winky did it, so can pavlik !

[platnumpapi]

if winky can back jermain up and keep him in the corner, what the hell makes you think kelly pavlik cant do it.jermain will not run cause in all of his fights i never seen him run before but he will try to out box kelly but as soon has he gets hit, i think he will try to hit back thus turning it until a slug fest wich is better for kelly then jermain.

all the fights jermain has had he has never been a slick fighter so i dout he will start now, hes a boxer puncher and he will fight kelly toe to toe and get koed.
bout time he feels kellys power it will be to late for him to box and become a slick fighter i think.

kelly will just hunt him down and take him out or the fight will be stoped.after this fight jermain will wish he was fighting ouma or slick fighters like cory atleast they dont hit hard.late rd tko for kelly i think.

like i said winky backed his ass up, so kelly should , could , would back his ass up and down:bbb.

[aliwasthegreatest]

because winky can pick off shots while he moves foward. pavlik can't

[Fab2333]

because winky can pick off shots while he moves foward. pavlik can't:deal

[platnumpapi]

because winky can pick off shots while he moves foward. pavlik can't


how come kelly cant, how you gone say what kelly cant do.:huh

dont try to say winky picked of jt shots and make the shit more technical then what it really is.if kelly gets close he will let them hands go and aint to concerend with what jt will do in return.

this fight is checkers not chess.

[Alo2006]

because winky can pick off shots while he moves foward. pavlik can't

Exactly.

[platnumpapi]

Exactly.

get off his dick

[bigeddie27]

how come kelly cant, how you gone say what kelly cant do.:huh

dont try to say winky picked of jt shots and make the shit more technical then what it really is.if kelly gets close he will let them hands go and aint to concerend with what jt will do in return.

this fight is checkers not chess.

he better be concerned with what jt will do in return. pavlik aint the only one with a killer right.

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Winky's defense is impregnable. There's a possiblity that if Taylor hits Pavlik, Taylor could do some damage and stop the onslaught.
I think Pavlik has what it takes to beat Taylor, but I also think that Taylor lost 4 out his last 5 fights. If HIStory tells us anything it's that if Taylor survives, the judges will GIVE him the victory via "Bad Decisions".

Do us a favor Kelly, and knock this fraud out!

[sues2nd]

On top of that, Winky has a phenominal jab to work off of.

Winky and Pavlik are two different fighters....which means you have to fight them different ways.

This is the old....

"Well fighter A did this to him, so why cant fighter B?"

Answer - Because he isnt fighter A.

Its really as simple as that.

[MagnificentMatt]

If they do end up slugging, JT's superior speed may be the deciding factor as well..

[compukiller]

On top of that, Winky has a phenominal jab to work off of.

Winky and Pavlik are two different fighters....which means you have to fight them different ways.

This is the old....

"Well fighter A did this to him, so why cant fighter B?"

Answer - Because he isnt fighter A.

Its really as simple as that.


I was out shopping for you new avatar today, and I found the perfect one


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

It might be a little big, but I'll check for a smaller size.:yep

[Orishaman]

We might have a lot of disapointed Pavlik fans come Sunday morning....

[sues2nd]

I was out shopping for you new avatar today, and I found the perfect one


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

It might be a little big, but I'll check for a smaller size.:yep

Wow thats like 16 sets of titties....Im all over this one....:lol:

[compukiller]

Big women need love too....:lol:

[box03]

I was out shopping for you new avatar today, and I found the perfect one


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

It might be a little big, but I'll check for a smaller size.:yep The one with the red hair looks thin compared to the others

[aliwasthegreatest]

how come kelly cant, how you gone say what kelly cant do.:huh

dont try to say winky picked of jt shots and make the shit more technical then what it really is.if kelly gets close he will let them hands go and aint to concerend with what jt will do in return.

this fight is checkers not chess.

dawg miranda was even landing his ugly ass punches while kelly walked foward. Taylor actually knows how to move and place his at angles. winky DID pick off plenty of shots and blocked even more making his way in. its the reason he does very well backing fighters up like he did tito

[platnumpapi]

he better be concerned with what jt will do in return. pavlik aint the only one with a killer right.


killer right my ass. ouma said it was not shit.and loooking at the fight and seeing the type of punches he was hitting ouma with id like to believe ouma.same for spinks he could not hit spinks clean but when he did it was nothing.

we seen pavlik ko people who has jt koed ever.i thought so, so i dont want to hear shit about killer anything coming form jt you got it.

[platnumpapi]

On top of that, Winky has a phenominal jab to work off of.

Winky and Pavlik are two different fighters....which means you have to fight them different ways.

This is the old....

"Well fighter A did this to him, so why cant fighter B?"

Answer - Because he isnt fighter A.

Its really as simple as that.

there you go now making it more then what it was.winky flurried when jt back up and kept him in the corner.it was not a brilliant boxing display winky simply and i mean simple let his hands go.

jt can return fire all he wants but i bet he will feel kellys punches more then he did wrights.and i bet kelly has a better beared then winky as well.

fighter a fighter b, bs to me.jt finally got fight someone just as big as he is that can hit and want be affraid to come to him.thats what jt wants thats what hes gone get.careful what you wish for.i could be wrong but i dout it and if i am oh well.

its jt's fault in the 1st place for making it easy for me to think this way in the1st place.

gifts over hopkins twice and winky and spinks cant knock out ouma.fucked hopkins record up just to get the belts and do jack shit but get gifts all damn day long.

im black to and its damn shame that i dont care who kos taylor just has long has it happens.it dont hurt im from cincinnati 3hrs away from kelly hometown so fuck it go kelly.:bbb

[aliwasthegreatest]

now you are making it more than it was. he didn't just "let his hands go". he came in behind the jab and when he has him backing up THEN he flurried. c'mon man your smarter than sayin some shit like that.

[sues2nd]

there you go now making it more then what it was.winky flurried when jt back up and kept him in the corner.it was not a brilliant boxing display winky simply and i mean simple let his hands go.

Do you have any idea how much great footwork, a great jab and slick movement come into play when attempting to back an opponent up? It isnt always as simple as "letting your hands go" and in this case it wasnt. If you didnt see Winky starting with his jab almost everytime that he backed Jermaine up....then you should visit youtube again.

Kelly doesnt have great footwork...he doesnt have great movement...he doesnt have a great jab. HE AINT WINKY!

jt can return fire all he wants but i bet he will feel kellys punches more then he did wrights.

Pavlik (tho I feel a very good fighter) lacks severly in the fundamental department. JT is a hell of alot more accurate a puncher than Zertuche or Miranda (the two biggest names on Kelly's resume...) and with his footwork, accuracy, and his JAB...he will be able to return fire so to say...but I feel using those above things he will be able to keep him at bay and outbox him quite easily.

and i bet kelly has a better beared then winky as well.

When have you seen Winky rocked? I have no doubts about Pavlik's chin....but Winky has proven his against ATGs....not fringe journeymen and wild swinging (and ridiculously unaccurate) brawlers.

fighter a fighter b, bs to me.jt finally got fight someone just as big as he is that can hit and want be affraid to come to him.thats what jt wants thats what hes gone get.careful what you wish for.i could be wrong but i dout it and if i am oh well.

its jt's fault in the 1st place for making it easy for me to think this way in the1st place.

gifts over hopkins twice and winky and spinks cant knock out ouma.fucked hopkins record up just to get the belts and do jack shit but get gifts all damn day long.

Gifts in your eyes...its all subjective. I feel he lost to Bernard in the first one and the second one was a draw (but you could make a case for either guy). The fight vs Winky, I had a draw. The fight vs Spinks I feel was a boring fight...but a clear victory for Taylor.

And please tell me what fighter Pavlik has fought that is better than ANY of those three? Who on his resume would beat any of them?

im black to and its damn shame that i dont care who kos taylor just has long has it happens.it dont hurt im from cincinnati 3hrs away from kelly hometown so fuck it go kelly.:bbb

Not sure what race/color have to do with it....Im white and I think Taylor will win.

But again.

Winky backed Taylor up, so why cant Kelly?

Because Kelly aint Winky. Plain and simple. Cant make it any simpler than that (will he? he very well might....but we will see).

[platnumpapi]

it dont matter how boring the fight was, i wish you ould have said that 1st then i would not even had read the rest of the post.i just dont think you need to be a rocket scientist to pound on jt its that simple to me.

how did jt beat cory, cory landed more punches and through more punches in evvery round.but taylor got credited for punches landing harder then spink, wtf is that jt is the bigger stronger man of course he hits harder.spinks out boxed just ask manny.you can tell in his reactions jt was losing the fight.
winky beat jt in 7rds to 5rds all day.

he was winning the fight in hte last rd and even though he did not go for borke in the last rd jt did not either so winky won that fight.

hopkins won the 1st at worse that was a draw.draw the 2nd fight.

[mad_takamura]

it dont matter how boring the fight was, i wish you ould have said that 1st then i would not even had read the rest of the post.i just dont think you need to be a rocket scientist to pound on jt its that simple to me.

how did jt beat cory, cory landed more punches and through more punches in evvery round.but taylor got credited for punches landing harder then spink, wtf is that jt is the bigger stronger man of course he hits harder.spinks out boxed just ask manny.you can tell in his reactions jt was losing the fight.
winky beat jt in 7rds to 5rds all day.

he was winning the fight in hte last rd and even though he did not go for borke in the last rd jt did not either so winky won that fight.

hopkins won the 1st at worse that was a draw.draw the 2nd fight.
you are just wishing for pav to win when in fact winky and pav are too different boxers with 2 different styles! if pav has winky's style he could have a chance but nope. he is just an overarted 1-dimensional slugger and that's the way it is..do you think jt is dumb enough to get lured in to a slugfest?!!:patsch

[tays001]

there you go now making it more then what it was.winky flurried when jt back up and kept him in the corner.it was not a brilliant boxing display winky simply and i mean simple let his hands go.

jt can return fire all he wants but i bet he will feel kellys punches more then he did wrights.and i bet kelly has a better beared then winky as well.

fighter a fighter b, bs to me.jt finally got fight someone just as big as he is that can hit and want be affraid to come to him.thats what jt wants thats what hes gone get.careful what you wish for.i could be wrong but i dout it and if i am oh well.

its jt's fault in the 1st place for making it easy for me to think this way in the1st place.

gifts over hopkins twice and winky and spinks cant knock out ouma.fucked hopkins record up just to get the belts and do jack shit but get gifts all damn day long.

im black to and its damn shame that i dont care who kos taylor just has long has it happens.it dont hurt im from cincinnati 3hrs away from kelly hometown so fuck it go kelly.:bbb


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[tays001]

there you go now making it more then what it was.winky flurried when jt back up and kept him in the corner.it was not a brilliant boxing display winky simply and i mean simple let his hands go.

jt can return fire all he wants but i bet he will feel kellys punches more then he did wrights.and i bet kelly has a better beared then winky as well.

fighter a fighter b, bs to me.jt finally got fight someone just as big as he is that can hit and want be affraid to come to him.thats what jt wants thats what hes gone get.careful what you wish for.i could be wrong but i dout it and if i am oh well.

its jt's fault in the 1st place for making it easy for me to think this way in the1st place.

gifts over hopkins twice and winky and spinks cant knock out ouma.fucked hopkins record up just to get the belts and do jack shit but get gifts all damn day long.

im black to and its damn shame that i dont care who kos taylor just has long has it happens.it dont hurt im from cincinnati 3hrs away from kelly hometown so fuck it go kelly.:bbb


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

you must of lost some moneys on some fights but i feel you im tired of JT to i hope he gets KO'd

[brooklyn1550]

I have confidence that Pavlik will cut off the ring effectively.

[sues2nd]

I have confidence that Pavlik will cut off the ring effectively.

How???

:huh

His footwork is terrible and he doesnt have a good jab?

[mad_takamura]

they are just overrating pavlik for beating miranda. miranda ain't that special either.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

Kelly Pavlik does have a jab. It not the greatest jab in boxing. Its not even close as being as good as Winky Wright but Kelly does throw a jab and he doesn't have to have the greatest jab to get inside on JT. Kelly just needs to throw the jab to get inside. Kelly Pavlik is kinda like Miguel Cotto and I mean it by Miguel Cotto doesn't have a good right hand but he still throws it. If Kelly throw the jab and gets inside he will win.

[sues2nd]

Kelly Pavlik does have a jab. It not the greatest jab in boxing. Its not even close as being as good as Winky Wright but Kelly does throw a jab and he doesn't have to have the greatest jab to get inside on JT. Kelly just needs to throw the jab to get inside. Kelly Pavlik is kinda like Miguel Cotto and I mean it by Miguel Cotto doesn't have a good right hand but he still throws it. If Kelly throw the jab and gets inside he will win.

When I said he had no jab....I meant that its not that good....and it will NOT help him cut off the ring.

[mad_takamura]

When I said he had no jab....I meant that its not that good....and it will NOT help him cut off the ring.that's why pavlik is overrated so many people believes in him

[Brooklyn Boxer]

A Jab will help him get inside. It doesn't have to be good. If he throws the jab he gonna throw it with power. I'm telling you he is gonna get inside against JT and a jab will help you get in the in in a fight.

[psychopath]

if winky can back jermain up and keep him in the corner, what the hell makes you think kelly pavlik cant do it.jermain will not run cause in all of his fights i never seen him run before but he will try to out box kelly but as soon has he gets hit, i think he will try to hit back thus turning it until a slug fest wich is better for kelly then jermain.

all the fights jermain has had he has never been a slick fighter so i dout he will start now, hes a boxer puncher and he will fight kelly toe to toe and get koed.
bout time he feels kellys power it will be to late for him to box and become a slick fighter i think.

kelly will just hunt him down and take him out or the fight will be stoped.after this fight jermain will wish he was fighting ouma or slick fighters like cory atleast they dont hit hard.late rd tko for kelly i think.

like i said winky backed his ass up, so kelly should , could , would back his ass up and down:bbb.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Because of you people's attempt to HYPE UP Pav . . . you are turning yourself into fools. :yep

Winky did it . . . so can Pavlik? :think

Do you fucki'n realize the big difference between Winky and Pavlik? :roll: :huh

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

Two days to go amigos!

:good :hi: :bbb

[Brooklyn Boxer]

that's why pavlik is overrated so many people believes in him


How can you say he is overrated is this his only his second step up fight? Pavlik fought Miranda when nobody wanted to fight him. This fight will show if Kelly Pavlik is ready to fight at the pound 4 pound level.

[pit]

because winky can pick off shots while he moves foward. pavlik can't

and he's south paw .

[Sister Sledge]

I can't wait to see Pavlik get raped. There are so many people hugging Pavik's nuts like a pair of bikini underwear. JT is not Miranda. Miranda is no Winky. He's not even Ouma. Now it is time for Kelly to go to school. I can't believe Bob Arum mentioned Pavlik's name in the same sentence as Tommy Hearns. That's sacriligious. Arum should be hanged.

[jsimps]

Pavlik does have a pretty good jab. He has a lot of power in it. He is a natural south paw. I've seen him dictate movement with his jab. His jab is going to feel to Jermain like the best shot he received from Ouma. Plus, I don't think anybody is factoring in his ability to effectively go to the body. This might be the determining factor in this fight.

[Sister Sledge]

Pavlik is a very good young fighter, but all I hear is why he will beat Jermain. People seem to forget the JT has faced fighters who were had similar and better skill than Kelly, but Pavlik can't even hope to say that he's faced anybody on the level as Taylor. It's like JT is just gonna lay down for Kelly. This is a damn prize fight and JT is the champ. I understand people being behind their fighter, but logic has to kick in somewhere. Pavlik is gonna be in for the fight of his life. This ain't gonna be easy. People seem to forget that JT can punch when he wants to, and somehow I get the feeling that he's gonna want to show that part of his repertoire come Saturday night. This will not be a walk in the park for Kelly and any stretch of the imagination.

[bigeddie27]

killer right my ass. ouma said it was not shit.and loooking at the fight and seeing the type of punches he was hitting ouma with id like to believe ouma.same for spinks he could not hit spinks clean but when he did it was nothing.

we seen pavlik ko people who has jt koed ever.i thought so, so i dont want to hear shit about killer anything coming form jt you got it.

have you ever seen any of Jermain's fights after he was done on the olympics. He was starching people one after another with his right hand. Kinda similar to what Pavlik was doing to his oppenents. If anything, JT's right is better than Pavlik's. And of course ouma is going to say it wasnt shit, the guy has never been knocked out (maybe down but not out). And spinks, well the guy has some great defence. I guess what I am really trying to say is that Pavlik vs Jermains opposition ends up with Pavlik losing to alot of the guys Jermain beat. It is going to be a sad day for you when Pavlik hits the deck. Taylor is going to win by Knockout - remember where you heard it first.

[bigeddie27]

Pavlik is a very good young fighter, but all I hear is why he will beat Jermain. People seem to forget the JT has faced fighters who were had similar and better skill than Kelly, but Pavlik can't even hope to say that he's faced anybody on the level as Taylor. It's like JT is just gonna lay down for Kelly. This is a damn prize fight and JT is the champ. I understand people being behind their fighter, but logic has to kick in somewhere. Pavlik is gonna be in for the fight of his life. This ain't gonna be easy. People seem to forget that JT can punch when he wants to, and somehow I get the feeling that he's gonna want to show that part of his repertoire come Saturday night. This will not be a walk in the park for Kelly and any stretch of the imagination.

I dont think the resume really plays of anything important here. If you took away JT's last 4 oppenets, JT still beats Pavlik. Pavlik is just extremly easy to hit. Pavlik has a height advantage every fight but does not seem to utilize it to his advantage. JT is going to capitalize on that. But people are sleeping on JT thats for sure.

[BITCH ASS]

How???

:huh

His footwork is terrible and he doesnt have a good jab?

I think he has a good jab.

He's a natural left hander and his jab hurts his opponents.

It's a telling sign when your opponents get hurt by a jab.

[bigeddie27]

Pavlik does have a pretty good jab. He has a lot of power in it. He is a natural south paw. I've seen him dictate movement with his jab. His jab is going to feel to Jermain like the best shot he received from Ouma. Plus, I don't think anybody is factoring in his ability to effectively go to the body. This might be the determining factor in this fight.

yeah but JT's jab is better than Pavlik. Once kelly throws his jab expect JT to come right back with his. Pavlik aint gonna want to use that jab anymore.

[BITCH ASS]

Pavlik does have a pretty good jab. He has a lot of power in it. He is a natural south paw. I've seen him dictate movement with his jab. His jab is going to feel to Jermain like the best shot he received from Ouma. Plus, I don't think anybody is factoring in his ability to effectively go to the body. This might be the determining factor in this fight.

Exactly.

Taylor won't be able to move around the ring that much when he feels Kelly's HARD left hooks to the body.

[bigeddie27]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Because of you people's attempt to HYPE UP Pav . . . you are turning yourself into fools. :yep

Winky did it . . . so can Pavlik? :think

Do you fucki'n realize the big difference between Winky and Pavlik? :roll: :huh

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

Two days to go amigos!

:good :hi: :bbb

yeah the hype on this guy is ridiculous. I remember after miranda people on here were saying pound for pound champ and how he was going to be the greatest fighter ever.

[BITCH ASS]

yeah the hype on this guy is ridiculous. I remember after miranda people on here were saying pound for pound champ and how he was going to be the greatest fighter ever.

You never heard me saying that.

I said that Pavlik would knock Miranda the fuck out.

Miranda was made for Pavlik.

[bigeddie27]

Every scenario for this match has been covered, one you bitches will come out looking like a genius.

lol, that was pretty funny. It is almost a 50/50 fight though. I like taylor by knockout, but kelly has some tools (mainly his right) to definetly get it done. I think it is going to turn out to be a war. I am glad I got my tickets already.

[Sister Sledge]

I dont think the resume really plays of anything important here. If you took away JT's last 4 oppenets, JT still beats Pavlik. Pavlik is just extremly easy to hit. Pavlik has a height advantage every fight but does not seem to utilize it to his advantage. JT is going to capitalize on that. But people are sleeping on JT thats for sure.

I just think that JT can beat this guy on experience alone. JT has been through some extremely tough fights these past 3 years and knows how to win. Just because he hasn't knocked anybody lately doesn't mean anything. He had Winky in some trouble in their fight. Yeah, he hasn't been aggressive, so what. He has won, and that's all that matters. JT is big, has a great jab, and can hit hard. He is a great offensive fighter when he utilizes everything that is in his arsenal. The fact that he will be able to hit Pavlik easier than defensive minded fighters like Spink, Wright, Hopkins and Ouma will be make all the difference in the world. Before he fought these tough guys, everybody was claiming he was a beast. It all "What have you done for me lately" BS. Pavlik looks good, no doubt, but I wonder if people are showing their support for him moreso because of the color of his skin rather than just his boxing prowess alone. I have to say this because it was the same story on this website when Gatti fought Mayweather.

[Boinko]

Every scenario for this match has been covered, one you bitches will come out looking like a genius.

Funny, I just wrote this exact thing in another thread and then read it here.

Despite the fact that the fight is split pretty much 50/50 on this board, if Pavlik does KO Taylor or Taylor UDs Pavlik, except to see plenty of "i told you sos" after the fight.

It's not like one of the guys is a huge underdog and him winning would be an amazingly bold prediction.
But, you'll get guys on here acting like it was.

[bigeddie27]

Funny, I just wrote this exact thing in another thread and then read it here.

Despite the fact that the fight is split pretty much 50/50 on this board, if Pavlik does KO Taylor or Taylor UDs Pavlik, except to see plenty of "i told you sos" after the fight.

It's not like one of the guys is a huge underdog and him winning would be an amazingly bold prediction.
But, you'll get guys on here acting like it was.

excellent point.

[jsimps]

Pavlik is a very good young fighter, but all I hear is why he will beat Jermain. People seem to forget the JT has faced fighters who were had similar and better skill than Kelly, but Pavlik can't even hope to say that he's faced anybody on the level as Taylor. It's like JT is just gonna lay down for Kelly. This is a damn prize fight and JT is the champ. I understand people being behind their fighter, but logic has to kick in somewhere. Pavlik is gonna be in for the fight of his life. This ain't gonna be easy. People seem to forget that JT can punch when he wants to, and somehow I get the feeling that he's gonna want to show that part of his repertoire come Saturday night. This will not be a walk in the park for Kelly and any stretch of the imagination.

I agree that Kelly is going to be in for a helluva fight and by far his toughest to date, but I feel he can handle the pressure and come out with a victory.

[Stezzie]

I agree that Kelly is going to be in for a helluva fight and by far his toughest to date, but I feel he can handle the pressure and come out with a victory.

Thats called wishing on a star...PAVLIK WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE TAYLOR'S JAB...that alone will begin to slow Pavlik down by the 4rth round. Pavlik is much slower than Taylor but nobody even wants the touch that fact...they just want to sweep it under the rug...

[BITCH ASS]

Thats called wishing on a star...PAVLIK WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE TAYLOR'S JAB...that alone will begin to slow Pavlik down by the 4rth round. Pavlik is much slower than Taylor but nobody even wants the touch that fact...they just want to sweep it under the rug...

What's going to happen to Taylor's speed when Pavlik bangs the hell out of his body?

[jsimps]

What's going to happen to Taylor's speed when Pavlik bangs the hell out of his body?

I don't know how many fights people have watched of Pavlik's, but he is a very good body puncher. JT is going to get KTFO.

[kirk]

the reasons imo

1 - pavlik will be much easier to hit then winky, so ya, he may back jermain up but he will sustain a lot more damage then winky did imo

2 - winky is imo a bit faster then pavlik....

3 - his punches were coming southpaw style... much more akward to be succesful against then pavliks....



i am playing devils advocate of course....

i agree with you.... i look at the ouma fight,

a guy coming forward throwing bunches of punches

add size to him and massive power.... and you got pavlik.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't know how many fights people have watched of Pavlik's, but he is a very good body puncher. JT is going to get KTFO.

They should watch the McKart fight and then they'll see:yep

[kirk]

Thats called wishing on a star...PAVLIK WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE TAYLOR'S JAB...that alone will begin to slow Pavlik down by the 4rth round. Pavlik is much slower than Taylor but nobody even wants the touch that fact...they just want to sweep it under the rug...

i am curious, in your opinion... why was ouma able to handle it?

[Stezzie]

i am curious, in your opinion... why was ouma able to handle it?

I don't think that Ouma handled Taylors jab...I think that was one of the reasons he lost the fight. Also Taylor tried too hard and swung too wild looking for the early knock out. I think Pavlik will be easier to hit than Ouma and I think Pavliks defense is not as good...I think Taylor will land more flush shots on Pavlik...and shot just about everybody because they can't actually recognise the mechanics of the fight...they only see a big, strong slow fighter that has knocked out inferior opposition...:good

[BITCH ASS]

I don't think that Ouma handled Taylors jab...I think that was one of the reasons he lost the fight. Also Taylor tried too hard and swung too wild looking for the early knock out. I think Pavlik will be easier to hit than Ouma and I think Pavliks defense is not as good...I think Taylor will land more flush shots on Pavlik...and shot just about everybody because they can't actually recognise the mechanics of the fight...they only see a big, strong slow fighter that has knocked out inferior opposition...:good

For someone not able to handle the other's jab, that didn't stop Ouma from backing Taylor into the corner.

Taylor's size, reach, and athleticism won that fight.

Not his skill.

If Pavlik backs Taylor into a corner half as much as Ouma did, Taylor is going to sleep.

[Stezzie]

What's going to happen to Taylor's speed when Pavlik bangs the hell out of his body?

As Taylors is faster...he will most likely beat Pavlik to the punch and those shots Pavlik take will subtract some off his power out of the equation rather quickly...You will see...

[Stezzie]

For someone not able to handle the other's jab, that didn't stop Ouma from backing Taylor into the corner.

Isn't Ouma a southpaw? Trivia question for you...is a jab more of a factor against a southpaw or less of a factor? If you can figure that out you can answer your own question...Since you are comparing Ouma vs Taylor and Pavlik vs Taylor you are not comparing apples to apples...Those types of comparisons will yeild the flawed logic found in your posts...:deal

[jsimps]

Isn't Ouma a southpaw? Trivia question for you...is a jab more of a factor against a southpaw or less of a factor? If you can figure that out you can answer your own question...Since you are comparing Ouma vs Taylor and Pavlik vs Taylor you are not comparing apples to apples...Those types of comparisons will yeild the flawed logic found in your posts...:deal

A jab is less of a factor, however a straight right or over-hand right is most effective against a southpaw. So your saying Taylor couldn't keep Ouma off of him with his right or his power hand?

[Stezzie]

A jab is less of a factor, however a straight right or over-hand right is most effective against a southpaw. So your saying Taylor couldn't keep Ouma off of him with his right or his power hand?

You don't throw a straight right hand with the regularity you throw a jab...because even tho it is more effective against a southpaw the punch has to travel further than a jab which means it can be defended better than a jab can against an orthodoxed fighter...Ouma smothered Taylor and himself which was not effective...Ouma was the smaller guy and needed less room to punch so Kelly can't afford to crowd Taylor like that...

[Sister Sledge]

This fight is an enigma. JT is considered used goods because of his recent performances against excellent opposition, while Pavlik is considered heir apparent because he beat a weight-drained, one-dimensional power-puncher. They are both big Middleweights who are skilled at what they do. One fighter will be exposed. I say it is Kelly, other will not. I am not even a JT fan, but I see that at his best, he is an elite fighter, faster than Winky, with a killer jab. He did a lot of great things against Winky and Bernard. He just wasn't consistent in doing them. I don't see Pavlik on Winky or bernard's level yet, therefore I cannot see him on JT's level. Even so, it should be a great fight, but Kelly is gonna get beat up.

[platnumpapi]

have you ever seen any of Jermain's fights after he was done on the olympics. He was starching people one after another with his right hand. Kinda similar to what Pavlik was doing to his oppenents. If anything, JT's right is better than Pavlik's. And of course ouma is going to say it wasnt shit, the guy has never been knocked out (maybe down but not out). And spinks, well the guy has some great defence. I guess what I am really trying to say is that Pavlik vs Jermains opposition ends up with Pavlik losing to alot of the guys Jermain beat. It is going to be a sad day for you when Pavlik hits the deck. Taylor is going to win by Knockout - remember where you heard it first.


fuck off ouma was koed by roman theyt guy who spinks beat to get the belt anyway.roman koed ouma in like 2rds and hes not a big hitter at all at 154.jermain hit ouma with everthing but the kitchen sink, hell he hit him with that to and he did not stun ouma or have him hurt let alone knock him out or even down.he was never close to doing so.

the 1st fight i seen of jt was when he fought william joppy, no i seen him twice on ko nation and he won by ko's, then he fought joppy did not finnish him off and then he fought a former sparring partner and he did finnish him off.

hes got good power but he dont have the one hitter quitter like pavlik, and bhop had him out on his feet in the 1st fight they had, maybe he was just tired but he was about done in that fight.

i just want to see what he does when he gets hit hard, and i mean very hard.the better is taylor and the boxer will beat the slugger 9 times of of 10.but pavlik and just a slugger and taylor aint that great of a boxer.

he has been winning his fight on gifts and just imposing his will at the very least to win fights.theres nothing tricky about him at all.thats why i think hes not that tough of a nut to crack, we will see saturday.

on paper jermain should win but we will see want we.

[brooklyn1550]

This fight is an enigma. JT is considered used goods because of his recent performances against excellent opposition, while Pavlik is considered heir apparent because he beat a weight-drained, one-dimensional power-puncher. They are both big Middleweights who are skilled at what they do. One fighter will be exposed. I say it is Kelly, other will not. I am not even a JT fan, but I see that at his best, he is an elite fighter, faster than Winky, with a killer jab. He did a lot of great things against Winky and Bernard. He just wasn't consistent in doing them. I don't see Pavlik on Winky or bernard's level yet, therefore I cannot see him on JT's level. Even so, it should be a great fight, but Kelly is gonna get beat up.

You have to look at styles too...Pavlik is nothing like Hopkins or Wright.

[platnumpapi]

Do you have any idea how much great footwork, a great jab and slick movement come into play when attempting to back an opponent up? It isnt always as simple as "letting your hands go" and in this case it wasnt. If you didnt see Winky starting with his jab almost everytime that he backed Jermaine up....then you should visit youtube again.

Kelly doesnt have great footwork...he doesnt have great movement...he doesnt have a great jab. HE AINT WINKY!



Pavlik (tho I feel a very good fighter) lacks severly in the fundamental department. JT is a hell of alot more accurate a puncher than Zertuche or Miranda (the two biggest names on Kelly's resume...) and with his footwork, accuracy, and his JAB...he will be able to return fire so to say...but I feel using those above things he will be able to keep him at bay and outbox him quite easily.



When have you seen Winky rocked? I have no doubts about Pavlik's chin....but Winky has proven his against ATGs....not fringe journeymen and wild swinging (and ridiculously unaccurate) brawlers.



Gifts in your eyes...its all subjective. I feel he lost to Bernard in the first one and the second one was a draw (but you could make a case for either guy). The fight vs Winky, I had a draw. The fight vs Spinks I feel was a boring fight...but a clear victory for Taylor.

And please tell me what fighter Pavlik has fought that is better than ANY of those three? Who on his resume would beat any of them?



Not sure what race/color have to do with it....Im white and I think Taylor will win.

But again.

Winky backed Taylor up, so why cant Kelly?

Because Kelly aint Winky. Plain and simple. Cant make it any simpler than that (will he? he very well might....but we will see).



what happend homeboy :huh, dont ever argue with me.you know thing about the sport.

anyone else see this thread, call out ever other member on this thread who thought jt would out jab and out box kp.thinking jt was this great boxer.not saying he aint, but kp could out box him and did.

look at this thread folks and call these guys out, read the shit the were saying here.i cant wait to see what they have to say now.:hi: have nice day.

kelly is a bad ass white boy that will fuck ur world up, holla back :hey

[platnumpapi]

Do you have any idea how much great footwork, a great jab and slick movement come into play when attempting to back an opponent up? It isnt always as simple as "letting your hands go" and in this case it wasnt. If you didnt see Winky starting with his jab almost everytime that he backed Jermaine up....then you should visit youtube again.

Kelly doesnt have great footwork...he doesnt have great movement...he doesnt have a great jab. HE AINT WINKY!



Pavlik (tho I feel a very good fighter) lacks severly in the fundamental department. JT is a hell of alot more accurate a puncher than Zertuche or Miranda (the two biggest names on Kelly's resume...) and with his footwork, accuracy, and his JAB...he will be able to return fire so to say...but I feel using those above things he will be able to keep him at bay and outbox him quite easily.



When have you seen Winky rocked? I have no doubts about Pavlik's chin....but Winky has proven his against ATGs....not fringe journeymen and wild swinging (and ridiculously unaccurate) brawlers.



Gifts in your eyes...its all subjective. I feel he lost to Bernard in the first one and the second one was a draw (but you could make a case for either guy). The fight vs Winky, I had a draw. The fight vs Spinks I feel was a boring fight...but a clear victory for Taylor.

And please tell me what fighter Pavlik has fought that is better than ANY of those three? Who on his resume would beat any of them?



Not sure what race/color have to do with it....Im white and I think Taylor will win.

But again.

Winky backed Taylor up, so why cant Kelly?

Because Kelly aint Winky. Plain and simple. Cant make it any simpler than that (will he? he very well might....but we will see).


thats what im talking about, you trying to make it to complicated.jermian is a boxer/puncher boxer 1st and kelly is a puncher/boxer puncher 1st.kelly can and will get jt to trade with him, and when taylor does it will be lightsout.i make it that simple becaus it will be just that simple, mr no it all but you dont no squat.