MY scorecard for MAB/JMM...

[Jinx]

i scored this fight a draw, and the fight had a feeling to it like it was supposed to be a draw, because neither fighter broke away from the other...

RD 1: MAB 10-9...close rd, but MAB landed the cleaner shots more often

RD 2: MAB 10-9...same as previous rd

RD 3: JMM 10-9...JMM starting to land his right hand; but still a close rd

RD 4: JMM 10-9...a clear rd to JMM

RD 5: JMM 10-9...another clear rd to JMM

RD 6: MAB 10-9...MAB back to jabbing, seems to catch a second wind and wins the rd clearly altho JMM had his moments

RD 7: EVEN 9-9...MAB scored a kd, and had a point deducted for hitting JMM while he down...too bad the ref didn't count the kd for MAB, but JMM was hurting MAB before the kd so i scored it 9-9

RD 8: EVEN 10-10...both fighters landing often and trading evenly...neither had a clear edge, too close to call

RD 9: MAB 10-9...yet another close rd, but MAB won most of the exchanges

RD 10 JMM 10-9...JMM took clear control; MAB looked tired

RD 11 JMM 10-9...same as 11th

RD 12 MAB 10-9...MAB edged out this close rd by winning the first 2 mins of the rd clearly

114-114 a DRAW is what a judge with 20/20 vision should've seen IF Nady would've done his fuckin job in rd 7...since he didn't, rd 7 had to be a 10-8 for JMM on the cards, so i would've had it 115-113 for JMM with the bogus rd...

there were many close rds in this fight, but i felt that there was a clear winner in these rds except for rds 8 and 7...MAB got jobbed by Nady badly in the 7th, what the hell was Nady doing? and the judge who had it like 117-111 for JMM, no clue how anyone could've come up with that type of score either way...

[Jinx]

Barrera could have gotten disqualified for his cowardly act so he should be thankful that Nady gave him a chance.

Nady is the one who blew it, because had he counted the obvious KD and sent MAB into a neutral corner, MAB wouldn't have had the chance to hit JMM while he was down...MAB waited for Nady, Nady did nothing so MAB punched...

[charlievint]

I actually had it for MAB by a round but it was a very close fight....I think MAB and JMM proved they still have it in them but MAB impressed me more...he's been in the game longer, faught better fighters, more wars and still was able to (IMO) Beat the younger and a great technician like JMM. Prime for Prime MAB would beat JMM but today and tomorrow JMM would have the edge....I think that last fight may have been MAB last great preformance....we'll see how he doesn against PAC.

[brooklyn1550]

I had it 116-111 for Marquez...I could also see 115-112 Marquez, but there were some close rounds. Overall, I think JMM deserved to win the fight.

[Shane_Erich]

I don't remember my exact scorecard, but I had Marquez winning by at least a couple points. My buddy I was watching it with had Barrera winning by a couple points, but he loves Barrera and is blind when he scores fights for fighters he likes.

[divac]

Nady is the one who blew it, because had he counted the obvious KD and sent MAB into a neutral corner, MAB wouldn't have had the chance to hit JMM while he was down...MAB waited for Nady, Nady did nothing so MAB punched...You want to have it both ways, you say it was an obvious KD, but then why in the hell would MAB act is if he was going to punch, stop, and then recock to unload a punch on a fighter who was obviously on the canvas.

The KD was'nt counted because by the way JMM went down, with his hands outstretched to break a fall, it looked to alot of people that JMM had slipped.
Nady's position kept him from seeing the punch land, and when he saw JMM trying to break his fall by outstretching his hands, he insinuated that he had slipped while punching.

There is absolutely no excuse for punching at a fighter who is down on the canvas, no matter where the heck the ref might be at the time.
If a fighter is on the canvas, you dont punch at him. Plain and simple!

[Jinx]

You want to have it both ways, you say it was an obvious KD, but then why in the hell would MAB act is if he was going to punch, stop, and then recock to unload a punch on a fighter who was obviously on the canvas.

The KD was'nt counted because by the way JMM went down, with his hands outstretched to break a fall, it looked to alot of people that JMM had slipped.
Nady's position kept him from seeing the punch land, and when he saw JMM trying to break his fall by outstretching his hands, he insinuated that he had slipped while punching.

There is absolutely no excuse for punching at a fighter who is down on the canvas, no matter where the heck the ref might be at the time.
If a fighter is on the canvas, you dont punch at him. Plain and simple!

MAB got a point deducted for the blow, he payed his debt...Nady still blew a call that caused a 3-point swing in the scoring...i don't give a damn WHY or HOW Nady missed the call, the point is he failed to make a call he was supposed to make...that's why damn every other sport uses instant replay to make the correct calls...

[jopez707]

MAB got a point deducted for the blow, he payed his debt...Nady still blew a call that caused a 3-point swing in the scoring...i don't give a damn WHY or HOW Nady missed the call, the point is he failed to make a call he was supposed to make...that's why damn every other sport uses instant replay to make the correct calls...

I agree horrible missed knockdown call bye Nady, it was a 3 point turnaround, I scored it a draw like you without the knockdown, with the knockdown a close win for Barrera.

[4Rounder]

MAB got a point deducted for the blow, he payed his debt...Nady still blew a call that caused a 3-point swing in the scoring...i don't give a damn WHY or HOW Nady missed the call, the point is he failed to make a call he was supposed to make...that's why damn every other sport uses instant replay to make the correct calls...

Correction, its 2 points, one for losing the round and another for the illegal blow.

[bachatu]

You know what the funny thing is....Barrera shows his true colors when he was complaining to Larry Merchant about how they didnt score the knock down and how he won.... Larry said hey but you hit him on the head while he was on the canvas.. Barrera said no i didnt.. I forgot if he said it skinned him or he same some BS that Merchant repeated it with sarcasm.
I think Barrera knew at that point he was loosing, and that was his only chance of sealing the deal was by making sure Marquez was down by hitting him again. I think he lost it. If you look at the knock down, Jay Nadey was already trying to push Barrera off, but he went ahead and hit him again.

And there have been fighters known to be DQ'd after pulling a stunt like that...lucky he didnt get DQ'd for the foul.

[Dekkers]

Even with the KD Marquez won the round, KD makes it 9-9, point deduction makes it 9-8 in Marquezs' favour... rounds aren't automatically scored 10-8 in the favour of someone who scores a KD.

[boxbox]

i thought JMM won, scored it similar to brooklyn, and MAB being a dirty fighter is not new to me...wasn't the ref's fault this time.

[compukiller]

I had Mab by a hair, but no argument against JMM winning by a point or two (the judges were crazy with those wide scores).

[Robbi]

I had it 116-111 for Marquez...I could also see 115-112 Marquez, but there were some close rounds. Overall, I think JMM deserved to win the fight.

Agreed. Marquez between 2-5 points is about right.

[mad_takamura]

Barrera could have gotten disqualified for his cowardly act so he should be thankful that Nady gave him a chance.
idiot. he could not stop his hand from hitting jmm while he was down.
it's just reflexes:what's on the mind it's too late to stop,especially at a heated fight with heated exchanges, things like that are possible to happen.
you are definitely just a blind jmm nuthugger. :patsch

[the_what]

I thought Barrera won the fight. And controlled JMM with his jab through most of the fight.

[mad_takamura]

You want to have it both ways, you say it was an obvious KD, but then why in the hell would MAB act is if he was going to punch, stop, and then recock to unload a punch on a fighter who was obviously on the canvas.

The KD was'nt counted because by the way JMM went down, with his hands outstretched to break a fall, it looked to alot of people that JMM had slipped.
Nady's position kept him from seeing the punch land, and when he saw JMM trying to break his fall by outstretching his hands, he insinuated that he had slipped while punching.

There is absolutely no excuse for punching at a fighter who is down on the canvas, no matter where the heck the ref might be at the time.
If a fighter is on the canvas, you dont punch at him. Plain and simple!
agreed.a lot of people also said that on the tv especially on the replay that jmm slipped after being hit to the jaw. nice point.:good

[mad_takamura]

I thought you were an OK pacfan but im starting to think that you're a bit of a moron.

He couldn;t help himself did you say? :nut Too late to stop? are you sure you even saw the fight, no huh?

Reflex my ass dude, Barrera pulled the trigger about 10 seconds after the knockdown so what does reflex have anything to do with it?

Calling me a nuthugger? ROFL Whatever dumbass. 10 seconds? that's pretty long :huh ...what i mean it's too late to stop by his reflexes, he knew what he was going to do was wrong but he could'nt stop it, the momentum was there..it's like when you are hitting with a combo and when you think that the ref did not stop you, you go for it. he was just carried away by the intensity of the fight and that's it: im just surprised that you would call mab cowardly but when you see the fight it was'nt really like that.
i doubt if you ever saw the fight...:huh

[mad_takamura]

My man, this post right here just proves that you never saw the fight, either that or you;re fairly new to this sport, and im not trying to diss you..

Let's say fighter A throws a 3 punch combination on fighter B, and fighter B goes down on the second punch, and due to the momentum, the third punch lands when B is clearly down.. In this situation, it wasn't intentional so you can claim that it happened in the heat of the moment and momentum but that's not what happened in Marquez/barrera..

Marquez was clearly knocked down, and barrera was even standing there just looking at him for a few seconds and decided to sneak in that last punch after few seconds of hesitation.

SO what you're telling me doesn't even make sense bro..
the ref did not call it a kd: that's why mab continued it..he hesitated but when the ref did not call it he continued on..

[Marnoff]

there were many close rds in this fight, but i felt that there was a clear winner in these rds except for rds 8 and 7...MAB got jobbed by Nady badly in the 7th, what the hell was Nady doing? and the judge who had it like 117-111 for JMM, no clue how anyone could've come up with that type of score either way...

Well, when you acknowledge that there were "many close rounds", then you it should be clear to you how 117-111 is possible. It just means this judge saw those close rounds going Marquez's way. Sometimes there can be six consecutive close rounds, where maybe you saw them all one way, another saw them all another way, and another had them even. That's just how scoring goes, and sometimes it creates lopsided scoring in admittedly close fights.

[Morrissey]

It baffles me hard how anyone can see this as a MAB win..

Well, it only proves how sentimental they are...

[mad_takamura]

ok black im sorry if i called you an idiot, i just did that because you werent answering my questions on why jmm was fagging off to hamed that's why i got a little bit irritated...
don't worry i have indeed watched the fight and i think so are you and my opinion still stands..

[mad_takamura]

the ref did not call it a kd: that's why mab continued it..he hesitated but when the ref did not call it he continued on..
for me this is still momentum. it's the ref's fault anyways at the first place

[the_what]

Yeah. I thought the knockdown was huge. I dont even think that Brokeback Marquez would have made it up had Nady given him the proper 10 count.

[mad_takamura]

True Nady could have made a better decision but Marco has been fighting since 16 bro, he should know better than any other fighter that once your opponent is down on his fist and knees, you stop getting crazy and go to a nuetral corner.

It's not like his combination was in motion and couldn't be stopped. After knocking JMM downwith a single punch, he stood there looking down at him and pull the trigger a few seconds too late.

Marquez is supposed to be his Hombre too.
"hombres" are nothing inside the ring. it's strictly competition. i believe jmm will think that it's just competition that have mab doing that.

[the_what]

Brokeback Marquez? Da heck, Marquez is a killer from Mexico city homey, aka El Mariachi, he's taking names foo!!!!!

Cotto is the real Brokeback u feel me? He just loves getting his cheeks massaged, butt cheeks that is, by his male trainer.. LOL.. I heard it's a ritual thing..

Miguel " Brokeback " Cotto

Marquez has a fetish for little Chinese men.

And again with the Cotto paranoia :yep

[mad_takamura]

They're just very close friends you know? Marquez has too much of a killer in him to be a flamed out homo.

I introduce to you, the new Finito, El Dinamita Marquez..

Cotto is a dead man walking..
cotto is manly while jmm loves those who are manly..:yep

[boxbox]

that was a legit KD, and definitely JMM was hurt from that punch..while MAB, (desperate i think) did that with full knowledge that it was illegal...still did it...even taunting JMM while he was down..not the ref's fault..

[brooklyn1550]

A fighter like Barrera should know not to hit an opponent when he is down. But in the heat of the moment, adreneline is running through their body and they want to take that extra swing without even thinking about it. Nady should have got there faster to get Barrera to a neutral corner. I didn't like the assignment of Nady to this fight...

[charlievint]

It baffles me hard how anyone can see this as a MAB win..

Well, it only proves how sentimental they are...

Seems like you are baffled easily then. IMO MAB won by a round. I feel Mab controlled the fight consistantly with his ring generalship and educated jab. Not to say JMM didn't fight well or make it VERY competitive...he just didn't do enough especially with the KD.

[divac]

One thing is sure when talking boxing......you know they're grasping at straws when all someone has to make a point that a particular fighter in thier opinion won a fight.....they usually say, "he had an educated jab".....and "he was the ring general in there!"

.......:lol: it never fails with these straw graspers!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :yep