20 best chins at HW ever

[Luigi1985]

I only mean champions or contenders, not journeymen who suffered perhaps only 3 KO´s in their 50 defeats. I made spontaneous a list in no order, perhaps I forgot someone, than say it NORMALLY please:



roper
chuvalo
ali
mccall
marciano
stribling
foreman
schaaf
baer
uczudun
tua
willard
jeffries
mays
cobb
mercer
langford
holmes
jeanette
young

[He Hate Me]

Mcall and Mercer in recent memory along with foreman had great chins.

[Luigi1985]

Mcall and Mercer in recent memory along with foreman had great chins.


Exactly! That´s why I have them in my list! :good

[MagnificentMatt]

Toney, sure he was a very, very pathetic heavyweight.. But come on, his chin is undeniable..

Tua and McCall def. stand above the pack when it comes to the more modern though..

Also, if Ali is in there, Holyfield should prolly get a mention too.. Not dropped a ton, but it's happened (same case with Ali).

[pryorgatti]

Tyson gets a mention

[Arminius]

Foreman should not be in that list.

[Luigi1985]

Foreman should not be in that list.


He fought many punchers, even when he was shot (Frazier, Moorer, Briggs, Savarese, Morrison, Cooney, Cooper, Lyle, etc.), for me, he belongs to that list...

[Duodenum]

Luigi, so far as I can determine, only Tony Galento fought more than 100 bouts in the heavyweight division before being knocked down. That was in match 105, when Joe Louis dropped him in round two, for the only official knockdown of Galento's 110 fight career. For whatever it's worth, Galento also brawled in an era of five and six ounce gloves, and was not exactly gifted with the defensive elusiveness of a Benitez or Whitaker. (Jack Dempsey did knock Two-Ton out cold in a sparring session, testimony to Jack's awesome power, even in retirement.)

[Luigi1985]

Luigi, so far as I can determine, only Tony Galento fought more than 100 bouts in the heavyweight division before being knocked down. That was in match 105, when Joe Louis dropped him in round two, for the only official knockdown of Galento's 110 fight career. (However, Jack Dempsey did knock Two-Ton out cold in a sparring session, testimony to Jack's awesome power, even in retirement.)


I forgot him for example, thx, he had a real iron chin...

[mcvey]

I only mean champions or contenders, not journeymen who suffered perhaps only 3 KO´s in their 50 defeats. I made spontaneous a list in no order, perhaps I forgot someone, than say it NORMALLY please:



roper
chuvalo
ali
mccall
marciano
stribling
foreman
schaaf
baer
uczudun
tua
willard
jeffries
mays
cobb
mercer
langford
holmes
jeanette
young
rough list
Ali
Chuvalo
Cobb
McCall
Tua
Jeffries
Mercer
Uzcudon
Liston
Miske
Risko
Marciano
Young
Foreman
Peralta
Holmes
Smith
Witherspoon

[Senya13]

He wasn't a champ or a contender, but Ross Purity belongs to Top 10, IMHO, could be argued Top 5, probably.

[Luigi1985]

He wasn't a champ or a contender, but Ross Purity belongs to Top 10, IMHO, could be argued Top 5, probably.


Definitely!

[Blacc Jesus]

No Quarry?

[Luigi1985]

No Quarry?

I also forgot him, thank you for mentioning it... :thumbsup

[Bill1234]

In no order,

Chuvalo
Cobb
McCall
Mercer
Ali
Holmes
Tua
Holyfield
Bowe
Marciano
Bear
Liston
Foreman
Dempsey
Valuev (may suck as a fighter, but still has a very solid chin)
Toney (may have sucked at heavyweight, but again, had a solid chin)
Louis (J/K)
Jeffries
Langford
Lyle
Quarry

[brooklyn1550]

I wouldn't put Toney in the top 20

[OLD FOGEY]

Luigi:

Who is Roper? And why is he rated #1? Am I missing something?

[Luigi1985]

Luigi:

Who is Roper? And why is he rated #1? Am I missing something?


I made my list very quick and in no order. Bob Roper was a fighter in the 20s, he fought the likes of Smith, Greb, Fulton, Miske, Battling Levinsky, Weinert, Gunboat Smith, Moran, Gibbons, Brennan, etc., he was only one time KO´d against Fulton, a big puncher, they fought multiple times, Roper was not a great fighter, but he had definitely an iron chin, over 100 fights with only 1 KO-loss...

[mcvey]

rough list
Ali
Chuvalo
Cobb
McCall
Tua
Jeffries
Mercer
Uzcudon
Liston
Miske
Risko
Marciano
Young
Foreman
Peralta
Holmes
Smith
Witherspoon
Add Galento and Quarry!

[OLD FOGEY]

I made my list very quick and in no order. Bob Roper was a fighter in the 20s, he fought the likes of Smith, Greb, Fulton, Miske, Battling Levinsky, Weinert, Gunboat Smith, Moran, Gibbons, Brennan, etc., he was only one time KO´d against Fulton, a big puncher, they fought multiple times, Roper was not a great fighter, but he had definitely an iron chin, over 100 fights with only 1 KO-loss...

Oh, Bob Roper--I see, in no order. OK. I understand now.

[Luigi1985]

Oh, Bob Roper--I see, in no order. OK. I understand now.


:thumbsup

Because when I would make it from place 1 to place 20, well, I would probably still sit here tommorow... :yep


btw, do you perhaps have a relatively unknown fighter who could belong to this list?

[mcvey]

I only mean champions or contenders, not journeymen who suffered perhaps only 3 KO´s in their 50 defeats. I made spontaneous a list in no order, perhaps I forgot someone, than say it NORMALLY please:



roper
chuvalo
ali
mccall
marciano
stribling
foreman
schaaf
baer
uczudun
tua
willard
jeffries
mays
cobb
mercer
langford
holmes
jeanette
young
Anybody impressed with the amount of punches Thomas took from Tyson before going down?

[Luigi1985]

Anybody impressed with the amount of punches Thomas took from Tyson before going down?


Yes, it was impressive, but IMO Thomas always had a good chin in his prime...

[OLD FOGEY]

:thumbsup

Because when I would make it from place 1 to place 20, well, I would probably still sit here tommorow... :yep


btw, do you perhaps have a relatively unknown fighter who could belong to this list?

Karol Sys--I think he was only stopped twice in about 115 bouts and both were on cuts.

[Luigi1985]

Karol Sys--I think he was only stopped twice in about 115 bouts and both were on cuts.


:clap:


Very good call! I know the Belgian, he fought over 150 times I believe. And he also fought good opponents like Valdes, Neuhaus, Moore, etc...

[Mendoza]

20 great chins in chorological order:

Jeffries
Langford
Jeanette
Tunney
Baer
Uzcudun
Godoy
Marciano
Liston
Ali
Chavalo
Holmes
Witherspoon
Cobb
Holyfield
Mercer
McCall
Tua
Purrity
V Klitschko

[Maxmomer]

Chuvalo, Cobb, Baer, Ali, Dempsey, Marciano, Quarry, Jeffries are my picks.

[miamite]

Toney, sure he was a very, very pathetic heavyweight.. But come on, his chin is undeniable.. P4P speaking he had an excellent chin, one of the best, but at heavyweight he just had a good chin. He was visibly hurt by Peter on a couple of occasions during their fights.

Also, if Ali is in there, Holyfield should prolly get a mention too.. Not dropped a ton, but it's happened (same case with Ali). Holyfield was dropped more often, but the deciding factor is him getting knocked out, badly, by Bowe in their third fight. Ali is a definite step above Evander in the chin department.

[brooklyn1550]

P4P speaking he had an excellent chin, one of the best, but at heavyweight he just had a good chin. He was visibly hurt by Peter on a couple of occasions during their fights.

I think Peter has a better chin at heavyweight than Toney

[miamite]

I think Peter has a better chin at heavyweight than Toney Agreed, and Toney is one of my favorite fighters.

[Hitman]

Quarry
Ali
Hagler
Whitaker
Foreman
Holyfield

[Dempsey1238]

Jess Willard
Carnea also. Never counted out. Sure they been down, but Dempsey, Louis and Baer never got a ten count over them. Forget the Firpo fight with Jess. That was when Willard was shot.

Suppose John L Sullivan can be mention perhaps?? Yeah he was ko by Corbett. But that was in 21 rounds.

Gene Tunney is other. Nearly 80 fights, and down once. The long count of couse.

Max Baer was only counted out one time, to Joe Louis.

Of couse the big ones are always mention. Marciano, Ali, Holyfiled, Bowe.


And the chicken Game needs a mention.

[pugilist_boyd]

Dempsey Should Be One Of The (top) 5 If Not First Out Of About A ? 100 Bouts Only Had 1 Ko Loss And Most Say It Was A Dive For 500 $ He Ko-d The Dude Later In Another Fight In 2 Rounds

[Mike T]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Marion Wilson. That guy's resume is filled with big punchers.

[MagnificentMatt]

I dont know, Id say Smokin' Joe was one of the most underrated.. He got knocked down by fucking George Foreman, wide open, on his way in... That would lay ANYONE out..

Althought not one of the best, def under rated.

[brooklyn1550]

Quarry
Ali
Hagler
Whitaker
Foreman
Holyfield

:huh

[Robbi]

:bush

[Maxmomer]

Quarry
Ali
Hagler
Whitaker
Foreman
Holyfield

Not Heavyweights. At least if you mean who I think you mean, and I can't think of anyone else you'd mean.

[Dempsey1238]

I dont know, Id say Smokin' Joe was one of the most underrated.. He got knocked down by fucking George Foreman, wide open, on his way in... That would lay ANYONE out..

Althought not one of the best, def under rated.

Foreman's power is a bit over rated. If he was relly the puncher he was, he should have lay Ken Norton, John Denis, and Pires out cold. Foreman was more of the TKO type of puncher. Most often than not, Foreman would down a man over and over again and force a stoppage that way.

Were say Louis or even Marciano needs one smash or good combo and there down for the ten count.

[C. M. Clay II]

I made my list very quick and in no order. Bob Roper was a fighter in the 20s, he fought the likes of Smith, Greb, Fulton, Miske, Battling Levinsky, Weinert, Gunboat Smith, Moran, Gibbons, Brennan, etc., he was only one time KO´d against Fulton, a big puncher, they fought multiple times, Roper was not a great fighter, but he had definitely an iron chin, over 100 fights with only 1 KO-loss...

Oh, I thought you meant Jack Roper!:lol:

[dmt]

Dempsey should be up there

[ozziebattler]

He fought many punchers, even when he was shot (Frazier, Moorer, Briggs, Savarese, Morrison, Cooney, Cooper, Lyle, etc.), for me, he belongs to that list...

I remember george getting caught flush on the button by a tommy morrison lethal left hook and pretty much shaking it straight off.

At that rate im sure he could take most of the heavies these day's best shots.

The heavyweight division is in dire straights..fuck it sux..

[My dinner with Conteh]

Were say Louis or even Marciano needs one smash or good combo and there down for the ten count.



I seem to recall light-heavies like Archie Moore and Don Cockell getting up after being knocked down by Marciano a fair few times and the likes of Nathan Mann and Johnny Paycheck were finished 'eventually' by Louis after getting up about 10 times. :good

[My dinner with Conteh]

Louis


'Louis' and 'great chin' are two words that clearly don't belong in the same sentence.

[META5]

I seem to recall light-heavies like Archie Moore and Don Cockell getting up after being knocked down by Marciano a fair few times and the likes of Nathan Mann and Johnny Paycheck were finished 'eventually' by Louis after getting up about 10 times. :good

That kind of omission is very easy to make when you have an agenda to satisfy. To call Foreman's power overrated because he didn't put people out for the count as often as other great punchers is a clear fallacy of logic.

Consider Tyson and Foreman. IMO, Foreman carries greater hitting power, but due to Tyson's technique, accuracy and speed of delivery, he's much more likely to hit his opponent in a manner to cause that jolt to the brain that sends a man to sleep. Foreman's punches are wider, more telegraphed ... the opponent has the opportunity to brace himself for the impact which reduces the chances of being KO'd. However, just cos one KO's the fighter, whilst the other doesn't KO, but KD's, doesn't mean that the KO'ing fighter hits harder, just that for effectiveness, they hit 'better' for want of a better word.

Just watching Foreman hit and the testimony from his opponents leaves me with no doubt that Foreman is at the topmost tier of power punchers to ever step inside the ring.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Just watching Foreman hit and the testimony from his opponents leaves me with no doubt that Foreman is at the topmost tier of power punchers to ever step inside the ring.


Of course. Foreman hit hard with even his 'slaps'. So to penalise him because a fighter has gone down from such, reeks of someone that desperately wants to believe that the best ever heavyweight weighed about 180 pounds. :yep

[Stonehands89]

That kind of omission is very easy to make when you have an agenda to satisfy. To call Foreman's power overrated because he didn't put people out for the count as often as other great punchers is a clear fallacy of logic.

Consider Tyson and Foreman. IMO, Foreman carries greater hitting power, but due to Tyson's technique, accuracy and speed of delivery, he's much more likely to hit his opponent in a manner to cause that jolt to the brain that sends a man to sleep. Foreman's punches are wider, more telegraphed ... the opponent has the opportunity to brace himself for the impact which reduces the chances of being KO'd. However, just cos one KO's the fighter, whilst the other doesn't KO, but KD's, doesn't mean that the KO'ing fighter hits harder, just that for effectiveness, they hit 'better' for want of a better word.

Just watching Foreman hit and the testimony from his opponents leaves me with no doubt that Foreman is at the topmost tier of power punchers to ever step inside the ring.

Good stuff. I divide the bangers into two catergories: thunder and lightning. Thunder comes from the heavy handed -Liston, Foreman, Hagler, Marciano, et al. It's like getting hit by a wrecking ball -you can see it coming so you don't go to the circus but it rumbles through you like thunder. Lightning is shocking and you don't see it. Hearns is the single best example here.

I see it on a continuum... Tyson and Jones seem to combine both.

[Grebfan9]

Johnny Risko was fairly durable and Tom Sharkey could take
loads of punishment. Tom Heeney, the HARD ROCK FROM DOWN
UNDER was another guy with a tough chin.

Sharkey went the distance twice with James Jeffries.
Though, after his second fight with Jeffries, Sharkey was never
the same.



Grebfan9
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[Dempsey1238]

I seem to recall light-heavies like Archie Moore and Don Cockell getting up after being knocked down by Marciano a fair few times and the likes of Nathan Mann and Johnny Paycheck were finished 'eventually' by Louis after getting up about 10 times. :good

By the time of the Marciano Moore and Cockell, Goldmen change the Rock's style from a banger to a swarmer to wear the other guy down. Before that, Marciano would often end a bout with one or 2 punchings. Layne, Matthews, Walcott are the ones caught on film.

I think Paycheck was done 3 times. Perhaps 4. The thing is Norton keep getting up. Paycheck stay down.

[Bill1234]

'Louis' and 'great chin' are two words that clearly don't belong in the same sentence.


I guess you didn't see the "J/K" (just kidding) next to it.

[Asterion]

Not 20, 15:

Ali
Jeffries
M Baer
Tua
Mercer
Chuvalo
McCall
Frazier
Marciano
Liston
Holyfield
Willard
V Klitschko
Cobb
Tunney

[Bill1234]

Frazier but no Holmes?

[Dempsey1238]

Louis had a good chin. It falls short of great. No one was taking Louis out with 1 punch. Schmling in order to ko Louis, had to BEAT him down first, and than out. I know evey one sees the fight highlighs and thinks Louis had a glass jaw. But when you see the complete fight, you would see Max was landed thsos types of shots all night. He wear Louis down and than out.
If all even one saw was the round ten of Doulas Tyson, people be saying Tyson had a glass jaw also.

[Bill1234]

Louis had a good chin. It falls short of great. No one was taking Louis out with 1 punch. Schmling in order to ko Louis, had to BEAT him down first, and than out. I know evey one sees the fight highlighs and thinks Louis had a glass jaw. But when you see the complete fight, you would see Max was landed thsos types of shots all night. He wear Louis down and than out.
If all even one saw was the round ten of Doulas Tyson, people be saying Tyson had a glass jaw also.

I'm not saying Louis had a glass jaw, IMO its just average. He was a sucker for the right hand. If Marciano wanted to, he could have and would have taken Louis out much earlier in the fight, probably with his Suzie Q. He was just afraid to throw the trigger. In the 11th round he finally did, and well, you know the rest.

[Duodenum]

I think Jerry Quarry had an excellent chin, all the ability to take one on the chops that a heavyweight with a modicum of defensive skills could desire. However, was it really a top 20 chin? According to boxwreck.com, he was decked twice by Memphis Al Jones, dropped by Floyd Patterson, wobbled badly by Ali at the end of their rematch, looked ready to drop at the end against Norton, flattened and very unsteady in round one with Alexander, along with being dumped by Chuvalo. (Should George Chuvalo have been able to knock down somebody with an ATG chin?)

Yes, Quarry could recover quickly, did get off the deck to win, and stood up the best shots upstairs that Shavers, Foster and Lyle could generate but to say Jerry had a top 20 all-time chin? Perhaps he did, but I think his career needs to be scrutinized a bit more carefully before that conclusion could be finalized with reasonable certainty. (As the knockdown Jerry sustained in the Frazier rematch was from a bodyshot, that should not factor in to this consideration.)

Billy Miske might be a viable candidate for this list. It was only in fight number 80 that he was finally floored, in his heavyweight title shot against a near peak Jack Dempsey, in their third meeting. According to many reports, the three knockdowns Miske sustained at Benton Harbor were the only visits to the deck he made in his 103 recorded bouts. (As for the fact that Miske was afflicted with Bright's disease through the final 70 performances of his career, there are reports that the training process actually helped alleviate the symptoms of his condition until very shortly before the end.)

Another name which could supplement that of Miske is of his rival, Tommy Gibbons, who remained on his feet through the first 105 bouts of his career, before a peak Gene Tunney finally dropped a distracted (ill wife) and sub-par 37 year old Tommy into retirement at age 37.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I guess you didn't see the "J/K" (just kidding) next to it.



No, sorry squire. I don't do 'American speak'. ;)

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think Paycheck was done 3 times. Perhaps 4. The thing is Norton keep getting up. Paycheck stay down.


Well, I can't argue against that as Paychek was twice the fighter Norton was. :lol:

[red cobra]

Luigi, so far as I can determine, only Tony Galento fought more than 100 bouts in the heavyweight division before being knocked down. That was in match 105, when Joe Louis dropped him in round two, for the only official knockdown of Galento's 110 fight career. For whatever it's worth, Galento also brawled in an era of five and six ounce gloves, and was not exactly gifted with the defensive elusiveness of a Benitez or Whitaker. (Jack Dempsey did knock Two-Ton out cold in a sparring session, testimony to Jack's awesome power, even in retirement.)
Yes, Galento's chin had to be good, as he took quite a beating from Max Baer before being tko'd. It was a case of Galento being chopped up into hamburger, but Baer didn't deck him. As for Dempsey's power, well, all this modern day revisionism that goes on, Dempsey get's relegated to the level of a B-class cruiserweight all the time, and I think it's ridiculous. He had explosive, one punch type of power, and could end a fight, potentially, at any time. Archie Moore, on some program where a lot of old time fighters were being reviewed as to their power, stated that Dempsey was typical of fighters of his era in that he was an exceptionally physically strong man, and despite his relatively small size amongst the great heavyweights, ranks as one of the most explosively powerful fighters of all time. The damage he could do when given just a nanoseconds worth of an opportunity, was incredible. Just witness the Jack Sharkey fight, when he ended matters on a dime, despite getting the worst of it up until the end. As superior as Joe Louis was technically to Jack, I have always believed that Dempsey would have found an opening, a moment of weakness that he would have exploited for a ko victory. A serious reevaluation of Jack Dempsey needs to be done in the light of all these modern day "geniuses" who downgrade so many alltime greats with such impunity.

[mcvey]

Karol Sys--I think he was only stopped twice in about 115 bouts and both were on cuts.
Yes I remember him,big blonde Belgian wasnt he?Fought in the 50s,around the time of Joe Weidin,and Hein Ten Hoff.

[Hitman]

Louis
Ali
Holy
Holmes
give or take

[Hitman]

Bump!

[Bill1234]

Louis

:huh

[Zakman]

Here's my first take on it:

1. Chuvalo
2. McCall
3. Ali
4. Baer
5. Tua
6. Mercer
7. Marciano
8. Holyfield
9. Foreman
10. Dempsey
11. Jeffries
12. Cobb
13. Holmes
14. Uczudun
15. Quarry
16. Bowe
17. Liston
18. Young
19. Toney
20. Marion Wilson

[Bill1234]

Why is Cobb that far down? He took Shavers best money shots and didn't even take a step back.

[Zakman]

Why is Cobb that far down? He took Shavers best money shots and didn't even take a step back.

Got starched in a round by some nobody. :yep

[Bill1234]

Got starched in a round by some nobody. :yep

Right after being on the receiving end of one of the most lopsided 15 round beat downs of all time.

[PowerPuncher]

No Ike Ibeauchi? The man who took Tuas best shots for 12rounds. Tuas an ATG puncher and then some

[Langford]

Here's my first take on it:

1. Chuvalo
2. McCall
3. Ali
4. Baer
5. Tua
6. Mercer
7. Marciano
8. Holyfield
9. Foreman
10. Dempsey
11. Jeffries
12. Cobb
13. Holmes
14. Uczudun
15. Quarry
16. Bowe
17. Liston
18. Young
19. Toney
20. Marion Wilson
good list.

I think everyone should reconsider Jimmy Braddock. He had a hell of a good chin fought some big punchers, including Max Baer, and was only floored in once in 86 fights (Louis), many of them fought under nurished and on short notice).
The beating he took for 8 rounds from Louis should be enough to put him that list.

I would add Tyson as well.

[JohnThomas1]

Got starched in a round by some nobody. :yep

Wasn't there a bit of controversy over that one?

[Icemmann]

Got starched in a round by some nobody. :yep

Hmm. Better take doen Holyfield then.


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[Zakman]

Wasn't there a bit of controversy over that one?

My best recollection - and it's been twenty years or so, and this isn't exactly a fight one reads up on! - is that there was some after the fact assertions by Cobb that he either a) took a dive; b) was on drugs; or both. I remember being rather unconvinced and believing that Cobb was basically making after-the-fact albis for his getting knocked out by some tomato can.

All of that said, the guy had a hell of a chin, and there is no question that this KO is atypical of his punch resistance. But still, it does justify his lower standing, imo. I might also add that Cobb's era - the early 1980s - isn't exactly one of the best in HW history, either.

[jbrunner3]

Ray Mercer, Ike Ibeabuchi, Oliver McCall and David Tua have the best chins of the last 20 years.