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yesihavearm2
12-21-2009, 12:12 PM
What are your top5 best and worst chins in MMA, Im thinking something along the lines of:


Best

1.Hunt
2.Hendo
3.Fedor
4.Nog
5.Penn

Worst

Kimbo
Arlovski
James Thompson
Sean Salmon
Forrest Griffin



Thoughts?

sitiyzal
12-21-2009, 12:21 PM
worst = Olaf Alfonso

BewareofDawg
12-21-2009, 12:27 PM
Leben should be mentioned in the best.

ufoalf
12-21-2009, 12:43 PM
I'd say

Hunt
Nog
Penn

Fedor is largely untested(least hit MMA fighter...), can't really tell if he has a good chin or not, but he does have good recovery.

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd say

Hunt
Nog
Penn

Fedor is largely untested(least hit MMA fighter...), can't really tell if he has a good chin or not, but he does have good recovery.

Fujita caught Fedor with a shot that would have felled a buffalo (If I remember correctly Fedor moved into it) and it rocked him, but he did recover from it, which was amazing in itself! Big Nog has hit the deck on a couple of occasions (Although he probably wasn't 100% when he fought Mir), but i've never seen BJ so much as shook. Hendo has a superb chin also. To be honest I haven't seen enough of Mark Hunt to have an opinion of him.

ufoalf
12-21-2009, 01:36 PM
Fujita caught Fedor with a shot that would have felled a buffalo (If I remember correctly Fedor moved into it) and it rocked him, but he did recover from it, which was amazing in itself! Big Nog has hit the deck on a couple of occasions (Although he probably wasn't 100% when he fought Mir), but i've never seen BJ so much as shook. Hendo has a superb chin also. To be honest I haven't seen enough of Mark Hunt to have an opinion of him.

He took a flush kick from Crocop to the chin, not many people can handle that.

Fedor did get caught on a temple from Fujita. You're right, he does have great "chin" and definitely great recovery, I just can't base my opinion on literally that one punch which was to the temple. Some people can take a temple shot but not to the chin. Who knows, if that shot landed right under Fedors ear it could've been lights out.

Wige247
12-21-2009, 02:07 PM
Is it Rothwell that eats leather until the ref jumps in?

achillesthegreat
12-21-2009, 02:09 PM
Hunt, Fujita, Cro all caught and stunned Fedor. Even a Rogers jab is a heavy weapon. I think Griffin showed what a jab can do to you. I think Fedor does have a good chin and good recovery as well. He has so much confidence in throwing his wreckless bombs. He must have the chin (or at least the balls) to do that.

Penns chin seems solid as fuck. Nog got run over by a truck and is still here. Hendo has to be up there.

BewareofDawg
12-21-2009, 02:14 PM
Big Baby has the worst chin in the history of MMA

jimmie
12-21-2009, 02:34 PM
Best

Dan Henderson - Look at all the strikes hes faced and I can only recall seeing him legitmately buzzed vs Anderson Silva.

Rampage Jackson - Look at the punishment Wanderlei and Shogun had to dish out on him to get a finish.

BJ Penn - One time I saw a prime Jens buckle him with his classic straight left but besides that ive never seen BJ flinch.

Chris Leben - He has to be added mainly because of how flush he takes these shots and just keeps walking forward.

Fedor - Only vs Fujita was he every truely hurt but he recovered quickly and vs Cro Cop he ate his straight left and high kick but thats it he just ate them.

Worst

Kimbo - Anyone who gets knocked stiff in 10 secounds by a scared guy with a jab bouncing backwards on one foot has a glass jaw.

James Thompson - he has been put to sleep in less then 2 minutes atleast 5 times now.

Marcus Jones - anytime he gets hit clean his knees buckle and hes on the verge of death.

Marvin Eastman - It seems anytime he fights you either see or read about this guy being laid out, Travis Lutter who isnt a striker laid him out cold with a punch that looks like it grazzed of his nose.

Terry Martin - Same as Eastman he even gets KTFO by journeymen, even in fights he has basically in the bag you seem this guy falling down hard.

Thoughts?[/quote]

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Leben should be mentioned in the best.

Chris does have a good chin and there is no shame in being ko'd by Anderson Silva but the people I consider to have the best beards I have yet to see even shook! Of course, out of the people I have in mind, only Dan Henderson has fought Silva! Maybe they should all fight The Spider:-).
P.S just read Jimmie's post and it has reminded me that iron beard BJ once did get shook up by Jens Pulver, (when Little Evil was the best 155 fighter in the world),and Dan did "Cop a buzz" from a flush Silva shot, so I guess I stand corrected! But both Hendo and BJ do possess granite chins!

Vitor Belfort
12-21-2009, 02:52 PM
Best

Penn-i never seen penn hurt

henderson-he can take a shot-rampage couldn't do nothing to him

big nog-yea he go KO by mir but he has taken a beating all his career and only one stoppage.

fedor-I've only seen him hurt one time against fujita and he won that fight

vitor belfort-only loss from couture by TKO. It was because he gassed out and couldn't defend himself anymore. The guy has a good chin.

worst

Marcus Jones- i never seen such a big strong guy gets KO so easily

Andrei Arlovski- one of my idol but damn he has a weak chin

Keith Jardine- the guy gets KO easily

Forrest Griffin- such a warrior but weak chin

Chuck Liddell- One of my idol but once he started facing striker he's been getting KO. (Rampage-Evans-Shogun) he was dropped by jardine.

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 02:53 PM
Best

Dan Henderson - Look at all the strikes hes faced and I can only recall seeing him legitmately buzzed vs Anderson Silva.

Rampage Jackson - Look at the punishment Wanderlei and Shogun had to dish out on him to get a finish.

BJ Penn - One time I saw a prime Jens buckle him with his classic straight left but besides that ive never seen BJ flinch.

Chris Leben - He has to be added mainly because of how flush he takes these shots and just keeps walking forward.

Fedor - Only vs Fujita was he every truely hurt but he recovered quickly and vs Cro Cop he ate his straight left and high kick but thats it he just ate them.

Worst

Kimbo - Anyone who gets knocked stiff in 10 secounds by a scared guy with a jab bouncing backwards on one foot has a glass jaw.

James Thompson - he has been put to sleep in less then 2 minutes atleast 5 times now.

Marcus Jones - anytime he gets hit clean his knees buckle and hes on the verge of death.

Marvin Eastman - It seems anytime he fights you either see or read about this guy being laid out, Travis Lutter who isnt a striker laid him out cold with a punch that looks like it grazzed of his nose.

Terry Martin - Same as Eastman he even gets KTFO by journeymen, even in fights he has basically in the bag you seem this guy falling down hard.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

To be honest with you Jimmie I had forgot about Jens shaking BJ! Mind you it was some time ago! Both Rampage and Hendo also possess supreme chins. As for worst, that blow Lutter ko'd Eastman out with does entitle Marvin to serious "Worst chin" consideration. Mind you, Kimbo's ko defeat looked so bad I initially thought he had took a dive!

Koa
12-21-2009, 02:55 PM
Punch resistance isn't an easy thing to measure.. I remember when Chuck's chin used to be considered among the top in MMA. Years go bye and he gets wobbled a lot easier.

Getting caught with shots they don't see coming.. Remember how great Chucks chin seemed until Rampage caught him with that hook he never saw coming? Then all of a sudden, his legendary punch resistance just disappeared..

Watched Mark Hunt get blind sided by Crocops left leg, when it was the single most dangerous strike around.. He moved right into it, was circling right I believe, didn't see it coming and whamo.. Dazed him... To more recently, he gets jabbed by Manhoef, who is a big striker in his own right, and gets thrashed..

Traded punches with Sefu, literally..

Punch resistance/chins are so fleeting..

Guys like BJ Penn, I honestly think he sees everything that he ever gets hit with, Dan Henderson reminds me more of Mark Hunt.. Rampage, has taken many beatings and is still durable.. Leben, reminds me of Mark Hunt as well..

Not an easy thing to measure.. It seems to be in parth a conscious threshold which is likely genetic.. Other part is likely damage taken over time, and whether or not you see the shit that's hitting you..

jimmie
12-21-2009, 02:57 PM
Best

Penn-i never seen penn hurt

henderson-he can take a shot-rampage couldn't do nothing to him

big nog-yea he go KO by mir but he has taken a beating all his career and only one stoppage.

fedor-I've only seen him hurt one time against fujita and he won that fight

vitor belfort-only loss from couture by TKO. It was because he gassed out and couldn't defend himself anymore. The guy has a good chin.

worst

Marcus Jones- i never seen such a big strong guy gets KO so easily

Andrei Arlovski- one of my idol but damn he has a weak chin

Keith Jardine- the guy gets KO easily

Forrest Griffin- such a warrior but weak chin

Chuck Liddell- One of my idol but once he started facing striker he's been getting KO. (Rampage-Evans-Shogun) he was dropped by jardine.

Liddell doesnt belong on this list now at his old age. Liddell in his prime stood and banged with Rampage in the 1st bout, Overeem, Belfort and Guy Mezger to and was still standing up to their shots. For Jardine has that guy ever took a clean shot that didnt nearly kill him ?

BewareofDawg
12-21-2009, 02:57 PM
Chris does have a good chin and there is no shame in being ko'd by Anderson Silva but the people I consider to have the best beards I have yet to see even shook! Of course, out of the people I have in mind, only Dan Henderson has fought Silva! Maybe they should all fight The Spider:-).
Henderson was shook in that fight, he was clipped by punches and hurt, then kneed and then went to the ground.

Am I wrong? Haven't ever watched the fight again.

jimmie
12-21-2009, 02:59 PM
To be honest with you Jimmie I had forgot about Jens shaking BJ! Mind you it was some time ago! As for worst, that blow Lutter ko'd Eastman out with does entitle Marvin to serious "Worst chin" consideration.[/quote]

Tell me about when I bought UFC 50 on DVD 3-4 years ago I was stunned when I saw that KO. Not because of its brutality neither im like whooooa that dude wasnt even hit. I slowed motioned it and it looked like the knuckle part of Lutters glove just grazzed Eastmans nose. At that point I was laughing and actually inviting people over for them to take a look at it.

jimmie
12-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Henderson was shook in that fight, he was clipped by punches and hurt, then kneed and then went to the ground.

Am I wrong? Haven't ever watched the fight again.

He was hurt thats why ive never thought much of Silva choking Henderson. Silva caught him standing and you could see it in Hendersons next takedown attempt he was gunshy at that point.

jimmie
12-21-2009, 03:02 PM
Punch resistance isn't an easy thing to measure.. I remember when Chuck's chin used to be considered among the top in MMA. Years go bye and he gets wobbled a lot easier.

Getting caught with shots they don't see coming.. Remember how great Chucks chin seemed until Rampage caught him with that hook he never saw coming? Then all of a sudden, his legendary punch resistance just disappeared..

Watched Mark Hunt get blind sided by Crocops left leg, when it was the single most dangerous strike around.. He moved right into it, was circling right I believe, didn't see it coming and whamo.. Dazed him... To more recently, he gets jabbed by Manhoef, who is a big striker in his own right, and gets thrashed..

Traded punches with Sefu, literally..

Punch resistance/chins are so fleeting..

Guys like BJ Penn, I honestly think he sees everything that he ever gets hit with, Dan Henderson reminds me more of Mark Hunt.. Rampage, has taken many beatings and is still durable.. Leben, reminds me of Mark Hunt as well..

Not an easy thing to measure.. It seems to be in parth a conscious threshold which is likely genetic.. Other part is likely damage taken over time, and whether or not you see the shit that's hitting you..

Damage over time is a great point especially for a guy like Hunt. Not only was Hunt put to sleep by Manhoef he was also dropped by Mousasi. IMO theres so much damage to his head/chin that at this point his punch resistance has weakened much like a guy like Fujita or even Cabbage.

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 03:03 PM
He took a flush kick from Crocop to the chin, not many people can handle that.

Fedor did get caught on a temple from Fujita. You're right, he does have great "chin" and definitely great recovery, I just can't base my opinion on literally that one punch which was to the temple. Some people can take a temple shot but not to the chin. Who knows, if that shot landed right under Fedors ear it could've been lights out.

A good point!!

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 03:09 PM
To be honest with you Jimmie I had forgot about Jens shaking BJ! Mind you it was some time ago! As for worst, that blow Lutter ko'd Eastman out with does entitle Marvin to serious "Worst chin" consideration.

Tell me about when I bought UFC 50 on DVD 3-4 years ago I was stunned when I saw that KO. Not because of its brutality neither im like whooooa that dude wasnt even hit. I slowed motioned it and it looked like the knuckle part of Lutters glove just grazzed Eastmans nose. At that point I was laughing and actually inviting people over for them to take a look at it.[/QUOTE]

Hey Jimmie, how about Don Freye? Not only was he imo as tough as anyone, but I can't remember him getting dropped and he was in some wars!! I recall Shamrock snapping both Don's achillies tendons (and Don still won!!!) but didn't Ken take Don down to slap on those nasty heel hooks?

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Henderson was shook in that fight, he was clipped by punches and hurt, then kneed and then went to the ground.

Am I wrong? Haven't ever watched the fight again.

No mate I think you are bang on!! Jimmie had just made the same point regarding Hendo in his fight with Anderson. I watched the fight, but I was undoubtedly "Refreshed" (5am uk time:-)) and like you I haven't watched it since.

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 03:15 PM
Punch resistance isn't an easy thing to measure.. I remember when Chuck's chin used to be considered among the top in MMA. Years go bye and he gets wobbled a lot easier.

Getting caught with shots they don't see coming.. Remember how great Chucks chin seemed until Rampage caught him with that hook he never saw coming? Then all of a sudden, his legendary punch resistance just disappeared..

Watched Mark Hunt get blind sided by Crocops left leg, when it was the single most dangerous strike around.. He moved right into it, was circling right I believe, didn't see it coming and whamo.. Dazed him... To more recently, he gets jabbed by Manhoef, who is a big striker in his own right, and gets thrashed..

Traded punches with Sefu, literally..

Punch resistance/chins are so fleeting..

Guys like BJ Penn, I honestly think he sees everything that he ever gets hit with, Dan Henderson reminds me more of Mark Hunt.. Rampage, has taken many beatings and is still durable.. Leben, reminds me of Mark Hunt as well..

Not an easy thing to measure.. It seems to be in parth a conscious threshold which is likely genetic.. Other part is likely damage taken over time, and whether or not you see the shit that's hitting you..

:good Excellent analysis!

196osh
12-21-2009, 03:42 PM
For Jardine has that guy ever took a clean shot that didnt nearly kill him ?

:lol:

Seems like such a nice dude.

But he always seems so brutally laied out every time he gets KO'd. Like he is about to go to autopsy.

Rico Spadafora
12-21-2009, 04:32 PM
Big Baby has the worst chin in the history of MMA


I always laugh at big huge guys that have Glass Jaws. Pitiful.


I would say Big Baby and Kimbo are two of the worst I have seen ever.

BewareofDawg
12-21-2009, 04:38 PM
I always laugh at big huge guys that have Glass Jaws. Pitiful.


I would say Big Baby and Kimbo are two of the worst I have seen ever.
I thought that but then Kimbo took some nice shots against Alexander. Still not a good chin, but not on Big Baby's level :deal

dublynflya
12-21-2009, 04:41 PM
I always laugh at big huge guys that have Glass Jaws. Pitiful.


I would say Big Baby and Kimbo are two of the worst I have seen ever.

And I can't imagine many people wanting to argue with you Rico!

jimmie
12-21-2009, 10:16 PM
:lol:

Seems like such a nice dude.

But he always seems so brutally laied out every time he gets KO'd. Like he is about to go to autopsy.

:yep I was discussing this with a fella at my BJJ school a few hours ago we agreed it looks like Jardine is laying in a coffin everytime he gets stopped.

Nosbor
12-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Big Crack Baby has the best chin in the history of MMA

Fixed it for ya. :D

2FastByFar
12-22-2009, 01:03 AM
Strong: Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone (Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.)

Weak: Jonathan “The Road Warrior” Goulet (He would be a top 10 WW if his chin wasn't glass.)

The Priest
12-22-2009, 12:44 PM
best 3
noguera
fador just realized all pride fighters :good
hendo

québecwarrior
12-22-2009, 07:44 PM
No Patrick COte??

jimmie
12-22-2009, 09:52 PM
No Patrick COte??

Cote has a good beard him and Leben stood toe to toe numerous times and neither guy flinched and they are known as KO artist.

theHawtness
12-23-2009, 05:55 AM
when i think of glass chins, one name stands out: keith jardine
what's more shocking is that he's a tough looking mofo.

jimmie
12-23-2009, 02:01 PM
when i think of glass chins, one name stands out: keith jardine
what's more shocking is that he's a tough looking mofo.

Whats also shocking is usually when a guy has the kind of heart Keith Jardine has he can take a punch. Jardine is always still trying just look at the Rampage fight but shit he cant get grazzed without his knees atleast touching the mat. Its quite sad because he seems like a nice guy and a hard worker and is a quality fighter beating Forrest, Liddell and Vera prove that. However that glass jaw gets him in trouble, he should have beat Alexander but the jaw got in the way and he outpointed Rampage but factor in the KDs he lost a decision. Give Keith Jardine say Dan Hendersons chin and this guy is in the top 5 right now.

bored
12-23-2009, 02:49 PM
Anyone that looks like techno viking shouldn't have a bad chin.