Super Greg Page vs Pinklon Thomas

[Titan1]

The '83 version of Page vs the '84 version of Thomas in a 15 rounder.Who takes?

[Bigcat]

Very close fight.. If Pinklon couldn't stop Greg , he would drop a decision on points very wide..

[mr. magoo]

Both of these men were too inconsistant to make any sort of accurate prediction. I suppose if I had to chose, the 1983 Greg Page looks more appealing than any version of Pinklon. He was arguably a better boxer, when well trained, and could take a guy the distance if need be. Thomas had a good punch, but who's power was not unsurvivable. Besides, Page didn't get stopped for the first time until 1986, when his career was deteriorating badly.

Prediction: Greg Page UD over Pinklon Thomas, between 1982, and 1984....

[Muchmoore]

Pinklon Thomas takes this.

[Duodenum]

Dirigible vs Needles. Supper Greg vs Pinko.

I keep going back to Greg's two tough matches with Chaplin. George kept initiating action with his jab, repeatedly striking out at Page from long-range. At his best, Thomas boxed with admirable confidence, an attitude in obvious contrast to the self-esteem challenged Coetzee in their draw. Of course, Berbick knocked both from the unbeaten ranks, but Pink was better against Trevor. When I look at what Chaplin was able to do against Page with his jab in 24 rounds of boxing, and contrast that with Pink's impression of a left-armed bandit in systematically dismantling Tillis, I have to go with Pink by decision, however long the match is scheduled for. Coetzee didn't have the firepower necessary to trouble Thomas, and Pink prevailed against the once beaten 'Spoon as well, so I can't see Greg taking him out.

Thomas W UD Page.

[Holmes' Jab]

Page on one of his absolute best nights could take this one. However any other version and I can see a a comfortable decision victory for Pinklon.

Gut feeling: Thomas UD15 Page

[JohnThomas1]

I like the absolute best of Page definitely by UD. The chances of seeing his best are rare tho.

Thomas was actually far more consistent than Page, putting together an 8 year unbeaten streak including wins over Tillis, Witherspoon and Weaver as well as a fine draw with Coetzee. Going by the numbers he beats Page 8 times out of 10, with those two being Page at his best. Peak effort for peak effort Pink ain't winning.

[ChrisPontius]

Thomas had a good punch, but who's power was not unsurvivable.

Tell that to Weaver, who was knocked out by a single punch from Thomas.
That said, i do agree that Thomas is not very likely to stop him. Only if Page comes in terrible shape. Both at best shape is pretty much 50/50 to me.

[JohnThomas1]

Page had a fantastic chin, even washed up witness the unbelievable shots he takes from Ruddock.

[Bummy Davis]

Thomas and Page both took a good punch, had fast hands, Thomas had the faster jab and a mean one,Page had an assortmant of punches( he was an Ali wanna Be ) Page was hot and cold because of the way he fell out of shape in between fights and Thomas did well until before the BERBICK FIGHT (HE WENT BACK TO THE NEEDLE AND HERION) both guys got tired of waiting for Holmes to want to Unify and Doke's went to the Coke"S but prime for prime I give Pinklon the nod by dec

[JohnThomas1]

That makes the count about 7-3 for Page now by my reckoning.

[mr. magoo]

[quote=ChrisPontius]Tell that to Weaver, who was knocked out by a single punch from Thomas.



Weaver was 34 years old, and hadn't beaten a ranked contender in nearly 4 years. What's more, Weaver struggled with defensive issues for most of his career. Thomas had a hard punch, as I already addressed in another post, but he was no knockout artist.

[la-califa]

Thomas had a great jab, but was too slow handed to catch Page with anything else. Page had a lot of great boxing ability, too bad he never got into proper fighting shape. Neve got rid of that roll around the middle.

[TBooze]

I always figured Thomas would of won a comfortable decision from 82 to 85...

[My dinner with Conteh]

That makes the count about 7-3 for Page now by my reckoning.


There seems to be some voodoo economics on your card then mate. :p



ps. Sorry to upset you buddy but...Pinky UD.


*Runs away*

[JohnThomas1]

There seems to be some voodoo economics on your card then mate. :p



ps. Sorry to upset you buddy but...Pinky UD.


*Runs away*

Trust you to be the only one that picked me up on it hahahaha.

You can run, but you can't hide! Best go find Page - Snipes and Page - Coetzee and get back in here and redeem yourself! We are talking the best of Page dinner! Keep this up and i'll be buying mini Nick a ticket!

[My dinner with Conteh]

Trust you to be the only one that picked me up on it hahahaha.

You can run, but you can't hide! Best go find Page - Snipes and Page - Coetzee and get back in here and redeem yourself! We are talking the best of Page dinner! Keep this up and i'll be buying mini Nick a ticket!



Ha ha, just imagine Mini Nick knocking on my door drawling "You dinner with Conteh? This is from Pa" and bashing me with a right hook. :D Anyway.....


You could have a point about best nights but if we're picking a random date from the calendar, between 1983 and 1985, I'd put my money on Thomas.

[Holmes' Jab]

I think I would win.

Hi there Prime Frazier. Yet another new alter ego, then? ... :hi: :rofl

[JohnThomas1]

Ok, anyone wanting to see Super Greg Page vs Scott LeDoux PM me! Hotdogs a bit too much here but blind Freddy can see the talent, and the fearsome right hand.

[Sardu]

Thomas outworks the inconsistent Page.

Thomas UD

[MRBILL]

The Page of late 1982 to 1984 prolly beats Pinklon Thomas from that era based on having the faster jab and quicker legs........ But Thomas had heavier punches that could wear a mother down after several rds...... A toss-up....... I'll go with Page here, but only by a cunt hair....... By 1986, both guys were heading down the road of ruin... No more meaningful wins would ever occur from either dude........ Thomas finally hung up his gloves for good in 1993, while Page would fight on and off until 2001........ We all know what happen to Page in his fight with the moronic biker 'Dale Crowe' in Kentucky.......

MR.BILL

[mr. magoo]

Heroin or no heroin, I'm going with Pinklon Thomas. Greg Page was far too inconsistent for my liking, despite whatever stylistic problems he may posed for Thomas.

[MRBILL]

Magoo,

Page was inconsistant, however, Thomas fell like a rock from the sky....... I've rarely seen a heavyweight with bulging muscles everywhere look so slow and burnt out by age 29 / 30 like Pinklon Thomas did in 1987 / '88 on HBO and Showtime.... Yes, I realize he was fighting "Tyson and Holy" during that time, but Thomas just looked bored and shot to hell......... The dozen wins P.T. racked up in 1992 were basically against bums, stiffs, tomato cans & sorry mothers...... Overall, I use to like Thomas in the mid-80s........

MR.BILL

[mr. magoo]

Magoo,

Page was inconsistant, however, Thomas fell like a rock from the sky....... I've rarely seen a heavyweight with bulging muscles everywhere look so slow and burnt out by age 29 / 30 like Pinklon Thomas did in 1987 / '88 on HBO and Showtime.... Yes, I realize he was fighting "Tyson and Holy" during that time, but Thomas just looked bored and shot to hell......... The dozen wins P.T. racked up in 1992 were basically against bums, stiffs, tomato cans & sorry mothers...... Overall, I use to like Thomas in the mid-80s........

MR.BILL

Agree about Thomas,

However, in all fairness Page was just as inconsistent and lackluster at the very same age of 29-30. While Thomas may have looked flat against the likes Tyson, Berbick and Holyfield, Page was regularly losing to guys like an aging Bugner, Douglas, Bey, Wills, Tubbs, and just about every Dick, Harry and Tom you can think of. I mean was Thomas really as slow as a 37 year old Joe Bugner? I also see that you commented on Thomas trying to put together a comeback against tomato cans... Okay, well in 1990, I saw Page fight Mark Wills on the undercard of Whitaker vs Nelson, and got layed out with an overhand right in round 6.... That was fucking bad...Now, I realize that Page's losses in the mid 80's weren't the best rendition of Greg, but then neither were Thomas's performances against Tyson and Berbick.. If 1983-1984 is the year that we're going to work with in terms of prime for both of these men, then I'll take the Thomas who beat Witherspoon to pound out a 12 round decision over the best Greg....

[MRBILL]

Greg Page really sunk in 1986 with losses to Mark Wills and Buster Douglas....... By 1987, Page had become a stone to step on......

MR.BILL

[mr. magoo]

Greg Page really sunk in 1986 with losses to Mark Wills and Buster Douglas....... By 1987, Page had become a stone to step on......

MR.BILL


Let me clearify that I really don't have a preference for one man over the other, and for all I know, either could have taken it... In fact, had they fought 10 times, I'm sure both would have had their fair share of wins and losses. They were both men who had a very short prime, limited accomplishments, bad management, and horrid lifestyles. I simply chose Thomas as the better fighter on the premise that he lost fewer fights when close to his prime and was certainly never beaten by the lengthy list of non-notables that Page was..

EDIT: I just realized that this was an old thread dug up from years ago... I responded to it on Page 1, back in June of 2007, and my pick was Greg page...LOL... I guess our opinions get swayed over time..

[JohnThomas1]

The best version of Page beats the best of Pinky. Pinky of course showed his best, or close to best version far more often than Page.

[zadfrak]

I see the version of Page that fought Coetzee/Ledoux not losing the bout. Decision bout all the way and the over/under would likely be about 11.5 rounds.

[MRBILL]

At least Thomas was more consistant with his weight of 216 to 222 pounds while fighting up until 1993........ Page would bounce all around between 221 or so for Berbick in 1982 to blow his title to Tubbs at 239 pounds in 1985..... Page even fought in the 240s while young, and eventually in the 250s upon aging........ Page often had lotsa' jiggly fat on his hips, girth and lower back........ Thomas normally looked like a statue of Marble..... However, Thomas would fight as about as fast as a statue moved, too......

I swear, I just reviewed my '88 tape of "Holy-Thomas" last week....... Thomas was aged 30 and in great shape...... Buffed to the max..... But Thomas fought like he was 65 yrs old against Holy........ He was slower than shit and easy to tag...... Holy at age 26 and 210 pounds hit Thomas with the sink and a bar of soap for 7 rds....... Dundee stops the fight with Thomas beaten to a pulp on his stool....... Good call.........

MR.BILL:hat

[zadfrak]

Thomas looked terrible in a few warmup bouts he had > the Berbick loss leading up to the Tyson fight. He just wasn't the same guy anymore and man, did those reflexes disappear or what? He sure had that competitive spirit and big heart though.

[MRBILL]

Thomas looked terrible in a few warmup bouts he had > the Berbick loss leading up to the Tyson fight. He just wasn't the same guy anymore and man, did those reflexes disappear or what? He sure had that competitive spirit and big heart though.

The heart and spirit was all that remained....... His skills were dust by age 30.........
:patsch

MR.BILL

[anarci]

Thomas would decision Page. Both had excellent chins so i dont see a stoppage here.

Any of you that were Fans then know that Thomas was pretty highly reagarded and that Some thought he would beat Holmes back when Holmes was starting to Slip a little bit around the time right before Spinks beat him.

[zadfrak]

Some people also picked Page to beat a declining Holmes as well. And there were folks picking Tubbs to outpoint Holmes too if that could/would've happened. So that Thomas measuring stick isn't all that much different.

[anarci]

Some people also picked Page to beat a declining Holmes as well. And there were folks picking Tubbs to outpoint Holmes too if that could/would've happened. So that Thomas measuring stick isn't all that much different. Well a few thought that Holmes had ducked Page. But most fans had already accepted the fact that Page was an underachiever.

And yes Thomas was considered the best of the rest at one time. I distinctivley remember that especially after he beat Witherspoon. Who was considered the next best after Holmes,Thomas.

[mr. magoo]

Well a few thought that Holmes had ducked Page. But most fans had already accepted the fact that Page was an underachiever.

And yes Thomas was considered the best of the rest at one time. I distinctivley remember that especially after he beat Witherspoon. Who was considered the next best after Holmes,Thomas.

Agreed,

Perspective goes a long way in boxing. A lot of people were disenchanted with Page's performance against Berbick on the undercard of Holmes-Cooney, a fight that was specifically designed to market Greg as the next hype contender. For all his shortcummings, Pinklon Thomas had at least one thing going for him, and that was the fact that he had stayed unbeaten through 1985, without dropping any losses to previous Holmes victoms.

[anarci]

YEY Zadfrak was off the mark when he mentioned that Page was considered Thomas s equal. At the time Thomas was more highly thought of as a fighter.

[zadfrak]

More highly thought of counts for not much."heavyweight potential" of a fighter--just how often does it pan out anyway? It's a landmine full of underachievers. Thomas sure didn't last long after that Witherspoon bout and sure didn't look unbeatable prior to that against Coetzee. He struggled a lot with an overweight and old Weaver. Looked terrible against Berbick in 85.

Page had an A+ performance in 81 or so against Ledoux. Another one years later when he went in as a huge underdog to Coetzee in S. Africa and ko'd the guy for the title. In between he had flat efforts like his broken hand loss to Berbick and Chaplin and others.

Have you even seen those fights? At the time? Greg Page looked better in those fights than any I ever saw Thomas in. Probably the best A+ version of a Pinklon Thomas bout I ever saw was his ko over Tillis. I'll go with Greg Page.

[JohnThomas1]

Have you even seen those fights? At the time? Greg Page looked better in those fights than any I ever saw Thomas in. Probably the best A+ version of a Pinklon Thomas bout I ever saw was his ko over Tillis. I'll go with Greg Page.

Exactly. Observers that have seen the true best of Page will almost all agree he rises to heights well above Thomas. Thomas hit far more consistent heights but on a one off top night vs top night she's clear for me.

[zadfrak]

Well the thing is the shoe will be on the other foot sometime in the future. They'll be explaining a Mike Tyson in a comparison against fighter X to someone in the future. And that guy will defend themselves saying I saw the Tillis/Spinks/Holyfield/Lewis/Danny Wiiliams fights so I sure don't think that Tyson has much of a chance against X.

[anarci]

More highly thought of counts for not much."heavyweight potential" of a fighter--just how often does it pan out anyway? It's a landmine full of underachievers. Thomas sure didn't last long after that Witherspoon bout and sure didn't look unbeatable prior to that against Coetzee. He struggled a lot with an overweight and old Weaver. Looked terrible against Berbick in 85.

Page had an A+ performance in 81 or so against Ledoux. Another one years later when he went in as a huge underdog to Coetzee in S. Africa and ko'd the guy for the title. In between he had flat efforts like his broken hand loss to Berbick and Chaplin and others.

Have you even seen those fights? At the time? Greg Page looked better in those fights than any I ever saw Thomas in. Probably the best A+ version of a Pinklon Thomas bout I ever saw was his ko over Tillis. I'll go with Greg Page. Have i ever seen any of those fights,at the time:lol::lol: Thats funny cause i was about to ask you the same thing. Saw everyone of those fights back then,back when it was on basic Tv and some on HBO.
Page was to inconsistent at least all of Thomas losses were when he was past his prime Page was getting beat all the time when he was in his.

Thomas struggled with Weaver a little bit but Weaver was pretty rejuvinated and hadnt looked that good in a while and Thomas ended up scoring a very impressive ko in the end, Watch that fight again Weaver still looked buffed out. You are exaggerating when you stated how overweight he was he might have been heavier than before but hardly overweight.

I agree that Page looked impressive against the favored Coetzee and in my opinion that was his best win. I remember Chaplin getting jobbed in one of those decisions against Page and Chaplin was crafty but hardly a world beater not even a legit contender.

Like ive stated before and i think another post did also, Thomas was a consensus number 2 HW and arguably even number1 during his short prime. I believe that by the time he fought Berbick his time had passed, But for about 3 years the Majority of fans had him rated higher than Page. Maybe you should check out an old ring or Ko magazine to refresh your memory.

[anarci]

Well the thing is the shoe will be on the other foot sometime in the future. They'll be explaining a Mike Tyson in a comparison against fighter X to someone in the future. And that guy will defend themselves saying I saw the Tillis/Spinks/Holyfield/Lewis/Danny Wiiliams fights so I sure don't think that Tyson has much of a chance against X. Ok check this it Bro, im not one of the You tube generation Posters here. So cut that out:nono IF you have read some of my post ive been a hardcore fan since the 70s a few years before these guys even came on the scene.

[MRBILL]

Page and Thomas were close in age, but Page burst onto the scene first and was racking up wins in 1980 and 1981 to where he was highly touted to be a champion, regardless of his jiggly fat tissues being apparent to onlookers........ In fact, Page was being ragged hard about being close or at 240 soft pounds for a guy who was merely 25 or 26 yrs old and considered rising in the ranks, so he crashed dieted for Trevor Berbick in 1982 and came in at 221 pounds but lacked power and strength...... And Page got his ass kicked by Berbick and dropped the decision in the Vegas heat..... After that, Page said fuck it and went right back to 240 + or - pounds........

Pinky Thomas came into view for good with his '83 draw with Gerrie Coetzee on TV.... And his '84 win over Tim Spoon on HBO propelled P.T. as a serious heavy to be dealt with.... Than his '85 title fight war with Mike Weaver on HBO was wicked shit........ Thomas almost got his ass kicked there after dropping Weaver early, but Thomas got his shit together and parked Mike Weaver with a right cross in round 8 to close the show....... P.T. would never look good every again in the ring against world class opponents......

MR.BILL

[Titan1]

In fairness to Greg concerning Berbick, he did break his thumb early in the fight.Plus, there were others things going on outside the ring.But he always had problems with guys with good strength, Berbick being one of them.

[MRBILL]

In fairness to Greg concerning Berbick, he did break his thumb early in the fight.Plus, there were others things going on outside the ring.But he always had problems with guys with good strength, Berbick being one of them.


Berbick basically mauled a weak, injured and lackluster Page in Vegas back in '82....... But I was stoked for Berbick at the time.......

MR.BILL:bbb

[Sister Sledge]

More highly thought of counts for not much."heavyweight potential" of a fighter--just how often does it pan out anyway? It's a landmine full of underachievers. Thomas sure didn't last long after that Witherspoon bout and sure didn't look unbeatable prior to that against Coetzee. He struggled a lot with an overweight and old Weaver. Looked terrible against Berbick in 85.

Page had an A+ performance in 81 or so against Ledoux. Another one years later when he went in as a huge underdog to Coetzee in S. Africa and ko'd the guy for the title. In between he had flat efforts like his broken hand loss to Berbick and Chaplin and others.

Have you even seen those fights? At the time? Greg Page looked better in those fights than any I ever saw Thomas in. Probably the best A+ version of a Pinklon Thomas bout I ever saw was his ko over Tillis. I'll go with Greg Page.

I think the problem when you talk about Page beating the likes of Scott Ledoux and Coetzee is that they are not world-beaters, and for a natural talent like Page, he would always easily beat them. Coetzee was always chinny, too, so I don't think these wins are as impressive as they are made to be. Consider the fact that Bruno knocked Gerrie out in one round.
Thomas didn't have the natural gifts or pedigree as Page, but he was much more consistent as a fight up until he fully gave in to his drug habit. Pinky's jab was a great weapon, and he was a very good two-handed fighter. Even without the great natural ability of Greg, I would pick him to decision Page simply for the fact that Greg was lazy and could be outhustled.

[Cachibatches]

Pinky jabs his way to victory.