If your hurt by Hopkins, you have a shaky chin?

[KO Boxing]

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EDIT: Next Question - IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A POWERFUL PUNCHER WHO LANDS A GOOD SHOT(S), DO YOU HAVE A SHAKY CHIN?

[sues2nd]

This comes from people that started watching boxing recently and know nothing about what Hopkins used to be.....a DANGEROUS puncher.

You dont get the name The Executioner by counterpunching your way to decisions.

He was a MONSTER when he was younger....an absolute MONSTER!

As for being hurt by him. Tarver was hurt by him. Tito was stopped by him. Wright was hurt by him. Oscar was hurt by him. Glen Johnson was DECIMATED by him. Joppy was almost killed....ever see the pics of William after that fight?

And so was Taylor. There is NO SHAME in being hurt by one of the best fighters of this generation (and easily/arguably top 25-30 ever....).

[brooklyn1550]

Nothing wrong with being hurt by Hopkins - I don't think Taylor's chin is suspect because of this one shot.

[KO Boxing]

This comes from people that started watching boxing recently and know nothing about what Hopkins used to be.....a DANGEROUS puncher.

You dont get the name The Executioner by counterpunching your way to decisions.

He was a MONSTER when he was younger....an absolute MONSTER!

As for being hurt by him. Tarver was hurt by him. Tito was stopped by him. Wright was hurt by him. Oscar was hurt by him. Glen Johnson was DECIMATED by him. Joppy was almost killed....ever see the pics of William after that fight?

And so was Taylor. There is NO SHAME in being hurt by one of the best fighters of this generation (and easily/arguably top 25-30 ever....).
I agree with you mate... I posted this so people who claim Taylor has a shaky chin cause he was hurt by Hopkins, to give me legitimate reasons.

[tays001]

This comes from people that started watching boxing recently and know nothing about what Hopkins used to be.....a DANGEROUS puncher.

You dont get the name The Executioner by counterpunching your way to decisions.

He was a MONSTER when he was younger....an absolute MONSTER!

As for being hurt by him. Tarver was hurt by him. Tito was stopped by him. Wright was hurt by him. Oscar was hurt by him. Glen Johnson was DECIMATED by him. Joppy was almost killed....ever see the pics of William after that fight?

And so was Taylor. There is NO SHAME in being hurt by one of the best fighters of this generation (and easily/arguably top 25-30 ever....).

MAN YOU JUST SKOOLED THE PEOPL THAT WILL POST IN THE FUTURE:D

IF ANY ONE POST AFTER THIS POST AND SAYS HOPKINS WAS NOT A PUNCHER JSUT CLOSE OUT YOUR PROFILE CUZ YOUR duMB:hey :D

[markbrooklyn]

This comes from people that started watching boxing recently and know nothing about what Hopkins used to be.....a DANGEROUS puncher.

You dont get the name The Executioner by counterpunching your way to decisions.

He was a MONSTER when he was younger....an absolute MONSTER!

As for being hurt by him. Tarver was hurt by him. Tito was stopped by him. Wright was hurt by him. Oscar was hurt by him. Glen Johnson was DECIMATED by him. Joppy was almost killed....ever see the pics of William after that fight?

And so was Taylor. There is NO SHAME in being hurt by one of the best fighters of this generation (and easily/arguably top 25-30 ever....).

I agree with you 100 %. Plus its stupid that these people are here saying Taylor has a shaky chin when he's never really been SERIOUSLY hurt and NEVER been knocked down. He did get buzzed by Hopkins but its not like his legs were all over the place like Zab "Chicken Dance" Judah. Taylor has a good chin.. I'm picking him to beat Pavlik

[tays001]

However I Dnt Think His Chin Will Hold Up To Pavlik The Whole 12 If Im Wrong Well Then Im Wrong

[KO Boxing]

However I Dnt Think His Chin Will Hold Up To Pavlik The Whole 12 If Im Wrong Well Then Im Wrong
Which brings me to my next question, which I might edit and put in my original post...

IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A POWERFUL PUNCHER WHO LANDS A GOOD SHOT(S), DO YOU HAVE A SHAKY CHIN?

i.e. If Pavilk DOES stop Taylor, does this prove all those saying Taylor has a weak beard, right?

[brooklyn1550]

But desptite my feelings that Jermain's chin is not suspect, Pavlik is the kind of puncher who can hurt just about anybody. He has so much leverage and he has that snap at the end of his punches. If he hits Jermain with one of those right hand and the end of it catches JT's chin, it will have a big effect.

[KO Boxing]

But desptite my feelings that Jermain's chin is not suspect, Pavlik is the kind of puncher who can hurt just about anybody. He has so much leverage and he has that snap at the end of his punches. If he hits Jermain with one of those right hand and the end of it catches JT's chin, it will have a big effect.
Although I'm personally tipping Jermain, I agree. Pavlik is a great puncher... But would you say that legitimizes those people's claim who say Taylor has a bad chin if Pavlik was to get him outta there (even if it was early, perhaps?).

[brooklyn1550]

Although I'm personally tipping Jermain, I agree. Pavlik is a great puncher... But would you say that legitimizes those people's claim who say Taylor has a bad chin if Pavlik was to get him outta there (even if it was early, perhaps?).

It probably would....if Taylor were to get stopped in the mid to late rounds after taking a good deal of shots, people would say he has a good chin. If he was stopped early or by one punch, many people would say he has a glass jaw.

[tays001]

Which brings me to my next question, which I might edit and put in my original post...

IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A POWERFUL PUNCHER WHO LANDS A GOOD SHOT(S), DO YOU HAVE A SHAKY CHIN?

i.e. If Pavilk DOES stop Taylor, does this prove all those saying Taylor has a weak beard, right?

HELL YES....:lol:

NAH J/P hELL NO THAT JUST MEAN HE GOT CUAGHT BY A GUY WITH POWER NOW IF SPINKS OR SOME ONE LIKE HIM STOPED jt OR ANY BODY THEN HELL YES.. THIS FEELING OF JT HAVING BAD WHISKER COMES FROM HIS TEAM NOT PUTTING HIM IN WITH PUNCHER AFTER THE B-HOP FIGHTS CUZ HE WAS ROCKED. SO THAT WHERE IT COMES FROM. NOT CUZ HE WAS ROCKED

[sues2nd]

But desptite my feelings that Jermain's chin is not suspect, Pavlik is the kind of puncher who can hurt just about anybody. He has so much leverage and he has that snap at the end of his punches. If he hits Jermain with one of those right hand and the end of it catches JT's chin, it will have a big effect.

Ive said since the beginning. This is always a possibility with a big puncher. Anytime you see a fighter like that, there is always the outside chance that he could stop the other guy with one big hit.

BUT, if styles make fights, a fighter like Pavlik is tailor made (or Taylor made...........ok that was just terrible, I apologize :-( ) for someone like Jermaine. He has a great jab. Great footwork. Great movement. Etc.

I see this as an exciting fight...but one that will be a wide UD for Taylor.

[cross_trainer]

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EDIT: Next Question - IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A POWERFUL PUNCHER WHO LANDS A GOOD SHOT(S), DO YOU HAVE A SHAKY CHIN?

Definitely maybe.

[sues2nd]

Definitely maybe.

:huh

[KO Boxing]

Definitely maybe.
:lol: :good

[cross_trainer]

:huh

Sometimes I wonder too.

[sues2nd]

Hopkins as Sues2nd pointed out was originally known for being a hard hitting puncher, it wasnt until he older that he became the boxer that he is today. His straight right hand has always been in my opinion one of the best in boxing. He throws with the perfect technqiue and precision and you can tell guys feel it when it its them. It may not a knockout punch, but watch the Winky or Taylor fights, and when he shoots out the right hand, they feel.

Anyone who can take a Hopkins right hand has a good chin. Not meaning a spectacular iron one, but on a scale of 1 to 10, I would say a 7. Decent enough, enough to be able to take punishment and survive a big shot

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[sues2nd]

I don't think he has a shaky chin, but to honest..I don't think he's been tested by a guy that can really knock your head off. I just find it weird,that someone with Taylor's experience against top competition, that this his first big test against a real puncher

Again, Hopkins is a REAL puncher.

As is Raul Marquez and Alex Rios (tho neither being close to elite).

But why is EVERYONE putting so much weight into Pavlik's power? If power were everything (as someone already stated) Julian Jackson would be one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Jermain can take a punch, so can Kelly...but Taylor is at least TWICE the boxer that Pavlik is. Hense my pick being Taylor UD.

[Fedor Em]

According to Zakman and Amsterdam if you get visibly hurt by Hopkins once in 12 rounds your chin is glass, so of course he has a shaky chin. :nut

[psychopath]

MAN YOU JUST SKOOLED THE PEOPL THAT WILL POST IN THE FUTURE:D

IF ANY ONE POST AFTER THIS POST AND SAYS HOPKINS WAS NOT A PUNCHER JSUT CLOSE OUT YOUR PROFILE CUZ YOUR duMB:hey :D

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[lillarry]

MAN YOU JUST SKOOLED THE PEOPL THAT WILL POST IN THE FUTURE:D

IF ANY ONE POST AFTER THIS POST AND SAYS HOPKINS WAS NOT A PUNCHER JSUT CLOSE OUT YOUR PROFILE CUZ YOUR duMB:hey :D

No, I believe we need to get their ignorance on record. :yep

[Bigcat]

Bernard is a f###ing Animal..

If you survive a Hopkins onslaught midway through a pacey fight , you are quite some tough guy.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Hopkins has enough power now-a-days to keep you honest. But he is nowhere near the aggressively strong hard-hitter he was up until several years ago.

Rios & Marquez had decent punching power, but they are natural jr.middleweight fighters. Rios also has quite a bad chin and was starched brutally by Marquez in the first round..shit was brutal.

Exactly. Taylor got a scare from Grady Brewer early in his career. Incidentally, he's yet to face a genuine puncher. It aint hard to tell. I mean come on. Look at some of his opposition. Cory Spinks, Kassim Ouma, Winky Wright, etc., all feather fisted. While his team has also attempted to make fights with Felix Sturm and Sergio Mora. It's not a coincidence that none of these guys have any power what so ever, even though Winky still managed to wobble him with a straight left in the 9th round.

[Dorfmeister]

Hopkins roughs you up pretty good and slides elbows in your midsection, occasionaly he may punch your balls or rabbit punch ya in the blind side of the ref, not to mention that he happily leans his head to your face in close, so you may get hurt anyway... But Hopkins doesn't have the weight in his punches to get you stunned like Taylor or Miranda but I would rather fight em than Bernard.

[ChrisPontius]

RJJ took Hopkins best shot without any problem, but according to most here he has a glass chin :lol:

[Zakman]

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EDIT: Next Question - IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A POWERFUL PUNCHER WHO LANDS A GOOD SHOT(S), DO YOU HAVE A SHAKY CHIN?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Obviously circumstances have to be factored in. But Bernard Hopkins - particularly as he got older - was NOT a "powerful puncher" and getting rocked badly by a 40 plus Hopkins should raise questions - particularly when a fighter then faces NOTHING but light-hitters moving up from lower weight classes, and some of those guys buzz him a bit.:patsch

Taylor's chin is, at the least, suspect. And I think he and DiBella KNOW this, which is why they've fought all these smaller, light-hitting fighters ever since Hopkins rocked him!! :nod

Pavlik's gonna show y'all tonight when he exposes both the overrated Taylor AND his questionable whiskers!! :yep

[Koa]

Hopkins sometimes loads and sits on punches from angles you dont see. He mixes up his punches a lot. I don't think he's the most powerful guy out there, but when you get hit with something you don't see comming, or expect a lot, its going to rock you. Guys like Hopkins and James Toney don't have huge power, but they are able to land lots of sneaky shots, which has the same effect as being hit with lots of hard punches.

[Dorfmeister]

RJJ took Hopkins best shot without any problem, but according to most here he has a glass chin :lol:

RJJ never allowed Hopkins to shoot at him in the first place, but in case some counter landed here and there, Jones took it since never had a glass chin, neither has Bernard a steel-hammer punch and that IBF vacant mw title fight was probably the most overlooked fight ever, it took 10 years for people to realize what they had in their hands and demand a rematch that never happened.

[sues2nd]

Hopkins has enough power now-a-days to keep you honest. But he is nowhere near the aggressively strong hard-hitter he was up until several years ago.

Rios & Marquez had decent punching power, but they are natural jr.middleweight fighters. Rios also has quite a bad chin and was starched brutally by Marquez in the first round..shit was brutal.

Tarver, Winky, Taylor, Oscar, Eastman, Joppy....all were hurt in their fights vs Bernard. This Hopkins isnt a power puncher garbage is just that.

Does he have the power he once had? NO! But he is arguably one of the most accurate punchers in the sport....meaning he doesnt just hit hard, but clean and crisp.

Does he KO his opponents like he used to? NO...not at this advanced age. But does he have enough to hurt his opponents? HELL YEAH.

Think about it. Just about everyone he has been in the ring with lately (I say lately, since we are talking about his power as it stands NOW) has been hurt by him.

[platnumpapi]

its not bhop hurts you with one punch, but if you are lucky or unluck enough to get to the later rds with him, those punches add up.the headbuts, the punches on the hip that makes you legs tired, the straight right hand.after a while you will start to fade.

[sues2nd]

I don't remember seeing Winky, Eastman or Joppy hurt in those fights. I know Tarver was numerous times, but I also believe that was due to how much stronger Hopkins is at light heavyweight.

Joppy has said, according to ET, that Hopkins doesn't hit very hard. And the facts are that Hopkins has not scored a KO in three years. That, coming againts a naturally smaller man in DLH. Although as a puncher, they don't get very much more accurate than Hopkins.

Joppy was hurt?

Here is a picture of William....

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Now here is how he looked after the Hopkins fight...

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Tell me again that he wasnt hurt? Or that X doesnt hit that hard....:lol:

As for the Wright fight. Watch the 12th round....Hopkins wobbled him on a couple occasions, even buckled his knees at one point with a lead right.

And Eastman was buzzed a few times throughout the fight. Nothing major, but....hurt nonetheless.

[Knob McDude]

its not bhop hurts you with one punch, but if you are lucky or unluck enough to get to the later rds with him, those punches add up.the headbuts, the punches on the hip that makes you legs tired, the straight right hand.after a while you will start to fade.

As usual, right on.

:thumbsup

[bachatu]

B-Hop has snap and power behind some of his punches. The thing is that he fights with a style so sporadic, sometimes comes in with sneaky right or left that fighters don't see- those are the ones that can stun or wobble you because you dont expect it.

[KhanB]

Thank U for starting this discussion. Dont forget Hops even outpunched Echols who was like a late 90 version of Mugabi. That sneaky right hand of Hopkins is still one of the most dangerous punches in boxing, especially when he senses that your tired.

[bachatu]

Thank U for starting this discussion. Dont forget Hops even outpunched Echols who was like a late 90 version of Mugabi. That sneaky right hand of Hopkins is still one of the most dangerous punches in boxing, especially when he senses that your tired.

Yeah, hes a bastard with that sneaky right... he knows when to pour it on when the fighter is tired. he is very scientific about his way of fighting.

[jecxbox]

Counter punching masters can do just as much damage as heavy KO artist. Thats basically all there is to this.

[jecxbox]

Theres a difference between concussive power and damaging power...Trinidad was a concussive hitter at 147lbs..Miguel Cotto is a damaging puncher - he rearranges faces.