Is Shane Mosley worthy of the nickname "Sugar"

[ironchamp]

Sugar Ray Robinson is a hard act to follow but Ray Leonard's legacy is certainly worthy of bearing the name. What about Shane? Is he good enough for the name?

[Tin_Ribs]

It's just a name. But if you're asking if he deserves to mentioned in the same breath as Robinson and Leonard, the answer is no. Which isn't a criticism, nor anything to be ashamed about. Few fighters DO deserve to be mentioned in the same breath.

[ironchamp]

Its not just a name, it represents to an extent greatness. Robinson and Leonard are out of this world. Mosley has the talent and attributes but does he hold a legacy?

[Jack Dempsey]

Many would argue that only Robinson warrants the moniker 'Sugar'

[Mantequilla]

I always thought it was a bit of a shit nickname to be honest.blasphemy no doubt, but it's not up to much imo.Almost as bad as "kid".

You could have called Robinson anything and hte guy was such a great figher it would have had a good chance of sticking

[Jack Dempsey]

Sugar Poo Robinson

[Mantequilla]

Watermelon Ray.

[Jack Dempsey]

Really Rather Good Ray Robinson

[Bioyhh]

Well, Mosley is better than Sugar Ray Seales.

[essexboy]

I think so, one top fighter an era should be allowed it and Shane warrants it this era. Theres only one 'real' Sugar though.

[lefthook31]

I think so too. In terms of ability hes at the bottom of those three, but this is a new generation of boxing, and Shane has fought just about everyone and fought everyone tough. He didnt miss too many of the name guys of his era, and always fought hard.
I knew the Vernon Forrest fight was going to test that "sugar" tag, and Forrest kicked the shit out of him.

[northernstar83]

Hes better than Thulani "Sugarboy" Malinga too

[ironchamp]

I think so too. In terms of ability hes at the bottom of those three, but this is a new generation of boxing, and Shane has fought just about everyone and fought everyone tough. He didnt miss too many of the name guys of his era, and always fought hard.
I knew the Vernon Forrest fight was going to test that "sugar" tag, and Forrest kicked the shit out of him.

The only significant fight that he missed, which I can't fault him for is the fight against Trinidad. You think he could have beaten tito?

[lefthook31]

The only significant fight that he missed, which I can't fault him for is the fight against Trinidad. You think he could have beaten tito?
Probably not. Tito had a good jab and a massive lefthook, he also fought pretty tall, which troubled Mosley against Forrest.

[EleventhHour]

Oh! Quite Excellent Ray Robinson

[Jaws]

Probably not. Tito had a good jab and a massive lefthook, he also fought pretty tall, which troubled Mosley against Forrest.

I think it's a hard call. Mosely had the speed and swiftness to make it a fight/win. You could make a case for both fighters.

[lefthook31]

I think it's a hard call. Mosely had the speed and swiftness to make it a fight/win. You could make a case for both fighters.
I dont think Tito was as good with his jab as Forrest or Wright were, but he did possess the physical attributes that troubled Mosley. Tito also punched very hard, and Mosley was susceptible to mixing it up with everyone. Mosley would be competitive not denying that, but if I was a betting man after what I saw against Wright and Forrest I would have picked Tito.

[JohnThomas1]

Rampant Ray Robinson
Rampaging Ray Robinson

[Axl_Nose]

Many would argue that only Robinson warrants the moniker 'Sugar'

Many would be wrong .... Obviously just another Leonard hater who cant see his genius :patsch

Posters like you get boring, just like posters who say 'Dempsey was one dimensional', 'Ali never threw a body shot, how can he be the greatest', 'Greb isnt on film, how can he be judged', yadda, yadda, yadda ..... Come up with all the bullshit cliches you want, Sugar Ray Leonard was a brilliant fighter, and anybody who doubts it knows nothing about boxing, thats a fact ....

As for Mosley, hes a brilliant fighter with longevity who has had some fantastic wins and some disappointing losses, he uses the 'Sugar' tag for a nickname to make him more marketable, its not that important .. Hes a great fighter but not as good as Robinson or Leonard, not as adaptable to different styles as Robinson or Leonard, i think that is the critical point ..

[Shake]

Radical Ray Robinson

[Jack Dempsey]

Many would be wrong .... Obviously just another Leonard hater who cant see his genius :patsch

Posters like you get boring, just like posters who say 'Dempsey was one dimensional', 'Ali never threw a body shot, how can he be the greatest', 'Greb isnt on film, how can he be judged', yadda, yadda, yadda ..... Come up with all the bullshit cliches you want, Sugar Ray Leonard was a brilliant fighter, and anybody who doubts it knows nothing about boxing, thats a fact ....

As for Mosley, hes a brilliant fighter with longevity who has had some fantastic wins and some disappointing losses, he uses the 'Sugar' tag for a nickname to make him more marketable, its not that important .. Hes a great fighter but not as good as Robinson or Leonard, not as adaptable to different styles as Robinson or Leonard, i think that is the critical point ..

Whats your fucking problem? Did I say I was a Leonard hater? no, I merely pointed out that some people, not me I might add, would argue that only Ray Robinson deserves the name Sugar.

Its called playing Devils Advocate, look it up some time

[Boxed Ears]

If you're just talking about the three big sugars, I think they go in order downhill, earliest to latest. Robinson, Leonard, then Mosley. But yeah, he hasn't done the name wrong, all in all-my opinion. There's a blemish with a performance enhancing substance but ultimately I'm not sure it makes a big difference giving him the benefit of the doubt about his testimony.

[TIGEREDGE]

if it wasnt for shane mosleys balls, we would not be giving forrest and wright the great credit they todays. lets not forget how underatted these guys were before they foughts shane

i say he deserves the nickname because he was sweet to boxing fans

[he grant]

Absolutely. He has been a terrific fighter.

[red cobra]

Only Leonard is worthy of copping the nickname of the great SRR, and he didn't match the original.

[Duodenum]

Robby was reportedly cool with SRL sharing his nickname. It surprises me that no prominent boxer has been nicknamed "Sting Ray" yet. What other nickname fits the first name Shane besides Sugar though?

As for Robinson, how about:

Wallopin' Walker Smith?

[itrymariti]

Try "Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr." for size.

[UT78]

Ravishing Ray Robinson?

[Duodenum]

Infuriated with the way his match with SRL was stopped when he had it sewn up on the scorecards (immediately after Ray missed five punches), Kevin Howard's enraged camp charged Leonard with fighting, "like a faggot!"

Gay Ray Leonard?:gayfight

[BENNY BLANCO]

Yes I believe Shane is worthy of the Sugar moniker, he has fought the best in his career and has won most of them and lost just a few.

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[Tin_Ribs]

[quote=ironchamp;5580223]Its not just a name, it represents to an extent greatness. Robinson and Leonard are out of this world. Mosley has the talent and attributes but does he hold a legacy?[/quote

Yeah, it is. What 'represented greatness' in Robinson was his speed, technique, punching power, timing, resilience, recuperative power, footwork and ring generalship, all consistently deployed against great opposition for nearly 20 years. It wouldn't have mattered if his name was Herman Munster (which incidentally would have been a better nickname anyway) ;).