Tony Ayala vs. Roberto Duran at 154

[KOTF]

Who wins?

[laxpdx]

I can't logically see how Duran would've won. He's a blown-up LW up against a bigger, much stronger version of himself in terms of pitbull-like ferocity.

Both guys would be fired up for this one, probably would have to be separated several times before the actual bout. The ultimate bout of Latin machismo.

Duran had experience, whereas Tony had youth and hit way harder. Duran will showcase technical abilities early on, until El Torito suffocates him and simply overpowers him. Tony by crushing KO in 5.

[MRBILL]

Duran all the way.................. The '83 version of Duran was good to go all through the year............ "Cuevas, Moore & Hagler" showed us Duran was capable up at weights between 152 to 157 pounds.............

Tony Ayala was just a hyped club-fighter in 1982 while feeding on lesser "B" grade meat on the likes of ESPN, etc.......... Lotsa' promise with lotsa' proving to be done........

MR.BILL

[Mr Butt]

duran ud or late stoppage ,ayala unproven

[turpinr]

duran ud or late stoppage ,ayala unproven:goodagreed.ayala's best hope would be by a late rounds rape

[Flea Man]

:goodagreed.ayala's best hope would be by a late rounds rape

:lol: :rofl

Duran would outmanouever and eventually outpunch Ayala, who was nothing special even when you take into account how young he was.

Terrible thread.

[biglads]

Once Ayala saw Duran wouldn't fall when hit, he'd slowly get taken apart.

Duran TKO-9

[cotto20]

Duran all the way.................. The '83 version of Duran was good to go all through the year............ "Cuevas, Moore & Hagler" showed us Duran was capable up at weights between 152 to 157 pounds.............

Tony Ayala was just a hyped club-fighter in 1982 while feeding on lesser "B" grade meat on the likes of ESPN, etc.......... Lotsa' promise with lotsa' proving to be done........

MR.BILL
Hyped up club fighter, were you geting this shit from?:huh

[Duodenum]

Ayala's hooks to the body wouldn't help him with Duran anymore than Pipino's body attack did. If mediocre puncher Mario Maldonado could drop him, then what's going to happen when El Cholo starts teeing off on El Torito? The bull gets slaughtered in the middle rounds.

[MRBILL]

Hyped up club fighter, were you geting this shit from?:huh

Like Ayala was anything but that.?.?.? Wake up Barkley and smell the fresh pot of coffee brewing............. Tony Ayala had 20 friggin' fights over bums, stiffs and ESPN house garbage before going to the cooler for the next 17 yrs.......... 'Robbie Epps' is nothing to get get wet in your pants over......... Ayala was a club-fighter posing as a real contender...... Screw his generous ranking in 1982........ The hell..........
:bbb:deal:hat

MR.BILL

[MAG1965]

Yeah I agree with most of you here. Ayala would look good coming into the fight, but in the ring Duran would have weathered any storm and started to land on Ayala and stop him in 7 or so. I see a very similar fight to the Davey Moore fight. Duran in 1983 at 154 was a good enough fighter. not good enough to beat greats like Hearns or Benitez, but Ayala he would have beaten.

[redrooster]

i like Tony becuz of his size power and ferocity, his unrelenting attack would have crushed immobile types like Hope, Kalule and pacifistic non lethal types like Benitez.

Duran would do better than those schmucks but still lose. I fail to see how Duran who lost to Kirkland Laing could overwhelm someone so much physically stronger like Tony.

Duran would get in some good shots but Tony would quickly adapt and start to pick them off on his gloves.

once Tony gets warmed up and starts smoking, he will back Duran up and cause him to be much less effective. Eventually, Tony will prevail in brutal fashion. Duran's just too small and tubby

Beating Tony on paper is always much easier than it looks

[The Morlocks]

Duran all the way.................. The '83 version of Duran was good to go all through the year............ "Cuevas, Moore & Hagler" showed us Duran was capable up at weights between 152 to 157 pounds.............

Tony Ayala was just a hyped club-fighter in 1982 while feeding on lesser "B" grade meat on the likes of ESPN, etc.......... Lotsa' promise with lotsa' proving to be done........

MR.BILL
Agree! Ayala had none of the defensive wizardry of Duran. Just watch the Moore fight and see him turn his head at impact and see him counter hard to Davey (RIP) body all night. NO WAY Ayala takes the punishment Moore did. But, Duran proved at old again in '89 what kind of body punches he could take when Barkley teed off on his body. Could you imagine Ayala being hit to the head and body so hard and often by Barkley and still standing? Duran by 5th rd. ko or Ayala quits in a tough fight. BTW, for the Tyson comparers, Tyson never won in a tough fight where he was seriously challenged either. Both guys had no heart for someone w' will and tanacity fighting back.:hat

[The Morlocks]

:goodagreed.ayala's best hope would be by a late rounds rape
:| -Ayala after tasting Roberto's body shots

[lefthook31]

Duran by prison rape. Would have prepared him nicely for the can. Ayala was in the same boat as Gerald Mclellan (untested potential) with less skills.

[AREA 53]

We have seen it so often, a young fighter knocking out weak opporsition left right and centre, and begins to belive his own publicity, its a recipe for disaster, and Duran was the man to serve it up. Ayala, for a young fighter did have attributes, strengh and hitting power, and did score a good 3rd round ko win over Carlos Harrera, who pushed Maurice hope the full 15 rounds in a title challange, But Tony fought so many opponents who were intimidated before the first bell, now this is not Duran is it

I cant help but feel Roberto would treat this like Pulling the Wings off a Fly, i understand that Ayala had shown great disrespect to Robert when their paths had crossed earlier, Roberto would not forget this..

I think this would be similar to the Davey Moore Fight, Robertos Inside Savvy and Space Perception completly wrong-footing the predictable Tony, If Tony starts to throw his normally Terminatory big Shots, Roberto not only Rides them, but Counters Tony, then Mocks his Feeble Effort, what would that do to Tony's Immature Mindset ? Could be he would Implode like Tyson against Holyfield and commit some horrible foul in frustration ?

If the fight proceeded without illegal incident i would simply expect Roberto to Draw Tony's youthful sting Early, Correct him with Conters, Perhaps making Tony feel that he is one big effort from making Roberto Crack, But Roberto would probably be playing Savage Possum !

Once Tony starts to Huff and Puff, and has realised that Roberto has been feeding him that mirage of Victory, he knows that that impeceptable smile playing around the lips of Roberto was not his imagination.. it Dawns on him, as he looks into those cold black Eyes...Bottomless pits of menevolent Fistic Evil ...That Sneer that Says welcome to Hades...Come on Down.... Tony knows he is now going to make the acquintance of a real ring bad Man.

Petulant Boy against Ruthless Man ..the writing was on the wall all along
- one just had to look on the walls of anywhere but San Antone !

Tony has this Rep in some quarters as a Lt Middle ring Destroyer, was he really any better than Messrs Hilton Moore Drayton or Acquino ? Not to mention Beast Mugabi or The Hawk Jackson ! ?

[MRBILL]

In 1983 only "Hearns and Duran" were the real stand-out 154 pounders / champions of note.............. These dudes like: "Moore, Kalule, Ayala, Buter Drayton, James Green, Clint Jackson, Sean Mannion, David Braxton, John Mugabi, Fred Hutchings & Mark Medal" were either shot, rookies or unproven and not yet ready for prime-time game shows in '83.......... Cheers.......

MR.BILL:bbb:bart:rasta:admin:deal:hat

[Sardu]

Duran is too slick in close and would be able to consistently hit Ayala to both the body and head. Duran had a amazing chin and would need it here. There would be ebb and flow and both men would get their pounds of flesh in this one. But Duran would have been very motivated for such a dangerous foe like Ayala. He would need to be to win that's for sure.

Duran TKO 8 Ayala

[leverage]

duran by tko in 7. Too skilled a fighter whose defense is among the most underrated ever.

[HyperBone]

Duran would have boxed Ayalas ears off and dissect him worse than what he did to Davey Moore.

[duranimal]

We have seen it so often, a young fighter knocking out weak opporsition left right and centre, and begins to belive his own publicity, its a recipe for disaster, and Duran was the man to serve it up. Ayala, for a young fighter did have attributes, strengh and hitting power, and did score a good 3rd round ko win over Carlos Harrera, who pushed Maurice hope the full 15 rounds in a title challange, But Tony fought so many opponents who were intimidated before the first bell, now this is not Duran is it

I cant help but feel Roberto would treat this like Pulling the Wings off a Fly, i understand that Ayala had shown great disrespect to Robert when their paths had crossed earlier, Roberto would not forget this..

I think this would be similar to the Davey Moore Fight, Robertos Inside Savvy and Space Perception completly wrong-footing the predictable Tony, If Tony starts to throw his normally Terminatory big Shots, Roberto not only Rides them, but Counters Tony, then Mocks his Feeble Effort, what would that do to Tony's Immature Mindset ? Could be he would Implode like Tyson against Holyfield and commit some horrible foul in frustration ?

If the fight proceeded without illegal incident i would simply expect Roberto to Draw Tony's youthful sting Early, Correct him with Conters, Perhaps making Tony feel that he is one big effort from making Roberto Crack, But Roberto would probably be playing Savage Possum !

Once Tony starts to Huff and Puff, and has realised that Roberto has been feeding him that mirage of Victory, he knows that that impeceptable smile playing around the lips of Roberto was not his imagination.. it Dawns on him, as he looks into those cold black Eyes...Bottomless pits of menevolent Fistic Evil ...That Sneer that Says welcome to Hades...Come on Down.... Tony knows he is now going to make the acquintance of a real ring bad Man.

Petulant Boy against Ruthless Man ..the writing was on the wall all along
- one just had to look on the walls of anywhere but San Antone !

Tony has this Rep in some quarters as a Lt Middle ring Destroyer, was he really any better than Messrs Hilton Moore Drayton or Acquino ? Not to mention Beast Mugabi or The Hawk Jackson ! ?

You got it in one:good It's hilarious for anyone to even think that ayala had a chance:lol: only that old gobshite Lou Duva would & his quote about Duran/Leonard/Hearns/Hagler all quaking in their boots about having to face Ayala:rofl

Welcome too the real world of pain, mental & physical Tony:yep If ever someone was made for Duran it was ayala, jeezus, you can see it know, the slow sadistic dismemberment & duran just loving every minute of it & especially around the 5th when ayala realises that he's a dead man walking, he'd crack, he'd never been anywhere like this before & having one of the most violent sadistic animal's of a man in the ring just sneering & grinning at him would fuck him up, like all bullies, there's always a bigger one & they don't come any bigger/badder/nastier that the "High priest of Violence"

Ayala would be smashed to bits by 7 rounds, he ai'nt the skills/savvy to last any longer & especially when he's facing someone who's sole intent is to maim him in good style & who just so happens to be a great boxer while he's at it:p

Ayala would never fight again after being butchered by Duran & when ayala was interviewed after leaving prison he said if he'd fought duran he'd have to KO him in 4 or he'd lose, he knew the truth:deal

Anyone here who thinks ayala would beat Duran obviously ai'nt been around that long or worse;)