Why does Taylor get hated and others don't?

[achillesthegreat]

Let's put this into perspective. Taylor has dominated everyone except Hopkins, Wright and Spinks!

What is the problem with having a close 7-5 either way fight with two top3 P4P fighters? Isn't it worse for X and Wright to have been having the close fight giving their experience?

I see one really embarrassing fight - Cory Spinks! He should have put the pain on Spinks. Muscled him and blown him away. IF Spinks survived the punishment then he should have been punished for 12 rounds.

He fought X again and ultimately 5 out of 6 judges perfer him. There is nothing else he can do with X.

He offered Wright out but Wright is an awful businessman and it didn't want none - yet no one really talks about this.

I'm not a huge Taylor fan but I respect him alot.

Even against Ouma he was trying to bomb him out for YOUR pleasure. Its the fans and critics who slated him so he was trying to put on a show for his people. He still dominated him. Ouma was open for everything WE thought he would. He got caught with everything WE thought he would. Taylor was thinking just like us. SOMEHOW Oumas chin became awesome and took RIDICULOUS shots.

One bad fight doesn't end a man.

[brooklyn1550]

He gets too much shit...

Who has looked good against Hopkins and Wright? He held is own against both of them - no fight was a gift in my opinion.

[Illmatic]

yup....taylor has never gotten a gift decision

[Stezzie]

Let's put this into perspective. Taylor has dominated everyone except Hopkins, Wright and Spinks!

What is the problem with having a close 7-5 either way fight with two top3 P4P fighters? Isn't it worse for X and Wright to have been having the close fight giving their experience?

I see one really embarrassing fight - Cory Spinks! He should have put the pain on Spinks. Muscled him and blown him away. IF Spinks survived the punishment then he should have been punished for 12 rounds.

He fought X again and ultimately 5 out of 6 judges perfer him. There is nothing else he can do with X.

He offered Wright out but Wright is an awful businessman and it didn't want none - yet no one really talks about this.

I'm not a huge Taylor fan but I respect him alot.

Even against Ouma he was trying to bomb him out for YOUR pleasure. Its the fans and critics who slated him so he was trying to put on a show for his people. He still dominated him. Ouma was open for everything WE thought he would. He got caught with everything WE thought he would. Taylor was thinking just like us. SOMEHOW Oumas chin became awesome and took RIDICULOUS shots.

One bad fight doesn't end a man.

:good

[Amsterdam]

You definitley something spot on here Achilles and that is that the Taylor bouts for Hopkins and Wright do make them both look bad.;)

Pavlik, a very average fighter all in all, will put this into perspective tonight, at the expense of becoming a new overrated fighter himself, but an expense that is at this point well worth it.

[mustang sally]

Let's put this into perspective. Taylor has dominated everyone except Hopkins, Wright and Spinks!



Who happened to be the only actually good opponents he ever fought.

But prior to that he looked awesome against legends like Freddy Cuevas, William Joppy and Daniel Edouard. With wins like that we should cut him some slack. Its not his fault he looked horrible when he actually stepped up in competition.

CHEEKBONES FTW!

[bumdujour]

Let's put this into perspective. Taylor has dominated everyone except Hopkins, Wright and Spinks!

What is the problem with having a close 7-5 either way fight with two top3 P4P fighters? Isn't it worse for X and Wright to have been having the close fight giving their experience?

I see one really embarrassing fight - Cory Spinks! He should have put the pain on Spinks. Muscled him and blown him away. IF Spinks survived the punishment then he should have been punished for 12 rounds.

He fought X again and ultimately 5 out of 6 judges perfer him. There is nothing else he can do with X.

He offered Wright out but Wright is an awful businessman and it didn't want none - yet no one really talks about this.

I'm not a huge Taylor fan but I respect him alot.

Even against Ouma he was trying to bomb him out for YOUR pleasure. Its the fans and critics who slated him so he was trying to put on a show for his people. He still dominated him. Ouma was open for everything WE thought he would. He got caught with everything WE thought he would. Taylor was thinking just like us. SOMEHOW Oumas chin became awesome and took RIDICULOUS shots.

One bad fight doesn't end a man.

exactly what i´m thinking.

were taylor german, they would be praising his skills and naming schools and streets after him!!!

and had the fights vs hopkins and winky taken place in germany, taylor would have won wide UD´s in both cases!!

guys like felix sturm are still respected dispite getting ko´d by 40 year old jr. middleweights like javier castillejo.
all everyone remembers is sturms debatable loss to oscar, dispite the fact that oscar was out of shape and NO MIDDLEWEIGHT to start with!!!

i just cant understand guys hating on taylor. he is not a bad guy and even if you think he was lucky a bit vs hopkins, how many guys do you know can put in 24 rounds with hopkins and come out alive???

let alone, making it a close fight!!!

but the boxing community is a strange breed indeed.:-(

[Vantage_West]

he's got the hbo commentators and judges on his payroll. It's a disgrace to the sport.look i said it once and i will say it again get of the coke mate it does you no good.

remember just say no :good

[Ambition_Def]

I don't dislike Taylor at all. Infact I threw a little party down in Son Brul when I heard that Taylor decisioned Hopkins the first time.

But I'm not gonna make dumb comments like he's super fast or he has alot of power. I know how he beat Hopkins. He did so with heart. He's a good sized middleweight with good handspeed, poor footwork and average stamina. I think he can also be rocked but hasn't been in with a big puncher yet.

So that is my 2 cents on the subject. Either way if he does pull it off against Pavlik it won't be that he outboxed him or outsped him. It'll be that he won on heart.

[mustang sally]

how many guys do you know can put in 24 rounds with hopkins and come out alive???

I think Keith Allen and Antwhun Echols are still breathing after being in the ring several times with the snaggle toothed killing machine that is Hopkins.

[mustang sally]

were taylor german, they would be praising his skills and naming schools and streets after him!!!

and had the fights vs hopkins and winky taken place in germany, taylor would have won wide UD´s in both cases!!



And if he had wheels instead of arms and legs he could have won the formula 1 grand prix and the daytona 500!!!

[bumdujour]

And if he had wheels instead of arms and legs he could have won the formula 1 grand prix and the daytona 500!!!

a boxing expert and a comedian. im impressed:yep :good

[fightfanatic1]

good post achillesthegreat!!!

too many people are on JT's case with little to no amunition to fire any real shots at him. It's just blind hate they are working with.

[jopez707]

Taylor does not get enough credit in my opinion, I mean he could have took the easy way out and fought a patsy after fighting two hard fight with Hopkins. But no he takes on Winky Wright maybe the most avoided fighter (at the time) in boxng, then he take on two good boxers in Ouma and Spinks. I don't think he should have taken the SPinks fight, who is a stylistic nightmare for almost any fighter, also due to SPinks and Taylors friendships in the amatuers I knew Taylor would not go in for the kill if he did have SPinks hurt. And now he is fighting the most feared 160 lb fighter, he never takes easy fights.

[Asterion]

Let's put this into perspective. Taylor has dominated everyone except Hopkins, Wright and Spinks!

What is the problem with having a close 7-5 either way fight with two top3 P4P fighters? Isn't it worse for X and Wright to have been having the close fight giving their experience?

I see one really embarrassing fight - Cory Spinks! He should have put the pain on Spinks. Muscled him and blown him away. IF Spinks survived the punishment then he should have been punished for 12 rounds.

He fought X again and ultimately 5 out of 6 judges perfer him. There is nothing else he can do with X.

He offered Wright out but Wright is an awful businessman and it didn't want none - yet no one really talks about this.

I'm not a huge Taylor fan but I respect him alot.

Even against Ouma he was trying to bomb him out for YOUR pleasure. Its the fans and critics who slated him so he was trying to put on a show for his people. He still dominated him. Ouma was open for everything WE thought he would. He got caught with everything WE thought he would. Taylor was thinking just like us. SOMEHOW Oumas chin became awesome and took RIDICULOUS shots.

One bad fight doesn't end a man.



I agree completely. With that said, I think Pavlik is gonna win because he's better.

[red cobra]

Nobody gets dumped on more and is treated with more disrespect in this sport than Jermain Taylor. He's going to surprise everyone by not only winning against Pavlik, but by eventually "growing" into the role of champion. Be patient with him, he's a work in progress and is slowly developing into a great fighter. This is of course, just my opinion, but I truly believe that Taylor has his best days ahead of him.

[Dorfmeister]

Taylor's future was eclipsed by Hopkins past I believe... Even though both Taylor's wins over B-Hop were never questioned by the boxing activity itself ( and scoring system), hard would be his job to live up to the 10 year reign of a man with 20 successful title defences up until then ( unifying the IBF, WBC, WBA and WBO middleweight championships against men such as Tito and Oscar) but not only did he not knock out the 40 year older, he also got hurt from the ninth round on ( first fight) and was caught too many times in the rematch... Then, Winky Wright getting in from right-field with that right jab over his low left guard of his in his way to a draw, 5'9'' tall Kassim Ouma driving him to the corners and Cory Spinks selected to be the third consecutive lefty, former light middleweight titlist to face him and losing by a split decision didn't help him either... Lou DiBella/Bernard's sub-plot have a lot to do with it, you can call it the "curse" of the "Executioner" if you want, Taylor can redeem himself now though, beating a young gun, 25 year old Kelly Pavlik in a position he knew to be his three years ago or else in the end, he may feel the ghostly presence of Bernard for some time more to come...

[Asterion]

Jermain "Gift Decisions" Taylor




:rofl :rofl :rofl

[DamonD]

HBO hype gets right up some people's noses.

I don't mind Taylor.

[audio101]

You definitley something spot on here Achilles and that is that the Taylor bouts for Hopkins and Wright do make them both look bad.;)

Pavlik, a very average fighter all in all, will put this into perspective tonight, at the expense of becoming a new overrated fighter himself, but an expense that is at this point well worth it.

so pretty much everyone is a overrated boxer to you....:nut

[sues2nd]

he's got the hbo commentators and judges on his payroll. It's a disgrace to the sport.

Are you drunk?

Jermain Taylor has HBO judges on his payroll?

I hope your not driving home tonight.

[PH|LLA]

you're only as good as your last fight

[sues2nd]

I think Keith Allen and Antwhun Echols are still breathing after being in the ring several times with the snaggle toothed killing machine that is Hopkins.

Who the fuck is Keith Allen?

Is that Robert Allen's cousin?

:huh

[platnumpapi]

bhop beat taylor in the 1st fight or very worst a draw.
bhop vs taylor 2, i will say jt won that fight, but get the fight right the 1st time and there should not be a rematch.
winky beat jermain 7rds to 5rds, it was not a draw at all.all they talk about is that last round, winky did not do much that round but taylor did not either.

spinks out boxed taylor, who taylor should have koed in 4rds.spinks ran the whole fight but he let his hands go outlanding taylor every rd imo.thats why manny was so upset in that fight he knew taylor had blew it big time.theres no way cory would have went all 12 like he did if taylor was outlanding him.

ouma was koed by roman at 154 in the 2nd round, a guy that does not hit very hard at that weight.taylor hit him with everthing but the kitchen sink, fuck that i think he hit him with that as well.never once did he stun, hurt or let alone drop ouma in that fight.taylor already considered being a big middle weight and little ouma a jr middle weight.

so ever since he got that gift over bhop he has not represented mw championship like he should be.when bhop was on top he had all the belts and you had to see him if you wanted them.and if bhop could not ko his man he whooped that ass all night long.

taylor will fight anyone but i think he has been getting buy beating fighters alot smaller then him and over powering guys alot smaller then him.

gifts and lackluster performances is why people hate on jt.and its not just the people on esb but everywere, his own home town hates on him.you seen the build up the local radio station was even dissing him.so i know im not crazy for thinking the way i think cause im not the only one that thinks it.and he has alot of people in his own damn homwtown that feel the same freaking way.

now if taylor blows out kelly pavlik like he should then codos to him but at the sametime i will be thinking is about god damn time.it will take a few good fights from taylor for me to get on his bandwagon.caue all the shit he has done id rather bhop still be on top of the mw divison with 25 title defences but that was runied by punk ass judge ford.

its very very hard for me to like taylor very hard.and im a mayweather fan so thats fucked up aint it !?!