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cotto20
12-08-2009, 10:16 PM
There is always arguments on who is the best Middleweight of all time. Opinions vary from Robinson, Greb, Monzon, Ketchel Hagler.

Have you say.....:good

POLL TO COME!
WhataRock
12-08-2009, 10:18 PM
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cotto20
12-08-2009, 10:27 PM
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Boilermaker
12-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Fitzsimmons.
Bummy Davis
12-08-2009, 11:38 PM
Greb for me
Boxed Ears
12-09-2009, 01:17 AM
Koki Kameda.
Sweet Pea
12-09-2009, 02:11 AM
Greb was the most accomplished ever natural middle, but Monzon was the best champion to reign at the weight, IMO.
Rise Above
12-09-2009, 05:24 AM
Greb is my pick.
PowerPuncher
12-09-2009, 06:04 AM
As you said BEST and not biggest legacy it has to be Jones Jr without a doubt
red cobra
12-09-2009, 06:35 AM
Monzon.
HomicideHenry
12-09-2009, 06:38 AM
Greb, no doubt. However, had Ketchell never been murdered, its arguable the man could have reigned a decade more---there simply were no middleweights in that time who could have stood up to his punching power, and in the era of 20-45 round fights, I dont see many lasting that long against him.
janitor
12-09-2009, 07:36 AM
I have to go with Greb here.

Fitzsimmons is a close second.
haglerforever
12-09-2009, 09:43 AM
marvin hagler, the guy was what boxings all about.both hands, chin, heart.would have had more title defences than monzon if any champ gave him an earlier shot at title.leonard & the pussycats stole his belt in the end,tragidy......
Stevie G
12-09-2009, 10:48 AM
I would say Marvin Hagler or Carlos Monzon. Sugar Ray Robinson was better than those two,pound for pound,but he was at his very best as a welterweight.
redrooster
12-09-2009, 10:52 AM
probably Hagler (1977-83)

either him or Monzon
Bill Butcher
12-09-2009, 10:54 AM
Another hidden poll, this is getting ridiculous now :-(

I voted for Ray fuckin Robinson because I dont see any MW beating the version that stopped JLM.

Im out !
redrooster
12-09-2009, 11:01 AM
Another hidden poll, this is getting ridiculous now :-(

I voted for Ray fuckin Robinson because I dont see any MW beating the version that stopped JLM.

Im out !


and stay out
Bill Butcher
12-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Just popped in to make sure rooster wasnt making an ass of himself again......

Im out for good this time :hi:
redrooster
12-09-2009, 11:15 AM
Just popped in to make sure rooster wasnt making an ass of himself again......

Im out for good this time :hi:

stay out of ESB-period. your posts are a f'ing joke
Tin_Ribs
12-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Greb was the most accomplished ever natural middle, but Monzon was the best champion to reign at the weight, IMO.

Aye.
Bad_Intentions
12-09-2009, 02:23 PM
Monzon.
Minotauro
12-09-2009, 02:26 PM
Greb
China_hand_Joe
12-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Roy Jones Jr.

Had Roy, Hopkins, Reid and whoever had existed back in Grebs time, I doubt many of us would have heard of Harry, perhaps only as a mid-range win of the aforementioned fighters.
Minotauro
12-09-2009, 02:34 PM
Monzon.

Who is that in your sig?:hey
essexboy
12-09-2009, 02:44 PM
Harry Greb, then Monzon, then Hagler. Bob Fitzsimmons should be on that poll though rather than Dempsey imo.
Mr Butt
12-09-2009, 03:53 PM
greb or hagler for me
GPater11093
12-09-2009, 04:23 PM
no Dick Tiger in the poll
cotto20
12-09-2009, 05:56 PM
no Dick Tiger in the poll

Wanted to put him in, but cound't have no more than ten in the poll.
GPater11093
12-09-2009, 05:57 PM
fair enough

BTW afew motnhs ago we did an ESB Middleweight Tourny and Monzon won
cotto20
12-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Interesting that no one has voted for Nonpareil Jack Dempsey or Stanley Ketchel.....:think
cotto20
12-09-2009, 05:59 PM
fair enough

BTW afew motnhs ago we did an ESB Middleweight Tourny and Monzon won

Yeah I no, WhataRock told me right after I had done the thread.....:patsch

Who did he beat in the final?
GPater11093
12-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Hagler but if i remember Charley Burley and Tiger Flowers got to the semis
Bill Butcher
12-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Hagler but if i remember Charley Burley and Tiger Flowers got to the semis

Who eliminated Robinson more to the point ? :huh
GPater11093
12-09-2009, 06:07 PM
Who eliminated Robinson more to the point ? :huh

beleive it or not Fitzsimmons by 7 round KO who then got shut out by Burley
Boilermaker
12-09-2009, 06:56 PM
beleive it or not Fitzsimmons by 7 round KO who then got shut out by Burley
And rightly so to.

Robinson has no hope of doing what Fitzsimmons did as a middleweight.
Popkins
12-09-2009, 07:02 PM
As you said BEST and not biggest legacy it has to be Jones Jr without a doubt

Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!
China_hand_Joe
12-09-2009, 07:09 PM
Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!


What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
cotto20
12-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!

Yeah. But Lamotta was a accomplished Middleweight.

He did defeat Robison do he had a huge weight advantge. And all 6 fights between him and Robinson were lose hard fought affairs, besides the 13th round of the last bout, were Lamotta was servely weight drained.

He also defeated Fritzie Zivic, Tommy Bell, Holman Williams, Marcel Cerdan, Tiberio Mitri, Laurent Dauthuille, and Gene Hairston.

Thats a damn right solid Middleweight resume.......
Tin_Ribs
12-09-2009, 08:46 PM
What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?

The equalizer that left ultra tough Nino Benvenuti a shattered sack of bone and muscle in the corner for one. As well as patience, timing, technical proficiency, inhuman stamina, resilience and championship experience at the weight.
Popkins
12-10-2009, 11:33 AM
What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?

:-( It's not often you see a post as bad as this in the Classic Forum. Have you ever seen Monzon fight? I sincerely doubt it.
red cobra
12-10-2009, 12:29 PM
What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
Monzon had the ability to use the 15 round distance in a most effective and cruel manner, and coupled with that right of his, he would have stopped Jones before the end of the 14th round. Monzon's right, which bludgeoned Nino Benvenuti would have connected with Jone's chin...and the rather chinny RJJ would have been stopped.
turpinr
12-10-2009, 12:49 PM
hagler
Vantage_West
12-10-2009, 12:57 PM
toss up between monzon and hagler. i prefer hagler. i think he looks and fights better. where as monzon seems clumsy and ungainly. i know that shouldnt be the deciding factor but they are so close in terms of achivement i base my views on haglers allrounded abilty
laxpdx
12-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Greb, Hagler, Monzon...in that order.
lolb
12-11-2009, 05:06 AM
I would say Hagler just ahead of Monzon.

I havn't read enough about Greb to form an opinion on him yet.
Flea Man
12-11-2009, 05:12 AM
Hagler.
johnmaff36
12-13-2009, 02:22 PM
I voted SRR too quickly,had his welterweight acheivements in my mind wrongly. Would still have him in my top 3 though. Have only seen Monzon twice although im aware of his exploits so i cant really make a call on him (my old man swears by him tho). This is a hard one to call
MrMarvel
12-13-2009, 02:34 PM
Greb's stock has risen greatly in my mind over the past several weeks as I have closely studied his record. His record is astonishing. From the sound of things, on his best night he crawled all over his opponents.

But I voted for Hagler because of his dominance. He was the best middleweight for a decade. All but three of his 14 title fights went the distance. His draws and losses were mostly undeserved. He avenged all of his blemishes except the last. He destroyed some terrific fighters. He was extremely durable. He was immensely talented. He could box or brawl. He was thilling to watch. A true blue collar warrior.