Sonny Liston vs Ike Ibeabuchi

[Executioner]

who wins?

[Muchmoore]

Liston by KO in a Cleveland Williams like encounter.

[PowerPuncher]

Liston by KO in a Cleveland Williams like encounter.

Ibeauchi took everything Tua threw without been badly wobbled. Tua hits as hard as Liston. I doubt either fighter is stopped.

I think Liston does better due to his jab he'd outbox Ike, but Ikes pressure, strength and combinations trouble Liston and win rounds.

Liston UD 115-113

[Cobra33]

I say Liston pounds him behind that powerful jab and stops him around the 9th round.I think Ike would have his moments but to try and overpower Liston is not the best way to win.

[Muchmoore]

Ibeauchi took everything Tua threw without been badly wobbled. Tua hits as hard as Liston. I doubt either fighter is stopped.

I think Liston does better due to his jab he'd outbox Ike, but Ikes pressure, strength and combinations trouble Liston and win rounds.

Liston UD 115-113

Ike could definently get stopped by Liston. If not early than later.

Tua and Liston are in two different leagues.

[ChrisPontius]

Ibeauchi took everything Tua threw without been badly wobbled. Tua hits as hard as Liston. I doubt either fighter is stopped.

I think Liston does better due to his jab he'd outbox Ike, but Ikes pressure, strength and combinations trouble Liston and win rounds.

Liston UD 115-113

My thoughts as well. Liston never faced someone who looks as good on film as Ibeabuchi does, he'll be in quite some trouble. Ibeabuchi was a monster.

[rekcutnevets]

115-113 speaks of 12 rounds, but I like the close score.

I don't think that Liston could match Ibeabuchi's work rate. That will win some rounds for Ike. The problem for Ike is that he comes forward like everyone is a nobody. I think that Liston's Jab would offset a lot of Ike's combo's, and have him resetting much of the time. I think that Liston's right hand would shake Ike at moments, and make the busier man lose rounds he would normally win against someone other than Liston.

I think Liston would win the majority of the rounds with his jab and straight right, but Ike would make it a close score like the one mentioned at the beginning of this post.

[fightking12]

I'm not really sure who wins because Ibeabuchi did stop boxing and he did beat Tua and Byrd. But I guess I would have to go with Liston

[Zakman]

Liston by UD or late KO. Ibeabuchi had two fights against rated fighters, otherwise he fought the usual record padders. He is grossly overrated based on what he actually did in the ring. Not even in Liston's league.

[LennoxGOAT]

I think many only saw Ike against Byrd and maybe Tua (a bout which many believed he lost). Ike was rather ordinary in a lot of his fights. One of the most overrated figthers ever.

[JohnThomas1]

Liston by UD or late KO. Ibeabuchi had two fights against rated fighters, otherwise he fought the usual record padders. He is grossly overrated based on what he actually did in the ring. Not even in Liston's league.

For once we agree wholeheartedly. A damn good fighter, but like Ayala and Mugabi he lives more on myth than accomplishment.

[Sonny's jab]

Ibeabuchi is an enigma and always will be.

He was at that stage in his career where he had already proved he had the ability to fight for the championship and be seen as a serious threat to a good champion. But the questions of how he'd fare against Lewis, and is he the next dominant champ/all-time great remained completely unanswered.

Ike vs. Liston is unanswerable. He's worthy enough to be taken VERY SERIOUSLY by Liston, but still no idea how he'd fare.

[Denny Cruser]

Concerning KOed Ike.
Liston was unable to stop some 88 kg guys, how he would stop a 105 kg machine with a very good chin, throwing 100 punches per round. Ike was not Cl.Williams. Williams was a bum killer, with only 1 good win over Terrell among 92 fights :))) For example it take only 20 fights for Ike to get win over Tua and Byrd. I think the best result for Liston is win by close decision. Also it will be not easy for Sonny to defending against Ike combinations and workrate. Definetly Byrd`s defence is far superior that Liston`s, but Ike still landed good shots.

[Executioner]

Ibeauchi took everything Tua threw without been badly wobbled. Tua hits as hard as Liston. I doubt either fighter is stopped.

I think Liston does better due to his jab he'd outbox Ike, but Ikes pressure, strength and combinations trouble Liston and win rounds.

Liston UD 115-113

A case can be made that Liston hit harder than Tua. He was also physically stronger than him and wayyyyy better fighter.

[Executioner]

Liston grinds Ike down with big shots until Ike is stopped in 11. :yep

[RAMPAGE0017]

A case can be made that Liston hit harder than Tua. He was also physically stronger than him and wayyyyy better fighter.


What case?

[Jack]

Ike could definently get stopped by Liston. If not early than later.

Tua and Liston are in two different leagues.
As complete fighters, totally, but Tua hit Ibeabuchi clean and didn't stop him. The two fighters talent is not in question, but power is. Liston didn't hit as hard as Tua, so what makes you think he could stop him when Tua could't? Becuase he had a better jab and footwork or something?

This is a hard fight to pick. Ike wasn't tested enough. On workrate, I might fancy an upset UD though.

[Executioner]

What case?

Liston is an ATG heavyweight puncher, Tua is just a guy that'll knock you out if you're not elite.

[Sakura]

I think Ike is to powerful to Liston...Liston is small heavyweight with good reach and skills, but still my bet is Ibeabuchi

[RAMPAGE0017]

Liston is an ATG heavyweight puncher, Tua is just a guy that'll knock you out if you're not elite.



ATG heavyweight puncher based on what? What elite fighters has Liston KOed?

[RAMPAGE0017]

As complete fighters, totally, but Tua hit Ibeabuchi clean and didn't stop him. The two fighters talent is not in question, but power is. Liston didn't hit as hard as Tua, so what makes you think he could stop him when Tua could't? Becuase he had a better jab and footwork or something?

This is a hard fight to pick. Ike wasn't tested enough. On workrate, I might fancy an upset UD though.


People blow Liston's power WAAAY out of proportion. The guy could obviously hit hard, and he had an excellent jab, but what gives people the inclination that he's this unbelieveable powerhouse? Because he stopped Williams, Patterson, and Folley? All these fighters have been stopped by others fighters, and some of them have been stopped by lesser opposition, as well.


And just because Ike didn't stick around for very long, anybody should be able to look at what the guy's done in the ring and seen that he was definitely a big force to be reckoned with. He's one of two guys responsible for breaking the record of most punches thrown in a heavyweight bout, which was previously held Ali/Frazier 3 which lasted 14 rounds.... and Ibeabuchi and Tua broke that record throughout the course of only 12 rounds. And Ike and Tua looked like they could've fought on for even longer.

I realize there aren't many believers in what Ike could've been, but anyone can look at what he's shown in the ring and see that he was an animal. He hit hard, he took a hard shot, he had phenominal work-rate and conditioning, and he could box, maybe not as well as Liston, but he could box well enough to catch slippery Chris Byrd.

[Boro chris]

Liston by UD or late KO. Ibeabuchi had two fights against rated fighters, otherwise he fought the usual record padders. He is grossly overrated based on what he actually did in the ring. Not even in Liston's league.

My thoughts exactly. Ibeabuchi was good (I thought Tua edged him though) but the mythology built up around him is getting out of hand.
Late stoppage for Liston.

[Cojimar 1945]

Liston might be overwhelmed by a stronger, bigger, faster opponnent. Liston would not look very imposing against some of the better heavyweights of more recent times who not only are bigger than him but also have formidable skills.

[Bummy Davis]

IKE was an unknown entity, fight with Tua could have gone either way and KO over Byrd good win but we know he was crazy, would it have surfaced in the ring like Golota and Iron MIke

[ChrisPontius]

Don't forget that Ike Ibeabuchi is the inventor of Psycho Pugilism!

"I'm in shape to fight right now. My boxing program includes shadow boxing and the study of "Psycho-pugilism". God willing, I shall introduce the world o£ boxing to my new supreme delicacy Psycho-pugilism (The Food of The Warrior Boxing God) upon my eventual return to the ring."

.......

“We were having a fine meal at a nice restaurant,” Kushner says, “and mid-course Ike picked up a big carving knife, slammed it into the table and screamed ‘They knew it! They knew it! The belts belong to me! Why don’t they just give them back.’

“That was a peculiar experience,” Kushner says. “That wasn’t the type of conduct I expected to romance the guy from HBO. (Ibeabuchi) was like a Viking.”

Three months after his decisive triumph over Byrd, Ibeabuchi had more trouble at an airport, and this time it wasn’t the demons that refused to let him on board.

His flight out of Dallas-Fort Worth was overbooked, and he didn’t take kindly to the news. As he stormed wildly through the terminal, police threatened him with pepper spray.

“You better shoot me,” he replied. They sprayed him in the eyes and handcuffed him.

That wouldn’t be the last time Ibeabuchi was pepper-sprayed. The next occasion would mark the stinging end of his freedom.


And people are wondering why his parole officer keeps refusing, Ike makes Tyson look like a smart and quiet person.

[Denny Cruser]

A case can be made that Liston hit harder than Tua. He was also physically stronger than him and wayyyyy better fighter.
ha-ha-ha. Liston coudnt stop 88 kg guys, while Tua knocked oud cold boxers of Ruiz type with very good chin in 19 seconds. Liston in different power league, although indeed very good boxer

[Executioner]

ha-ha-ha. Liston coudnt stop 88 kg guys, while Tua knocked oud cold boxers of Ruiz type with very good chin in 19 seconds. Liston in different power league, although indeed very good boxer

you just made yourself look like a fucking moron with a statement like that. :lol:

"of Ruiz type" = bums :yep

congrats newb :lol:

[C. M. Clay II]

Liston scores a TKo in thirteen rounds. Liston would wear him down with body shots and his famous left hook and Ike would eventually succumb to Liston's arsenal.

Sonny Liston TKO 13 Ike Ibeabuchi:good

[Denny Cruser]

you just made yourself look like a fucking moron with a statement like that. :lol:

"of Ruiz type" = bums :yep

congrats newb :lol:
Boy I see you are virtual warrior :rofl Dont bring me your stupidness. I dont take it.

[MagnificentMatt]

who wins?

Ike by ko in 8-9

[he grant]

Liston by close decision ..