Is Sam Peter a dirty fighter?

[box03]

I know alot of people think Sam Peter is a dirty fighter, but whats makes a fighter more dirty than the next. If you look close enough every fighter cheats in some way, Holyfield its Headbutting, Tyson uses his elbows when hooking, Bryd posts with his left and uses open gloves to punch, and Wlad leans on a fighters neck and back during fights. But while Im no ref but I do know if a fighter turns his back during a fight you are allowed to keep punching until your oppenent either turns back around or the ref stops the fight. Were the Rabbit punches Peter hit Wlad with legal or not and if so does that make Peter any more dirty than the fighters I already named?

[Beebs]

I know alot of people think Sam Peter is a dirty fighter, but whats makes a fighter more dirty than the next. If you look close enough every fighter cheats in some way, Holyfield its Headbutting, Tyson uses his elbows when hooking, Bryd posts with his left and uses open gloves to punch, and Wlad leans on a fighters neck and back during fights. But while Im no ref but I do know if a fighter turns his back during a fight you are allowed to keep punching until your oppenent either turns back around or the ref stops the fight. Were the Rabbit punches Peter hit Wlad with legal or not and if so does that make Peter any more dirty than the fighters I already named?

I'll take "breaking the rules more often" for $800 Alex

But no, I don't think Peter is particuarly dirty, alot of the shots come from people turning their head, thats on them, not Peter, I don't think he is intentionally hitting people on the back of the head that often.

[box03]

I'll take "breaking the rules more often" for $800 Alex

But no, I don't think Peter is particuarly dirty, alot of the shots come from people turning their head, thats on them, not Peter, I don't think he is intentionally hitting people on the back of the head that often. Thanks for your input, we seem to agree on this one. I really believe Peter wings punches from all directions just looking to land sometimes, He is a pretty vicious fighter in the ring at times.

[brooklyn1550]

He swings wildly and hits people on the back or side of the head at times. Most of the times, I don't think he's dirty, but he can be. Look at the double-semi rabbit punch in the 1st Toney fight and in the 2nd when he hit Toney on the break. Occasionally, he does rabbit punch intentionally.

[box03]

He swings wildly and hits people on the back or side of the head at times. Most of the times, I don't think he's dirty, but he can be. Look at the double-semi rabbit punch in the 1st Toney fight and in the 2nd when he hit Toney on the break. Occasionally, he does rabbit punch intentionally. Peter was frustrated when he he hit Toney with the ear muff punches, and he had a point taken away as he should for that.

[box03]

Peter rabbit punches alot. Two the knockdowns were from him whacking wladmir on the back of the head. I dont know if he does on purpose so much as it is from poor technique. He throws very wide looping punches. Although he did improve in the second Toney fight a good deal True he does throw wild punches at times, the 2 knockdowns against Wlad were perfectly legal because Wlad turned away from his oppenent and suffered the consequence of his actions.

[Cruiser1]

Peter was frustrated when he he hit Toney with the ear muff punches, and he had a point taken away as he should for that.

That's the old vice. Botha did it to Tyson too. Didn't get a point deducted for it either, just a warning.

[Ambition_Def]

Waldo turned his back on Sam multiple times.

Toney can sometimes only be hit on his ear when he turns into that crouch.

Mystery solved.

[Ilesey]

I don't think he is a dirty fghter, especially when you consider the Tysons and Golotas of the world.

[4eyes]

Manny Steward said the only clean punch he ever saw Peter KO someone with was the wild left hook he caught Jeremey Williams with...and that was on a break, the rest of the time he does it by clubbing the back of someones head...I agree=dirty overated fighter

[Daruf]

The double rabbit punch he hit Toney with rather says enough doesn't it ?
Alot of it is his very poor technique but he does aim for the back of the head when he can.

[Bigcat]

He can be a little raw and uncut with his approach to boxing , but the bottom line is.. You are indeed in a fight and you sometimes do what it takes to win.. If Sanuel was the only one i would totally agree, but its not an equal playing feild all of the time.. Holyfield is awful..(headbutting) Tyson too ( Elbows that follow the hooks.) Akinwande ( Jabs that miss leavng a forearm smash to the face..) Golota (Low punching) Foreman ( Rabbit punching and hitting on break) Larry Holmes (Hitting on the wasteband .. in clinch *a great old school move that takes your legs away in long hard fights.* Lewis (measuring and rubbing palm of glove in your face whilst winding up heavy shots) Bowe (Hitting on break , hitting while down and shoulder shoving ) Marciano ( punching while down, Elbowing , low punching, Headbutting..)

Do you get my point.............. He has some very decorated co foulants..

He will become a very acomplished champion.. You cant play around in the mud and not get filthy..

[NBT]

I don't know what some people are talking about when they say Wlad turned his head. They either didn't see the fight or have an agenda (clearly the 2nd imo)

For once, let's actually take a look at those two "knockdowns" in the 5th.

1st "knockdown"
-Wlad went low to avoid a punch, when Peter came in he pushed Wlads head further down with his left forearm. Wlad immediately tried to go up again Peter followed with a blatant rabbit punch. This has nothing to do with his poor technique, this was his intention.
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2nd "knockdown":
- Peter once again wrestled Wlad down and so Wlad was already on his knee when Peter whacked him with another of his numerous rabbit punches. If that's not as dirty as it gets I don't know what is.
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[Bigcat]

Ok.. this obsessive compulsion everyone has to say Samuel only throws rabbit punches is blinded by fanatical agendas from people who just dont like Samuel for one reason or another..

So no one has a problem with the way Lennox manhandled Mike Grant with the headlock knockout..

I love Lennox btw.. But i am also a fair rational man..

Its boxing not air hockey..

[RUSKULL]

I know alot of people think Sam Peter is a dirty fighter, but whats makes a fighter more dirty than the next. If you look close enough every fighter cheats in some way, Holyfield its Headbutting, Tyson uses his elbows when hooking, Bryd posts with his left and uses open gloves to punch, and Wlad leans on a fighters neck and back during fights. But while Im no ref but I do know if a fighter turns his back during a fight you are allowed to keep punching until your oppenent either turns back around or the ref stops the fight. Were the Rabbit punches Peter hit Wlad with legal or not and if so does that make Peter any more dirty than the fighters I already named?

Nice try but Peter's rabbit punching was also evident during both his fights against Toney as well as others.

Clinching is not illegal, rabbit punching is.

[RUSKULL]

He swings wildly and hits people on the back or side of the head at times. Most of the times, I don't think he's dirty, but he can be. Look at the double-semi rabbit punch in the 1st Toney fight and in the 2nd when he hit Toney on the break. Occasionally, he does rabbit punch intentionally.

Exactly. Some of the punches vs. both Toney & Wlad were blatant fouls.

[RUSKULL]

It's the way Sam Peter is dirty

He hits to the back of the head, he's a fucking boxing tragedy waiting to happen.

Spot on. There's a reason that punching to the back of the head is a foul and it should not be tolerated. Holding is also illegal but no one ever got permanant brain damage from holding alone.

[RUSKULL]

He can be a little raw and uncut with his approach to boxing , but the bottom line is.. You are indeed in a fight and you sometimes do what it takes to win.. If Sanuel was the only one i would totally agree, but its not an equal playing feild all of the time.. Holyfield is awful..(headbutting) Tyson too ( Elbows that follow the hooks.) Akinwande ( Jabs that miss leavng a forearm smash to the face..) Golota (Low punching) Foreman ( Rabbit punching and hitting on break) Larry Holmes (Hitting on the wasteband .. in clinch *a great old school move that takes your legs away in long hard fights.* Lewis (measuring and rubbing palm of glove in your face whilst winding up heavy shots) Bowe (Hitting on break , hitting while down and shoulder shoving ) Marciano ( punching while down, Elbowing , low punching, Headbutting..)

Do you get my point.............. He has some very decorated co foulants..

He will become a very acomplished champion.. You cant play around in the mud and not get filthy..

You forgot Ali, he was the worst holder, and he would hold & hit with his free hand regularly.

[RUSKULL]

Great post NBT, with illustrations no less :good

In both those "knockdowns" Sam is clearly aiming for the back of the head. He's a crude fighter that gets frustrated with good boxers because his skills are very limited & primitive.

I hope Jameel McCline beats him a new ass....................

[Grabonator]

Common guys just stop bitching around!!

[lefthook31]

No.....he just rabbit punches as a sign of good sportsmanship & kind gesture. :angel

...(although sometimes they seem to have a K.O effect).

:yep Exactly, he definitely hits behind the head way too much.

[RUSKULL]

Look at that incompetent doofus ref allowing all that to transpire :-( Never once does he appear to be stepping in to control the action.

[Decker]

Look at that incompetent doofus ref allowing all that to transpire :-( Never once does he appear to be stepping in to control the action. To the Wlad haters, he "allowed" Wlad to clinch too much :roll: The 2nd "KD" is a blatant double foul for rabbit punching while your opponent is down. And hard to forget the double rabbit punch vs JT.

Bigcat I have not been a Sam hater - I've viewed him in a fairly unbaised manner. You make some valid points regarding other name fighters, but pointing to fouling by other fighters should not excuse Sam from his fouls.

Ok.. this obsessive compulsion everyone has to say Samuel only throws rabbit punches is blinded by fanatical agendas from people who just dont like Samuel for one reason or another..
No more than the obsessive compulsion many have about Wlad's "excessive" clinching (the same loons who rank Ali at or near #1 :nut ), which is driven by transparently obvious agendas against Wlad :-(

So no one has a problem with the way Lennox manhandled Mike Grant with the headlock knockout..

I love Lennox btw.. But i am also a fair rational man..
Me too, so I don't complain much when LL pulled that move on Grant. Seriously, it's a moot point as LL was handily winning that fight before the hold and uppercut KO :yep

[lefthook31]

Wlad is just as guilty of excessive holding as Peter is for hitting behind the head, just that Wlad holds way more than anyone else fouls in the sport.

[Decker]

Wlad is just as guilty of excessive holding as Peter is for hitting behind the head, just that Wlad holds way more than anyone else fouls in the sport. Take off the tinted glasses. :|
You've been watching this sport a long time, eh? :lol:

[Ambition_Def]

Fuck those illustrations,they are deceiving.

Anyone who has access to the video can clearly see that Sam's forearm did not push Waldo down on that first knockdown. Waldo ate a big left hook and was on his way to the canvas and spiraled to the side. Sam tried to catch him with another hook (hence first photo) and missed, and came back with a right hand as Waldo was falling to the floor.

Get the tape and see for yourself. NBT is clearly into selective photography to service an agenda.

[RUSKULL]

Fuck those illustrations,they are deceiving.

Anyone who has access to the video can clearly see that Sam's forearm did not push Waldo down on that first knockdown. Waldo ate a big left hook and was on his way to the canvas and spiraled to the side. Sam tried to catch him with another hook (hence first photo) and missed, and came back with a right hand as Waldo was falling to the floor.

Get the tape and see for yourself. NBT is clearly into selective photography to service an agenda.

He is but you aren't :huh

Show some photo stills of Wlad "turning away" from Peter then. I've seen the fight a few times & on one occasion Wlad looked to the ref for some help against Peter's tactics and Peter jumped on that moment to score a foul!

[NBT]

Waldo ate a big left hook and was on his way to the canvas and spiraled to the side.
Yeah, that's why his head in the 2nd shot is much higher than in the first, "because he was on his way to the canvas" :lol: fucking brilliant. :yep

[RUSKULL]

Yeah, that's why his head in the 2nd shot is much higher as in the first, "because he was on his way to the canvas" :lol: fucking brilliant. :yep

Hey, but we should just take his word right?! Why should he need to post photo evidence of his point? Ambition_Deaf is as honorable as they come and would never post any bias-ridden shit...................

[NBT]

Because he has no point. :yep The "big left hook" he is talking about was a glancing blow near the ropes. Wlad retreated back to the centre of the ring where he ducked to avoid one of Peter's left jabs. The rest of the scene happened like I described earlier.

[Decker]

Yeah, that's why his head in the 2nd shot is much higher than in the first, "because he was on his way to the canvas"
Quit confusing the debate with facts ! :D

:lol: fucking brilliant. :yep To the haters, that is brillaint analysis :rofl This coming from the "unbiased" Ambition_Def who calls Wlad, "Waldo" something a 3 year old might come up with :roll: