Muhammad Qawi vs. Rocky Marciano 15 rounds@185 cw, both prime , who wins and how ?

[frankenfrank]

a catchweight of 185 convenient for both. 180 for those who prefer it.
as long as you consider both prime at the weight.
15 rounds.
a hard question.
marciano was knocked down by moore and walcott.
i believe that qawi is significantly better at least than moore for sure , even h2h and of course p4p.
remember qawi took holyfield the distance and i doubt if holyfield deserved the decision there.
also remember his foreman fight. he really made george look like what he really ever been .

[Flea Man]

No, Qawi is not better than Moore or Charles.

[TommyV]

You're a retard. Please fuck off.

[Duodenum]

Foreman decked Ike with an illegal kidney punch. Rocky would hit him with plenty of those. Marciano's double hook was deadly against Matthews, and Dwight was forced into retreat by the hook of Johnny Davis. Qawi's way out of his league here.

[Mr Butt]

marciano ko not much to be added to that or what was said above

[frankenfrank]

You're a retard. Please fuck off.
get back to the lounge. the tranny threads scream for you.

[frankenfrank]

No, Qawi is not better than Moore or Charles.
i did not say he was better (h2h) than charles. did not even mention charles.
mentioned only the two i know KD'd marciano. and qawi would have beaten moore this way or another.

[Flea Man]

Qawi would NOT have beaten Moore.

well, I actually favour Qawi to last the distance and put up a fight, even though Marciano was also short Qawi's fast bob and weave would allow him not to ship too much punishment, and his fast bludgeoning punches would earn The Rocks respect to an extent, but Marciano just clearly being the superior fighter around this weight sees him take the last five rounds in a bruising battle, 11-4 type decision, Qawi stunned in the last two rounds.

[Seamus]

i believe that qawi is significantly better at least than moore for sure , even h2h and of course p4p.



wow.

[frankenfrank]

wow.
so you think moore would have lasted 7 rounds with foreman when overweight , spastic , and out of shape ? or last 15 rounds in an actual draw or even a close win over holyfield at 190 ? or stop 'neon' leon in 6 ? or lose a close decision to michael spinks ? (the last two are possibilities but we will never know)

[frankenfrank]

Qawi would NOT have beaten Moore.

well, I actually favour Qawi to last the distance and put up a fight, even though Marciano was also short Qawi's fast bob and weave would allow him not to ship too much punishment, and his fast bludgeoning punches would earn The Rocks respect to an extent, but Marciano just clearly being the superior fighter around this weight sees him take the last five rounds in a bruising battle, 11-4 type decision, Qawi stunned in the last two rounds.
so you can see him lasting the distance with marciano (i am not saying it is impossible) but can't see him beating moore ?
moore lost a decision to burley. was KO'd by charles. by patterson FFS.
moore was a hugely massive lhw who made a career out of cutting weight - exactly the opposite of p4p.

[Mr Butt]

:nutcase:clown

[Seamus]

so you think moore would have lasted 7 rounds with foreman when overweight , spastic , and out of shape ? or last 15 rounds in an actual draw or even a close win over holyfield at 190 ? or stop 'neon' leon in 6 ? or lose a close decision to michael spinks ? (the last two are possibilities but we will never know)

First of all, saying Moore would have done these things does not equate to saying Moore would or would not have beaten Qawi. Those are two distinct issues.

Secondly, I think Moore would have performed as well or better than Qawi in each of the fights listed above.

Thirdly, I would pick Moore to by late KO over Qawi in a 15 rounder.

[frankenfrank]

First of all, saying Moore would have done these things does not equate to saying Moore would or would not have beaten Qawi. Those are two distinct issues.

Secondly, I think Moore would have performed as well or better than Qawi in each of the fights listed above.

Thirdly, I would pick Moore to by late KO over Qawi in a 15 rounder.
so you pick the archie moore who was KO'd by Jimmy Bivins and KOBY1 Leonard Morrow to last more than 7 rounds against foreman and to beat a young evander holyfield at 190 ?

[AlFrancis]

so you pick the archie moore who was KO'd by Jimmy Bivins and KOBY1 Leonard Morrow to last more than 7 rounds against foreman and to beat a young evander holyfield at 190 ?


Have you ever seen Moore fight?

[Seamus]

so you pick the archie moore who was KO'd by Jimmy Bivins and KOBY1 Leonard Morrow to last more than 7 rounds against foreman and to beat a young evander holyfield at 190 ?

I pick the Archie Moore who KO'd 131 men.

If Qawi had fought over 200 fights in Moore's era (more like eras) he would have had many more losses to fly by night fighters that we could discuss.

[AlFrancis]

so you pick the archie moore who was KO'd by Jimmy Bivins and KOBY1 Leonard Morrow to last more than 7 rounds against foreman and to beat a young evander holyfield at 190 ?


Moore's career in a nutshell!

[frankenfrank]

Have you ever seen Moore fight?
no. but assuming you did , what was so special about his technique ?
i did see qawi fight .

[frankenfrank]

Moore's career in a nutshell!
it was just a reminder.
i also did not bring all of qawi's achievements

[AlFrancis]

no. but assuming you did , what was so special about his technique ?
i did see qawi fight .


Just do yourself a favour and watch some of his fights. Be honest with you I rate Qawi and think I he would give Archie a real tough fight but when you use examples like the ones you've just used your just gonna open yourself to ridicule.

[AlFrancis]

no. but assuming you did , what was so special about his technique ?
i did see qawi fight .

Here's a recent post i made about Moore on a different thread.


Just watched Moore vs Bivins 5 last night. The pair of them just oozed class. Feinting, slipping, sliding and some great exchanges. Don't know how much they got for it but I was thinking this would definitely be a ppv today and money well spent. Moore put him down in the 9th with a right uppercut and it looked like Bivins hit the canvas with his face injuring his eye

[PowerPuncher]

I think he'd give Marciano a tough fight but ultimately lose a decision, Qawi had a hell of chin, very good defense and excellent counter puncher which would upset Marciano's rythm. But the Rocks workrate and strength would tell down the stretch he'd break Qawi down hurt him to the body and win a UD

[AlFrancis]

I think he'd give Marciano a tough fight but ultimately lose a decision, Qawi had a hell of chin, very good defense and excellent counter puncher which would upset Marciano's rythm. But the Rocks workrate and strength would tell down the stretch he'd break Qawi down hurt him to the body and win a UD


i would agree with you. Framk used Qawi's performance against Foreman as an indication of how he would go against marciano. Marciano brings a different set of problems than the big powerful but slower Foreman. Marciano is faster, sets a faster pace and is also powerful and a 185 qawi is gonna feel them shot's. Marciano by late stoppage for me in a war.

[frankenfrank]

i would agree with you. Framk used Qawi's performance against Foreman as an indication of how he would go against marciano.
no. i used it to compare him to moore in response to the belief that moore was better than him. it was a comparison to moore's hypothetic fights against foreman (and also holyfield in that comparison).

[mcvey]

a catchweight of 185 convenient for both. 180 for those who prefer it.
as long as you consider both prime at the weight.
15 rounds.
a hard question.
marciano was knocked down by moore and walcott.
i believe that qawi is significantly better at least than moore for sure , even h2h and of course p4p.
remember qawi took holyfield the distance and i doubt if holyfield deserved the decision there.
also remember his foreman fight. he really made george look like what he really ever been .

I don't think there is much point in going further with this.

[kenmore]

I don't think Marciano would have much trouble with Qawi. Qawi would fight with The Rock.