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09-28-2007, 12:19 PM
Once again, the allegations surface.
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By Luis Fernando Llosa and L. Jon Wertheim/SI.com
According to multiple sources who attended an international anti-doping conference in Colorado Springs last November, Jeff Novitzky, a lead investigator in the BALCO case, alleged that boxer Shane Mosley started an elaborate doping regimen in the months prior to a Sept. 13, 2003, fight against Oscar de la Hoya.
As Novitzky explained in painstaking detail, two months before the light middleweight championship fight, Mosley, a client of the BALCO lab, began using "the clear" [THG] and "the cream" [testosterone], the designer substances that Barry Bonds, among other athletes, stands accused of using. Mosley supplemented this with doses of the blood-doping drug Erythropoietin (EPO), a hormone that artificially increases red blood production.
Mosley's alleged prescribed regimen bore striking similarities to that of former world champion sprinter Michelle Collins, who was implicated in the BALCO investigation and was served with a four-year suspension, despite never having tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug.
Evidence seized during the BALCO raids, which was presented at the November conference, indicates that on July 26, 2003, results of blood work Mosley had done established that his hematocrit level -- a test measuring the volume of red blood cells -- was 44. On a calendar that accompanied Mosley's file, the date 7/26 was circled and accompanied by the word "start" and the letter "e," which investigators believe represents EPO. By Aug. 8, Mosley's hematocrit level had soared to 52.2.
"Most men are in the low 40s," says anti-doping expert Dr. Gary Wadler. "Anything over 50 is considered off the charts." That level, Wadler says, is dangerously high but could benefit an athlete's stamina. According to the calendar, Mosley's last dose of EPO was administered on Sept. 8, five days before the fight.
Blood doping -- i.e. the attempt to boost red blood cells, thereby increasing the capacity to carry oxygen to muscles -- has run rampant in cycling and distance running for years, and it's not surprising that it may be spreading to other sports that rely upon lung capacity as well as muscle strength.
Indeed, against De La Hoya, Mosley won a unanimous decision, largely because of his strong finish to the 12-round fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. As SI boxing writer Richard Hoffer wrote at the time, "[Mosley] did curry favor with the judges by landing the harder punches, beginning in the ninth round and culminating in a vicious 12th that had De La Hoya nearly dead on his feet, his mouth gaping horribly."
Mosley was subpoenaed in the BALCO investigation and testified to law enforcement officials in the fall of 2003, though he has denied ever taking banned substances and has never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs, including EPO. Wadler asserts that there is an accurate urine test for EPO, but the Nevada State Athletic Commission does not administer it.
Keith Kizer, executive director of the commission, claims that "about five years ago there were discussions about EPO... but it seemed like something that probably wasn't going to be used by boxers." Kizer says that, faced with so-called "non-analytical" evidence of a boxer taking an EPO regimen leading up to a fight, the commission would consider disciplinary action and possibly deny the athlete a request for a future license.
Adding an ironic twist to this saga, barely a year after Mosley defeated De La Hoya, the two became business partners. In Mosley's upcoming WBC welterweight title fight Nov. 10 against Miguel Cotto, he will be represented by De La Hoya's company, Golden Boy Promotions. Mosley did not respond to messages left with his publicist seeking comment.
brooklyn1550
09-28-2007, 12:19 PM
This doesn't surprise me all that much...
audio101
09-28-2007, 12:22 PM
I think everyone realized that once he all of a sudden lost his hand speed and stopped throwing all those combinations.
I think everyone realized that once he all of a sudden lost his hand speed and stopped throwing all those combinations. i attributed that to not staying in the gym like he used to, and weight training.
now hes skinnier, staying in the gym year round just about, and hes looking more like he used to.
this will really dissapoint me. Mosley is a gentleman of the sport, a 'good guy' so to speak... and i hate the thought of his success coming at the aid and price of cheating.
say it aint so sugar.
FlatNose
09-28-2007, 12:33 PM
Damn.Soon, to be competitive in any sport, juicing will be mandatory.Commissions turn their back, and money will dictate as usual.Everybody will start looking like Nico Valuev, and that includes the female welterweights.
boxing_report
09-28-2007, 12:54 PM
This article raises a troubling question: Did [future Hall of Famer] Shane Mosley turn to blood doping because he knew the Nevada State Athletic Commission does not test for the drug EPO?
If this is proven it will be a sad day for boxing.
bachatu
09-28-2007, 01:25 PM
His name was lingering around the Balco scandal since it first blew up. The only difference is that details weren't disclosed as they have been now. I typically would say let the investigation finish until we draw conclusions,however, in this case one would kind of start to see where this is going. Look at all the other athletes involved to the Balco scandal....
Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, and Gary Sheffield... Giants trainer who was accused of giving these steroids to many athletes was convicted (for contempt of court )when he refused to testify before a federal grand jury.
One could say that their numbers can justify such accusation. In a big federal case like this, I think the guys responsible just cracked and gave all info they had to avoid a huge penalty.... trainers who were working with high profile athletes took the fall. The question is: Why would his name be mixed in with other people who were accused and convicted for participating in his steroid scandal?
This type of distraction may be the decisive factor in the Cotto - Mosley bout.... I thought to myself, if Mosley comes in worry free and like the Mosley that beat Vargas the second time and Collazo in his last bout, he will win. Though if its the Mosley that was fighting Winky Wright and David Estrada after the whole Balco distraction, I have my doubts.
jimmie
09-28-2007, 01:26 PM
Once agian people Shane Mosley trains in Big Bear,California the High Altitude is supposed to produce more Red Blood cells so steroids arent really needed in that case. Plus Shane took a piss and lie detector test and passed both also the article even states he never had a postive test.
jimmie
09-28-2007, 01:27 PM
Another thing it says hes level was 52 a normal man is 40 Shane Mosley is nothing like a normal man.
Relentless
09-28-2007, 01:28 PM
bullshit, what the fuck is this, you cant look ripped these days without being accused of doping?
bigeddie27
09-28-2007, 01:30 PM
guys, as brooklyn said, it doesnt surprise me either. We just have to learn to live with this as it is not going away. If you rely on your body to make millions of dollars, you are going to dope, do steriods, something. I might not agree with it, but i understand why they do it. The long term health problems are the only reason some might not do it (and thats a good enough reason if you ask me)
lucasehr
09-28-2007, 01:31 PM
Once agian people Shane Mosley trains in Big Bear,California the High Altitude is supposed to produce more Red Blood cells so steroids arent really needed in that case. Plus Shane took a piss and lie detector test and passed both also the article even states he never had a postive test.
They're talking about him using the Cream and the Clear. There was no test for that thus there would be no positive test. Hence Tim Montgomery getting a lifetime ban from track and field without ever testing positive.
C Money
09-28-2007, 01:34 PM
Allegations were already made and it seems that all has passed.
SSM is back at 47 and doesnt appear to be involved in using illegal substances at this point.
Did he?? It seems he might have.
Add to the large improvement list of the sport better and more consistent testing of its athletes. The way it goes down now? Its beatable and inconsistent.
bachatu
09-28-2007, 01:35 PM
Before we start justifying the results with Mosley works out hard, etc... There needs to be evidence that his levels were that high if you are saying its because of his work out regimen. Every time an athlete has been accused of doping due to test results, people have defended them and said "well hes an athlete so he produces more". Sorry, but I dont buy it. Usually, when they say something is way past normal, they mean it is inhuman like numbers....that is not something they see even in other professional athletes (olympic athletes/Football players etc).
again, we are not talking about Normal, Above Normal, Super High...the Doctor simply put it
"Most men are in the low 40s," says anti-doping expert Dr. Gary Wadler. "Anything over 50 is considered off the charts." That level, Wadler says, is dangerously high but could benefit an athlete's stamina.
I don't think we would carry a dangerously high volume of blood cells in our bodies for the fact of working out in Big Bear or for being an athlete that works out hard.
bigeddie27
09-28-2007, 01:36 PM
Allegations were already made and it seems that all has passed.
SSM is back at 47 and doesnt appear to be involved in using illegal substances at this point.
Did he?? It seems he might have.
Add to the large improvement list of the sport better and more consistent testing of its athletes. The way it goes down now? Its beatable and inconsistent.
it might always staty that way too C Money. This business is a billion dollar industry, they got scientists who make shit so it stays undetectable. It just seems to me like a losing battle. And I really dont think sugar did this, but I would not be surprised or hold it against him if he did.
Shake
09-28-2007, 01:37 PM
Hematocrit of 52.2 = doping. No question about it -- if that's what the test said, he without a shred of doubt used EPO.
bachatu
09-28-2007, 01:38 PM
Hematocrit of 52.2 = doping. No question about it -- if that's what the test said, he without a shred of doubt used EPO.
Thank you. As much as I like Shane Mosley, lets try to be objective about the info in the article...that is if the test results came back as stated of course.
Boro chris
09-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Blood doping clearly didn't work for him then. He was shit against Oscar and was schooled, no matter what the judges say.
Shake
09-28-2007, 01:41 PM
And if you ask me, it's not a losing battle -- it's already lost. Any million-dollar sport that benefits from dopin, has athletes using doping. Boxing is particularly vulnerable since every single match is basically an exhbition between two parties brought toether by a promoter -- there is no worldwide organization with authority to combat this.
Druid
09-28-2007, 01:44 PM
Blood doping clearly didn't work for him then. He was shit against Oscar and was schooled, no matter what the judges say.
Are you sure you were watching the right fight?Mosley was never schooled by De La Hoya, not in either fight.It is a shame, no matter what happens now, Mosley's name is sullied. He is one of my favorite fighters, but with that said GO COTTO!
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 01:54 PM
Once agian people Shane Mosley trains in Big Bear,California the High Altitude is supposed to produce more Red Blood cells so steroids arent really needed in that case. Plus Shane took a piss and lie detector test and passed both also the article even states he never had a postive test.
His name is in the Balco books... Why would his name even be in that office in San Francisco. No doubt in my mind that he took something illegal. Anyone who is tied to this lab is, in no doubt, down right cheating. No other way to sugar coat anything. No exuses, no nothing. Why in the hell was he able to continue boxing until this was resolved? Because time is money in boxing, some one pushed this under the rug. Until that no longer happens, the doping will continue because future fighters will think they can get away with it.
I am pissed the $uck off. I had no idea he was implicated until this very moment.. Now, after I bought my tickets wish Cotto was fighting someone else. $uck Mosley, his fans and anyone who backs him.
Shane_Erich
09-28-2007, 02:08 PM
I heard this shit back when the Balco news broke, but then it dissapeared. Unlike everyone else who was implicated, they could never prove anything against Mosley. maybe he did it, maybe he didn't. If he did do it i'm glad he stopped because even though he beat DLH that fight, he didn't look nearly as good as teh first fight when he would have been clean, and he looked shitty the next few fights as well, got too bulky. He's one of my favorite boxers so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but hell, I gurantee you there were alot more boxers doing this shit over the years we never found out about. RJJ tested positive after a fight and nothing was ever made of it.
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 02:17 PM
Erratic, I am not even going to bother about these allegations as much as I did for Holyfield's, but it doesn't surprise me that a strong Cotto supporter starts a thread with this issue... First, Shane is not as fast as he was, now he is on dope for that reduced hand speed... With all due respect that you ought to know I have for you ( and 4 Shilpa), get outa here! What I really wanted to confirm is if Shane was in fact stripped of the WBC interim title or not, I am still not getting the confirmation on the issue anywhere else but in a thread started here in ESB...
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 02:27 PM
Erratic, I am not even going to bother about these allegations as much as I did for Holyfield's, but it doesn't surprise me that a strong Cotto supporter starts a thread with this issue... First, Shane is not as fast as he was, now he is on dope for that reduced hand speed... With all due respect that you ought to know I have for you ( and 4 Shilpa), get outa here! What I really wanted to confirm is if Shane was in fact stripped of the WBC interim title or not, I am still not getting the confirmation on the issue anywhere else but in a thread started here in ESB...
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why is it opponents feel they need to dope up to fight Oscar?
jopez707
09-28-2007, 02:36 PM
I think it's highly possible that SHane was doing it, I doubt Oscar will say anything now about considering Mosely is now part of Golden Boy, but I am sure bewteen the two of them they really knew who should have won that fight and that Mosley was juicing. This is bad timing for this to come out so close to the Cotto fight though.
bachatu
09-28-2007, 02:39 PM
why is it opponents feel they need to dope up to fight Oscar?
I was thinking the same thing. THe only thing I can think of is what is at stake.... the stakes are higher for most every fighter against Oscar. He's a well known guy and the money is good. I think these guys come in thinking they need to come in at their best in order to beat him, so they are willing to do everything possible to get there. I think this is more true when he was a bigger threat at 147lbs and below.
AmazingHook
09-28-2007, 02:41 PM
I think it's highly possible that SHane was doing it, I doubt Oscar will say anything now about considering Mosely is now part of Golden Boy, but I am sure bewteen the two of them they really knew who should have won that fight and that Mosley was juicing. This is bad timing for this to come out so close to the Cotto fight though.
Please, If Mosley was on steroids in the second fight, I'm pretty sure he has never told anyone about that especially not to De La Hoya. Another thing is, Shane truly believes he won that fight and there's nothing wrong with that. Oscar didn't get robbed. It was a close fight that could've gone either way.
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 02:42 PM
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Thanks, Tito Time, it's confirmed... My apologies to the fella who started this thread but I am not about to apologize to Erratic since I didn't attack him or anything of that sort, but there are threads starting with the same issue I brought up as well - 6 weeks for Fast&Furious in MSG and now this? - It's a psychological blow cause you fear Mosley's handspeed and talent will hurt Cotto's chances, no doubts about it ( As much as Iggy's supporters feel threatened for their fighter)! Talk the talk but will you walk the walk?
He Hate Me
09-28-2007, 02:46 PM
After some initial scepticism, I think it is at least possible that mosely is linked to this scandle, in saying that what I find really alarming is the timing of the allegations. Iv heard whispers in the past of mosley being linked to performance enhancement, but it wasn't so publicized with such vigor . I wonder if it's a built in excuss prior to the fight for the cotto base, because its been sitting on the table for a few years now, If he wins people are just going to say he was juiced up. This campaign is a no win situation for the sport and for shane mosley.
Napoleon
09-28-2007, 02:49 PM
This fucking blows.
I hope its not true.
Relentless
09-28-2007, 02:50 PM
it aint.
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 02:53 PM
how would this story breaking headlines effect Mosley in anyway? Please.. He has been in plenty of fights with plenty of trash talking. In no way does this affect him, unless its true.
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 02:56 PM
Question is... Do you think Cotto and his group would of signed on if this story broke before the deal was made? I completely understand they probably already where aware of this anyway, but it was not published in SI till now. What if it was before Cotto signed on?
bigeddie27
09-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Please, If Mosley was on steroids in the second fight, I'm pretty sure he has never told anyone about that especially not to De La Hoya. Another thing is, Shane truly believes he won that fight and there's nothing wrong with that. Oscar didn't get robbed. It was a close fight that could've gone either way.
yeah i defeinetly had that fight for shane.
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 03:01 PM
how would this story breaking headlines effect Mosley in anyway? Please.. He has been in plenty of fights with plenty of trash talking. In no way does this affect him, unless its true.
I have all Mosley's televised fights and he has never been in fights with "plenty of trash talking" not even against Vargas, not at the level of Hopkins vs Tito but then that was after 9/11 and nobody cared anyway, PR and US have no nationality issues, never had... So I assume you acknowledge this doesn't affect Mosley and he will deliver on Cotto with the so-called roids-based punch, good!
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 03:04 PM
I have all Mosley's televised fights and he has never been in fights with "plenty of trash talking" not even against Vargas, not at the level of Hopkins vs Tito but then that was after 9/11 and nobody cared anyway, PR and US have no nationality issues, never had... So I assume you acknowledge this doesn't affect Mosley and he will deliver on Cotto with the so-called roids-based punch, good!
I never said he would do anything to cotto.. I said it wouldn't affect him in the way he fights. He is a grown man, if someone is accusing of using steroids he will not "cry me a river". The fight will happen regardless of the outcome of his dirty antics.
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 03:06 PM
I am pretty sure he isn't using them now.
PolishPummler
09-28-2007, 03:08 PM
His name popped up with the whole BALCO thing a few years ago.
Why is it an issue now?
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 03:12 PM
I never said he would do anything to cotto.. I said it wouldn't affect him in the way he fights. He is a grown man, if someone is accusing of using steroids he will not "cry me a river". The fight will happen regardless of the outcome of his dirty antics.
I also never said Cotto would collapse to Shane's punches, just that he would do what he was about to do regardless, if Cotto beats up Shane, then Cotto is the man... The Dirty Stuff may not be "his" (Mosley's) really, dirty is to punch south of the border, dirty is to present ODLH as has been done - maybe that last one is not dirty, it was downright childish and I was quite surprised for the time it took for those threads to be moved.
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 03:12 PM
His name popped up with the whole BALCO thing a few years ago.
Why is it an issue now?
Because, if that is true, his legacy is in doubt... His history is in doubt, therefor his skill is in doubt.
scurlaruntings
09-28-2007, 03:13 PM
Im not interested in these bullshit articles for a minute. Il believe it when Mosley fails a piss test. Fuck everyones on steroids and no one can looked ripped unless there on gear.
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 03:29 PM
I also never said Cotto would collapse to Shane's punches, just that he would do what he was about to do regardless, if Cotto beats up Shane, then Cotto is the man... The Dirty Stuff may not be "his" (Mosley's) really, dirty is to punch south of the border, dirty is to present ODLH as has been done - maybe that last one is not dirty, it was downright childish and I was quite surprised for the time it took for those threads to be moved.
:huh You lost me.
My dinner with Conteh
09-28-2007, 03:34 PM
it aint.
If it ain't, I'm sure Mosley will sue them then. :good
Tito Time
09-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Bottom line is Shane is a great fighter now * (in his prime, better then Cotto)
* if he was "ever" on roids, not the case.
Thread Stealer
09-28-2007, 03:41 PM
Erratic, I am not even going to bother about these allegations as much as I did for Holyfield's, but it doesn't surprise me that a strong Cotto supporter starts a thread with this issue...With all due respect that you ought to know I have for you ( and 4 Shilpa), get outa here! What I really wanted to confirm is if Shane was in fact stripped of the WBC interim title or not, I am still not getting the confirmation on the issue anywhere else but in a thread started here in ESB.
Strong Cotto supporter? :huh
Thinking Cotto beats Mosley doesn't make me a strong supporter.
I've been rather critical of Cotto until this year when he agreed to fight Margarito, and then signed to fight Mosley.
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 04:44 PM
Strong Cotto supporter? :huh
Thinking Cotto beats Mosley doesn't make me a strong supporter.
I've been rather critical of Cotto until this year when he agreed to fight Margarito, and then signed to fight Mosley.
Whatever, you are not supporting Cotto and believe Cotto beats Mosley as an outsider with his "immense skills", whatever you say, you ought to know. But still it's in the ring that the scores will be settled so both you and I keep fingers crossed that it will be decided in the ring and not over-turned by doping issues, just to check.
Thread Stealer
09-28-2007, 04:57 PM
Whatever, you are not supporting Cotto and believe Cotto beats Mosley as an outsider with his "immense skills", whatever you say, you ought to know. But still it's in the ring that the scores will be settled so both you and I keep fingers crossed that it will be decided in the ring and not over-turned by doping issues, just to check.
What are you talking about?
Dorfmeister
09-28-2007, 05:04 PM
What are you talking about?
You once said that Miguel has a lot of skills like the HBO crew talk about and he would beat Shane for that and other reasons... What I am saying is that you are not counting on anything else but the physical confrontation on Nov 10... So am I, and thus, there's no doping issue to affect the balance towards Cotto's side.
DoumB
09-28-2007, 05:07 PM
sad news.
guys, as brooklyn said, it doesnt surprise me either. We just have to learn to live with this as it is not going away. If you rely on your body to make millions of dollars, you are going to dope, do steriods, something. I might not agree with it, but i understand why they do it. The long term health problems are the only reason some might not do it (and thats a good enough reason if you ask me)
No, we do not have to accept it. Publicize and criticize the sh*t out of the cheaters, even if that is more than 50% of boxers. Soon enough the commisions will follow suit.
Relentless
09-28-2007, 05:22 PM
You once said that Miguel has a lot of skills like the HBO crew talk about and he would beat Shane for that and other reasons... What I am saying is that you are not counting on anything else but the physical confrontation on Nov 10... So am I, and thus, there's no doping issue to affect the balance towards Cotto's side.
you are not making sense, because he thinks cotto will win he automatically hates shane?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if these allegations were true. I couldn't help at notice how much stronger Mosley used to look at 154 when he said he was "weight training". He's never looked that strong and powerful at 147 despite the fact that he's come down in weight a couple of times.
My words exactly,
scurlaruntings
09-28-2007, 07:00 PM
My words exactly,I see you`ve only started watching boxing recently. Mosleys physical size at 54 compared to 47 wasnt even noticeable.He look disproportionately small compared to Vargas.Note he was also a massive lightweight and skipped 140 and jumped straight to 47. I remember some of his fights at 35 with Shane coming in as high as 159 when hydrated.Shane essentially is a natural welter and looks the part.
Lance_Uppercut
09-28-2007, 09:01 PM
It wouldn't surprise me at all if these allegations were true. I couldn't help at notice how much stronger Mosley used to look at 154 when he said he was "weight training". He's never looked that strong and powerful at 147 despite the fact that he's come down in weight a couple of times.
:huh
MOsely looked strong and powerful @ 154? Against who?
I see you`ve only started watching boxing recently. Mosleys physical size at 54 compared to 47 wasnt even noticeable.He look disproportionately small compared to Vargas.Note he was also a massive lightweight and skipped 140 and jumped straight to 47. I remember some of his fights at 35 with Shane coming in as high as 159 when hydrated.Shane essentially is a natural welter and looks the part.
And it looks like you haven't been updated!
Go to ESPN.com and read the article buddy,he admitted taking the stuff!
No way could he have been stronger that Oscar at 154 when he wasn't at 147 naturally and now that truth came out.:rasta
sues2nd
09-28-2007, 11:47 PM
i attributed that to not staying in the gym like he used to, and weight training.
now hes skinnier, staying in the gym year round just about, and hes looking more like he used to.
this will really dissapoint me. Mosley is a gentleman of the sport, a 'good guy' so to speak... and i hate the thought of his success coming at the aid and price of cheating.
say it aint so sugar.
Couldnt say it better myself....I really hope this aint true.
KO Boxing
09-28-2007, 11:49 PM
I believe Mosely.
And if the allegations are true, then it only did one thing... Make him worse. So there. :tong
audio101
09-29-2007, 02:16 AM
Once agian people Shane Mosley trains in Big Bear,California the High Altitude is supposed to produce more Red Blood cells so steroids arent really needed in that case. Plus Shane took a piss and lie detector test and passed both also the article even states he never had a postive test.
Open your eyes, he took shit they didn't test for. Like baseball not testing for HGH.:-(
Boom_Boom
09-29-2007, 03:10 AM
his career is tainted, still a classy guy, but still a tainted career
:huh
MOsely looked strong and powerful @ 154? Against who?
Against De La Hoya. The same time the allegations came up.
Look how massive he looks. Almost like Vargas did when he fought DLH.
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scurlaruntings
09-29-2007, 06:06 AM
Yup he looks huge. Maybe because he was fighting at a higher weight..
Dorfmeister
09-29-2007, 08:06 AM
you are not making sense, because he thinks cotto will win he automatically hates shane?
I never said Erratic hates Shane, Relentless, that's not the issue! Facts are that Mosley faces Cotto in six weeks time, the Balco issue is brought up now and Erratic Behaviour started this thread. Erratic is not to be accused of starting a thread based on news first published elsewhere but the fact that he would like Cotto to win and having started this thread NOW are not disconnected by any means - B'sides anybody can alledge anyone else is not making sense... Since both ESB Champions Erratic and now you Relentless are saying that I am not making sense, I give you the benefit of the doubt and will give it a rest ( on the 2003 roids issue and on Mosley's legacy, not on the Cotto - Mosley confrontation).
Tito Time
09-29-2007, 09:30 AM
Fuckin cheater dude.... The guy who gave Mosley the roids went on to work with Winky.. Wonder if Winky is in on it.
"Mosley said he and Hudson parted ways one fight later, after Mosley lost the Winky Wright in March 2004. Hudson eventually went to work with Wright."
IMO Roids don't help boxers. Who as ever looked really good in a fight and failed a drug test afterwards? I can't remember maybe there a some fighters but I think of one. I think roids can obviously help athlete's to a certain extent. Before Dwain Chambers (100 meter athlete) got busted Micheal Johnson was saying he looked really heavy with too much muscle. Anyway he blew a big lead in the relay where Great Britain were winning, later was found out taking THG (a new designer steriod). The point is he looked over muscled and too bulky and that was one of his worst years as an athlete. Go Figure.
IMO Roids don't help boxers. Who as ever looked really good in a fight and failed a drug test afterwards? I can't remember maybe there a some fighters but I think of one. I think roids can obviously help athlete's to a certain extent. Before Dwain Chambers (100 meter athlete) got busted Micheal Johnson was saying he looked really heavy with too much muscle. Anyway he blew a big lead in the relay where Great Britain were winning, later was found out taking THG (a new designer steriod). The point is he looked over muscled and too bulky and that was one of his worst years as an athlete. Go Figure.
Vargas looked good for 4-5 rounds before being stopped and did better against DLH than most fighters had previously done with the exception of Mosley.
James Toney also looked great against Ruiz.
Mayorga did'nt look good against DLH.
Mosley didn't look good against DLH.
Roy Jones looked good too.
Who else been caught taking roids?
audio101
09-29-2007, 12:36 PM
I love how a so called health freak wouldn't check to see what the hell he was taking, such bs.
knowledge22
09-29-2007, 01:00 PM
I am new to this board. But here are my thoughts on this. I have posted this elsewhere.
Here is my take on the whole steroids question looming over Mosley. And this is why I believe Mosley's situation is very much different from Barry Bonds ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Marion Jones. It all has to do with intent. And evidence of intent.
*Mosley intent was not to cheat. He was looking to obtain legal substances, on the recommendation from his trainer. At that point in 2003, BALCO was not known world wide as a steroids hotbed. It was, in his mind, a nutritional company. Also Mosley received a list of banned substances from the Nevada Athletic Commission, making sure that he was not using anything illegal. Also after testifying in front the grand jury. Mosley was the only athlete ,out of those who testfyed, to take a lie detector test, that he passed, explaining that he was not trying to cheat. Those results were submitted to the commission and the media.
*Mosley relationship with BALCO is only with this 1 incident. While Bonds and Jones have years of association with BALCO. There is no evidence or link beside his $1500 check and one time visit.
*Mosley has never tested positive before or since this incident.
*Mosley made an immediate statement explaining himself. While Bonds, Jones, and others have danced around the questions.
In my mind the only thing Mosley is guilty of is being too trusting of his team. He probably should have done much more research on the substances he was taking. But if you really examine it, none of those things he was taking were considered illegal until after the BALCO raid.
The thing that bothers me about this story is why did it take 4 years to come out. We all knew that Shane Mosley explained that he unknowingly used this stuff 4 years ago. So why is it a big story now.....maybe specifcs. But most inside the situation already knew the specifics. In my mind, Mosley is not getting a free pass, he is getting a chance to explain himself, and he is very believable and the evidence supports it.
kg0208
09-29-2007, 01:18 PM
Those are assumptions, not facts.
It's a fact that the only evidence there shows a one time relationship. You didn't highlight the part about the check.
Lance_Uppercut
09-29-2007, 03:01 PM
Against De La Hoya. The same time the allegations came up.
Look how massive he looks. Almost like Vargas did when he fought DLH.
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He looked muscular, and just about ALL boxers look that way.
AmazingHook
09-29-2007, 03:07 PM
BS. He looked like a steroid using body builder.
No, he didn't. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Lance_Uppercut
09-29-2007, 03:11 PM
BS. He looked like a steroid using body builder.
BS he looked like he normally did. :patsch
Alo2006
09-29-2007, 04:50 PM
bullshit, what the fuck is this, you cant look ripped these days without being accused of doping?
Exactly, some people need to be slapped!
BeReal
09-29-2007, 06:16 PM
It's tough, he is a good guy, yet, seems to be a nice guy who can be taken advantage of. I hope it was the one time thing but I want to give Shane the benefit of the doubt. One other thing, The DLH 2 fight was seen as a career make or break for shane so he very well may have knowingly took the stuff trying to get the extra "edge". I think it raises the larger issue, just how many athletes are not competing "on the level"? It is really sad.
It's tough, he is a good guy, yet, seems to be a nice guy who can be taken advantage of. I hope it was the one time thing but I want to give Shane the benefit of the doubt. One other thing, The DLH 2 fight was seen as a career make or break for shane so he very well may have knowingly took the stuff trying to get the extra "edge". I think it raises the larger issue, just how many athletes are not competing "on the level"? It is really sad.
Mosley knew that beating DLH would be the only way to resurrect his career back to the mainstream.
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