So UFC is taking over?

[LeonMcS]

Was at the pub on Sunday (no, really) watching Vics fight and had the chance to catch up with a few guys from the forums and the local scene.

A good time was had by all, and we stayed on to watch the replay of Gonzales-Sorjaturong when the feed suddenly died out after the third round.

So we sat there a bit annoyed when I noticed the UFC was on live on one of the smaller teles. Why not put it on the big screen I thought? I went up to the manager who I knew through my previous "promotional" work and was stunned by the response.

Before I continue, yes I know, the UFC has sold out a live date in Australia within hours. Well done.

Anyway, their response was a flat no.

Verbatim, heres how the conversation went.

"Why not, you're only showing a local ODI match which no-ones watching yet theres 10-15 people here that want to watch UFC (Bare in mind as much as I appreciate UFC, I'm not a fan.)

"No, we have instructions not to show it."

"But its on MainEvent which means you paid for it"

"We can't put it on the big screen"

"Well how about one of the normal screens" (was presently showing half screen sharing a tv with TAB dividends)

"The owner has ordered us not to show it, as we don't want the crowd it brings"

Finally I talked them into putting it on a normal size screen in the back corner where maybe 6-8 people settled in to watch, including a couple of girls who seemed to have come especially for the BJ Penn fight.

Conclusion:

UFC may be winning the home market but there is a long way way to go on the pub market. Have heard from some other places similar tales. One thing I've always maintained about UFC, the scariest part of it is the crowds it brings. Booing a fight 30 seconds in doesn't sit well with me.

Be interested to hear other peoples experiences.

[joemac]

10 seconds of punching then the rest of the round rolling around on the floor looking like they are trying to rape each other!

I'm sure its a tough sport, it seems brutal at times but I just cant get into it.

[teke]

I started watching last year now im hooked, love the sport.

My workmate wants me to go with him to the show in Sydney next year and am thinking about it. Its a fast growing sport and clubs are popping up everywhere around the country

[flamengo]

Hmm... Its a tough sport to watch.. Very dramatic and painful.. most action does last the obligatory 10 seconds just as ESB's new victum has testified. Perhaps it resembles a raw pub brawl to drunken eyes that Bar Managers might worry about??

JM... I hope you've paid attention to the last few months of safe viewing.. lol.. Just remember, we might all seem pretty friendly at first... lol

A home truth, I met Phil Austin one night (TRUE) and I went home with vomit on my shoes.

[T.C.W]

No, there is no money in it, the sport is called MMA, UFC is a promotion company, they make Don King look like a school boy, forget about with this sell out there show, there selling a event, 90% of people will not have a clue who is fighting, they just won't to see blood. it is new and bad, unlike boxing which has been around for years, The fans need match with good fighters, just boxing at this date will not cut the the mustard, this what mainly the UFC has had in the last 3 years in the USA, but it is starting to change, people won't match up now if there going to hand over there money for these PPV event, just saying UFC and some number doesn't get it done all UFC PPV number are down in since UFC 100 because the card are not that good and people are not just going to buy it because dana white said it is the best thing of all time, the fan has become more educated about the sport. it will be the same in OZ to start of with it is an event, new and shiney, but in time the fans won't a good product or they will go else where.

[Angry Fight Fan]

Leon probably knows that I'm a huge fan of the sport and I pay for every UFC PPV for two reasons. First, 9/10 of the cards are quality cards with a handful of really good fights and you get your moneys worth. Secondly, like Leon said, the crowd that watches these events at a pub can be a bit off putting to say the least. The last time I went to a pub to watch it there was the usual 10 or so guys really into the fighting and then a few of the regulars walked in and the conversation went like this:

Regular Drunk: Get off the floor and go toe to toe you pussies!
MMA Fan Drunk: Shut the f**k up c**t!

The two got into a fight and it turned out the MMA fan also trained a bit and got the better of the fight before it was broken up. The drunk dude came back with a few of his mates and I decided that watching I wasn't going to be watching Liddell vs Rampage there. To top a wonderful day off, I get home and someone has left me an message on MSN telling me who won the fight before I could download it. Fun times!

[LeonMcS]

What are you doing here? Get back to work on that blog, I miss it!

[LeonMcS]

Leon probably knows that I'm a huge fan of the sport and I pay for every UFC PPV for two reasons. First, 9/10 of the cards are quality cards with a handful of really good fights and you get your moneys worth. Secondly, like Leon said, the crowd that watches these events at a pub can be a bit off putting to say the least. The last time I went to a pub to watch it there was the usual 10 or so guys really into the fighting and then a few of the regulars walked in and the conversation went like this:

Regular Drunk: Get off the floor and go toe to toe you pussies!
MMA Fan Drunk: Shut the f**k up c**t!

The two got into a fight and it turned out the MMA fan also trained a bit and got the better of the fight before it was broken up. The drunk dude came back with a few of his mates and I decided that watching I wasn't going to be watching Liddell vs Rampage there. To top a wonderful day off, I get home and someone has left me an message on MSN telling me who won the fight before I could download it. Fun times!


Thats basically my point, it does pull a different crowd than boxing. I've been to a few packed houses the last few years and theres been no hint of trouble, even with both fighters vocally supported. One guys loses, everyone moves on and its all good.

The impression of the UFC fan has to change before the venues give it more support. Maybe ban the Affliction & Tap Out T shirts and have a limit of one barb wire tattoo per person and you might start making some headway.

[Kegsy]

Thats basically my point, it does pull a different crowd than boxing. I've been to a few packed houses the last few years and theres been no hint of trouble, even with both fighters vocally supported. One guys loses, everyone moves on and its all good.

The impression of the UFC fan has to change before the venues give it more support. Maybe ban the Affliction & Tap Out T shirts and have a limit of one barb wire tattoo per person and you might start making some headway.
Dont ban the affliction shirts.:fire:fire:fire

[LeonMcS]

Yeah, good idea, otherwise you'd be topless and no-one deserves to see that.

[Kegsy]

Yeah, good idea, otherwise you'd be topless and no-one deserves to see that.
Yepp good enough reason for me too ;)

For the Green card im not sure which shirt to wear??

Should i wear the Bernard Hopkins Executioner Affliction shirt or
Raging Bull Team Darchinyan shirt (especially if Vic is on the undercard)??

[LeonMcS]

I don't think it matters what you wear at home.

[flamengo]

Leon probably knows that I'm a huge fan of the sport and I pay for every UFC PPV for two reasons. First, 9/10 of the cards are quality cards with a handful of really good fights and you get your moneys worth. Secondly, like Leon said, the crowd that watches these events at a pub can be a bit off putting to say the least. The last time I went to a pub to watch it there was the usual 10 or so guys really into the fighting and then a few of the regulars walked in and the conversation went like this:

Regular Drunk: Get off the floor and go toe to toe you pussies!
MMA Fan Drunk: Shut the f**k up c**t!

The two got into a fight and it turned out the MMA fan also trained a bit and got the better of the fight before it was broken up. The drunk dude came back with a few of his mates and I decided that watching I wasn't going to be watching Liddell vs Rampage there. To top a wonderful day off, I get home and someone has left me an message on MSN telling me who won the fight before I could download it. Fun times!


MSN message to AFF... "Unbelievable, Green just KO'd B.Hop in round 7.. the pubs going bananas"

Now you dont need to worry about Green vs B.Hop. :D

[andriy]

youve also raised the subject that pubs are a shit place to watch sport. places that put on a front to look like a sports bar, then you go up to the fag wearing a pink shirt and sweat band at the bar, or dumb euro-asian bar girl to change it from fashion channel, to the footy.. they dont know what the fuck you're talking about.
its impossible.

[LeonMcS]

Not necessarily.

Where I watch the boxing its a permanent fixture every card, whether that means 3 people show up or 500+, and I've been a part of both.

They also ran UFC the day Mayweather fought Marquez. I checked the people watching UFC, at its peak around 6 vs 400+ for the boxing. And that is my argument, wgile they are killing the home market, they have a long way to go in the pub/club stakes.

[andriy]

you must be at a more old school pub

[LeonMcS]

How dare you cast aspertions on my local.

[left jab danny]

and have a limit of one barb wire tattoo per person and you might start making some headway.

Oh thats some funny shit right there:yep

[andriy]

ill cast what i need to address the topic at hand.

[flamengo]

ill cast what i need to address the topic at hand.

Cast a way.. :D

[ranser]

wow, what a breath of fresh air! a non Mundine thread!
thank u.
something new we can talk about to make this place more interesting.

[ranser]

Was at the pub on Sunday (no, really) watching Vics fight and had the chance to catch up with a few guys from the forums and the local scene.

A good time was had by all, and we stayed on to watch the replay of Gonzales-Sorjaturong when the feed suddenly died out after the third round.

So we sat there a bit annoyed when I noticed the UFC was on live on one of the smaller teles. Why not put it on the big screen I thought? I went up to the manager who I knew through my previous "promotional" work and was stunned by the response.

Before I continue, yes I know, the UFC has sold out a live date in Australia within hours. Well done.

Anyway, their response was a flat no.

Verbatim, heres how the conversation went.

"Why not, you're only showing a local ODI match which no-ones watching yet theres 10-15 people here that want to watch UFC (Bare in mind as much as I appreciate UFC, I'm not a fan.)

"No, we have instructions not to show it."

"But its on MainEvent which means you paid for it"

"We can't put it on the big screen"

"Well how about one of the normal screens" (was presently showing half screen sharing a tv with TAB dividends)

"The owner has ordered us not to show it, as we don't want the crowd it brings"

Finally I talked them into putting it on a normal size screen in the back corner where maybe 6-8 people settled in to watch, including a couple of girls who seemed to have come especially for the BJ Penn fight.

Conclusion:

UFC may be winning the home market but there is a long way way to go on the pub market. Have heard from some other places similar tales. One thing I've always maintained about UFC, the scariest part of it is the crowds it brings. Booing a fight 30 seconds in doesn't sit well with me.

Be interested to hear other peoples experiences.


Imagine if a fight broke out after the UFC :D, then YOU would have had a LOT OF explaining to do sir.!:fire

[flamengo]

wow, what a breath of fresh air! a non Mundine thread!
thank u.
something new we can talk about to make this place more interesting.

Thanks to your own observation, his name has been mentioned on this thread also.. :dead

For fuck sakes ranser... You're grounded over the whole entire xmas holidays!!!!!!!! :deal

[ranser]

does anybody here normally order from the girl who walks around serving drinks in her lingerie?

[ranser]

Thanks to your own observation, his name has been mentioned on this thread also.. :dead

For fuck sakes ranser... You're grounded over the whole entire xmas holidays!!!!!!!! :deal

:lol:

[Contendo]

No, there is no money in it, the sport is called MMA, UFC is a promotion company, they make Don King look like a school boy, forget about with this sell out there show, there selling a event, 90% of people will not have a clue who is fighting, they just won't to see blood. it is new and bad, unlike boxing which has been around for years, The fans need match with good fighters, just boxing at this date will not cut the the mustard, this what mainly the UFC has had in the last 3 years in the USA, but it is starting to change, people won't match up now if there going to hand over there money for these PPV event, just saying UFC and some number doesn't get it done all UFC PPV number are down in since UFC 100 because the card are not that good and people are not just going to buy it because dana white said it is the best thing of all time, the fan has become more educated about the sport. it will be the same in OZ to start of with it is an event, new and shiney, but in time the fans won't a good product or they will go else where.

Did you know that paragraphs, punctuation and grammar are your friends... (Fuck me this post was hard to read!)

[sambo1987]

Like Leon said, I'm not a fan of UFC but I can appreciate it, and because alot of my mates are into it I usually end up watching some of the bigger fights. I figure that MMA is just too technical for the casual fan and obviously a touch too brutal. Boxing also has the history, and I know that some of my Dad's mates who aren't into boxing at all, still remember the big fights of the last 30 or so years and remember going with their old man to the fights at some point.

However, I went to watch my mate fight (MMA) one night at the Mansfield tavern in Brissie and was expecting hell, but I had completely the opposite experience. It was a good night of professional bouts and the crowd was great. The MMA crowds are much better than the boxing crowds, every time I go to a boxing event there are drunk fuckwits everywhere and too many "tough" cunts. The MMA crowd are there for the sport and it was just an awesome night.

My take on it anway..

[IntentionalButt]

I wish there was a "pub market" here. For ANY combat sport. :verysad

[ipswich express]

I have no problems with MMA. I've grown to like it somewhat, although IMO a good boxing fight is better than a great MMA fight. It's got a lonnnnnng way to go to match boxing on PPV numbers, especially at pubs. It's a relatively new sport and it's in a boom period right now. It'll be interesting to see where it is in 5-10 years time.

[goodnight]

I'll watch it for free but it comes nowhere near to generating the excitement that a big boxing fight will.

I know it is a very tough sport, but been in too many situations where going to ground means someone else stands on your head....

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Prefer boxing to MMA - but MMA is worth a look for free on Channel ONE.

Chuck Liddell is great to watch on the MMA! Fights like a good pub carpark brawler. Just walks up continually with the right hand ever cocked, and if he connects with it - BANG! Having said that, in last night's show he was knocked cold by the biggest overhand right ever landed in any contact sport, ever!

Kegsy:
Wear the Green 'T' shirt under the Vic 'T' shirt, and change them over at the appropriate time during the card.

(always handy to have a change of clothes if the sh_t hits the fan at the pub - witnesses always describe to the cops the 'T' shirt that the d-head troublemaker was wearing - and it's very handy if you are not wearing the same one later on)

[PIPO23]

BOXING is a dying sport once MMA establishes an amateur grass root system like boxing you will see great all-round fighters.Right now,the guys in MMA are a bunch of x-wrestlers wannabe boxers and muay thai kick boxers..

[sixtennshots]

I think the one area that boxing is failing in atm, where UFC gains some leverage is the 'alphabet belts'. In the UFC there is one undisputed champ in each weight class, easy to follow and promote. Whereas we are stuck with 4 or so belts, interim and vacant titles etc.

I think this all needs to be cleaned up so it is easier for all to follow and true champions of divisions are named and promoted accordingly. There are too many bs titles being fought for and claimed by sub-standard fighters.

The other reason that UFC seem's to be 'taking over' is that they have only one card a month (correct me if im worng) but this allows them to stack the card and promote it well, where as with boxing we will have a number of cards all over the world on any given night.

[LeonMcS]

An amatuer system for MMA?

Yeah, people will do that for free.

[the beaver]

MMA is ok, but i wouldn't buy it at home or anything like that..... Don't mind watching the knockout shows that they have on FOXSPORTS every now and then.

I think UFC is abit like crispy cream doughnuts, ever fucker was buying them and now they are slowly dropping away. It's a fad and it will be interesting if it's still around in 10-20yrs.

Boxing will never die :good

[PIPO23]

An amatuer system for MMA?

Yeah, people will do that for free.


10-15 years from now most boxers will join MMA. BOXING is on it's last couple of breaths.You will not see as many boxers then.I think they will join MMA for money reasons and MMA I predict will be the num 1 fight sport of choice over boxing.

beep---------------------------------------------------------------------- over

[LeonMcS]

OK, but where does that fit in with your amatuer system?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Amateur MMA aint gunna happen. But MMA does have huge momentum at present, and boxing could probably learn a little bit from why that's happening.

If boxing wasn't so fundamentally f_cked at the top (ie too many organisations run by too many crooks), it'd be in a better position to do something towards grabbing back some market share.

[perfect jet]

10-15 years from now most boxers will join MMA. BOXING is on it's last couple of breaths.You will not see as many boxers then.I think they will join MMA for money reasons and MMA I predict will be the num 1 fight sport of choice over boxing.

beep---------------------------------------------------------------------- over

So boxing is flat lining yet Floyd and Pac will both earn about 30 million in a few months time in the biggest money fight in history.

Gotcha.

[PIRA]

Amateur MMA aint gunna happen. But MMA does have huge momentum at present, and boxing could probably learn a little bit from why that's happening.

If boxing wasn't so fundamentally f_cked at the top (ie too many organisations run by too many crooks), it'd be in a better position to do something towards grabbing back some market share.


Amateur MMA has been running for several years. Fights on shows and also tournament events have been regulalry held - and these guys do not get paid.

[PorkChopExpress]

Since I've taken up Kung Fu and BJJ I have a new appreciation and understanding of what's happening in the MMA/UFC ring... I always liked it (never as much as boxing of course), but for the wrong reasons up til now.

I don't think most fans of UFC have any real understanding of the sport nor of it's technical/physical aspects at all though.

More often than not, they purely want to see 2 guys fight it out in what they think are 'barely any rules' matches. They want to see people hurt each other gladiator style and think it's the most dangerous kind of fighting yada yada yada...

They don't realise it's actually not as dangerous and in some aspects is actually less likely to ruin you physically than say Muay Thai, Boxing etc depending on your fight etc of course...

They don't realise that these people are masters of their game, seeing exactly how far they can push their skills - they're in situations beyond the real world where anything could happen in -e.g. if you're going to do back spinning kicks or round kicks in a street fight you're either super talented or an idiot for not using straights which are quicker and harder to see coming.

UFC a controlled environment for these tremendous athletes to push themselves above and beyond their limits. I very much doubt your average Joe UFC fan appreciates that...

They see it as no holds barred, man on man slaughter. Thus the boo's when the ground work kicks in.

It's popularity might be rising swiftly but it's not losing out to boxing fans or general sport fans - it's attracting people who are after the sight of 'uncontrolled' fighting... it's marketed as uncontrolled and it attracts the people who think that's what they're getting.

Of course that's a generalisation to a degree, but I really do think alot of fans of MMA have little idea about what's really happening in that ring other than two guys trying to really hurt each other.

[PorkChopExpress]

BOXING is a dying sport once MMA establishes an amateur grass root system like boxing you will see great all-round fighters.Right now,the guys in MMA are a bunch of x-wrestlers wannabe boxers and muay thai kick boxers..

MMA has had it's grass roots system. Wrestling, Kung Fu, Karate, Jujitsu etc etc etc have had training gyms in every suburb in every major city for decades

[PIRA]

Since I've taken up Kung Fu and BJJ I have a new appreciation and understanding of what's happening in the MMA/UFC ring... I always liked it (never as much as boxing of course), but for the wrong reasons up til now.

I don't think most fans of UFC have any real understanding of the sport nor of it's technical/physical aspects at all though.

More often than not, they purely want to see 2 guys fight it out in what they think are 'barely any rules' matches. They want to see people hurt each other gladiator style and think it's the most dangerous kind of fighting yada yada yada...

They don't realise it's actually not as dangerous and in some aspects is actually less likely to ruin you physically than say Muay Thai, Boxing etc depending on your fight etc of course...

They don't realise that these people are masters of their game, seeing exactly how far they can push their skills - they're in situations beyond the real world where anything could happen in -e.g. if you're going to do back spinning kicks or round kicks in a street fight you're either super talented or an idiot for not using straights which are quicker and harder to see coming.

UFC a controlled environment for these tremendous athletes to push themselves above and beyond their limits. I very much doubt your average Joe UFC fan appreciates that...

They see it as no holds barred, man on man slaughter. Thus the boo's when the ground work kicks in.

It's popularity might be rising swiftly but it's not losing out to boxing fans or general sport fans - it's attracting people who are after the sight of 'uncontrolled' fighting... it's marketed as uncontrolled and it attracts the people who think that's what they're getting.

Of course that's a generalisation to a degree, but I really do think alot of fans of MMA have little idea about what's really happening in that ring other than two guys trying to really hurt each other.


That's a very good post!

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Amateur MMA has been running for several years. Fights on shows and also tournament events have been regulalry held - and these guys do not get paid.

Fair call then Pira.

[ipswich express]

10-15 years from now most boxers will join MMA. BOXING is on it's last couple of breaths.You will not see as many boxers then.I think they will join MMA for money reasons and MMA I predict will be the num 1 fight sport of choice over boxing.

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Not a chance. Check out the purses the fighters earn. Boxing is as healthy as it´s been in years.

[ranser]

I like MMA but not as much boxing.
It can be pretty exciting though, however the MMA'ers aren't exactly true professionals.
They don't have world class boxing, kick boxing or thai boxing skills and possibly wrestling skills because it is a combination of all of the above so some things they do comes across a bit ameteurish , since it involves so many disciplines and it would be virtually impossible to master all of them at once.

[Francis75]

If anyone is not YET a fan of mma i suggest they get themselves on youtube and watch some Fedor Emanlianko and Anderson Silva fights.

I have always been a boxing fan since the mid 1980's and have got into mma over the last year or two watching fights on youtube and reading some mma forums etc. I really enjoy watching the top fighters fight. I think a reason why casual fight fans like it is because nearly every fight ends before the cards. You are nearly always guaranteed to see a stoppage whether that be a submission or some poor soul getting KTFO whereas in boxing you do see some great fights like the recent Paul Williams - Sergio Martinez fight but you also regularly see garbage fights like David Haye-Valuev or Vitali Klitschko-Kevin Johnson. In boxing often you see guys who are just happy to survive and lose on points which creates a shit fight for the viewer but this scenario does not happen in mma. In mma guys come to fight, they don't seem to just show up for a pay cheque which can sometimes be said about boxing.

[teke]

To summarize the thread.

Yes MMA is starting to take over and probably soon will.

[LeonMcS]

I disagree.

[Kegsy]

I strongly disagree also.

[teke]

You'll have to face facts sooner or later

[Rise Above]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:lol::lol:

[LeonMcS]

You'll have to face facts sooner or later


But you like sheep. It says so on my profile page.

[teke]

Indeed it does.

:smoke

[pecks]

Does anyone know if there has been any deaths in UFC/MMA, and if so, how many?

[RDJ]

I wish there was a "pub market" here. For ANY combat sport. :verysad

Seconded. The only sport they show in pubs is football (soccer).

[Hmmm]

Boxing aint dying, its only shifted down a few weight classes. You cant judge the entire state of boxing by the state of the HW division...

As for MMA you can appreciate the skill for sure. I like it but there is more to MMA than UFC, and MMA has the same belt issues as Boxing. There are other MMA organisations, and the same politics apply and thats why we are not seeing Fedor fight the best that UFC has to offer.

I also think its quicker to master the basics of MMA than it is to master the fundamentals of the sweet science. I say this because you dont need to be a master in MMA to be competitive, yet in boxing, if you are not close to perfection you will struggle to beat the top guns.

[perfect jet]

MMA is largely fronted by one guy, Dana White.

Wait until the sport splinters when fighters realise they should be getting paid more.

Lesnar/Couture did 1 mill ppv buys and Lesnar's purse was $2.5 mill with bonuses. Oscar v Pac did 1.25 milll ppv buys and how much did each fighter make? Both made over $10 mill, Oscar closer to $20 mill.

So where did the money go from Lesnar/Couture? certainly not to the fighters.

[goodnight]

like bell bottomed trousers, the fad will pass

[ipswich express]

MMA is largely fronted by one guy, Dana White.

Wait until the sport splinters when fighters realise they should be getting paid more.

Lesnar/Couture did 1 mill ppv buys and Lesnar's purse was $2.5 mill with bonuses. Oscar v Pac did 1.25 milll ppv buys and how much did each fighter make? Both made over $10 mill, Oscar closer to $20 mill.

So where did the money go from Lesnar/Couture? certainly not to the fighters.

You're spot on mate. Some of these guys will figure eventually they should be getting paid a lot more than what they are...

[IntentionalButt]

Seconded. The only sport they show in pubs is football (soccer).

Here it depends on what's in season (American football, basketball, hockey, baseball...never fighting, which is year-round).

[ozziebattler]

Im currently training to have my first MMA bout and have become a huge follower of the sport but feel there is still a place for both at the top of the sporting tree.


As a product MMA(mostly the UFC organisation) have nailed things down nicely and are extremely profitable.

[Rise Above]

Im currently training to have my first MMA bout and have become a huge follower of the sport but feel there is still a place for both at the top of the sporting tree.


As a product MMA(mostly the UFC organisation) have nailed things down nicely and are extremely profitable.

Long time no see battler. Hows things mate and when are you planning on fighting ?

[ozziebattler]

Long time no see battler. Hows things mate and when are you planning on fighting ?

Mate aint 100%sure..i actually want to take things very serious so am not going to jump in2 it until im fully prepared..To be honest i could jump in now against some dud and probably win but im focusing on cutting down to low 80s high 70kgs first..Im currently 86kgs.Im finding the cut hard as i dont exactly have much fat on me..

[pecks]

Mate aint 100%sure..i actually want to take things very serious so am not going to jump in2 it until im fully prepared..To be honest i could jump in now against some dud and probably win but im focusing on cutting down to low 80s high 70kgs first..Im currently 86kgs.Im finding the cut hard as i dont exactly have much fat on me..Hey battler, nice of you to show ya ugly mug again. :good

Hows ya pennies gunna do next year?

[ozziebattler]

Hey battler, nice of you to show ya ugly mug again. :good

Hows ya pennies gunna do next year?


Hey mate..Unlike your bunnies we as per usual fail to purchase genuine gamebreakers.

The clubs bean counters wouldnt know talent if it bit them on the ass..Im a very frustrated supporter..

We need a top notch established half or five-eight...Wade graham aint the answer and ex manly and ex cowboy reject travis burns aint the answer either.

Dont get me wrong Burns is a real goer but why purchase him??..Also Daine Laurie??...

Tim sheens is a extremely good judge of talent so why would he see fit to let Laurie go if he was the realdeal??

Because unlike penrith Sheens and myself are aware of his handling errors and constant bad reads in defence...

Man i can rant on all night about this.haha..

But hey the bunnies are going to have a formiddable pack in 2010..

[pecks]

Hey mate..Unlike your bunnies we as per usual fail to purchase genuine gamebreakers.

The clubs bean counters wouldnt know talent if it bit them on the ass..Im a very frustrated supporter..

We need a top notch established half or five-eight...Wade graham aint the answer and ex manly and ex cowboy reject travis burns aint the answer either.

Dont get me wrong Burns is a real goer but why purchase him??..Also Daine Laurie??...

Tim sheens is a extremely good judge of talent so why would he see fit to let Laurie go if he was the realdeal??

Because unlike penrith Sheens and myself are aware of his handling errors and constant bad reads in defence...

Man i can rant on all night about this.haha..

But hey the bunnies are going to have a formiddable pack in 2010..Yeah, I think I have genuine reason to be pretty optimistic about 2010.

It all started in 2006 when steps were made to build the right team off the field too.

It was hard to imagine back then that up and coming stars would want to go to a club like Souths.

I'm expecting Sandow to have a better year as well. He was restricted whilst under Taylor, he took away his creative freedom which was by far his best asset. Imo it seemed like Taylor was trying to structure him too much when his natural game is more of a flamboyant one.

John Lang was responsible for Preston Campbell coming of age, and he was there to resurrect him after Chris Anderson fucked him up. Campbell and Sandow are kinda similar players too.

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the pennies. Their grand final win over the Roosters is probably the best grand final I've seen aside from Newcastle beating Manly in 97.

[ozziebattler]

Yeah, I think I have genuine reason to be pretty optimistic about 2010.

It all started in 2006 when steps were made to build the right team off the field too.

It was hard to imagine back then that up and coming stars would want to go to a club like Souths.

I'm expecting Sandow to have a better year as well. He was restricted whilst under Taylor, he took away his creative freedom which was by far his best asset. Imo it seemed like Taylor was trying to structure him too much when his natural game is more of a flamboyant one.

John Lang was responsible for Preston Campbell coming of age, and he was there to resurrect him after Chris Anderson fucked him up. Campbell and Sandow are kinda similar players too.

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the pennies. Their grand final win over the Roosters is probably the best grand final I've seen aside from Newcastle beating Manly in 97.

Agree with everything u posted..

Funny my oldman and i were watching newy vs manly 97 on foxsports lastweek.Classic matches..

They dont play footy like that anymore.Totally edge of your seat end to end action..I just couldnt get over how tough Toovey was that game. The stomp he copped from Mad dog was brutal..

[pecks]

Agree with everything u posted..

Funny my oldman and i were watching newy vs manly 97 on foxsports lastweek.Classic matches..

They dont play footy like that anymore.Totally edge of your seat end to end action..I just couldnt get over how tough Toovey was that game. The stomp he copped from Mad dog was brutal..
Yeah. Although I hate Manly with a passion, Toovey was always the more likable guy in that team, and he was as tough as nails as well. He always seemed to pick up a few knocks to the head as well.

That grand final was epic. Prior to that I think Manly had won their last 12 or so against Newcastle and they just seemed to have an aura of invincibility about them.

[zekethedog]

firstly i would like to say im a huge boxing fan and mma fan ,the problem with boxing is obviously the many sanctions that exist mean politics and far too many weight classes are ruining the sport ,some people say that there are other mma companies but the fact remains that the u.f.c has 90% of the market so the competittion barely exists .the u.f.c is gaining in popularity because every card has super competitive fights where as boxing the focus is on the main fight meaning the undercards are used to inflate the records of up and coming fighters not pit good fighters against good fighters.in boxing generally the better fighter is determined after just a few rounds so the result is most likely determined so it loses appeal unless its a very competitive match up.in mma the ways to win are almost endless so you dont really know who is going to win as it could change any moment.i think mma appeals to the broader market as you dont need to know the technicalities to see who is winning.[ e.g alot of people think that throwing punches means you are scoring so dont understand defence work rate or power punches involved in boxing].to finish i will always follow both sports but i can see why the u.f.c is booming.always good fights always good undercards and i really believe the work they put into previewing the fighters prior to the fight makes it feel very personal. just my thoughts

[perfect jet]

firstly i would like to say im a huge boxing fan and mma fan ,the problem with boxing is obviously the many sanctions that exist mean politics and far too many weight classes are ruining the sport ,some people say that there are other mma companies but the fact remains that the u.f.c has 90% of the market so the competittion barely exists .the u.f.c is gaining in popularity because every card has super competitive fights where as boxing the focus is on the main fight meaning the undercards are used to inflate the records of up and coming fighters not pit good fighters against good fighters.in boxing generally the better fighter is determined after just a few rounds so the result is most likely determined so it loses appeal unless its a very competitive match up.in mma the ways to win are almost endless so you dont really know who is going to win as it could change any moment.i think mma appeals to the broader market as you dont need to know the technicalities to see who is winning.[ e.g alot of people think that throwing punches means you are scoring so dont understand defence work rate or power punches involved in boxing].to finish i will always follow both sports but i can see why the u.f.c is booming.always good fights always good undercards and i really believe the work they put into previewing the fighters prior to the fight makes it feel very personal. just my thoughts

nice post. :good

[bblake]

firstly i would like to say im a huge boxing fan and mma fan ,the problem with boxing is obviously the many sanctions that exist mean politics and far too many weight classes are ruining the sport ,some people say that there are other mma companies but the fact remains that the u.f.c has 90% of the market so the competittion barely exists .the u.f.c is gaining in popularity because every card has super competitive fights where as boxing the focus is on the main fight meaning the undercards are used to inflate the records of up and coming fighters not pit good fighters against good fighters.in boxing generally the better fighter is determined after just a few rounds so the result is most likely determined so it loses appeal unless its a very competitive match up.in mma the ways to win are almost endless so you dont really know who is going to win as it could change any moment.i think mma appeals to the broader market as you dont need to know the technicalities to see who is winning.[ e.g alot of people think that throwing punches means you are scoring so dont understand defence work rate or power punches involved in boxing].to finish i will always follow both sports but i can see why the u.f.c is booming.always good fights always good undercards and i really believe the work they put into previewing the fighters prior to the fight makes it feel very personal. just my thoughts

I follow both MMA and boxing and agree with most of what you say. It is wrong to say that MMA fights are "always" good. I think they have their share of boring stuff as well.
Did you enjoy the Kimbo Slice/Houston Alexander thing? I mean, sure they both had respect for each others punches but a full fight of one guy circling with the other having no abilty to trap him, was pretty bad.
I think you are right about the public finding MMA easier to follow. A bit like 20/20 cricket. Cricket for people who hate cricket.
I do think that as MMA and UFC gets bigger and bigger, more people will come to the honey pot and it will start to have exactly the same problems as boxing. ie. Fighters being protected from losses once they become cash cows, Corrupt organisation, more politices, more classes etc etc

[zekethedog]

i agree the kimbo houston fight was boring but on paper it looked like it could be an amazing match up.i just didnt think alexander would be scared.p.s if everyone thinks kimbo needs to work on his ground game they are right but if he wants to fight stand up my god he needs to learn how to check leg kicks .imagine if shogun or vera gets hold of him

[bblake]

i agree the kimbo houston fight was boring but on paper it looked like it could be an amazing match up.i just didnt think alexander would be scared.p.s if everyone thinks kimbo needs to work on his ground game they are right but if he wants to fight stand up my god he needs to learn how to check leg kicks .imagine if shogun or vera gets hold of him
True. I'm just not sure that Kimbo's got it. I even checked his "internet sensation" street fights and I just can't see it. Obviously a powerful guy but that is not enough now.
Biggest disappointment of that night was the Jon Jones disqualification. First time I've seen a full fight of his. Couldn't believe his skills and power.
Ol Roy Nelson was good. I love seeing those fat, nonathletic looking guys win. Once you get past the weight and just watch him, he moves really well and is pretty smart I think. Good at avoiding takedowns and any trouble and can really deal it out.
Anyway, I'll get booted to the MMA forum if I keep this up.

[zekethedog]

True. I'm just not sure that Kimbo's got it. I even checked his "internet sensation" street fights and I just can't see it. Obviously a powerful guy but that is not enough now.
Biggest disappointment of that night was the Jon Jones disqualification. First time I've seen a full fight of his. Couldn't believe his skills and power.
Ol Roy Nelson was good. I love seeing those fat, nonathletic looking guys win. Once you get past the weight and just watch him, he moves really well and is pretty smart I think. Good at avoiding takedowns and any trouble and can really deal it out.
Anyway, I'll get booted to the MMA forum if I keep this up.

jones is a freak reminds me of anderson silva.haha its funny you like big country cause i do too hes very well rounded with unbelievable cardio for a fat dude .how can he stay so fat with that sort of training regime
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[bblake]

jones is a freak reminds me of anderson silva.haha its funny you like big country cause i do too hes very well rounded with unbelievable cardio for a fat dude .how can he stay so fat with that sort of training regime
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Yeah. Some guys just stay that way. Like some boxers will never look ripped, no matter how hard they train and starve. I forgot to mention his cardio. It is pretty amazing.
I think most people that enjoy the technicalities of MMA would appreciate boxing and very much vice versa.

[bblake]

I gotta say, I really enjoyed the thread someone linked to, earlier in this thread.

Poster 1: "Those UFC guys might hate laying on top of each other, and getting suffocated by a guy's ass and crotch, and holding each other in gay positions. They do it for money. Like porn actors."

Poster 2: "What about amateurs? And the ones who are paid a few measly bucks per fight?"

Poster 3: "They do it mostly for the cock." :oops:

Anyway, UFC is great but for lots of reasons I don't think boxing's got anything to worry about just yet.

[Sox]

I like MMA, and first saw some UFC fights sometime around 2002/2002.
I like it ver sisnce and have paid for at least as many UFC events as I have boxing.

I'm not sure what I like more as both can be very good. OTOH, both can be rather shit.

Have no idea if MMA will take over boxing either, personally I can't see why they can't live together.

[Angry Fight Fan]

What are you doing here? Get back to work on that blog, I miss it!

I've been flat out with other commitments and it became a chore. I should be back on it as soon as I can get some time off work.