Taylor will beat Pavlik because of handspeed.

[David B]

Speed kills,especially at the highest level.Taylor has much better handspeed than Pavlik and will beat him to the punch and outbox him.
Pavlik may be the bigger puncher but you can't hit what you can't touch.If Taylor goes to war there is a chance he will get caught but he won't do that,he will use his superior speed and outbox and outpunch Pavlik.I doubt it will be a spectacular fight but Taylor will do what's necessary to win by UD 12.

[Tko4]

I'll be cheering for Pavlik, but I think Taylor will decision him.

[PH|LLA]

Yeah, it's that simple, huh? I guess Roy Jones should've blasted right through Tarver and Glen JOhnson.:patsch
is there any doubt that a prime Jones would have?

[rodney]

It doesnt matter what Taylor has or does.
The fact is, he will lose because what he doesnt have and that is
---- heart.
He will get knocked out tonite.

[Hadrian]

i think taylor is considerably faster...but he doesn't know how to use it-and is is not a speed phenom by any stretch of the imagination. You have to know how to use speed especially foot speed. PBF is not only fast he knows how to use it, the movements, the subtlties, the space and timing and rythims to imbalance the other guy...that's why he got to Zab who may be even faster naturaly. I don't think taylor is soo much faster and I think he has no idea how to use his speed.

[Toopretty]

Taylor is a big extremely fast middle. The thing is he is going to be able to hit pavlik a whole lot...but pavlik will keep coming after him looking to trade. It would be JT's fight if pavlik just had power and not so good a beard. pavlik is one tough son of a bitch. He will take to give off his bombs. That is what is going to win him the fight. JT has a tendency to get lured into brawls. If he does not get lured the longer he will last and maybe get a decision. JT has decent erky jerk movement to avoid pavliks slow power shots but JT keeps his guard down too low and sometimes falls in with his head which too dangerous of a mistake to make b/c Kelly can throw a mean str8 right hand that is not looping or wild. Fuck the JT haters. This is just a bad match up for him.

[Toopretty]

he looked prime to me when he embarrased ruiz.

Then he fights tarver, gets a gift decision from the judges and he's no longer in his prime? You guys are a joke. Make up your mind. It seems Roy looks good/bad when its convenient for you guys.:patsch

Retard he came down from heavy to light heavy losing over 25 pounds of muscle ...that will affect anyone...retard..

[Toopretty]

Speed kills,especially at the highest level.Taylor has much better handspeed than Pavlik and will beat him to the punch and outbox him.
Pavlik may be the bigger puncher but you can't hit what you can't touch.If Taylor goes to war there is a chance he will get caught but he won't do that,he will use his superior speed and outbox and outpunch Pavlik.I doubt it will be a spectacular fight but Taylor will do what's necessary to win by UD 12.

Pavlik cannot be in a boring fight. He has too much reach to much size and he is too willing to give and take. He will always make it a fight. JT cant really run from him and has to use more then a jab to keep pavlik at bay. JT will have to fight and hopefully his hand speed and decent head and body movement will allow him to beat the brakes of pavlik while making pavlik miss and hopefully hurting him.

[achillesthegreat]

Reach, timing, punch ouput and slowing Taylor down via muscling and body work!

Pavlik can overcome this disadvantage.

Someone needs to execute their game!

[Amsterdam]

Taylor's hands aren't THAT fast. They are moderately quick, but nothing like a true speedy fighter.

[K_Ologist]

PBF is not only fast he knows how to use it, the movements, the subtlties, the space and timing and rythims to imbalance the other guy...that's why he got to Zab who may be even faster naturaly. I don't think taylor is soo much faster and I think he has no idea how to use his speed.

Very good point, I'm not a Floyd fan but he knows how to use his speed with little space and to create space to counterattack or move away. JT seems like he needs space to use his speed effectively as he has almost zero infighting ability. I'm interested in seeing how much holding Smoger is going to allow tonight because that's JT's primary defense when a fighter gets inside on him.

[achillesthegreat]

Taylor's hands aren't THAT fast. They are moderately quick, but nothing like a true speedy fighter.
You are an unbelievable hater.

He isn't Roy Jones but his hands are fast - end of discussion!

[Amsterdam]

You are an unbelievable hater.

He isn't Roy Jones but his hands are fast - end of discussion!

They are moderately quick, they really aren't in the realm of speed demon fast, which Calzaghe, Kessler & Dawson all have extremely fast hands.

Do you want to compare his hands to three lesser current fighters than a prime RJJ? Because I just listed them, all 3 of those guys throws far faster combinations than Taylor, and I mean FAR.

Mundine is also much quicker.

[mustang sally]

Taylor is a big extremely fast middle.
Are people coming up with this "Taylor is super athletic with extremely fast hands and feet" shit because he is black.

The guy is the definition of average. Average hand speed, average punching power, below average footwork and moves around stiff and rigidly.

[Stezzie]

all fighters have to lose weight/muscle dipshit. Tarver naturally walks around as a heavyweight and he was able to come down and put an ass whoopin on roy so your logic is moot.

Loosing 25 lbs of muscle and losing 25 lbs of fat is two different things dipshit...

[Toopretty]

Are people coming up with this "Taylor is super athletic with extremely fast hands and feet" shit because he is black.

The guy is the definition of average. Average hand speed, average punching power, below average footwork and moves around stiff and rigidly.

Taylor has fast hands for a middleweight..he can throw a jab and hook of that same fucking jab in a blink. STFU I never said legs were fast. Retard...If compared to a welter he is average.

[Toopretty]

They are moderately quick, they really aren't in the realm of speed demon fast, which Calzaghe, Kessler & Dawson all have extremely fast hands.

Do you want to compare his hands to three lesser current fighters than a prime RJJ? Because I just listed them, all 3 of those guys throws far faster combinations than Taylor, and I mean FAR.

Mundine is also much quicker.

Kessler hands are not even fast...he has a quick release of his right hand that is all. SORRY

[Amsterdam]

Kessler hands are not even fast...he has a quick release of his right hand that is all. SORRY

Watch more Kessler mate, the guy has very fast hands.

[Ambition_Def]

Dumb..

Taylor's handspeed is not significantly faster than Pavlik's handspeed. I'd be more worried about the disparities in power and durability if I were you.

[RUSKULL]

It could happen that way but speed isn't everything. Taylor lacks defense & I think his power is questionable especially when he's throwing fast. Pavlik is a very busy, heavy handed fighter with a solid chin.

Good close fight right here, I can't wait!! :D :hey

[RUSKULL]

Watch more Kessler mate, the guy has very fast hands.

I think Kessler has a better jab than Pavlik or Taylor too.

[Toopretty]

Watch more Kessler mate, the guy has very fast hands.


Bammm wrong..good timing and a quick release on the right following a jab. The one, two appears fast to guys like you. But a fighter that can throw a hard jab and then hook off of that same hand to the body and head has the faster hands..That would be JT....sorry.

[achillesthegreat]

They are moderately quick, they really aren't in the realm of speed demon fast, which Calzaghe, Kessler & Dawson all have extremely fast hands.

Do you want to compare his hands to three lesser current fighters than a prime RJJ? Because I just listed them, all 3 of those guys throws far faster combinations than Taylor, and I mean FAR.

Mundine is also much quicker.
He has fast hands. He has the sort of speed that gives you trouble - ask Hopkins or Wright.

Kesslers combinations are all straight variations. Dawson and Calzaghe have got very impressive speed.

Taylor however has reeled off good 3 or 4 punch combos with no response from fighters like X and Wright!

Taylor is fast - this isn't debatable. He isn't super fast but he is fast.

[Toopretty]

He has fast hands. He has the sort of speed that gives you trouble - ask Hopkins or Wright.

Kesslers combinations are all straight variations. Dawson and Calzaghe have got very impressive speed.

Taylor however has reeled off good 3 or 4 punch combos with no response from fighters like X and Wright!

Taylor is fast - this isn't debatable. He isn't super fast but he is fast.
:good These retards belittle him any chance they get. His left hand is fast no matter how you slice it.

[pit]

Are people coming up with this "Taylor is super athletic with extremely fast hands and feet" shit because he is black.

The guy is the definition of average. Average hand speed, average punching power, below average footwork and moves around stiff and rigidly.


Palese if that was the case he would have never been able to share the ring with Nard , winky or even spinks.
are you playing Taylor attributes down because he is black ?! sure seem like it.

[The Kurgan]

If Taylor wins, and I give him about a 45% chance of doing so, it'll be because of handspeed. If he pumps out the jab, follows behind it with hard combinations, and keeps his defense nice and tight, he can win this fight in impressive fashion.

However, to do so, he'd have to truly give of himself. I don't think I've ever seen Taylor put it all on the line; he always seems to be keeping something back, as if winning doesn't matter that much to him. His subdued reaction to the Wright draw reinforced this view. Only if Taylor can find some sort of latent fire within himself will he be able to beat Pavlik.

[mustang sally]

Palese if that was the case he would have never been able to share the ring with Nard , winky or even spinks.


I didn't say anything that wasn't true. He is quite average at nearly every facet of the game. Not ohhirble but not great either.

And if it weren't for the friendly judges he wouldn't have come out of the ring with Hopkins or Winky with wins.

[Toopretty]

Dumb..

Taylor's handspeed is not significantly faster than Pavlik's handspeed. I'd be more worried about the disparities in power and durability if I were you.


Now that is the dumbest shit I heard since this fight has been announced hands down.....you must be slow of mind. That is mentally retarded to say that. Pavlik is a slow power middleweight. JT is the direct opposite. :rofl:nut:nut:nut

[Toopretty]

If Taylor wins, and I give him about a 45% chance of doing so, it'll be because of handspeed. If he pumps out the jab, follows behind it with hard combinations, and keeps his defense nice and tight, he can win this fight in impressive fashion.

However, to do so, he'd have to truly give of himself. I don't think I've ever seen Taylor put it all on the line; he always seems to be keeping something back, as if winning doesn't matter that much to him. His subdued reaction to the Wright draw reinforced this view. Only if Taylor can find some sort of latent fire within himself will he be able to beat Pavlik.

Excellent post:good

[mustang sally]

TIf compared to a welter he is average.

Well he's made a career out of fighting welterweights enough to invite comparison.

Calzaghe,Sturm and Kessler have far faster hands than cheekbones.

[Toopretty]

I didn't say anything that wasn't true. He is quite average at nearly every facet of the game. Not ohhirble but not great either.

And if it weren't for the friendly judges he wouldn't have come out of the ring with Hopkins or Winky with wins.

If JT was average at everything. He would of been beaten by now. And no BHOP did not win with his ugly fights with Taylor and his 10-12 round come backs.

[Toopretty]

STFU already. It's pretty obvious that most people on here aren't blinded by the nuthugging like you are when it comes to taylor's handspeed. Taylor's handspeed is AVERAGE, at best. Deal with it Rosie.


WRONGGG bitch..again stick to fucking hockey or any other sport. You dont know shit about boxing. Average hand speed..ahahahaha Sturm...and Kesslers ONE, TWO..lol... ahahaha wow....

[Stezzie]

Now that is the dumbest shit I heard since this fight has been announced hands down.....you must be slow of mind. That is mentally retarded to say that. Pavlik is a slow power middleweight. JT is the direct opposite. :rofl:nut:nut:nut

Not everyone that post on this site has had the priviledge of riding on the long bus to get to school...you must keep that in mind...:good

[mustang sally]

duhh.....you must be retarded to hold a different opinion to me.....retarded. why you be saying that he aint have fast hands foh?.....retarded.he has fast hands and did not only fight welterweights and junior middleweights prior to getting a gift decision over Hopkins. Retarded. Do you like the picture of my mom in my av? retarded.

Great post.

[Ambition_Def]

Now that is the dumbest shit I heard since this fight has been announced hands down.....you must be slow of mind. That is mentally retarded to say that. Pavlik is a slow power middleweight. JT is the direct opposite. :rofl:nut:nut:nut

We'll see in about 6:30 hours now won't we? :hey

[Toopretty]

Well he's made a career out of fighting welterweights enough to invite comparison.

Calzaghe,Sturm and Kessler have far faster hands than cheekbones.

You guys are some dumb maniacal bitches..I dont even fucking like JT..:rofl:rofl:rofl But I state the obvious that the whole boxing world knows.... Fucking ESB corkys..

[El Bombasto]

Speed kills,especially at the highest level.Taylor has much better handspeed than Pavlik and will beat him to the punch and outbox him.
Pavlik may be the bigger puncher but you can't hit what you can't touch.If Taylor goes to war there is a chance he will get caught but he won't do that,he will use his superior speed and outbox and outpunch Pavlik.I doubt it will be a spectacular fight but Taylor will do what's necessary to win by UD 12.

I expect Taylor to win, but you are giving way too much credit to his handspeed. Taylor's hand speed is slightly above average, Pavlik's is average. You seem to think that Taylor's handspeed is on the level of Zab Judah's or Sweet Pea's, and nothing could befurther from the truth.

[Toopretty]

Great post.

Nice attempt at racism..with your Foh...bitch do I talk country no...bitch am I from the south..No.......fuck you and your little dumb ass comments know nothing cunt..

[pit]

I didn't say anything that wasn't true. He is quite average at nearly every facet of the game. Not ohhirble but not great either.

And if it weren't for the friendly judges he wouldn't have come out of the ring with Hopkins or Winky with wins.

please winky took a great deal of shots upside the head , he defense is what kept him from getting KO, and then he prices himself out the rematch ..

you people seem to forget that spinks , Winky as well as hopkins have above average defense perhaps the best aside from Tony , and floyd , no one has really put a solid shot on any of these guys, except for Zab on spinks other then that who has really beat these guys D ?

I think Pavlic as well as his fan are really underestimating Taylor and Im not even a fan of Taylor's ..

[Toopretty]

please winky took a great deal of shots upside the head , he defense is what kept him from getting KO, and then he prices himself out the rematch ..

you people seem to forget that spinks , Winky as well as hopkins have above average defense perhaps the best aside from Tony , and floyd , no one has really put a solid shot on any of these guys, except for Zab on spinks other then that who has really beat these guys D ?

I think Pavlic as well as his fan are really underestimating Taylor and Im not even a fan of Taylor's ..

They are so gleeful that JT is going to get beaten they do the fucking usual. Try to downplay his accomplishments. Pavlik will win but not from matching taylor shot for shot..hell no.....

[mustang sally]

are you and toougly lovers or something or the same person? THe stroking you're giving him is downright Oscar-ish

read it again and turn on your sarcasm detector

[mustang sally]

please winky took a great deal of shots upside the head , he defense is what kept him from getting KO, and then he prices himself out the rematch ..

you people seem to forget that spinks , Winky as well as hopkins have above average defense perhaps the best aside from Tony , and floyd , no one has really put a solid shot on any of these guys, except for Zab on spinks other then that who has really beat these guys D ?

I think Pavlic as well as his fan are really underestimating Taylor and Im not even a fan of Taylor's ..

Do you really believe that Pavlik wouldn't have KOed Spinks and Ouma?

[mustang sally]

Pavlik's straight right will win him the title, knock several people off cheekbone's nuts and cure his stutter all at the same time.

[Stickandmove]

The differences of opinion on this fight are staggering. Which is the official thread where we can all gloat/eat humble pie after the fight?

Taylor UD12 Pavlik

[mustang sally]

Pavlik KO 8 Taylor

[pit]

They are so gleeful that JT is going to get beaten they do the fucking usual. Try to downplay his accomplishments. Pavlik will win but not from matching taylor shot for shot..hell no.....

Im not so sure Pavlic will win anymore , looking at the pre recorded weigh-in ,Taylor is the bigger man, he's wider and thicker then pavlic and looks to be slightly taller.

Pavlick is so convince that Taylor is going to run from him, that I believe he's put all his egg in one basket namely his offense , sure he takes a great shot to the head but what about his body and those boney ribs of his , I don't care who you are body shots will make anyone a bitch.

[philip_jp]

taylor obviously has fast jab even the hbo team called it the laser jab in the first fight with hopkins

[pit]

Do you really believe that Pavlik wouldn't have KOed Spinks and Ouma?

surely not spinks , spink is not going to stand in front of pavlic , and Ouma has proven that he can take a great deal of punishment , and both have very good skill .. so no I don't think he can.

who has pavlic faced that is on Ouma and Spinks level ?

[mustang sally]

who has pavlic faced that is on Ouma and Spinks level ?

Nobody.

Pavlik's team are too scared and protective to put him in the ring with non punching welterweights. Pavlik lacks the punching power a Zab Judah so he wouldn't have a hope in hell against Corey Spinks.

Far too dangerous.

[DoumB]

Nobody.

Pavlik's team are too scared and protective to put him in the ring with non punching welterweights. Pavlik lacks the punching power a Zab Judah so he wouldn't have a hope in hell against Corey Spinks.

Far too dangerous.


:yep

[pipe wrenched]

Nobody.

Pavlik's team are too scared and protective to put him in the ring with non punching welterweights. Pavlik lacks the punching power a Zab Judah so he wouldn't have a hope in hell against Corey Spinks.

Far too dangerous.

:good

[Toopretty]

I can't wait 'til Pavlik blasts right through Taylor to see what you'll say. Now go make me some rice, beans and plantains.:hi:

Thats jamaican food you racist cunt..The fuck are you talking about. "Lord, please help Taylor to slay that man. For his fans are not rightous"

[pit]

Nobody.

Pavlik's team are too scared and protective to put him in the ring with non punching welterweights. Pavlik lacks the punching power a Zab Judah so he wouldn't have a hope in hell against Corey Spinks.

Far too dangerous.

:verysad sarcasm won't hide the truth.


Punching power is not the end all be all in boxing , I highly doubt pavlic can out box Spinks let alone catch him ..
and yes Corey can make pavlic look like a fool in the ring .

[Toopretty]

:verysad sarcasm won't hide the truth.


Punching power is not the end all be all in boxing , I highly doubt pavlic can out box Spinks let alone catch him ..
and yes Corey can make pavlic look like a fool in the ring .


He would have Pavlik dizzy. Pavlik has a hard time placing his shot on a tomato can. Spinks would be a needle in a Haystack. Boxings ignorant dont know shit but some flashy highlight knockouts.

[booradley]

:nono

[BENNY BLANCO]

:nono You are so fucking lame to bump a thread that's 2 and a half years old.

[CarlesX7]

:nono
Man how much time did you spend looking for this :rofl

My hat's off to Toopretty though, he called the fight. Spot-on.

[stiflers mum]

You are so fucking lame to bump a thread that's 2 and a half years old.
:lol::lol::lol: i wish i could say it doesnt get any worse but it does.

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he thinks Andre Dirrell and his fans give a fuck what he types on a forum.probably thinks he hired a psychologist to
deal with the fact Booradley didnt think much of him.:patsch

[booradley]

Funny shit really! Posters are already getting pissed off because I proved that people have been saying the same lame shit about Pavlik FOR YEARS. If one of you bag ladies could lay out a pro-martinez analysis, and say something besides "speed, angles, Benard Hopkins," we could debate. But since you can't, I'll drag up your past sins and throw them in your faces!

[Hermit]

Funny shit really! Posters are already getting pissed off because I proved that people have been saying the same lame shit about Pavlik FOR YEARS. If one of you bag ladies could lay out a pro-martinez analysis, and say something besides "speed, angles, Benard Hopkins," we could debate. But since you can't, I'll drag up your past sins and throw them in your faces!

Speed, ANGELS, Bernard Hopkins. :D

[zoomie]

what a pathetic pavlik fan...:bart it's no fair that all kelly has is his little taylor win...

maybe you should bump some of those pavlik vs hopkins threads....:D

[BENNY BLANCO]

what a pathetic pavlik fan...:bart it's no fair that all kelly has is his little taylor win...

maybe you should bump some of those pavlik vs hopkins threads....:D I was thinking the same exact thing but of course that would be wrong to do because Pavlik had "elbow injury", "brochitis" and even caught the HIV virus in the process.:|

[Auracle21]

who cares about the past all that matters at this point is his bout with martinez. if he wins then off to more greatness. its ognna be a great one

[stiflers mum]

Funny shit really! Posters are already getting pissed off because I proved that people have been saying the same lame shit about Pavlik FOR YEARS. If one of you bag ladies could lay out a pro-martinez analysis, and say something besides "speed, angles, Benard Hopkins," we could debate. But since you can't, I'll drag up your past sins and throw them in your faces!
you do that hillbilly boy.dig up old threads and bump them
to drag up past sins and bump them with this emoticon:nono
so that current threads get relgated off the 1st page.
i wont do that.but i will in this thread.

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[Stovepipe]

bumping this thread proves a point, why get mad? the point is Taylor was pretty fast too and bigger and stronger than Martinez. I give Martinez a lot of credit but I don't think he can deal with Pavlik....at all.

You will see.

I don't expect a close fight. Wide UD for Pavlik or late round KO.

Official prediction: Pavlik KO 9...that would be KO not TKO (unless its a KO so bad the ref doesn't bother to count making it a TKO possibly)

[booradley]

bumping this thread proves a point, why get mad? the point is Taylor was pretty fast too and bigger and stronger than Martinez. I give Martinez a lot of credit but I don't think he can deal with Pavlik....at all.

You will see.

I don't expect a close fight. Wide UD for Pavlik or late round KO.

Official prediction: Pavlik KO 9...that would be KO not TKO (unless its a KO so bad the ref doesn't bother to count making it a TKO possibly)

Exactly! I went back through a ton of old threads, and just happened to pick this one to bump. Nearlly all the ESB old timers who picked Taylor are picking Martinez for the exact same reasons they picked Taylor! And trust me, Sergio Martinez is no Jermain Taylor!

[conditioner101]

Vernon Forrest said it best when he beat Sugar Shane... "you beat speed with the jab!"
End of discussion.
Further proof... De La Hoya in the first half of his fight with Mayweather.