Felix Sturm vs Artur Abraham

[Odo]

What do you guys think about an encounter between the two best German based middle weights?
Whenever Sturm is asked about his Armenian rival he either dismisses him as not worthy of his steel,or tries to belittle him somehow.Sturm tends to talk about big fights sounding as if he were the man who calls the shots at middle weight,but he very seldom walks the walk.
Sturm's next opponent is an unknown clubfighter from Uruguay whereas Abraham will face his very capable Armenian compatriot Gevor.
Gevor is a merciless warrior who will try to give hell to Abraham.Difficult fight for Abraham.Gevor is no Uruguayan clubfighter.
I for my part wouldnt bet a single coin on Sturm against Abraham.I guess that he wouldnt even be able to go the full route with the Armenian.
Castillejo knocked him down,and the old Spaniard surely doesnt have as much pop as Abraham.
Anyone out there who is a different opinion and thinks that STurm could outbox Abraham?

PS:Of course I dont think that STurm vs Abraham will ever come off.Sturm wont take such a high risk squaring off against an opponent who makes Castillejo look like a choir boy.

[geppy]

Abraham by KO.

Sturm is a good boxer, but I think Abraham would win by Ko. If Castilljo can knock out Sturm , you can imagine what will happen if Abraham lands.

[geppy]

Sturm did impress me against De La Hoya. I was shocked for him to be KO'd against Castilljo.

For Sturm to win he would have to have a perfect game plan and execute flawlessly , keep his excellent jab going, and use his legs. I wouldnt expect for that to happen ( Sturm win) but I guess stranger things has happend.

[Alcaldemb]

Abraham is too strong, hits too hard, and can match or exceed him in the skill department. If they ever fight, and as Odo correctly states they won't, Abraham stops Sturm in the middle rounds.

[unitas]

abraham hits too hard. he´ll ko sturm.

[Throwing doubles]

I'll go for Sturms boxing skills any day.

[VHB]

Sturm talks this and that, and then defends his title against Uruguayan local fighter.

[Hrak]

Abraham by KO. Simply put Sturm got KO'd by Castillejo, the same guy who was used as a tune-up by a shot Vargas. Vargas almost KO'd him btw. Abraham matches sturm in every department and exceed him in a few critical ones, like Power and Chin. Plus his faced much better competition. Abraham by 6th round KO.

[Flurry]

Sturm on points but he´d need to be focused for the full route.

People imo put slightly too much emphasis on the castillejo KO, Sturm was widely leading on the cards and made the mistake of trading with the guy. He did so in order to avoid the treatment he had received by the crowd when he ran for the last round in the match against the Kiwi puncher (forgot his name). he had got whistled and booed in that incident. That btw was a crowd response that one and for all proved par excellence that german boxing crowds often have no clue about the game. :good

Sturm had the match in his bag but started acting stupidly in the first castillejo fight.

Sturm btw said he didnt believe a fight against Abrams was likely to come off. "seeing sauerland only has got one World Champ left you can figure yourself how sincerely them calling me out (to make Abrams vs Sturm) is meant to be". Kohl said: "I do not have received anything resembling a substantial or serious fight offer"

[Hrak]

Sturm on points but he´d need to be focused for the full route.

People imo put slightly too much emphasis on the castillejo KO, Sturm was widely leading on the cards and made the mistake of trading with the guy. He did so in order to avoid the treatment he had received by the crowd when he ran for the last round in the match against the Kiwi puncher (forgot his name). he had got whistled and booed in that incident. That btw was a crowd response that one and for all proved par excellence that german boxing crowds often have no clue about the game.

Sturm had the match in his bag but started acting stupidly in the first castillejo fight.

Sturm btw said he didnt believe a fight against Abrams was likely to come off. "seeing sauerland only has got one World Champ left you can figure yourself how sincerely them calling me out (to make Abrams vs Sturm) is meant to be". Kohl said: "I do not have received anything resembling a substantial or serious fight offer"
Every boxer whose been in with Abraham has gotten hit, theres never been one fighter who was able to outbox Abraham for any duration of time during the entire fight or a particular round. Abraham beat the 6'4 version of Sturm in Ikeke, thers no way Sturms gone get Abrahams respect with his punches, theres no way. Thats why his gone loose. To beat Abraham, you have to be willing to take bombs, Sturms is just not that type of fighter. Hill either go into a shell and make it a track meet as soon as he tastes Abrahams power, or hill get KO'd trying to be tuff.

[Flurry]

Every boxer whose been in with Abraham has gotten hit, theres never been one fighter who was able to outbox Abraham for any duration of time during the entire fight or a particular round. Abraham beat the 6'4 version of Sturm in Ikeke, thers no way Sturms gone get Abrahams respect with his punches, theres no way. Thats why his gone loose. To beat Abraham, you have to be willing to take bombs, Sturms is just not that type of fighter. Hill either go into a shell and make it a track meet as soon as he tastes Abrahams power, or hill get KO'd trying to be tuff.

you re entitled to your opinion - but I do not share it :D

Ikeke btw was a complete dissapointment, wasn t he? Abrams made short work of him, the guest was gunshy and simply didnt come in to win, he looked like sitting duck. Full credit to Abrams for finishing him off, but I see few similarities between ikeke and Sturm.

Sturm (who decisively beat DLH) is the technically better fighter of the two, but as said he needs to be focused for the complete route.

The fight will never come off though, so this is all speculation, of course.

[Darien]

But actually, after last saturday, i would more like to see Sturm-Sylvester. Would be more interesting imo.
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[VHB]

Sylvester would just stand there and let them destroy him. Sturm would just run away from Abraham. Abraham would just CRUSH them both.

[Odo]

Sturm on points but he´d need to be focused for the full route.

People imo put slightly too much emphasis on the castillejo KO, Sturm was widely leading on the cards and made the mistake of trading with the guy. He did so in order to avoid the treatment he had received by the crowd when he ran for the last round in the match against the Kiwi puncher (forgot his name). he had got whistled and booed in that incident. That btw was a crowd response that one and for all proved par excellence that german boxing crowds often have no clue about the game. :good

Sturm had the match in his bag but started acting stupidly in the first castillejo fight.

Sturm btw said he didnt believe a fight against Abrams was likely to come off. "seeing sauerland only has got one World Champ left you can figure yourself how sincerely them calling me out (to make Abrams vs Sturm) is meant to be". Kohl said: "I do not have received anything resembling a substantial or serious fight offer"

Once again welcome back to esb,universum!

As for your quotations of Kohl if I remember correctly Abraham's promoter Sauerland called Kohl's statement a lie publishing an offer for a fight between his boy Abraham and Sturm the day after Kohl had made aforementioned statement.

By the way you damn right in saying that German boxing crowds very often dont have a clue about the game.

Haha! I see that you still have a fairly good opinion of Sturm despite his ko loss to Castillejo,despite his countless pathetic performances against limited journeymen,despite his gift decision against Velasquo.Abraham brutally stopped the Argie-he didnt need the judges ' help.

Well,merry,as you can see I am still not sold on Sturm.

[Flurry]

Once again welcome back to esb,universum!

As for your quotations of Kohl if I remember correctly Abraham's promoter Sauerland called Kohl's statement a lie publishing an offer for a fight between his boy Abraham and Sturm the day after Kohl had made aforementioned statement.

By the way you damn right in saying that German boxing crowds very often dont have a clue about the game.

Haha! I see that you still have a fairly good opinion of Sturm despite his ko loss to Castillejo,despite his countless pathetic performances against limited journeymen,despite his gift decision against Velasquo.Abraham brutally stopped the Argie-he didnt need the judges ' help.

Well,merry,as you can see I am still not sold on Sturm.

Odo my mate

I see you re still heartily disliking Sturm :lol: despite his numerous good performances as well. You know I disagree with you about him allegedly winning a fluke decision against Velasco, he pretty much dominated him well into the middle rounds and ran out of gas late on as he had been preparing for I think an 8 rounder (schenk was supposed to take on Velasco I think). IMo he won the fight by a fair margin. Its not that significant to me Abrams beat him better, different fighter, different day, different game plan and cross comaparisons very seldomly hold much value, Im sure you yourself could give countless examples of that sort.

As I said further up his KO defeat to castillejo which he has avenged in the meantime was up to the wrong gameplan. He was leading on the cards but then decided to trade with a guy who´s only chance was a KO at that time (remember the whistling crowd after the final round in the Kiwi fight, stupid crowd:patsch ). I dont remember too many bad showing s versus so called Journeymen either, in total his resume looks probably better than Abrams or at least not noteworthy worse. Abraham fought people coming up in weight for him, didnt he? in Taylor, Kofuah and demiers, admittedly his Eastman (close) and Miranda wins were pretty impressive though

I havent read anything about sauerland replying to Kohls statements as of late, in fact those statements were made only very recently, i think I heard them on german telly last sunday or saturday.

sauerland of course has to produce some waves now what with the number of his reigning champs diminishing by the months these days.

Odo, I see you re still the heart and sould of this section, keep it up, I hope you re fine and all

[Odo]

Odo my mate

I see you re still heartily disliking Sturm :lol: despite his numerous good performances as well. You know I disagree with you about him allegedly winning a fluke decision against Velasco, he pretty much dominated him well into the middle rounds and ran out of gas late on as he had been preparing for I think an 8 rounder (schenk was supposed to take on Velasco I think). IMo he won the fight by a fair margin. Its not that significant to me Abrams beat him better, different fighter, different day, different game plan and cross comaparisons very seldomly hold much value, Im sure you yourself could give countless examples of that sort.

As I said further up his KO defeat to castillejo which he has avenged in the meantime was up to the wrong gameplan. He was leading on the cards but then decided to trade with a guy who´s only chance was a KO at that time (remember the whistling crowd after the final round in the Kiwi fight, stupid crowd:patsch ). I dont remember too many bad showing s versus so called Journeymen either, in total his resume looks probably better than Abrams or at least not noteworthy worse. Abraham fought people coming up in weight for him, didnt he? in Taylor, Kofuah and demiers, admittedly his Eastman (close) and Miranda wins were pretty impressive though

I havent read anything about sauerland replying to Kohls statements as of late, in fact those statements were made only very recently, i think I heard them on german telly last sunday or saturday.

sauerland of course has to produce some waves now what with the number of his reigning champs diminishing by the months these days.

Odo, I see you re still the heart and sould of this section, keep it up, I hope you re fine and all

As ususal a true pleasure to read your posts,merry!
Me alegro mucho verte otra vez aqui en este forum escibiendo tu opinion sobre ciertas boxeadores.Porque dejas de escribir aqui hace un ano or algo asi? Como quiera que sea!
Well,I slightly disagree with you,merry. I for my part think that Abraham's fight record is better than Sturm's one.

He struggled/showed pathetic performances against Robert Davis,Didier Mupeko,and Tschepo Maschego.
Velasquo vs Sturm could have gone either way.I wouldnt argue the toss whether STurm deserved the victory or not,but I watched that fight live and had Velasquo ahead on points.Of course very often you can judge a fight much better sitting in front of a tv set than occupying a seat in a box arena.I know that Schenk was suppossed to face Velasquo,and that Sturm was the last minute replacement.Sturm wasnt ready to go 12 rounds then.Props to him for taking that fight! However,Velasqo was the defending champ,and he was the one who was chasing Sturm throughout their entire bout.I thought that the Argie did enough to win that fight-especially in the later rounds.But as I said I wouldnt argue the toss about it.

[Danny Ocean]

sturm decision

[geppy]

What is the deal with Sturms next opponent? What is the point of even fighting the guy? It is a disgrace for a World champion to fight a guy like this.

Noe Tulio Gonzalez Alcoba has beat a total of 6 fighters with a winning record ,and barely just above 50 % winning records at that.
Do you think Alcoba earned a title shot with his latest victory win over Sanchez 6-8-1 with 2 KO's? What a farce.

[Chillman]

Yeah, this guy from Uruguay is only an easy tune up disguised as a challenger.
Hopefully Sturm's mandatory defense against Griffin on August 25 will go through as planned, that one should be a bit more competitive at the least.

[Flurry]

As ususal a true pleasure to read your posts,merry!
Me alegro mucho verte otra vez aqui en este forum escibiendo tu opinion sobre ciertas boxeadores.Porque dejas de escribir aqui hace un ano or algo asi? Como quiera que sea!
Well,I slightly disagree with you,merry. I for my part think that Abraham's fight record is better than Sturm's one.

He struggled/showed pathetic performances against Robert Davis,Didier Mupeko,and Tschepo Maschego.
Velasquo vs Sturm could have gone either way.I wouldnt argue the toss whether STurm deserved the victory or not,but I watched that fight live and had Velasquo ahead on points.Of course very often you can judge a fight much better sitting in front of a tv set than occupying a seat in a box arena.I know that Schenk was suppossed to face Velasquo,and that Sturm was the last minute replacement.Sturm wasnt ready to go 12 rounds then.Props to him for taking that fight! However,Velasqo was the defending champ,and he was the one who was chasing Sturm throughout their entire bout.I thought that the Argie did enough to win that fight-especially in the later rounds.But as I said I wouldnt argue the toss about it.


Hola muchacho, veo que mantienes tu castellano "in tip top shape", o asi parece al menos, todavia viajas a Espana de vez en cuando? Sadly, my spanish has been going down the drain for lack of practise, though mate.

It appears we will not come to agree on the Sturm issue, as we never were able to even in the past and that despite otherwise agreeing on lets say 90% of other boxing issues, but that´s not important. I have erred lots of times when predicting matches in the past and maybe if this fight came off Abrams would wipe the floor with him and I´d have to come here and tell you "err, right Odo, sorry, but seems you were right" :D

One last thing: In yesterday´s press here, Sauerland was quoted as saying that a potential up coming fight between Sturm and his own Sebastian Sylvester would have to be postponed until next year as he (Sauerland) knew that sturm first had a voluntary defence of his title at hand (end of this month) and after that his next mandatory against I think randy griffin, so the next available date for a fight between these two would be no sooner than early next year at best.

[Artani]

Sturm is completly fighter , he have more boxing skills , Abraham only punching harder than Sturm .

[boxexpert]

it would be advisable if sturm doesnt do that fight,he can only lose and the chance is big that it happens by KO

[brooklyn1550]

Abraham KO

[Leifhackman]

After seeing Sturm-Castillejo I don't think I would want to see Sturm and Abraham against each other. I hate to watch boxing fight where the other guy practically only trying to avoid boxing.