Liddell paid $500,000 for loss, Jardine $14,000 for win.

[concrete sledge]

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[scurlaruntings]

Ok..

[BewareofDawg]

$7,000 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

If you do the calculation, I wonder how much Dana White makes per fight :admin

$7,000 is down right disgusting :deal

[tliang1000]

ugly performance by chuck. He was throw shots like an amatuer.

[concrete sledge]

$7,000 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

If you do the calculation, I wonder how much Dana White makes per fight :admin

$7,000 is down right disgusting :deal

I agree.

[safe_pa]

ow Dana let go of that tight grip you have on your cheque books balls!

[Hrak]

I wonder why UFC fighters get paid so little, with all the physical damage they aquire, that money is chump change. Most Boxing Gate Keepers get more than what UFC main eventers get.

[BewareofDawg]

If he fights 4x's a year that would be $28,000 guarunteed and $56,000 after bonuses. How does he survive while also paying for the necessary training?????

[geppy]

Forrrest Griffin made 12,000, woow. He also won the winners bonus that no one expected him to get , and made a total of 24,000.

White is so damn cheap, it is shame he has a monopoly over American mma. Even assume it was a very weak PPV, as sometimes the UFC gets over 1 million PPV buys! Say that UFC 76 got 400,000 buys at 49.95, that is about 20 million dollars, plus millions from the live gate. And White pays his fighters this shit!

[scurlaruntings]

Heroes pay there mainstays more than this drivel. Welcome to the monopoly of MMA.. These are some of the wonderful benefits that go with the UFC consolidating every org in site.

[Beebs]

Forrest made 40k for sub of the night, probably much more than that in other non purse contract money.

The fighters make more than their fight purse, how many times does this need to be said? Some sources list Jardines actual take home pay closer to 100k.

[geppy]

Forrest made 40k for sub of the night, probably much more than that in other non purse contract money.

The fighters make more than their fight purse, how many times does this need to be said? Some sources list Jardines actual take home pay closer to 100k.

What sources is that ? Show us then .

[Beebs]

What sources is that ? Show us then .

I've got no idea, just message board material, not sure how true it is.

But I do know that forrest made a bare minimum of $64k. Fighters make more money than their fight purses or even the sub/ko/fight of the night bonuses, I thought this was pretty well accepted by now.

[geppy]

I've got no idea, just message board material, not sure how true it is.

But I do know that forrest made a bare minimum of $64k. Fighters make more money than their fight purses or even the sub/ko/fight of the night bonuses, I thought this was pretty well accepted by now.

What makes you think "message board material " is a more relaible source then articles written by professioanl journalists covering a story?

[Beebs]

What makes you think "message board material " is a more relaible source then articles written by professioanl journalists covering a story?

No, the article says his purse was 7 + 7, I believe that was the contracted fight purse. I have no doubt he gets other money from Zuffa than fight purses.

[geppy]

No, the article says his purse was 7 + 7, I believe that was the contracted fight purse. I have no doubt he gets other money from Zuffa than fight purses.

You dont see anything wrong with a fighter being brought in by a multimillion dollar PPV revenue earner, to lose for 7,000 in the main event?

Lets be honest , no one expected Jardine to get an extra 7,000 $ for winning.

[Beebs]

You dont see anything wrong with a fighter being brought in by a multimillion dollar PPV revenue earner, to lose for 7,000 in the main event?

Lets be honest , no one expected Jardine to get an extra 7,000 $ for winning.

Apparantly Jardine doesn't. If you want to believe that all he made that night was 14k, fine, but its not what happened. Plus he will now get a new contract, you know, those things you voluntarily sign that determine your future fight purses, and it will be bigger than his last one.

If Jardine could be making more money somewhere else, he probably would be, its the free market.

[geppy]

Apparantly Jardine doesn't. If you want to believe that all he made that night was 14k, fine, but its not what happened. Plus he will now get a new contract, you know, those things you voluntarily sign that determine your future fight purses, and it will be bigger than his last one.

If Jardine could be making more money somewhere else, he probably would be, its the free market.

Where do you think all this extra money comes from? Huh? If White thinks Jardine is worth only 7,000, how much do you think (who ever it may be company) thinks Jardine is worth for the advertisement. Endorsing products or whatever, still that is entirely seperate from being paid to fight. White pays his fighters shit.

[ufoalf]

Listen, beebs, these "extra" bonuses are bullshit. Only 1 fighter gets them. Best sub, best ko, best fight. People at lower levels who get 10k or less perfight do NOT get any sponsorship you speak off nor any percentage of the ppv or the gate. Even if they did get percentage it would be so minimal that they would get like 5k extra. Thats nothing for an athlete who is 100% committed a sport.
Injuries WILL prevent them from competing often.

Instead of this bullshit they should have a purse where a winner gets 75% loser gets 25%, THEN we'll see Liddell actually TRY. The guy wasn't doing shit the whole fight except getting kicked. He had no motivation cause he's gona get the money anyways.

[geppy]

I am sure Jardine had all sorts of sponsors , and endorsements after getting KTFO in one round by Alexander, lol . He was brought in to get knocked out the same again, but Liddell is utterly shot.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

$7,000 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

If you do the calculation, I wonder how much Dana White makes per fight :admin

$7,000 is down right disgusting :deal
That doesn't even come close to showing how much Jardine actually made. These guys get hooked up with huge endorsment deals, and the UFC pays to offset the rest.

[Beebs]

Listen, beebs, these "extra" bonuses are bullshit. Only 1 fighter gets them. Best sub, best ko, best fight. People at lower levels who get 10k or less perfight do NOT get any sponsorship you speak off nor any percentage of the ppv or the gate.

Those are not what I am talking about, although thats 160k assuming theres at least 1 sub and 1 ko per card, I am saying that they get paid as employees of a company, not just for their fights.

Not all of the money they get has to be reported to the Athletic Commisions, they are not the IRS, how many fighters have to say this until people accept it?

Both the fighters and the Organizaton have reasons for wanting to keep the fighters total income private, its legal to do so, so it only makes sense that this is what is done.

When K1 holds tournaments in the US, the fight purses are like 1k each, do you actually believe thats all those fighters are making as well?

[geppy]

That doesn't even come close to showing how much Jardine actually made. These guys get hooked up with huge endorsment deals, and the UFC pays to offset the rest.

Who are all these sponsors? If they are paying all this money and no one knows who the fuck they are, obviously it is not working out too good. I have seen Liddell in Xcience or whatever it is commercials. Not too much else. Especially for average fighters like Jardine.

[Beebs]

Who are all these sponsors? If they are paying all this money and no one knows who the fuck they are, obviously it is not working out too good. I have seen Liddell in Xcience or whatever it is commercials. Not too much else. Especially for average fighters like Jardine.

Chuck's on record as saying the Xyience deal made him a millionaire.

[geppy]

Chuck's on record as saying the Xyience deal made him a millionaire.

It is niave to think that all these mid-card, average fighters are getting so much money from endosements. Like any sport , only the best players are going to get the big endorsements. Alot of the mid-card fighters probably get small deals to cover training in such. You dont see bench warmers in the NBA pitching shoe commercials. Regardless , endorsemants is seperate from being paid to play in the NBA. Which NBA players bank in, and the UFC pays shit.

Like Jardine was paid 14,000 $, but was paid 86, 000 $ in endosements for his ability to fight.

[Beebs]

It is niave to think that all these mid-card, average fighters are getting so much money from endosements. Like any sport , only the best players are going to get the big endorsements. Alot of the mid-card fighters probably get small deals to cover training in such. You dont see bench warmers in the NBA pitching shoe commercials. Regardless , endorsemants is seperate from being paid to play in the NBA. Which NBA players bank in, and the UFC pays shit.

Like Jardine was paid 14,000 $, but was paid 86, 000 $ in endosements for his ability to fight.

Well if they are average, they are replaceable, so why pay them as much?

Again, its not endorsements I'm talking about, its the fact that they get money from the UFC that is not part of the fight purse.

[Beebs]

dp

[audio101]

Don king pays his fighters more, even after he steals most of it.

[amhlilhaus]

the fighters won't say, because dana will blacklist them, and they're probably embarrassed to be getting screwed to that degree.

I came across an old ring magazine where anthony jones, an obscure contender made 125 thousand dollars to fight pernell whitaker, a top boxer but one considered 'boring' in 1990. how many ufc fighters make the kind of money a slightly above average WELTERWEIGHT boxer made fighting a non drawing champion 17 YEARS ago.

endorsements, bonuses my fucking ass, dana and the freitas are making a huge killing, and they're fucking the fighters, who put up with it because like the famous gambler said to his friend 'bill, don't you know this game is rigged?' and he says 'I know it, but it's the only game in town'.

[kel]

Are we talking Gross or Net earnings here?

[amhlilhaus]

Are we talking Gross or Net earnings here?

does it matter? liddell made a decent purse, but his opponent made less than 3% what he did, and that's only because he WON.

[AJAX]

If Jardine only made 14,000 for his win and fights 3-4 times a year he would be bankrupt. The cost of training full time is huge not to mention nutrition costs and every thing else. They make alot more than those numbers suggest or they wouldn't be able to afford to get to the arena for the fight.

[kel]

does it matter? liddell made a decent purse, but his opponent made less than 3% what he did, and that's only because he WON.

Yes it does matter and i'm guessing you don't know :deal

[achillesthegreat]

$14k is disrespectful. He isn't as big as Chuck but if you pay him $14k that means he doesn't deserve to be in a main event.

[BewareofDawg]

They have to be getting some other money. You cannot live off of that. UFC also has to be paying for their contracted fighters training expenses also.

[ufoalf]

They have to be getting some other money. You cannot live off of that. UFC also has to be paying for their contracted fighters training expenses also.

A lot of lower grade fighters have other jobs. I.E they would be coaches in Dojos etc.

[amhlilhaus]

Yes it does matter and i'm guessing you don't know :deal

evidently you missed the point of my post. whether or not these guys get bonuses, endorsements whatever, they're fighters, and they're not making nearly enough doing what they're training for, fighting.

[Donut62]

That doesn't even come close to showing how much Jardine actually made. These guys get hooked up with huge endorsment deals, and the UFC pays to offset the rest.

The masses of forum retards still haven't figured this out. Babalu has said his bonus for fighting Chuck the second time was 250,000, handed to him in envelope after the fight by Dana White. Randy said his bonus was 7 figures for his recent fights. Jardine made his damn money too, Greg Jackson said Jardine got paid an ample amount for his performance in bonus.

They do it this way because it hides their financial capabilities from other orgs that will try to bargain away their fighters. All you fucking business wizards should just stroll down to Zuffa and try running the UFC and we'll see where you get.

[ufoalf]

Until I see some fucking proof i will take fighters words over yours or Dana Whites.

[Beebs]

Until I see some fucking proof i will take fighters words over yours or Dana Whites.

Fighters like Babalu and Randy Couture?

[Donut62]

Until I see some fucking proof i will take fighters words over yours or Dana Whites.
Find me some fighters words going the other way. Every interview I have heard all the fighters say is how well the UFC takes care of them. There are enough options with deep pockets like EliteXC, K-1, Bodog, and Strikeforce that the UFC has to do what it can to keep them happy. It's really none of our business what these guys make, as far as I'm concerned it's between the org and the fighter. If they are in the ring, then obviously an agreement satisfactory to both parties was reached at some point.

And I didn't see any of this bitching when K-1 holds it's Las Vegas card and evert fighter gets reported as being paid $2,000 or when Pride as well published completely bogus payouts. Here is the NSAC reported Pride Real Deal payouts:

Fedor Emelianenko ($100,000) def. Mark Coleman ($70,000)
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua ($25,000) def. Kevin Randleman ($40,000)
Josh Barnett ($60,000) def. Pawel Nastula ($20,000)
Butterbean ($30,000) def. Sean O'Haire ($15,000)
Dan Henderson ($50,000) def. Vitor Belfort ($30,000)
Phil Baroni ($15,000) def. Yosuke Nishijima ($15,000)
Kazuhiro Nakamura ($10,000) def. Travis Galbraith ($2,000)
Robbie Lawler ($10,000) def. Joey Villasenor ($3,000)

Wow, looks just the UFC's. Fedor, the greatest fighter in the world, got 1/5 of what most top guys get reported in the UFC. In reality he was pocketing over a million. These athletic comission numbers don't mean shit.

[ufoalf]

"Under the pressure
of literally not being able to pay next months bills I made a choice. I had to
fight and did whatever I could to do so" - Hermes Franca.
Plus, when i talked to him he said something like he lives from paycheck to paycheck since he doesn't have any jobs.

Obviously they're gona take care of guys who bring Zuffa money. Liddell and Couture are their boys.

Believe me Franca isn't alone in UFC who lives from paycheck to paycheck. I just think it would be nice to raise those guy's salary a little bit. I'm sure guys like Couture and Liddell are just fine with 500k per LOSS.

[Donut62]

"Under the pressure
of literally not being able to pay next months bills I made a choice. I had to
fight and did whatever I could to do so" - Hermes Franca.


He was saying this in an attempt to get out of being caught with steroids, so I take that for what it's worth.

[ufoalf]

He was saying this in an attempt to get out of being caught with steroids, so I take that for what it's worth.
Like i said i asked him that in person, he said the above. I'll take it with much more assurance than yours and beebs' "UFC takes good care of their fighters."

He WAS already caught when he wrote the letter. Also, it is impossible to get out of suspension and fine for using drugs. Everyone knows it including him. So even the idea that his plea guilty would set him free is ridiculous.

That said, lets remind ourselves that he WAS fighting for THE UFC BELT. At the time he WAS number 2 in UFC light weights. Dunno about you, but IMO number 2 in ANY division shouldn't be living from paycheck to paycheck. Not MMA, not in todays age.

[nrgetic]

Any plastic surgeons amongst us? Those nasty cuts must cost a bucketload to get fixed eg Forrest Griffin's cut so whatever the UFC fighters get paid I figure there are a lot of outgoings

[Beebs]

Any plastic surgeons amongst us? Those nasty cuts must cost a bucketload to get fixed eg Forrest Griffin's cut so whatever the UFC fighters get paid I figure there are a lot of outgoings

Medical bills are covered.

[ufoalf]

Medical bills are covered.
Yea, it's a good thing. There is twist though. It covers only the injuries that accured in fight ONLY. So, it doesn't work like health insurance, if you get hurt in training its your own problem.

The health bill per card would probably run them 150k on average.

I don't think cut would really require plastic surgeon...

[nrgetic]

I don't think cut would really require plastic surgeon...

Its not for cosmetics but to ensure the scare (or the tissue beside the cut) does not create a potential source of future cuts

[ufoalf]

Its not for cosmetics but to ensure the scare (or the tissue beside the cut) does not create a potential source of future cuts

I see. So, they get plastic surgeons to avoid scaring?

[sprite]

how come the top boxers make 20X more than the top ufc fighters?

[chimba]

The masses of forum retards still haven't figured this out. Babalu has said his bonus for fighting Chuck the second time was 250,000, handed to him in envelope after the fight by Dana White. Randy said his bonus was 7 figures for his recent fights. Jardine made his damn money too, Greg Jackson said Jardine got paid an ample amount for his performance in bonus.

They do it this way because it hides their financial capabilities from other orgs that will try to bargain away their fighters. All you fucking business wizards should just stroll down to Zuffa and try running the UFC and we'll see where you get.,

Your an idiot If that was the case, the IRS will be in their asses..What the fuck are you talking about handing money in an envelope and they're letting the world know about it.:huh . Yo Taxman, just got me under the table money $250k go and find me...stupid! And why the hell will they hide how much they pay their fighters:huh :patsch

They get paid the purse and maybe their expenses. Now a car here or there yes but $250k in an envelope? To Babalu who is about to starve hes begging for a job? Remember Hermes Franca...He was such in financial difficulty he had to stop fighting and tend his gym in FLA.

What are you talking about??

[Beebs]

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Your an idiot If that was the case, the IRS will be in their asses..What the fuck are you talking about handing money in an envelope and they're letting the world know about it.:huh . Yo Taxman, just got me under the table money $250k go and find me...stupid! And why the hell will they hide how much they pay their fighters:huh :patsch

They get paid the purse and maybe their expenses. Now a car here or there yes but $250k in an envelope? To Babalu who is about to starve hes begging for a job? Remember Hermes Franca...He was such in financial difficulty he had to stop fighting and tend his gym in FLA.

What are you talking about??

The money is still reported to the IRS, just not the Athletic commisions, who have no reason to be told of it unless it is part of a contracted fight purse.

[T.C.W]

the size of these PPV 400 000 and 1 milion these fighters are getting short changed and UFC keeps this shit up they will be fucked in 5 years. They need to start paying there stars the big money or there will be trouble.

[nrgetic]

The fact that Chuck Liddell got away with his open, wide punching stye is not a ringing endorsement of the skill level of his opponents. In a boxing ring that style would be exposed very quickly. I am glad he got exposed as being very one dimensional

[Dostoevsky]

Damn, I actually kinda feel sorry for Jardine and Forrest, thats so little money for what they go through, if they got payed more then the physical damage would be easier to stomach.

[Nawfal]

ufc marquee fighter makes 500k? thats a joke.

i think people will start splitting from UFC and you will get different promotors eventually.

[amhlilhaus]

ufc marquee fighter makes 500k? thats a joke.

i think people will start splitting from UFC and you will get different promotors eventually.

which would be a good thing.

[achillesthegreat]

ufc marquee fighter makes 500k? thats a joke.

i think people will start splitting from UFC and you will get different promotors eventually.
New orgs are coming into existence - Elite X, Cage Rage, all this new bollocks.

Eventually MMA will go down the same road as boxing and boxers. Wait till they are multi millionaires and start avoiding fights.

[Club Fighter]

Dana White has the most impressive submissions in the game. I've personally seen him choke the purse out of every single fighter to enter the octagon. It's actually quite impressive. It's amazing how much you'll sacrifice for fame.

[amhlilhaus]

Dana White has the most impressive submissions in the game. I've personally seen him choke the purse out of every single fighter to enter the octagon. It's actually quite impressive. It's amazing how much you'll sacrifice for fame.

lol

btw love the avatar