George Chuvalo vs Wladimir Klitschko - 15 rounds

[Sardu]

I figured since someone made a thread about Wlad destroying Ali in a mythical matchup then this is a fair question. Klitschko is not an exceptionally aggressive fighter. Even though Chuvalo was relatively easy to hit this probably remains the same. We already know that Wlad could not hurt the Cro Magnon man. I think Frazier was probably the only fighter that really hurt Chuvalo. Frazier made him wince in agony by a punch that I believe shattered either Chuvalo's orbital bone or cheekbone. Could Wlad continue to punish Chuvalo to the head for 15 rounds without wilting himself? Would he force a stoppage or would Chuvalo rally late to kayo an exhausted Wlad? I am not trying to be a smartass or bash Wlad. I see Chuvalo as being better than a lot of the contenders are now. Theoretically it should be Klitschko easily outboxing the lumbering Chuvalo. But because of his incredible stamina, the fact that Klitschko does not try to put anyone away until absolutely certain it is safe, and his impregnable chin this could be more competitive than people think especially if it was for 15 rounds instead of 12.

[Mendoza]

Wlad has excellent stamina. Chavalo is too small, too slow, and really was not much of a one punch guy. Chavalo is tough, but the two best punchers he fought TKO'd him early. I'll go with Wlad to win via wide decsion or later round TKO with Chavalo still on his feet.

[Boxed Ears]

Interestingly, I've heard Chuvalo went into the Frazier fight with an existing injury relating to his being stopped. If that's true, it's certainly no wonder he got hurt, I saw that fight and he was definitely in bad shape, only time I've seen him just turn away from his opponent like that if I remember correctly. Also, if it's true, going against Frazier injured was a move that would reflect more on his sense than on his chin.

With the Foreman fight, he always said he wasn't hurt and that his wife was screaming and his manager or whatever started reacting to the wife and the ref reacted to him and stopped it. That's what Chuvalo said in an interview at the HOF gathering. I don't know if it was that or that Foreman was scary as hell and hauling away at Chuvalo for life. Chuvalo even said to the ref, as reported by more than Chuvalo "What are you, nuts?'' when he called it.

At any rate, Chuvalo's head would probably break both of Wlad's hands...But Wlad would probably out-box him and be too good on his feet and not let Chuvalo get inside. Although if he did, Chuvalo really could punch. Ask Ali. He peed some good blood after their fights. One or both. If it was pre-Steward Wlad, I'd i've Chuvalo a very good chance, by the way.

[Boxed Ears]

Oh, and have you heard George's comments about Wlad? :lol:

[Flea Man]

Foreman pummelled Chuavlo in the corner with no answer and couldn't shift him.

I say Wlad points in a boring, scrappy fight.

[mcvey]

I figured since someone made a thread about Wlad destroying Ali in a mythical matchup then this is a fair question. Klitschko is not an exceptionally aggressive fighter. Even though Chuvalo was relatively easy to hit this probably remains the same. We already know that Wlad could not hurt the Cro Magnon man. I think Frazier was probably the only fighter that really hurt Chuvalo. Frazier made him wince in agony by a punch that I believe shattered either Chuvalo's orbital bone or cheekbone. Could Wlad continue to punish Chuvalo to the head for 15 rounds without wilting himself? Would he force a stoppage or would Chuvalo rally late to kayo an exhausted Wlad? I am not trying to be a smartass or bash Wlad. I see Chuvalo as being better than a lot of the contenders are now. Theoretically it should be Klitschko easily outboxing the lumbering Chuvalo. But because of his incredible stamina, the fact that Klitschko does not try to put anyone away until absolutely certain it is safe, and his impregnable chin this could be more competitive than people think especially if it was for 15 rounds instead of 12.

This would not be pretty .Wlad would pick off the slow moving Canadian allmost at will,and if George got inside the bigger man would clinch till the ref pulled them apart.Wlad has too much for Chuvalo ,who does not possess the equalizer of a big ko punch.The only redeeming feature would be Chuvalo's bravery.
Easy points win or late stoppage ,due to the ref stepping in to save Chuvalo from becoming a human hamburger.

[Boxed Ears]

This would not be pretty .Wlad would pick off the slow moving Canadian allmost at will,and if George got inside the bigger man would clinch till the ref pulled them apart.Wlad has too much for Chuvalo ,who does not possess the equalizer of a big ko punch.The only redeeming feature would be Chuvalo's bravery.
Easy points win or late stoppage ,due to the ref stepping in to save Chuvalo from becoming a human hamburger.

Chuvalo had enough power to knock Wlad out if Puritty did, I think. But, yeah, since Wlad's peaked, I don't know if he could actually get there without getting clinched and neutralized. But earlier, he could have.

[PetethePrince]

Wlad by decision. 10-2 scorecard. 75-80/25-20 Odds in favor of Wlad.

Over 15 rounds, it's almost a pick em due to Wlad's stamina (I favor Wlad though).

[McGrain]

Wlad has excellent stamina.

:huh

[Russell]

The offense oriented Wladimir could without question stop Chuvalo on his feet.

I don't know if there's a heavyweight in history who could just soak up the beating that Wladimir unleashed on Ray Mercer. Those were some of the cleanest, move devestating punches at HW that I've ever seen.

Chuvalo stays on his feet, sure. But if he soaks up that kind of a abuse the ref is going is have to stop the fight.

[ChrisPontius]

This would not be pretty .Wlad would pick off the slow moving Canadian allmost at will,and if George got inside the bigger man would clinch till the ref pulled them apart.Wlad has too much for Chuvalo ,who does not possess the equalizer of a big ko punch.The only redeeming feature would be Chuvalo's bravery.
Easy points win or late stoppage ,due to the ref stepping in to save Chuvalo from becoming a human hamburger.

Spot on.

Chuvalo could beat the pre-2004, agressive Wlad, but even there i think a Wlad-Mercer-esque fight with Chuvalo stopped on his feet is more likely.

[mr. magoo]

This is a mismatch. The only two serious punchers that Chuvalo ever fought, stopped him and both were still a ways from reaching their best at the time, while neither had the collosal size advantage over Chuvalo that Wlad would have. I wouldn't even pick the green Wlad who lost to Purity to get beaten by George as I don't feel he had the power or type of left hook attack that Purity had.

[round15]

Wow, everyone here writing off the big Canadian as if he'd fight with his face and get stopped without winning a round?

Well, I'll give George the credit deserved in these fantasy matchups. Either Klitschko brother would realize that they'd be in a serious fight after the first round with a prime Chuvalo, late mid-late 60s. Neither of them are stopping him or flooring him, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Chuvalo floor both of these guys early. Frazier, Foreman, Ali and others said Chuvalo has power in both fists and he wasn't no pushover as some are suggesting in this thread.

Chuvalo still believes he might have been able to get to Foreman if he was allowed to actually fight. It's not like he was in serious trouble on the ropes and in danger of being floored before the ref stopped the fight. Everyone knows Foreman slows down and runs out of gas approaching the middle rounds. With Frazier, it was a different story because the left hook that ruptured his eye socket and blew a vessel was deadly and it could have been the result of an injury sustained before the fight which I've also heard.

No way does either Klitschko beat Chuvalo easily, but by reach and boxing skills alone, I'd expect close, decisions victories for both with George threatening the entire fight.

[Boxed Ears]

This is a mismatch. The only two serious punchers that Chuvalo ever fought, stopped him and both were still a ways from reaching their best at the time, while neither had the collosal size advantage over Chuvalo that Wlad would have. I wouldn't even pick the green Wlad who lost to Purity to get beaten by George as I don't feel he had the power or type of left hook attack that Purity had.

Sorry, I consider Williams, Patterson and Bonavena to all be serious punchers.

[mr. magoo]

Sorry, I consider Williams, Patterson and Bonavena to all be serious punchers.

Sorry, but punchers as they may have been, they weren't on the level of anyone who matters in this discussion......

[rm36]

Sorry, I consider Williams, Patterson and Bonavena to all be serious punchers.

None of them were considered big punchers like Frazier, Foreman and Wlad though.

[Boxed Ears]

None of them were considered big punchers like Frazier, Foreman and Wlad though.

Frazier wasn't even considered the puncher Foreman was, really. But still all serious punchers. Patterson packed a hell of a wallop, Williams was considered a very big puncher actually and Bonavena and Frazier were probably on the same level brute strength-wise. Though Bonavena didn't have the speed or technique to use his strength the way Frazier did. However, on a Chuvalo, he didn't really need the speed. I'd say he chin-checked George plenty. George even said he was very heavy-handed as well. Ali said Bonavena hit him about as hard as any man can hit.

[Boxed Ears]

Frazier wasn't even considered the puncher Foreman was, really. But still all serious punchers. Patterson packed a hell of a wallop, Williams was considered a very big puncher actually and Bonavena and Frazier were probably on the same level brute strength-wise. Though Bonavena didn't have the speed or technique to use his strength the way Frazier did. However, on a Chuvalo, he didn't really need the speed. I'd say he chin-checked George plenty. George even said he was very heavy-handed as well. Ali said Bonavena hit him about as hard as any man can hit.

And Oscar planted Frazier on his butt twice.

[TheGreatA]

The stoppage loss to Frazier didn't really have much to do with Chuvalo's chin, he was absorbing the left hook until his eye socket was broken. I doubt any man could have continued with that kind of an injury. Against Foreman he was pummeled but still standing, and I wouldn't say that was a prime Chuvalo.

Wladimir would have his hands full with Chuvalo in a 15 round bout. Does anyone think a Sam Peter is all that much better than Chuvalo? I don't think so. The body attack of Chuvalo would be especially troubling if it goes to the later rounds.

And there is simply no comparison between Ross Puritty and George Chuvalo. Say what you say about Chuvalo and his limitations but he was levels above the likes of Puritty.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali or Vlad would have knocked Chuvalo out.

[PetethePrince]

:huh

He's a biased buffoon when talking about the Klits.

Vitali or Vlad would have knocked Chuvalo out

Go back to the general.

[KTFO]

Yes, Chuvalo is tailormade for Wlad. He'd probably take him out in late rounds. Chuvalo did pretty well against Ali, but I think he'd be too much for Wlad's cautious style and shaky chin. Chuvalo TKO14 Waldo

[ChrisPontius]

And Oscar planted Frazier on his butt twice.

Oscar also knocked down Chuvalo twice. The odds are certainly stacked in Chuvalo's favor in staying on his feet, but Wlad knocking him down is well possible, as is Wlad stopping him on a merciful TKO basis.

Let's not forget that Chuvalo lost almost every time he stepped up in class, and this was in a time of smaller heavies.

[Boxed Ears]

Oscar also knocked down Chuvalo twice. The odds are certainly stacked in Chuvalo's favor in staying on his feet, but Wlad knocking him down is well possible, as is Wlad stopping him on a merciful TKO basis.

Let's not forget that Chuvalo lost almost every time he stepped up in class, and this was in a time of smaller heavies.

Hm...Are you sure about that? I recall an unofficial knockdown-Chuvalo has never been officially knocked off his feet in a pro bout. But regardless, I didn't say Chuvalo would win either. I'm not an anti-Klitschko guy. I know Chuvalo didn't do well with the A-level fighters. But I think he stands a decent chance with pre-Steward Wlad if nothing else. I'd put Chuvalo far above Ross Puritty, that's for sure. Although Puritty is a hard-headed bugger if nothing else.

[mcvey]

And Oscar planted Frazier on his butt twice.
And arguably dropped Chuvalo.
Williams was washed up when he fought Chuvalo.

[Boxed Ears]

And arguably dropped Chuvalo.
Williams was washed up when he fought Chuvalo.

Wasn't in fine fettle when he fought Ali either, but still a big puncher. Where he couldn't tag a prime Ali...George, as we're all taking note of, he wasn't hard to hit. Even if it hurt your hand more than his face...

[mcvey]

Wasn't in fine fettle when he fought Ali either, but still a big puncher. Where he couldn't tag a prime Ali...George, as we're all taking note of, he wasn't hard to hit. Even if it hurt your hand more than his face...

The Chuvalo fight was 5 years later,Williams had 17 fights between them and lost 6, 4 by ko, you cannot count him as a threat at that stage of his career.

[ChrisPontius]

Hm...Are you sure about that? I recall an unofficial knockdown-Chuvalo has never been officially knocked off his feet in a pro bout.

Yes, i'm sure. Both knockdowns can be seen on film. They were officially ruled slips, but incorrectly so. Bonavena landed a left hook and he went down. He wasn't really hurt though; they were flash knockdowns. But knockdowns nonetheless.


For some reason, this fact has been swept under the rug for years.

[Boxed Ears]

Yes, i'm sure. Both knockdowns can be seen on film. They were officially ruled slips, but incorrectly so. Bonavena landed a left hook and he went down. He wasn't really hurt though; they were flash knockdowns. But knockdowns nonetheless.


For some reason, this fact has been swept under the rug for years.

I guess that helps prove my original point about Bonavena being a serious hitter. :good

[darling dame]

Sorry I think either of the Klits stop George within 5!!! George was standing target!!!

[Boxed Ears]

The Chuvalo fight was 5 years later,Williams had 17 fights between them and lost 6, 4 by ko, you cannot count him as a threat at that stage of his career.

I'm not making any statements as to how much of a threat he was, mcvey. Only that he could hit a punching bag and still be a serious puncher.

[BOGART]

This would be a brutal mismatch. Chuvalo is all wrong for Wlad and I think Wlad would batter Chuvalo for a ko win.

[mcvey]

I'm not making any statements as to how much of a threat he was, mcvey. Only that he could hit a punching bag and still be a serious puncher.

You said Williams was a 'serious puncher', my contention is that at 38 years old he was no longer so ,in the same way that Joe Louis won his last fights by decision.
Williams had journeyman going the distance with him,his reflexes had eroded and he could no longer deliver the power he possessed when he saw the openings.

[Boxed Ears]

You said Williams was a 'serious puncher', my contention is that at 38 years old he was no longer so ,in the same way that Joe Louis won his last fights by decision.
Williams had journeyman going the distance with him,his reflexes had eroded and he could no longer deliver the power he possessed when he saw the openings.

So the disagreement is in whether or not he had the power at all and not whether or not he could use it effectively against those who aren't willing targets. That's fine. He did cut up Chuvalo a bit though, I think. I don't know. Maybe he lost it by then, but it's my thought that power is usually the last to go. I didn't really think about it much, only pointed out that he was a known power puncher that Chuvalo faced.

[mcvey]

So the disagreement is in whether or not he had the power at all and not whether or not he could use it effectively against those who aren't willing targets. That's fine. He did cut up Chuvalo a bit though, I think. I don't know. Maybe he lost it by then, but it's my thought that power is usually the last to go. I didn't really think about it much, only pointed out that he was a known power puncher that Chuvalo faced.

Well if you can't deliver it ,I suppose one can say you no longer have it .
In fairness to Chuvalo, he was 34 years old himself, and a good 10lbs over his prime weight.
It's very possible that Chuvalo would go the distance with a prime Williams,I was just pointing out that at that stage, Williams was more of a relic than a rocker.

[TheGreatA]

Williams was ancient but he supposedly landed some bombs which Chuvalo shook off. It was two old fighters fighting each other and the fresher one won.

[Russell]

Williams was ancient but he supposedly landed some bombs which Chuvalo shook off. It was two old fighters fighting each other and the fresher one won.

:lol:

Key difference being Chuvalo hadn't lost sections of his intestinal tract and been shot several times previously. :nut

[GregDempsey]

Well hell George is still alive and well up in Canada...lets have them fight....couldnt be much worse then some of the fights being made....

[Seamus]

:lol:

Key difference being Chuvalo hadn't lost sections of his intestinal tract and been shot several times previously. :nut
Other factor being Williams was just never that good.

[Bummy Davis]

This would be a fight where Chuvalo would get banged around pretty early in the fight Vlad has to many tools, However the younger version of Vlad may run out of gas trying to put George on his ass and wind up tired if the ref dont stop it...Chuvalo is not going down and Vlad ran out of gas vs Purrity...The Improved version may pace himself and Chuvalo would be too strong and brave for his own good, chopped down and busted up and swelled over the first 5-6 rds Chuvalo my go down for good in the 7th by a well timed right that he does not see

[bigjake]

Oscar also knocked down Chuvalo twice. The odds are certainly stacked in Chuvalo's favor in staying on his feet, but Wlad knocking him down is well possible, as is Wlad stopping him on a merciful TKO basis.

Let's not forget that Chuvalo lost almost every time he stepped up in class, and this was in a time of smaller heavies.


bonavena never knocked down chuvalo you asshole,the referee was right there and i also watched the fight.those where pushes not punches he was using

bigjake

[mr. magoo]

bonavena never knocked down chuvalo you asshole



Nice :patsch

[DudeGuyMan]

Wlad W15 unless Chuvalo gets lucky. Boring fight.

[Muchmoore]

bonavena never knocked down chuvalo you asshole,the referee was right there and i also watched the fight.those where pushes not punches he was using

bigjake

:lol: