New Reports Indicate Mosley was Given EPO Prior to DLH Rematch (Blood Doping)

[Axe]

According to a report done by SI, Shane Mosley was reportedly found to have taken the human hormone EPO, with the last dose being administered 5 days prior to his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya. Evidence suggests he purchased and administered the drug from BALCO.

Mosely was reportedly measured to have a basal hematocrit level of 44; after EPO administration, he was measured to have a hematocrit level of 52.2 (far above normal).

EPO increases red blood cell count, allowing an athlete to illegally raise their RBC count above the normal human range, which allows the hemoglobin in a persons blood to carry more oxygen (more blood = more hemoglobin = more oxygen carrying capacity). This is known as blood doping and is banned in all endurance sports in international competition.

Jeff Novitzky, a lead investigator in the ongoing BALCO case also reports that Mosely did in fact test positive for steroids as well, both “the clear” and “the cream”.

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I can't speak for anyone else on here, but I have always been a huge Mosley fan who maintained him as innocent until proven guilty in my eyes...this latest evidence however is from very reliable sources, and the EPO findings are no longer "rumours" which "link" Shane to the company, but rather reports from credible journalists that he did in fact purchase and use the banned substance EPO, which is a blatant form of cheating in itself, regardless of whether or not we choose to ignore the steroid allegations.

[Shake]

Make an example out of him and ban him for life. He's financially comfortable, at the beginning of the end of his career, he's perfect. Start now if you want to have any chance at curbing this -- much moreso than steroids, EPO can infest the sport like cancer -- it's that good.

[Rickypr18]

Does this mean that the Cotto fight will be cancelled?

[magnificentdave]

at no point did they say that he tested positive,

I think it's rather dishonest of you to imply that he did

if read the article clearly, it merely states that he had symptons indicating use of it

and that their lead investigator was alleging that he had evidence pointing to Mosley doping

and seeing as Mosley lives in the United States, he is innocent until proven guilty

[atg]

Make an example out of him and ban him for life. He's financially comfortable, at the beginning of the end of his career, he's perfect. Start now if you want to have any chance at curbing this -- much moreso than steroids, EPO can infest the sport like cancer -- it's that good.



I actually agree if this is found to be true than he should be banned from boxing. Because I think other people would begin to use and it wouldn't be good for the sport. I really like shane mosley though and I don't believe he did this. But if he did... well yea.

[scurlaruntings]

According to a report done by SI, Shane Mosley was reportedly found to have taken the human hormone EPO, with the last dose being administered 5 days prior to his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya. Evidence suggests he purchased and administered the drug from BALCO.

Mosely was reportedly measured to have a basal hematocrit level of 44; after EPO administration, he was measured to have a hematocrit level of 52.2 (far above normal).

EPO increases red blood cell count, allowing an athlete to illegally raise their RBC count above the normal human range, which allows the hemoglobin in a persons blood to carry more oxygen (more blood = more hemoglobin = more oxygen carrying capacity). This is known as blood doping and is banned in all endurance sports in international competition.

Jeff Novitzky, a lead investigator in the ongoing BALCO case also reports that Mosely did in fact test positive for steroids as well, both “the clear” and “the cream”.

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I can't speak for anyone else on here, but I have always been a huge Mosley fan who maintained him as innocent until proven guilty in my eyes...this latest evidence however is from very reliable sources, and the EPO findings are no longer "rumours" which "link" Shane to the company, but rather reports from credible journalists that he did in fact purchase and use the banned substance EPO, which is a blatant form of cheating in itself, regardless of whether or not we choose to ignore the steroid allegations.I Hope Shane sues you for defamation of character. No where in that article does it say Mosleys tested positive for steroids.If i were you id retract your statement before his wife Jin gets wind of this.:hi:

[Axe]

I Hope Shane sues you for defamation of character. No where in that article does it say Mosleys tested positive for steroids.If i were you id retract your statement before his wife Jin gets wind of this.:hi:

Jin can do whatever she wants with me, especially if I've been a bad boy. :yep

On a more serious note, there is no actual test proving EPO use, rather there are records which indicate that Mosley was given EPO by the kind folks at BALCO:


"According to Novitzky (lead investigator in the ongoing BALCO case), Mosley also took the drug Erythropietin (EPO) which is a hormone that increases red blood production."

"According to the Sports Illustrated report, provided by Luis Llosa and L. Jon Wertheim, evidence seized during the BALCO raid provided proof that blood work done on Mosely had established that his hematocrit level – a test that measures red blood cells – was 44. After Mosley allegedly began his doping regime his tests levels reached 52.2 which is abnormally high. According to the Sports Illustrated report Mosley’s last dose of EPO was given on September 8th which was five days before the scheduled bout with De La Hoya."

These are credible sources.

Again the testing only shows the results of EPO use, and wasn't in this case used to prove it per se, so I will change the thread name accordingly. :good

[Primadonna Kool]

Has he failed a Drug test?

If not, then he is a Innocent Man.

[DoumB]

omfg thats bad news, cant actualy beleive shane did this

[Relentless]

shane has never failed a drug test.

[TroubleLurks]

Give me a break. They decide to run this now? Garbage.

[scurlaruntings]

omfg thats bad news, cant actualy beleive shane did thisShane also had sex with Mike Tyson.

[Axe]

at no point did they say that he tested positive,

I think it's rather dishonest of you to imply that he did

if read the article clearly, it merely states that he had symptons indicating use of it

and that their lead investigator was alleging that he had evidence pointing to Mosley doping

and seeing as Mosley lives in the United States, he is innocent until proven guilty

Yes, it simply depends on whether or not we trust the sources. They do come from credible journalists and investigators.

You have to remember though that Mosley himself is not under investigation...nor will he ever be. And no test done by any boxing commision will label him a cheat (commisions cannot test for EPO use).

Solid, circumstantial evidence from investigations against pharmaceutical companies, which identifies their clients (Mosley) is the best that we as boxing fans have when it comes to EPO use or use of HGH (see the Holfyfield thread).

If several people involved in the investigation state that Mosley used, I'm inclined to believe them. They will never have a reason to take Mosley to court himself. :good

[Axe]

shane has never failed a drug test.

Again, boxing doesn't test for EPO.

[magnificentdave]

On that note, fans of the sport who believe it is a fact that Mosley cheated have a right to voice their disapproval...
There isn't much that can done, however, besides try to keep the allegations in the media in order to lower Mosley's reputation, with the end goal of making it obvious to other boxers that the danger publicity wise for dopers is not neccesarily worth the gain...

Personally, I can't hold something against Mosley that can't be proved, without holding it against every other championship boxer, allegation or no allegation.

[DoumB]

Shane also had sex with Mike Tyson.

:lol:

[Axe]

I actually agree if this is found to be true than he should be banned from boxing. Because I think other people would begin to use and it wouldn't be good for the sport. I really like shane mosley though and I don't believe he did this. But if he did... well yea.

We have investigators telling us he did just that. They are not investigating Mosely directly though, they are investigating BALCO. Nobody will ever take Mosely to court directly, so how will you ever know for sure? It is more reasonable to trust these reports, unless Mosley sues for defammation of character (his wife Jin has been quick to do this before, for other reasons), and has an apology issued by Sports Illustrated, to clear his name.

[magnificentdave]

What's the motivation for this story now? Is it simply a hot topic? Are the investigators attempting to garner momentum? Is it a result of anger on the part of the investigators, or even fans, that athletes who in their eyes are as good as guilty, are not being punished in any tangible way? Or is it just quality news?

[TroubleLurks]

This "lead investigator" is obviously a Cotto fan just trying add distractions to the Mosley camp before the upcoming fight.:deal :yep :tong :smoke
:boogie :wooo

[Axe]

What's the motivation for this story now? Is it simply a hot topic? Are the investigators attempting to garner momentum? Is it a result of anger on the part of the investigators, or even fans, that athletes who in their eyes are as good as guilty, are not being punished in any tangible way? Or is it just quality news?

No idea mate, the timing does strike me as funny (Shane is in the middle of training camp for a monstrous fight). I can only speak for myself, I am disgusted by cheating and will do anything to expose poeple who I believe have cheated, even if they are part of my favourite boxers of all time.

[Relentless]

Shane also had sex with Mike Tyson.

imagine how muscular their kid will be.

[MagnificentMatt]

I dont care how "credible" these journalists are, why would they wait until now to let this out? I'm calling bullshit until i see some real proof.. Plus Mosley is prolly my favorite fighter ever so i refuse to believe this anyways...

[Pimp C]

First the pics of Oscar now this for shane not a good week for Golden Boy Promotions.:yep

[scurlaruntings]

Wow, Mosley is a cheating scumbag who should be banned from the sport altogether. I hope COtto breaks his ribs and has him pissing blood for weeks. This is horrible for boxing and I can't believe more people aren't outraged. Oh yeah, it's because it's Shane. The guy with the fake smile and charm.:-(Your not a boxing guru.

[Pimp C]

You better worry about your boy in your sig next week. It's not looking good for that chump. He's getting beaten out by a 50 year old geezer who recently had hip replacement (Mark Cuban) :rofl:nut
Good! I want him to lose so he can get back to training for Hatton.:hi:

[rydersonthestorm]

If you can proove he cheated then fair enough but if not it's just talk and isn't worth getting bothered about.

[Pimp C]

He's already started his first week of training camp on "Dancing with the Stars"... it's what he'll be doing Dec. 8th:hi:
Yeah right. If you knew anything abkout boxing you'd know PBF is a stylistic nightmare for Hatton. He's better than him in almost every single department.:deal

[Pimp C]

nope, it's the other way around. Floyd will dance, Ricky will actually FIGHT:deal
How fool? Hatton is only good when he fights people that stand in front of him with no movement or defense. There's a reason why he's ducked slick fighters and people like Witter. PBF is the opposite of this he will move beat Hatton to the punch catch him falling in an counter the fuck out of him only a boxing novice wouldn't see this.:deal Not to mention Hatton's lack of defense and a jab to make it easier for him to get inside...in other words he's fucked he really has no way to beat PBF other than one he lands a lucky bodyshot or two he gets a hometown ref that will let him hug, hold, wrestle, mug, hit and repeat. PBF by wide UD or late round TKO all the while PBF taunting Hatton by showing off his new dance moves that he learned on the show.:deal

[ROC]

Wasn't it Oscar who made those accusations a couple of days after their rematch. I guess he was right

[darkdestroyer]

what's funny is that he barely beat Goldy on that bout :lol:

ON THE JUICE BABY!

[Marnoff]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[ROC]

I am a Mosley but this is how things start and then the whole truth comes out eventually so, lets not jump the gun on declaring Mosely did not use it. These are credible sources so I strongly doubt that these people would want to take down a great boxer and person like Mosely for no apparent reason.

[magnificentdave]

Hey genius, spitting out mouthpieces or hitting someone low won't kill them. Juicing up increases that possibility. C'mon pal, think a little

That argument doesn't really fly, if you spit out your mouth piece, you're less likely to get knocked out, giving you more of a chance to win, or by your reasoning, kill your opponent, same with low blows.

[scurlaruntings]

your opinion doesn't mean anything. I can't respect someone who has a cheater in their pic:hi:Wow thats rich. Look at the jerkoff in your picture. His life has barely even been a straight line:lol:

[rydersonthestorm]

Machotime you need to get over yourself your a blatent cotto nuthugger who doesn't seem to be able to understand simple boxing facts. I don't really care for sugar shane mosley he aint one of my favourite fighters, however i can see his skills and know that he has been a top fighter. You just blindly nuthug which ever fighter you seem to fancy.

[Axe]

That argument doesn't really fly, if you spit out your mouth piece, you're less likely to get knocked out, giving you more of a chance to win, or by your reasoning, kill your opponent, same with low blows.

That is heat-of-the-moment sort of cheaing though, where you are hardly in a clear state of mind (still cheating though). Taking roids or EPO requires months of deliberation, however, and is clearly pre-emptive.

[scurlaruntings]

Why would taking "steroids" take months of deliberation? Agreed EPO might as the effects take time.

[Axe]

Why would taking "steroids" take months of deliberation? Agreed EPO might as the effects take time.

Most people wouldn't simply roid up the day of the fight.

If you're using them for weight gain, you'd go on some sort of weight training program, and go through your cycles of being on and off the substance, repeat, etc.

This takes several weeks per cycle usually, so you'd have some time to consider your actions, I would think.