Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales I (Genero Hernandez Commentary)

[Addie]

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[bladerunner]

I have that version,Hernandez is a very good commentator and another one that has the fight for Barrera just like HBO had and the Sky Sports crew had.

[Mantequilla]

Barrera won this by at least 4 points imo.Far higher quality of punching on display from him.

[WhataRock]

I never get sick of watching this fight...easily in my top 10 favorite slugfests of alltime.

[PowerPuncher]

Barrera won this by at least 4 points imo.Far higher quality of punching on display from him.

Agreed I had it 8-4 MAB could have been 9-3. 1 of the greatest fights of all time too

I'd disagree with Addie who said his prime came later, I think MABs prime was this fight, because while being technically and defensively smooth at this time he also had more heart, I don't think he ever really went to war the same way again he lost his desire for war after this fight

How did everyone else score it other than Bill Butcher

[Addie]

Agreed I had it 8-4 MAB could have been 9-3. 1 of the greatest fights of all time too

I'd disagree with Addie who said his prime came later, I think MABs prime was this fight, because while being technically and defensively smooth at this time he also had more heart, I don't think he ever really went to war the same way again he lost his desire for war after this fight

How did everyone else score it other than Bill Butcher

I think Barrera's prime was from 1998-2003.

[bladerunner]

Agreed I had it 8-4 MAB could have been 9-3. 1 of the greatest fights of all time too

I'd disagree with Addie who said his prime came later, I think MABs prime was this fight, because while being technically and defensively smooth at this time he also had more heart, I don't think he ever really went to war the same way again he lost his desire for war after this fight

How did everyone else score it other than Bill Butcher

I feel the same way,after this fight he went to a boxer-puncher mode and even in the few times he went to war like in the third fight with Morales he could no longer sustain a high pace for twelve rounds like he did in they're first fight.

[anarci]

I had Barrera by 2 points. I was fortunate enough to attend this fight, Barrera was a 2to1 favorite right before the night of the fight. I put 100$ on Barrera about a 2hours before fight time. Got robbed along with Barrera.

[Addie]

I had Barrera by 2 points. I was fortunate enough to attend this fight, Barrera was a 2to1 favorite right before the night of the fight. I put 100$ on Barrera about a 2hours before fight time. Got robbed along with Barrera.

Commentary seem to think Marco was a 6-1 underdog.

[Addie]

I feel the same way,after this fight he went to a boxer-puncher mode and even in the few times he went to war like in the third fight with Morales he could no longer sustain a high pace for twelve rounds like he did in they're first fight.

But he waged his best ever performances around 1998-2003.

Paul Llyod, Jesus Salud, Morales I, Hamed, Sanchez, and he was as good as ever against Tapia.

[PowerPuncher]

But he waged his best ever performances around 1998-2003.

Paul Llyod, Jesus Salud, Morales I, Hamed, Sanchez, and he was as good as ever against Tapia.

I think he clearly looked past prime in Morales 2, and it wasn't because of what Morales did but because MAB lost a step for me

[Addie]

I think he clearly looked past prime in Morales 2, and it wasn't because of what Morales did but because MAB lost a step for me

:verysad Marco looked as good physically as he ever had done, but his tactics against a Morales, who was trying to box too, didn't make either of them look good. His stamina was still in tact, as was his hand speed, and combination punching. I didn't see any signs of Marco having faded.

[anarci]

Commentary seem to think Marco was a 6-1 underdog. :nono Well apparently they were wrong Addie! Unless ive gone senile at 39:roll::lol:No one would know better than yours truly. Maybe he opened up that wide but come fight time it was exactly 2 to 1. As was already counting my chips since i thought Barrera would pull it off,if it was 6 to 1 i surely would have been even more pist.

I still dont see how it was ever 6to1,because although many thought Barrera was on the downslide and Morales peaking there is no way it was that wide if so i would have put way more money down Anyways i knew diffrent since Barrera was on a roll and seemed to have been his old self again after the Jones fights,he was blowing out guys in between those fights.

To be honest i wasnt as impressed with Morales back then as everyone else (after I came around) was,and Barrera was one of my 2 favorite fighters at the time,along with Oscar and Vargas. SO i was betting with my head and my heart. I put my money at the fight site not no other casino,Mandalay Bay sports book.

[PowerPuncher]

:verysad Marco looked as good physically as he ever had done, but his tactics against a Morales, who was trying to box too, didn't make either of them look good. His stamina was still in tact, as was his hand speed, and combination punching. I didn't see any signs of Marco having faded.

How do we know his stamina was as good given he didnt fight at the same tempo against the same class of opponent again? Even if it was Barrera had lost his blood lust and changed from a pressure fighter to boxer puncher. Regardless above 122lbs just wasnt Barreras division

[anarci]

ok Addie just heard what they said,I guess he did open up that wide but as i said i put my money down 2hours before fight time,and alot of money from knowledgable fans must have come in late as -600 was ridiculous. It was -200 by fight time. I dont know if you have been to Vegas or know gambling but the odds will shorten when money comes in for the underdog cause they wanna cover their casinos wanna cover their asses.

[essexboy]

Barrera won this by at least 4 points imo.Far higher quality of punching on display from him.

Agreed I had it 8-4 MAB could have been 9-3. 1 of the greatest fights of all time too

I'd disagree with Addie who said his prime came later, I think MABs prime was this fight, because while being technically and defensively smooth at this time he also had more heart, I don't think he ever really went to war the same way again he lost his desire for war after this fight

How did everyone else score it other than Bill Butcher

I had it 116-112 as well although it should have been a point closer as it wasnt a knockdown at the end. Classic fight.

[Addie]

How do we know his stamina was as good given he didnt fight at the same tempo against the same class of opponent again? Even if it was Barrera had lost his blood lust and changed from a pressure fighter to boxer puncher. Regardless above 122lbs just wasnt Barreras division

Weight class had nothing to do with it. Some of Barrera's greatest performances happened at 126lbs. Barrera was a better fighter as a boxer puncher than he ever had been as a pressure fighter. Marco beat nobody of note with the exception of Jones and maybe benavides at 122lbs, it's silly to say he was at his prime during that time.

[Bill Butcher]

I think he clearly looked past prime in Morales 2, and it wasn't because of what Morales did but because MAB lost a step for me

Of course it was, he tightened up his D compared to fight one & actually brought a jab to the table, he never engaged for sustained periods, instead choosing to box from distance.

Poor verdict if not a robbery.

Ps. I scored fight one 7-5 to Morales with at least 4 rds that could have gone either way which is why I dont argue too much with those who think Barrera won, only the morons that think he dominated Morales.


Botswana :smoke

[Addie]

Of course it was, he tightened up his D compared to fight one & actually brought a jab to the table, he never engaged for sustained periods, instead choosing to box from distance.

Poor verdict if not a robbery.

Ps. I scored fight one 7-5 to Morales with at least 4 rds that could have gone either way which is why I dont argue too much with those who think Barrera won, only the morons that think he dominated Morales.


Botswana :smoke

Sorry Bill, only a moron would consider fight 2 a definitive win either way. :verysad

I agree with you though. Barrera was prime time for Morales II. Neither fighter wanted a repeat of 2000's fight of the year, they both came to box, and it was clear that Marco did better against Morales when he engaged. He found that out the hard way, and visibly switched his gameplan mid fight to accommodate that. I don't think what Morales did was winning the fight necessarily, but Marco wasn't comfortable.

[Bill Butcher]

Sorry Bill, only a moron would consider fight 2 a definitive win either way. :verysad

I agree with you though. Barrera was prime time for Morales II. Neither fighter wanted a repeat of 2000's fight of the year, they both came to box, and it was clear that Marco did better against Morales when he engaged. He found that out the hard way, and visibly switched his gameplan mid fight to accommodate that. I don't think what Morales did was winning the fight necessarily, but Marco wasn't comfortable.

Winning 8 rds is definitive enough for me.

Ps. I know quite a few morons it seems, specifically everycunt that Ive ever shown fight 2, seriously. Everyone of my mates seen a clear Morales win & they range from casual to good boxing fans, they dont like boxing the way I do but they know enough to watch it with & not get slapped for talking wet.

:thumbsup

[Addie]

Winning 8 rds is definitive enough for me.

Ps. I know quite a few morons it seems, specifically everycunt that Ive ever shown fight 2, seriously. Everyone of my mates seen a clear Morales win & they range from casual to good boxing fans, they dont like boxing the way I do but they know enough to watch it with & not get slapped for talking wet.

:thumbsup

Tell them to take up golf, and you can hold the clubs.

[Bill Butcher]

Tell them to take up golf, and you can hold the clubs.

The majority prefer your boy too & fuck golf, I hate that shit.

:good

[Russell]

So what exactly was the point of giving Morales the win here, if the majority felt he didn't deserve it?

Of course I'm imagining the term trilogy was jingling in many peoples minds from the start... Did Morales have a larger fanbase... what?

[Bill Butcher]

So what exactly was the point of giving Morales the win here, if the majority felt he didn't deserve it?

Of course I'm imagining the term trilogy was jingling in many peoples minds from the start... Did Morales have a larger fanbase... what?

Morales was seen as the better fighter (looks like they had it right)

[Russell]

Errrrm, explain?

[Addie]

Errrrm, explain?

It's simple, Russell. Morales could have conceivably won the fight based on his work rate. The fight was close, and it ended up a Split decision. No corruption, no other reason than Morales edging out a close fight. Most of the fans sit down and score the fight for Marco because he was inflicting more damage, but there's still some who score it for Morales...Bill Butcher and his mother.

Rounds 3, 6, 7, 8, and 9 could have genuinely been scored either way in my view.

[Bill Butcher]

It's simple, Russell. Morales could have conceivably won the fight based on his work rate. The fight was close, and it ended up a Split decision. No corruption, no other reason than Morales edging out a close fight. Most of the fans sit down and score the fight for Marco because he was inflicting more damage, but there's still some who score it for Morales...Bill Butcher and his mother.

Rounds 3, 6, 7, 8, and 9 could have genuinely been scored either way in my view.

Rds 1, 4 & 11 too were arguable, thats why the fight was so great.

Ps. my mother hates boxing, shame on her :-(

[Bill Butcher]

Errrrm, explain?

I scored the 1st 2 fights for Morales & the 3rd fight even, I think Morales has the superior record outside of their trilogy too.

You really have to watch all 3 fights with no sound/commentary to score the fights properly, a lot of posters dont know the benefits of doing so, Im here to show them the light.

[Russell]

I scored the 1st 2 fights for Morales & the 3rd fight even, I think Morales has the superior record outside of their trilogy too.

You really have to watch all 3 fights with no sound/commentary to score the fights properly, a lot of posters dont know the benefits of doing so, Im here to show them the light.

You sound like a cock. :nut:lol:

[Addie]

I scored the 1st 2 fights for Morales & the 3rd fight even, I think Morales has the superior record outside of their trilogy too.

You really have to watch all 3 fights with no sound/commentary to score the fights properly, a lot of posters dont know the benefits of doing so, Im here to show them the light.

:lol: Shut up, Bill. You scored the fights that way because you love Morales, and hate Barrera. It's that simple. You even admitted it. Your always looking for reasons to give a round to Morales. Barrera didn't win the fights in the eyes of the people because of the commentary. I've listen to three different commentaries, I scored the fight the same regardless.

[Bill Butcher]

:lol: Shut up, Bill. You scored the fights that way because you love Morales, and hate Barrera. It's that simple. You even admitted it. Your always looking for reasons to give a round to Morales. Barrera didn't win the fights in the eyes of the people because of the commentary. I've listen to three different commentaries, I scored the fight the same regardless.

Ive given up the Barrera vendetta, times a healer I suppose, he`ll never make my christmas card list tho, we know that shit.

You scored all 3 fights for Barrera to be fair.

I rest my case.

:good

[Bill Butcher]

You sound like a cock. :nut:lol:

Much appreciated :D :good

[Addie]

Ive given up the Barrera vendetta, times a healer I suppose, he`ll never make my christmas card list tho, we know that shit.

You scored all 3 fights for Barrera to be fair.

I rest my case.

:good

But I concede that the first 2 fights could have gone either way.

[Bill Butcher]

But I concede that the first 2 fights could have gone either way.

And I concede that fights 1 & 3 could have gone either way, same thing is it not ?

We both agree on the nature of fight 1.... only I see fight 2 for EM in the same way you view fight 3 for MAB & you see fight 2 as close to even, thats the way I see fight 3.

My views cant be THAT crazy when you look at it like that, surely.

:good

[Addie]

And I concede that fights 1 & 3 could have gone either way, same thing is it not ?

We both agree on the nature of fight 1.... only I see fight 2 for EM in the same way you view fight 3 for MAB & you see fight 2 as close to even, thats the way I see fight 3.

My views cant be THAT crazy when you look at it like that, surely.

:good

That's the thing, I don't view fight three as you view fight 2. You gave Morales 8 rounds? Really? Fight three could have been scored a draw too I guess. Fight three is the only fight where I think the best Morales could have done was a draw. He could have won the other two. Your views on their second fight is..weird. Morales didn't look good, he didn't put on a boxing exhibition.

[Bill Butcher]

That's the thing, I don't view fight three as you view fight 2. You gave Morales 8 rounds? Really? Fight three could have been scored a draw too I guess. Fight three is the only fight where I think the best Morales could have done was a draw. He could have won the other two. Your views on their second fight is..weird. Morales didn't look good, he didn't put on a boxing exhibition.

8 rds is only one more than 7 rds (as you probably guessed :lol:) which you would accept as reasonable, we likely agree on most rds, just because I gave EM 8 rds instead of 7 doesnt mean its bad scoring on my part, its a close rd of a difference thats all.

I feel fight 2 was competitive for the majority but obviously if I end up with one fighter on 8 rds at the end, Im not gonna be celebrating the verdict, especially when it means my favourite fighter loses his undefeated record in his biggest fight, thats normal.