, and Manny says Sugar Ray Leonar/Robinson, Hearns, Hagler, Barkley none would have even fought JT!
don't know about all that shit, and if Pavlik wins, according to Manny's own words, Pavlik is better than them?

[bachatu]

Well, what are we doing? Let's stop talking about Manny Steward's predictions and start making some money off them!

I have a 8 fight accumulator bet which could net me 10 grand - how do you rate my chances?

Manny Pacquiao to beat MAB
Joe Calzaghe to beat Mikkel Kessler on points
Fernando Vargas to beat Ricardo Mayorga
Jermain Taylor to beat Kelly Pavlik on points
Miguel Angel Cotto to beat Shane Mosley
Juan Carlos Gomez to beat Oliver Mccall
Juan Manuel Marquez to beat Rocky Juarez
Ricky Hatton to beat Floyd Mayweather

Of course, if I'm right, Manny Steward predicted it :yep

Those highlighted in bold.... I think they should be the other way around. Don't get me wrong, I want Vargas to win, but I don't think he has anything left in the tank and I believe Mayorga will likely win. Same with the Mosley/Cotto fight and Hatton/Mayweather.
Mosley is one of the best in his era, and his era isn't over yet, and he aint either. He is still too good for Cotto at this point.
As much as I dont like Mayweather, objectively, he is a better boxer than Hatton.

[Stickandmove]

Those highlighted in bold.... I think they should be the other way around. Don't get me wrong, I want Vargas to win, but I don't think he has anything left in the tank and I believe Mayorga will likely win. Same with the Mosley/Cotto fight and Hatton/Mayweather.
Mosley is one of the best in his era, and his era isn't over yet, and he aint either. He is still too good for Cotto at this point.
As much as I dont like Mayweather, objectively, he is a better boxer than Hatton.

Thanks for your input. Now, can you please find out what Manny Steward thinks of my predictions!

You think Mayorga has more left in the tank than Vargas?

Will Mosley (at 36) be able to cope with Cotto's pressure?

Mayweather will be dancing with stars above his head on December 8th; he's taking Ricky too lightly. I actually think that Floyd is overrated; many people feel that Castillo beat him in their first fight and I thought Oscar bullied him in their fight.

But, most importantly, who is Manny Steward picking for Mayweather - Hatton? :yep

[JETSKI]

I think after Kelly lands some good shots on Jermain, Manny will simply have to admit that KP is the hardest punching Middlewt. "I've ever saw".

Well, thats it for me from up in Maine. 2 more days & its back home to Jersey & then down to AC for this baby.

See you guys briefly on Sat. before I take off.

:hi:

[bachatu]

Thanks for your input. Now, can you please find out what Manny Steward thinks of my predictions!

You think Mayorga has more left in the tank than Vargas?

Will Mosley (at 36) be able to cope with Cotto's pressure?

Mayweather will be dancing with stars above his head on December 8th; he's taking Ricky too lightly. I actually think that Floyd is overrated; many people feel that Castillo beat him in their first fight and I thought Oscar bullied him in their fight.

But, most importantly, who is Manny Steward picking for Mayweather - Hatton? :yep

Agree...that is the only thing that has me a little shaky on betting on Mayweather 100% is the whole dancing with the stars thing. I have a feeling though, despite those things, he is still hitting the gym as much as he needs to and he will still come in well prepared for the fight.
What I have doubts in Cotto is the fact that he has some big defensive flaws and has shown that he can get hurt in some of his previous bouts. Mosley is at another level in terms of what he has faced yet... he can throw punches in volume and throw some great lethal combinations. I'm not sure if Cotto will be able to hang with Mosley....that is, if its the same Mosley that showed up to fight Vargas; I think it will be, since he is now fighting at a more natural weight then when he fought forrest/Winky. His performance was affected by the weight gain, plus a lot of other crap going on at that time (such as the Balco steroid scandal, etc). Even though he is at the age that he is at, I think he has good genes...he seems to have aged well. Some fighters have it that way, others dont.

[BITCH ASS]

this is very true but it took him 8 over an old tyson

TAYS u MOTHER FUCKER!

[safe_pa]

I remember Manny saying that Naz was the best super featherweight in the world right before the fight with MAB.

[achillesthegreat]

This is the sort of fight Steward makes his name on i.e. Wlad v Peter/Brewster and Lewis v Tua/Tyson, even Hearns v Cuevas and Duran.

Pavlik is bigger than Taylor and appears to be better at what he does (brawling) than what Taylor does (boxing).

Pavlik is simple - what you see is what you get, a bit like Margo and Wright, no frills. Taylor is a mess, inconsistent, sloppy and dumb as shit EVEN with arguably the best coach in the world and an amazing wealth of experience.

Taylor has to become a different fighter to win. He has to elevate himself. We'll find out about his mind, heart and balls. We'll need to see a better defence, 12 round stamina and power to keep Pavlik honest. On top of all that we'll need to see the intelligence and tools to pick him apart en route to victory.

I'd even go as far as saying that on Saturday Taylor begins his path to legendary status. He has beaten a top 5 160 pounder twice and arguably has a victory over a top 5 154 pounder. He has win over small guys in Spinks and Ouma. You have to look at his record favourably to see this though.

On Saturday he faces the most dangerous challenger at 160 pounds. Its his last fight at that weight and a fight which will really solidify his greatness as one of the best 160 pounders to ever do it...

...but he has to win and thats tough to see!

[Artani]

I dont think that Taylor will Ko Pavlik. Im sure that Pavlik will look to atack Taylor from first round but i wait to see this fight to going in long rounds and Taylor to win by descausen.

[Dorfmeister]

I was watching Hearns-Barkley the other night from 1988. Emmanuel Steward predicted Hearns by KO in the early rounds. Of course, it was Hearns who was KO'd in the third.

Last week, Stewart predicted Taylor to KO Pavlik in the first six rounds. Now he's saying in less than 3. I get the impression he's making such statements more to boost Taylor's confidence than anything else.

Can anyone recall any other Stewart predictions (regarding his fighters) in the past, and whether or not his predictions were accurate?

Steward got it exactly on the money predicting Klitschko-Brewsta II in seven ( Lamon didn't come for the seventh) but he's no Muhammad Ali and there's nothing like Deja Vu mind reading in Manny... He was the same to say that Vicious Vivian would be the consummate pro Mike McCallum of the new decade, did he predict Harris to be so unprofessional towards his own defeat to Witter? Manny good in thought, not quite the same result.

[Ambition_Def]

It just goes to show that predictions are not always right. It doesn't matter how much you've studied boxing, or any sport for that matter. Once it starts to unravel the unexpected occurs and your prediction goes right out the window.

Manny can predict that Taylor will win by KO, but he may be surprised to see how strong Pavlik is. There are things in this fight that cannot be gauged simply by looking at the past.

And then if the unexpected doesn't happen? Expect Manny to be right.

[Stezzie]

This is the sort of fight Steward makes his name on i.e. Wlad v Peter/Brewster and Lewis v Tua/Tyson, even Hearns v Cuevas and Duran.

Pavlik is bigger than Taylor and appears to be better at what he does (brawling) than what Taylor does (boxing).

Pavlik is simple - what you see is what you get, a bit like Margo and Wright, no frills. Taylor is a mess, inconsistent, sloppy and dumb as shit EVEN with arguably the best coach in the world and an amazing wealth of experience.

Taylor has to become a different fighter to win. He has to elevate himself. We'll find out about his mind, heart and balls. We'll need to see a better defence, 12 round stamina and power to keep Pavlik honest. On top of all that we'll need to see the intelligence and tools to pick him apart en route to victory.

I'd even go as far as saying that on Saturday Taylor begins his path to legendary status. He has beaten a top 5 160 pounder twice and arguably has a victory over a top 5 154 pounder. He has win over small guys in Spinks and Ouma. You have to look at his record favourably to see this though.

On Saturday he faces the most dangerous challenger at 160 pounds. Its his last fight at that weight and a fight which will really solidify his greatness as one of the best 160 pounders to ever do it...

...but he has to win and thats tough to see!

There is one thing you overlook. Taylor has a good fast jab. If he using his jab that will offset Kelly's power and position. Taylor is fast so he should not have a problem landing the jab. He jab alone can beat Pavlik but nobody will ever want to believe that until they see it. You have to look more into the mechanics of this fight...:good

[rydersonthestorm]

I don't get why everyone's on pavliks nut's what has he actually done, or is it that people just want to see JT get beat and will back anyone.

[brooklyn1550]

Emanuel Stewart is a very good fight predictor. That comes with something of a 6th sense about the sport, his years as a championship trainer, and the countless numbers of fights he's seen.

In this fight, I really have no doubts that he will be picking Jermain Taylor by a knockout. He's training him, he has a gameplan in his head, and he believes if Jermain effectively carries out that gameplan, he will win. Emanuel isn't going to sit back and say "I love Jermain, he's trained for the fight of his life, but he's going to get his ass handed to him by Pavlik."

The bottom line is that for Jermain to win this fight by knockout, he needs to show greatness and become the fighter many of us were hoping when he was still a prospect. I feel confident that Manny expects Jermain to show that greatness after what seems to have been a great training camp.

Pavlik TKO7

[audio101]

There is one thing you overlook. Taylor has a good fast jab. If he using his jab that will offset Kelly's power and position. Taylor is fast so he should not have a problem landing the jab. He jab alone can beat Pavlik but nobody will ever want to believe that until they see it. You have to look more into the mechanics of this fight...:good

Tell Taylor that, he'll forget what a jab is once the fight starts and his ignorance kicks in.

[brooklyn1550]

I disagree. You've got Pavlik who has tasted the canvas several times in his career, who has yet to face an elite boxer, going into his first major fight (Miranda wasn't that major, he knew what to expect) against an opponent that has talked up his ability to knock the shit out of Pavlik

At the moment, no one is expecting Taylor to come out and attack Pavlik immediately - that's exactly what it seems like he and Manny are training for.

Manny isn't the type to make predictions like this, he must see/know something that we don't.. another reason I have no hesitance taking Taylor in this one

You and Amsterdam have a 6 month bet going, correct?

[Executioner]

Manny isn't the type to make predictions like this, he must see/know something that we don't.. another reason I have no hesitance taking Taylor in this one

If Manny told you the World was going to come to an end, say..on December 4th 2009 at 4:32 PM would you believe him due to how detailed he was? :lol:

[Executioner]

If Manny told me the world was going to end when Manny was an expert on all things armageddon and had been involved with the very aspect of the world that was going to end, sure.

Manny is a boxing genius, a legendary trainer with as many champions as anyone and an obscene win/loss ratio for his fighters.. when he says something in boxing, I listen - you, being a dull as fuck shitwit, obviously don't listen


@ Brooklyn - yup.

:lol:

Just bustin' your balls man. Jeez, chill out :blood

How about Calzaghe-Taylor at 168?:think

[Executioner]

I'd like to see that fight, I think Calzaghe's style is a bridge too far for Taylor largely because Taylor likes to work off of the jab but I definitely see it being a closer fight than Kessler vs Calzaghe solely for the fact that Taylor has a few more punches in his arsenal, is a notable body puncher and has thrown combinations.

Only guy I think that beats Calzaghe ( as long as Calzaghe is in good form ) is B-Hop... great counter right, good on the inside, good at roughing up people and getting them into a brawl and enough durability that he's not going to be worn down during the fight

That's a fight I'd prefer to see than Taylor vs Calzaghe - just wish it Was Calzaghe at 30-34 vs Hopkins at 36-40.

that's a good assessment. I agree

[Stezzie]

Tell Taylor that, he'll forget what a jab is once the fight starts and his ignorance kicks in.

You don't get in the position Taylor is in being ignorant...lets be realistic...

[tays001]

I fully agree. all this talk about kelly being normal is not a good sign for taylor. It must be designed to build him up. And personally for emmanuel to start saying that there is going to be an early stoppage is just really out of character. Manny is the king of getting his guys to control the fight with there jab and boxing ability, breaking there opponent down and then taking him out. One of the above posters just talked about the lewis tyson fight, he commented on how it took lewis 8 rounds to end tyson, as though its a testiment to tyson that he lasted 8 rounds. Well it wasn't the only reason tyson lasted eight rounds, it was because manny had lewis on a leash. watch the fight, at the end of every round manny talls him to "not get careless", "jab" and "to keep him at a distance" and all that other stuff that he always spouts off. which is how manny rolls. I mean when was the last time manny actually told a guy to go to war? Probably the 70s or something or maybe even never. And now he's saying that Germain is going to get this guy out of there in three......Which is as good as saying Germain's going to war......thats just soo out of character that its got to worry a taylor fan.


I think Taylor knows in his heart that he feared miranda and Pavlik had the balls to walked miranda down. And that has got to worry him.

i know he had lewis on a leash i was just saying it cuz im a tyson fan

[tays001]

Nah man. Manny was rippin Lewis' ass for not gettin Tyson out of there after he had him hurt in like the 3rd. Matter of fact Lewis recalls it well and says so on the JT vs Spinks telecast, where it was the only other time they could remember seeing Manny go the fuck off like that (on JT). Watch Tyson/ Lewis again, Manny goes fuckin nuts on Lewis, sayin this guy is too fuckin dangerous to be fuckin around with. "Get that Mother fucker out of there and let's go home."
Be patient and jab was not on the menu.

dude i forgot about that one right on

[robert40]

Interesting comments and predictions from Stewart over the last few days.

But above it all, I can still hear the echo of Stewart screaming at Taylor from the corner at the Spinks fight.

I guess one can only wonder which voice was the truth?

[achillesthegreat]

There is one thing you overlook. Taylor has a good fast jab. If he using his jab that will offset Kelly's power and position. Taylor is fast so he should not have a problem landing the jab. He jab alone can beat Pavlik but nobody will ever want to believe that until they see it. You have to look more into the mechanics of this fight...:good
He flicks his jab, it didn't keep Wright off him, he pulls the right hand back....

...typical Taylor.

Taylor can no doubt win if he listens to Steward but I question if he does. Time to show us. This could be his coming out party.

It might be better for boxing if Pavlik wins. He is undefeated with no iffy fights plus he is exciting.

[audio101]

If Manny told me the world was going to end when Manny was an expert on all things armageddon and had been involved with the very aspect of the world that was going to end, sure.

Manny is a boxing genius, a legendary trainer with as many champions as anyone and an obscene win/loss ratio for his fighters.. when he says something in boxing, I listen - you, being a dull as fuck shitwit, obviously don't listen


@ Brooklyn - yup.

A boxing genius that couldn't even get his fighter to KO Spinks or let alone look good against him.....

[Stezzie]

A boxing genius that couldn't even get his fighter to KO Spinks or let alone look good against him.....

Your an idiot...Spinks is a much faster smaller boxer that ran every second of the fight...who would look good chasing a skill boxer...are you 12 years old?

[brooklyn1550]

I don't look at the Cory Spinks fight that much when analyzing this fight. Jermain's performance in the ring that night looked like shit because Spinks is a tough fighter to face. It's hard to look good against him. The thing I look at is Taylor's inability to follow Stewart's instructions. If he wants to win tomorrow, it is imperative he listens to Stewart in between rounds.

I put more into the Ouma and Wright fights when analyzing this fight

[Stezzie]

He flicks his jab, it didn't keep Wright off him, he pulls the right hand back....

...typical Taylor.

Taylor can no doubt win if he listens to Steward but I question if he does. Time to show us. This could be his coming out party.

It might be better for boxing if Pavlik wins. He is undefeated with no iffy fights plus he is exciting.

Wright has much better defense than Pavlik so that is not a good anology...Pavlik doesnt even hold his guard up like Wright so Taylors jab will be much more of a factor. Can you honestly say you don't understand that? I guess if you never boxed before trying to explain things like that is like trying to explain astrophysics to a drunk...they just won't understand it requardless of how you break it down...

[robert40]

I don't think anyone is debating the point that Cory Spinks is a elusive fighter and hard to look good against.

Maybe Taylor could have eventually caught him and maybe not. But I think speaking for myself it appeared he didn't even 'try' after hearing instructions from the corner.
Not being able to do something is one thing. Not even making the effort is another.