Genaro Hernandez

[cotto20]

What are your thoughts on genaro?

[cotto20]

Heard he had no Amateur background is that true? also remember back in the early 90's when oscar turned pro there was talk of him fighting genaro on is debut! that would of been was bad ass debut for the golden boy. One thing though hernandez was a great super featherweight

[Addie]

Heard he had no Amateur background is that true? also remember back in the early 90's when oscar turned pro there was talk of him fighting genaro on is debut! that would of been was bad ass debut for the golden boy. One thing though hernandez was a great super featherweight dont think he even lost at the weight

I'd love to bet he first one to give you some insight Iran, but Genaro is a fighter I haven't seen much off. He did lose at 130lbs though, in a fairly competitive fight with Floyd Mayweather. That would be his last fight. Maybe this thread has inspired me to have a deeper look at Hernandez.

[Mantequilla]

He was a good solid pro.A standup technician that did most things competently without having many standout attributes.A notch or two below an Esparragoza, say.

Out of his depth against bigger DLH and was notcieably slower and past his best by the time he lost to Floyd.Not that he would ever have won.

[cotto20]

I'd love to bet he first one to give you some insight Iran, but Genaro is a fighter I haven't seen much off. He did lose at 130lbs though, in a fairly competitive fight with Floyd Mayweather. That would be his last fight. Maybe this thread has inspired me to have a deeper look at Hernandez.
Av notice your a big fan of mexican fighters so you should try and watch some hernandez fights

[Mantequilla]

Watch Guty Espadas first:good

[Addie]

Av notice your a big fan of mexican fighters so you should try and watch some hernandez fights

:lol: Strictly coincidence mate. Mexican fighters just seem to have all the attributes I most admire. Some people think I'm a closet Mexican lol.

[EleventhHour]

People tend to cite Hernandez as one of PBF's most important victories so I'd love to hear what more people on the Classic Forum have to say about him.

You guys are much smarter.

[Seamus]

I saw a lot of Genaro in the early 90's. These guys are selling him a bit short. He was a very well-rounded fighter. Tight defense, good jab, hard hooks, a bit of creativity at times. He wasn't a great KO guy but was still punishing. About a third of his fights were title fights. He defended somewhere around 12 times over two reigns (too lazy to look it up). His two losses were to the much younger and bigger de la Hoya and to the very much younger and bigger Mayweather when Genaro was used up. Had he the managerial guile of a Mayweather, he could have easily retired undefeated (though lighter in the wallet).

[My2Sense]

Good, solid titleholder who is mainly remembered (perhaps unfairly) for saying "No mas" against two legends-in-the-making. His biggest/best win was his decision victory over Azumah Nelson, who was nearing 40 years old but still a champion and considered dangerous.

[My2Sense]

People tend to cite Hernandez as one of PBF's most important victories so I'd love to hear what more people on the Classic Forum have to say about him.


He was generally considered worn out by the time Mayweather got to him and ready to be taken.

[Russell]

Good, solid titleholder who is mainly remembered (perhaps unfairly) for saying "No mas" against two legends-in-the-making. His biggest/best win was his decision victory over Azumah Nelson, who was nearing 40 years old but still a champion and considered dangerous.

Oh yes, no mas all right. He had a horribly broken nose against Hoya which he had before even taking the fight, suffered against Mosely in sparring.

Vasquez is a quitter for what he did in the first Marquez fight, with the same injury, right?

[lefthook31]

He was a good solid pro.A standup technician that did most things competently without having many standout attributes.A notch or two below an Esparragoza, say.

Out of his depth against bigger DLH and was notcieably slower and past his best by the time he lost to Floyd.Not that he would ever have won.
Could he very well be one of the first of the stand up Mexican technicians?

[My2Sense]

Vasquez is a quitter for what he did in the first Marquez fight, with the same injury, right?

I don't know, I never saw that fight.

I don't know why you bring up random irrelevant fights when another fight is being discussed, either.

[john garfield]

Saddens me to read about Genaro. Spoke with him when i learned he had a rare neck and brain cancer. He recognized the battle he was in, but he was the same gentleman he's always been, and his only thoughts were for his wife and two young kids.

He's a credit to the game.

[ricardinho]

Heard he had no Amateur background is that true? also remember back in the early 90's when oscar turned pro there was talk of him fighting genaro on is debut! that would of been was bad ass debut for the golden boy. One thing though hernandez was a great super featherweight

Yes the fight was supposed to happen but Genaro destroyed Raul Perez with a devastating liver punch--Oscar quickly backed off. Oscar also announced he was going to fight Azumah Nelson--that fell through as well.

I met him at the press conference for ODLH v Chavez I have to say he is a real gentleman.

Seamus is right Genaro was a solid fighter he had a bad hand and his boxing skills allowed him to win.

[Seamus]

Saddens me to read about Genaro. Spoke with him when i learned he had a rare neck and brain cancer. He recognized the battle he was in, but he was the same gentleman he's always been, and his only thoughts were for his wife and two young kids.

He's a credit to the game.

I heard he'd doing better. Is this true? I hope so. He seemed like a real class act.

[nastynas]

He was generally considered worn out by the time Mayweather got to him and ready to be taken.

I disagree. Hernandez was a solid favorite over Mayweather, with the odds doing the traditional narrowing as fight time approached.

[nastynas]

I heard he'd doing better. Is this true? I hope so. He seemed like a real class act.

He is. His recovery has been nothing short of amazing as he became badly discolored and frail.

[ricardinho]

He is. His recovery has been nothing short of amazing as he became badly discolored and frail.

At one point he became blind... so if he is recovering . . . WOW!!!

[anarci]

He was a good solid pro.A standup technician that did most things competently without having many standout attributes.A notch or two below an Esparragoza, say.

Out of his depth against bigger DLH and was notcieably slower and past his best by the time he lost to Floyd.Not that he would ever have won. I dont think Esparragoza was any better than Chicanito,he hit harder but Hernandez was probably the better boxer.
ODLH was too strong for Hernandez,but I thought Chicanito still won a couple of round. From I what I remember it was pretty close before Delahoya broke his nose. I do agree that he was past his prime when he fought Mayweather,I also agree that it wouldnt have made much of a differance although he would have probably lasted the distance

I think Hernandez is kind of underrated,I also think He is borderline HOF.

[GPater11093]

Saddens me to read about Genaro. Spoke with him when i learned he had a rare neck and brain cancer. He recognized the battle he was in, but he was the same gentleman he's always been, and his only thoughts were for his wife and two young kids.

He's a credit to the game.

heard he was getting better, was on the radio show On The Grind and appeared to be i better helth speaking about his new role as the CompuBox guy

[Russell]

I don't know, I never saw that fight.

I don't know why you bring up random irrelevant fights when another fight is being discussed, either.

Are you dense? :lol:

I was playing devils advocate to your "no mas" statement.

A broken nose resulted in a TKO with one of the gutsiest fighters of the past few decades in Irsael Vasquez, similar to the Hoya/Hernandez fight. It was a direct parallel.

Irrelevant alright. :patsch

[My2Sense]

Are you dense? :lol:

I was playing devils advocate to your "no mas" statement.

A broken nose resulted in a TKO with one of the gutsiest fighters of the past few decades in Irsael Vasquez, similar to the Hoya/Hernandez fight. It was a direct parallel.

Irrelevant alright. :patsch

It has nothing to do with the fight or fighters being discussed, so yes it is irrelevant.

And wasn't the fighter who originally coined the phrase "No mas" one of the gutsiest of all time?

I have no idea what your point is supposed to be.

[Russell]

You are honestly fucking dumb if you think elaboration on something you brought up is irrelevant.

[TBooze]

Genaro was a stand up, classy guy; almost too good for this sport.

He was not without talent, and had an excellent ticker when the going got tough.

He only ever lost to the very best, thus he was, as mentioned by many, very good.

[My2Sense]

You are honestly fucking dumb if you think elaboration on something you brought up is irrelevant.

Where exactly is your "elaboration"? All you've done is ask me about some random fight I've never seen that doesn't concern any of the fighters I was discussing.

[Russell]

Where exactly is your "elaboration"? All you've done is ask me about some random fight I've never seen that doesn't concern any of the fighters I was discussing.

My point since first replying to your post was that, as you said, it's very unfair to label Genaro someone who had a "no mas" moment.

I then asked if anyone would label Irsael Vasquez, maybe the ultimate blood and guts fighter in the game today, a quitter because of what happened with his broken nose.

[My2Sense]

I then asked if anyone would label Irsael Vasquez, maybe the ultimate blood and guts fighter in the game today, a quitter because of what happened with his broken nose.

From what I remember, there was fair amount of criticism for his "quitting." In the lead-in to the rematch, part of the build up focused on whether Vazquez could/would "redeem" himself.

Besides, who was the fighter that the phrase "No mas" was coined for? You wouldn't describe him as a "blood and guts" fighter otherwise?

[Russell]

Neither Hernandez or Vasquez quit like Duran chose to in Leonard/Duran II.

He turned his back and in the very most literal sense quit.

[My2Sense]

Neither Hernandez or Vasquez quit like Duran chose to in Leonard/Duran II.

He turned his back and in the very most literal sense quit.

You just said it was wrong to describe a fighter as "quitting" if he's shown himself to be a "blood and guts warrior" otherwise.

Duran was as blood and guts as they come.

[elmaldito]

At 130lbs Genaro was the man. DLH wouldnt fight him at 130 cause he knew better. Genaro told me he had 3 amatuer fights and i also heard it on one of his fight broadcasts on prime ticket. In my opinion Genaro is the most underrated boxer of my time. Checkout the nelson fight. Nobody including whitaker schooled azumah the way chicanito did. He was a masterful boxer and an even better father, husband, and person. You will never meet a more respectful, humbled, polite man in the world. I would see him in the grocery store and talk to him for 30 minutes to an hour just about boxing. He didnt have the too cool attitude or anything. He had time for everyone. I wish him and his family the best. Check out the gerena fight. It was a barnburner.

[elmaldito]

I dont think Esparragoza was any better than Chicanito,he hit harder but Hernandez was probably the better boxer.
ODLH was too strong for Hernandez,but I thought Chicanito still won a couple of round. From I what I remember it was pretty close before Delahoya broke his nose. I do agree that he was past his prime when he fought Mayweather,I also agree that it wouldnt have made much of a differance although he would have probably lasted the distance

I think Hernandez is kind of underrated,I also think He is borderline HOF.
Mosley fractured his nose in 3 places 2 weeks before the fight at east la college. I was there. Hernandez woulda boxed esparagozas ears off. BORDERLINE HOF....hahahahahahaahha. ring mags jr lightweight of the decade in the 90's who lost only twice in competitive fights to dlh and mayweather. You are off your ass buddy! Hes in the fuckin HOF if gatti is. Trust me.

[anarci]

Mosley fractured his nose in 3 places 2 weeks before the fight at east la college. I was there. Hernandez woulda boxed esparagozas ears off. BORDERLINE HOF....hahahahahahaahha. ring mags jr lightweight of the decade in the 90's who lost only twice in competitive fights to dlh and mayweather. You are off your ass buddy! Hes in the fuckin HOF if gatti is. Trust me. Check this out Maldito. Im very aware of his career accomplishments, I have also met him and his brother Rudy on numerous occasions along with the Real Big one(i forgot his name) I used to see Genaro at the LA Boxing(no longer there) gym all the time Of off Olympic&Washington in the same parking lot as the Olympic Auditorium. Saw him spar with Zack Padilla never caught him and Shane sparring but it was around that same time. I also said that he was a better boxer than Esparragoza so you aint telling me nothing new.
As for HOF well borderline means that he will probably get in. I just think it will take a while since there are other top notch guys that arent in. Shit Danny Lopez barely got in and he retired 27 f---ing years ago! For as great as Chicanito was,Lopez was more known due to more TV exposure and had at least the same resume and a bigger equalizer! A true One punch knockout artist.
Also i never stated that Gatti should get in,and if he does than I agree that Chicanito was the better fighter. IF Barry Mcguigan is in believe me Chicanito should be in too.
Where in LA are you from?

[elmaldito]

Check this out Maldito. Im very aware of his career accomplishments, I have also met him and his brother Rudy on numerous occasions along with the Real Big one(i forgot his name) I used to see Genaro at the LA Boxing(no longer there) gym all the time Of off Olympic&Washington in the same parking lot as the Olympic Auditorium. Saw him spar with Zack Padilla never caught him and Shane sparring but it was around that same time. I also said that he was a better boxer than Esparragoza so you aint telling me nothing new.
As for HOF well borderline means that he will probably get in. I just think it will take a while since there are other top notch guys that arent in. Shit Danny Lopez barely got in and he retired 27 f---ing years ago! For as great as Chicanito was,Lopez was more known due to more TV exposure and had at least the same resume and a bigger equalizer! A true One punch knockout artist.
Also i never stated that Gatti should get in,and if he does than I agree that Chicanito was the better fighter. IF Barry Mcguigan is in believe me Chicanito should be in too.
Where in LA are you from?
Im from mission viejo. Ive been to the old la boxing w genaro. I trained with him when he was planning on making a comeback and fighting terrible morales. Bummer that fight didnt happen.

[Cobra33]

Alot of people don't know that De LA Hoya wouldn't fight Hernandez at 130.At 135 De LA Hoya was just too big for Hernandez.But at jr.lightweight Hernandez was king.He only lost to great boxers.Did anyone ever see him spar with Sugar Shane?If so how was the sparring session?

[anarci]

I never saw Him spar with Shane,but i was around LA boxing gym around the time they did and from what I hear he did very well, I saw him spar with Zack Padilla and Hernandez held his own did,but Zack was very aggressive. Zack also used to do well with Shane even get the better some times but Shane is responsible for ending Padillas career due to a bloot clot in his brain. All the guys use to go at it with eachother when they were already world class,or champions. Oscar also sparred with Genaro when he was a hot shot Amatuer and supposedly got the best of him (depending on who you believe) there was animosity between the 2 for the longest time.