GSP Still Beats Penn

[BewareofDawg]

If any of you think that this new and improved BJ will beat GSP, please think it over. GSP is just too good, too strong, too athletic. A 3rd fight will look exactly like the 2nd. Penn is my favorite fighter, GSP my 2nd but I have no delusions. GSP is all wrong for Penn.

[fatcity]

A third fight between these two are not even being discussed.GSP has moved on and needs to prove nothing more in terms of BJ.

[BewareofDawg]

A third fight between these two are not even being discussed.GSP has moved on and needs to prove nothing more in terms of BJ.
I'm seeing it all over the internet. Many fans are discussing it. If GSP stays at WW, this fight is inevitable as long as BJ wins 1 or 2 more LW fights. They will allow him to move up, feed him Koscheck and then set up the 3rd GSP fight. Penn gets what he wants in the UFC, and he wants this fight.

[196osh]

Only way BJ is going to get anywhere near winning is if he somehow develops some unreal strength and cardio.

[dublynflya]

If any of you think that this new and improved BJ will beat GSP, please think it over. GSP is just too good, too strong, too athletic. A 3rd fight will look exactly like the 2nd. Penn is my favorite fighter, GSP my 2nd but I have no delusions. GSP is all wrong for Penn.

The "New and improved" BJ Penn fought GSP at the end of January of this year. As many fans will know, GSP completely dominated that fight, en route to a fourth rd tko (BJ's corner pulled him out of the fight) and I can't believe that these two will be fighting each other again any-time soon. I agree that a 3rd fight between these two great fighters would probably go the way of the 2nd. BJ would have success against many welterweights, but, as you say, stylistically GSP (Who has also improved dramatically from their first encounter) is "All wrong" for BJ, as the second fight proved! As for GSP being "Too good", I suppose that depends on how you view these two superb champions. If you take the view that BJ is above GSP in the p4p rankings, then the obvious conclusion is that GSP is simply "Too big". If you rate GSP above BJ, then GSP could be considered "Too good & too big". No matter, both are ATG's!

[jimmie]

With or without vasaline ?

[BewareofDawg]

With or without vasaline ?
:yep Made me think of that cartoon gif of GSP slipping and running away from BJ :rofl

With or without, GSP whether he started taking Growth Hormones or not or just upped his training but after his first fight with Penn, he has improved tremendously and has not lost a second of any fight since. His strength, explosiveness and cardio is off the charts and he is too much of an athlete to lose to a smaller man now.

[BewareofDawg]

The "New and improved" BJ Penn fought GSP at the end of January of this year. As many fans will know, GSP completely dominated that fight, en route to a fourth rd tko (BJ's corner pulled him out of the fight) and I can't believe that these two will be fighting each other again any-time soon. I agree that a 3rd fight between these two great fighters would probably go the way of the 2nd. BJ would have success against many welterweights, but, as you say, stylistically GSP (Who has also improved dramatically from their first encounter) is "All wrong" for BJ, as the second fight proved! As for GSP being "Too good", I suppose that depends on how you view these two superb champions. If you take the view that BJ is above GSP in the p4p rankings, then the obvious conclusion is that GSP is simply "Too big". If you rate GSP above BJ, then GSP could be considered "Too good & too big". No matter, both are ATG's!
When I said "too good" I mean he is too good for BJ to overcome the size advantage. Like Koscheck is much bigger and stronger then BJ, but he isn't skilled enough to compliment his advantages in size and strength to beat BJ, IMO. BJ has enough of an advantage in skill to overcome the size advantage, just like with Hughes...but GSP has the skills to go along with his size. Also GSP is the best at what you have to be the best at to beat BJ. Takedowns, cardio and controlling your opponent.

[dublynflya]

I'm seeing it all over the internet. Many fans are discussing it. If GSP stays at WW, this fight is inevitable as long as BJ wins 1 or 2 more LW fights. They will allow him to move up, feed him Koscheck and then set up the 3rd GSP fight. Penn gets what he wants in the UFC, and he wants this fight.

Feed him Koscheck? I think BJ Penn-vs-Josh Koscheck would be an interesting and competitive fight. How about BJ Penn-vs-Thiago Alves? My point is this: Both guys would be a tough nights work for BJ. And let's be honest, there is a reason why almost all fighters "Move down" rather than "Move up" the divisions, it's because the guys they were competing against previously were, to paraphrase, "Too big"! There is a huge difference between a lightweight and someone like Alves, or Anthony Johnson, isn't there? As you say, fans are discussing a 3rd GSP-Penn fight but surely they haven't forgot what happened in the 2nd fight? Which took place this year!

[dublynflya]

When I said "too good" I mean he is too good for BJ to overcome the size advantage. Like Koscheck is much bigger and stronger then BJ, but he isn't skilled enough to compliment his advantages in size and strength to beat BJ, IMO. BJ has enough of an advantage in skill to overcome the size advantage, just like with Hughes...but GSP has the skills to go along with his size. Also GSP is the best at what you have to be the best at to beat BJ. Takedowns, cardio and controlling your opponent.

:good I agree with what you have wrote. I do however think that a BJ Penn-vs-Josh Koscheck match-up would be an interesting and competitive fight. I agree, BJ is undoubtedly the superior fighter and Koscheck probably could not utilise his physical advantages, but it wouldn't be a walk-over, by any means!! How about BJ Penn-vs-Thiago Alves?? Now that WOULD be a very interesting fight IMO. What do you think?

[dublynflya]

With or without vasaline ?

:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

Feed him Koscheck? I think BJ Penn-vs-Josh Koscheck would be an interesting and competitive fight. How about BJ Penn-vs-Thiago Alves? My point is this: Both guys would be a tough nights work for BJ. And let's be honest, there is a reason why almost all fighters "Move down" rather than "Move up" the divisions, it's because the guys they were competing against previously were, to paraphrase, "Too big"! There is a huge difference between a lightweight and someone like Alves, or Anthony Johnson, isn't there? As you say, fans are discussing a 3rd GSP-Penn fight but surely they haven't forgot what happened in the 2nd fight? Which took place this year!
I think he would beat Koscheck but have a nightmare of a night with alves.

[BewareofDawg]

:good I agree with what you have wrote. I do however think that a BJ Penn-vs-Josh Koscheck match-up would be an interesting and competitive fight. I agree, BJ is undoubtedly the superior fighter and Koscheck probably could not utilise his physical advantages, but it wouldn't be a walk-over, by any means!! How about BJ Penn-vs-Thiago Alves?? Now that WOULD be a very interesting fight IMO. What do you think?
I think Penn would have real trouble with Alves's leg kicks, but who knows. Would Penn try and take Alves down? Could Penn dominate Alves standing? You're right, very interersting fight. One I hope doesn't happen.

[dublynflya]

I think he would beat Koscheck but have a nightmare of a night with alves.

:good Me to!!

[dublynflya]

I think Penn would have real trouble with Alves's leg kicks, but who knows. Would Penn try and take Alves down? Could Penn dominate Alves standing? You're right, very interersting fight. One I hope doesn't happen.

To be honest I do not see this fight happening even though BJ would fight absolutely anyone!! And your right Alves would cause BJ all kinds of trouble. BJ would probably let Alves' pre-fight talk (Not that Alves is a trash-talker, but he would state that he was going to "Knock BJ out") effect him enough to get involved in a "stand-up" battle, which would not be the smart play!! Alves would definitely test BJ's iron beard! It would be an interesting fight for so many reasons, but personally I would prefer it if the great man stayed at 155.

[Dynamite Kid]

I'm seeing it all over the internet. Many fans are discussing it. If GSP stays at WW, this fight is inevitable as long as BJ wins 1 or 2 more LW fights. They will allow him to move up, feed him Koscheck and then set up the 3rd GSP fight. Penn gets what he wants in the UFC, and he wants this fight.

You know how it is man, BJ has a cult like following. Plus alot of people are still a little bitter about that loss because of the vaseline contraversy. However, I agree, while BJ can prabably beat beat a few welterweights, GSP is all wrong for him. BJ is on another roll right, just as he was leading into the GSP rematch. Makes no sense for GSP to smash BJ out again when he's got bigger & better things to do right now.

[Popkins]

If any of you think that this new and improved BJ will beat GSP, please think it over. GSP is just too good, too strong, too athletic. A 3rd fight will look exactly like the 2nd. Penn is my favorite fighter, GSP my 2nd but I have no delusions. GSP is all wrong for Penn.

I disagree. If Penn comes in peak physical and mental conditions, and with the right tactics, the fight would look nothing like the last one. Penn may not win in the end, but the fight would be a damn sight closer and more competitive this time. No way would Penn allow himself to be mauled like that again.

[BewareofDawg]

I disagree. If Penn comes in peak physical and mental conditions, and with the right tactics, the fight would look nothing like the last one. Penn may not win in the end, but the fight would be a damn sight closer and more competitive this time. No way would Penn allow himself to be mauled like that again.
I don't know man. I think that the reason he lookes so gassed in the fight against GSP is because he had to fight off an incredibly strong and talented fighter like GSP. It's like instead of shadow boxing with 2lb dumbells like he did against Florian and Diego, he had to shadow box with 5lb dumbells. It takes it's toll quick. It took ALL of his energy to fight off GSP's takedowns and keep him from advancing on the ground, when with other fighters he can fight them off easier.

[Vitor Belfort]

If any of you think that this new and improved BJ will beat GSP, please think it over. GSP is just too good, too strong, too athletic. A 3rd fight will look exactly like the 2nd. Penn is my favorite fighter, GSP my 2nd but I have no delusions. GSP is all wrong for Penn.

let GSP come down to 155 and it will another story:good He ain't gonna be as strong and might be weight drained:lol:

[BewareofDawg]

let GSP come down to 155 and it will another story:good He ain't gonna be as strong and might be weight drained:lol:

:rofl:rofl:rofl GSP vs BJ III At Lightweight!!!!!


GSP
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[Dynamite Kid]

:rofl:rofl:rofl GSP vs BJ III At Lightweight!!!!!


GSP
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[Vitor Belfort]

:rofl:rofl:rofl GSP vs BJ III At Lightweight!!!!!


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lol penn would KO him with a jab:rofl

[socrates]

gsp already beat the new improved penn!!

[Leeroy]

Georges would own him again. I have no interest in seeing this fight yet. Perhaps if Penn moves up to 170 and beats Fitch and/or Alves, then maybe.

[Sweet Pea]

BJ is just too small to deal with him. GSP's size, strength, and athleticism is overwhelming for any Welterweight, much less Lightweight. When you combine that with the fact that he has awesome skills and knows how to utilize all of his physical attributes perfectly there's no way a natural Lightweight is ever beating him. Or hell, a Welterweight for that matter.

[Sweet Pea]

I disagree. If Penn comes in peak physical and mental conditions, and with the right tactics, the fight would look nothing like the last one. Penn may not win in the end, but the fight would be a damn sight closer and more competitive this time. No way would Penn allow himself to be mauled like that again.Penn was in as good condition as he ever was for a Welterweight fight that night.

[cloud_cyc]

If any of you think that this new and improved BJ will beat GSP, please think it over. GSP is just too good, too strong, too athletic. A 3rd fight will look exactly like the 2nd. Penn is my favorite fighter, GSP my 2nd but I have no delusions. GSP is all wrong for Penn.

:good

[Spunik]

Kos would beat Penn @ 170....

[dublynflya]

let GSP come down to 155 and it will another story:good He ain't gonna be as strong and might be weight drained:lol:

:good LMAO. Yeah and I think Machida should fight BJ at 155 also, as I fancy Penn to defeat Lyoto at Lightweight:lol:

[dublynflya]

Penn was in as good condition as he ever was for a Welterweight fight that night.

:good I agree!! Had he not been in such good shape, he would not have lasted until the end of the forth.

[dublynflya]

BJ is just too small to deal with him. GSP's size, strength, and athleticism is overwhelming for any Welterweight, much less Lightweight. When you combine that with the fact that he has awesome skills and knows how to utilize all of his physical attributes perfectly there's no way a natural Lightweight is ever beating him. Or hell, a Welterweight for that matter.

Apart from Matt Serra:-). Complacency and not training correctly for a fight could see him beat off a lightweight, but GSP is with the best camp in the world to ensure that the lessons learned from the Serra fight are never forgotten.

[dublynflya]

I disagree. If Penn comes in peak physical and mental conditions, and with the right tactics, the fight would look nothing like the last one. Penn may not win in the end, but the fight would be a damn sight closer and more competitive this time. No way would Penn allow himself to be mauled like that again.

No disrespect mate, but I disagree. I believe that BJ was in superb condition and perfect mind set prior to his second fight with GSP and I see no reason to believe that a third fight between these two would be that different to the second fight. It should be more competitive, simply because the second fight was so uncompetitive! As for BJ not allowing himself to be mauled like that again, if GSP fights like he did that night there would be little BJ, even with his iron will, could do to prevent it.

[dublynflya]

I don't know man. I think that the reason he lookes so gassed in the fight against GSP is because he had to fight off an incredibly strong and talented fighter like GSP. It's like instead of shadow boxing with 2lb dumbells like he did against Florian and Diego, he had to shadow box with 5lb dumbells. It takes it's toll quick. It took ALL of his energy to fight off GSP's takedowns and keep him from advancing on the ground, when with other fighters he can fight them off easier.

:good The 2lb/5lb dumbbells is a great analogy!!!

[BewareofDawg]

The only way he could change the action and course of a third fight to not make it look like the 2nd fight would be to completely change HIS strategy. Penn has been fighting the same way since he came back from to the UFC really. Not force, box on his feet and avoid takedowns with the belief that eventually he will catch his opponent, hurt them and then take it to the ground and finish him.
If he fights GSP again, he would have to go straight for him, and try to hurt him quick and even try to push him back. GSP is too good and too strong to sit back and play that game with him. He tried it in the 2nd fight and it was a disaster.

[socrates]

9 times outta 10.

[Bill Butcher]

Penn is no doubt the best LW that ever lived & he is so good that he beats most WWs but GSP is likely the best ever at WW & I think its asking too much for Penn to beat GSP, credit to him for wanting to give it another shot, he is a warrior & I would root for him but my head says GSP wins again, the last fight wasnt really close at all.
GSP needs to take a leaf out of Penn`s book & challenge Anderson Silva IMO, thats why I have BJ a little ahead of GSP p4p.

[chimba]

Let them fight!. Sure as hell miles better than Tito/Liddell 3.

[BewareofDawg]

If Penn starts taking HGH (if he doesn't already, doubtful that he does) and gets Mackie Shilstone.....fights 1 or 2 WWs and stops them, THEN and only THEN will this fight be a possible victory for him.

[BewareofDawg]

This pic displays the size difference pretty well. Look how much bigger GSP's head is and I've always thought BJ had a big head. HGH :yep
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[Badlok]

No need for a third fight! And i don't think Penn diserve one , after all the allegation he did about the vaseline and the roids!

[ufoalf]

If I was GSP I wouldn't accept the fight at all. I don't even think he'd be motivated to train as hard for him anyways. How many times do you have to beat someone for them to understand that this is the way it is?

[Nosbor]

If I was GSP I wouldn't accept the fight at all. I don't even think he'd be motivated to train as hard for him anyways. How many times do you have to beat someone for them to understand that this is the way it is?

Apparently at least three!

[Polymath]

This pic displays the size difference pretty well. Look how much bigger GSP's head is and I've always thought BJ had a big head. HGH :yep
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Yeah GSP is a long time juicer, but so are most fighters, no biggie.

[sugarngold]

Not necessarily everyone in MMA is a juicer. Surely some guys are just gifted with good genetics?

[Polymath]

Not necessarily everyone in MMA is a juicer. Surely some guys are just gifted with good genetics?

Not when you've grown a noggin that belongs in MLB :nono

[Nosbor]

Not necessarily everyone in MMA is a juicer. Surely some guys are just gifted with good genetics?


Such as???