Robbery In Germany!!!!!

[unitas]

Valuev gets wide ud over bergeron after getting outboxed most of the fight.

even the german commentator had it "at best a draw" for valuev!!!!


well, what can is say: Thats fucking germany for ya:good

[MrMagic]

Valuev won, period.

[unitas]

Valuev won, period.


the best victory money can buy:lol:

[bumdujour]

germany and boxing......ugly!

Valuev seems done.

[Quik]

Fuck not again. I wonder why people still go fight in Germany knowing they will get robbed.


FUCK!

[The Whaler]

Bergeron KO1 Valuev in the rematch.

He'll do to Valuev what Roy Jones did to Montell Griffin.

[Astola]

Valuev won, period.


I agree. But not by 118-111 - it was closer than that.

[unitas]

even the germans are booing like hell. what a joke.

[Zhaakal]

Valuev gets wide ud over bergeron after getting outboxed most of the fight.

even the german commentator had it "at best a draw" for valuev!!!!


well, what can is say: Thats fucking germany for ya

Man Valuev won fair and square, did you see the fight??? Read the round by round thread. Bergeron got his ass handed to him.


I agree. But not by 118-111 - it was closer than that.

I agree on that.

[unitas]

henry maske (who is working for german tv) just said that bergeron should have won!!!!!!!!

[brooklyn1550]

He'll be back...don't worry

[bumdujour]

So you´re basing this comment on what? The shit "unitas" is talking? That guy is always hating on Germany when he gets the chance.

Yeah, the cards were too high, i had it 116-113, but Valuev won rightfully. The German crowd booed the decision because ot was too high not because it went to the wrong man.


i´d rather trust him than a german.:good

[Zhaakal]

henry maske (who is working for german tv) just said that bergeron should have won!!!!!!!!

Well Henry can go fuck himself

[PH|LLA]

you guys are morons

118-111 was the correct score

[Dorfmeister]

the best victory money can buy:lol:

The best victory money can buy? Great Line... Probably the cultural shock was too much, a giant bear huger from Russia and a flat faced Canadian in Germany... This seems more of a great Horror Classic to me. Valuev won? Good, as long as he only fights in Germany and in the same dates of other great showdowns please.

[Chief_Second]

henry maske had a similar gifted decision against hill!!!! lol

[unitas]

Well Henry can go fuck himself

im sure you like to do that for him, right homo:good

[unitas]

Wrong. He said, the cards are too high, it could also have been a draw and if you give Bergeron everything somehow justifyable he could have won.

no. not true, he said bergeron should have won.

stop spreading propaganda goebbles jr.:hi:

[bumdujour]

Yeah because i´m so biased when it´s coming to German or German-based fighters.

i have been reading your posts......and yes, that is EXACTLY the reason why:good

[Zhaakal]

im sure you like to do that for him, right homo

Hey did you even see the fight? If you didn't then don't go commenting that Bergeron got robbed. Valuev won fair and square. And why the hell are you calling me a fagget. Don't be so childish.

[unitas]

I reported that post.

and now you are just a plain liar!!

can you spell: P.R.O.P.A.G.A.N.D.A.M.I.N.I.S.T.E.R.!!!

[chliJs]

i didn't even watch the whole fight.

but one thing i know for sure: some people (unitas) are just too ignorant to realize the difference between a close fight which can go either way and a robbery. the ud may be too wide, but this doesn't matter at all.

[unitas]

Hey did you even see the fight? If you didn't then don't go commenting that Bergeron got robbed. Valuev won fair and square. And why the hell are you calling me a fagget. Don't be so childish.

I wachtched it and i taped it!!!

now go watch some more gay porn homo!:good

[ChrisPontius]

Well i scored this one for Bergeron. He kept landing that straight left hand hard over and over from the 2nd untill the 10th round when Valuev took over.

On a sidenote, i had the Valuev-Chagaev fight a very close one. I'm not biased against Valuev or anything, i just think he got outlanded in the majority of the rounds by Bergeron. He did make some changes, but i think he'd be murdered by Wlad.

[unitas]

i didn't even watch the whole fight.

but one thing i know for sure: some people (unitas) are just too ignorant to realize the difference between a close fight which can go either way and a robbery. the ud may be too wide, but this doesn't matter at all.


a german again saying a robbery in germany didnt happen.

whoa.....what a surprise!!!!

call the gestapo:good

[Quik]

you guys are morons

118-111 was the correct score

Your the moron if you think 118-111 was the correct score. Did you even see the fight.

[unitas]

My little friend, if you wanna troll look for another victim.

JAWOHL MEIN FUERER!!:good

[youthmann]

Valuev won the fight. But it should have been like 115-113 or somthing - maybe MD. But valuev won - fair should be fair. It wasn't pretty - dahm boring (like most valuev fights). Valuez took round 11 and 12 and that should do enough to win without SD.

[Zhaakal]

I wachtched it and i taped it!!!

now go watch some more gay porn homo!

Damn. You 8 years old or what?

The only one gay around here is you, judgeing by your info

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[sues2nd]

The general consensus in the RbR was that Valuev won quite handily?

[psychopath]

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[bumdujour]

if the german media thinks the result was iffy, then something obviously is seriously wrong.

[Maden]

Valuev won the fight. I had Valuev by 3 points!

No robbery i Germany this time around!

[pipe wrenched]

The general consensus in the RbR was that Valuev won quite handily?

Uhmmm.....I'd say it was split. a couple for Berg and a couple for Valuev.

[bumdujour]

Another one i reported. Keep on going.


what are you reporting???

is this a german board?? cause if it is, im leaving.

[Boro chris]

Damn. You 8 years old or what?

The only one gay around here is you, judgeing by your info

I think you hit the nail on the head, he dose sound like a kid.:patsch

[bumdujour]

Insulting posts.

Why would you leave if that´s a Gemran board?


well you called him a "german hater" and all he said sounds reasonable.

thats an insult too imo.

after all, if the german media thought it should at least have been a draw, then something was wrong, no doubt.

[chliJs]

a german again saying a robbery in germany didnt happen.

whoa.....what a surprise!!!!

call the gestapo:good

i said i didn't even really watch the fight. when will you deserting dickrider of the anti-germany bandwagon finally stop to spread propaganda yourself?
i only need to know one thing: a couple of different opinions on the outcome of the fight while most agree it wasn't that clear. on the other hand there's the unitas-opinion calling the fight a robbery.

[youthmann]

Bergeron did fine with his straight left - but not enough to win - he was to inactive to. Boring...

By the way - I'm scared that because of valuev' s height advantage to wlad, he will also somehow make the fight with wlad boring - but sure wlad will win. (TKO or KO I sure hope).

[ChrisPontius]

I don't blame Germany because there are bad decision anywhere (Lewis-Holyfield I anyone?) but the scores were horrible nonetheless.

Also note that when they did a brief summary of the fight, the did NOT show the only time when either fighter was stunned, which was when Valuev's knees buckled in the second round from a Bergeron left hand. Valuev wasn't hurt but it should've definitly made it to the highlight.

[NBT]

Valuev won the fight, no doubt about it. Some people on here seems to be robbed of their brains though.

[Rollo]

I just saw the fight. Valuev won, but it was closer than the actual verdict.

[bumdujour]

So, insulting others is reasonable to you?

And no the German media didn´t think it should have been at least a draw. They said it could have been also a draw, even Valuev himself admitted the cards were too high. And they definitly were. But calling it a robbery is just wrong.

look, germany has a very very bad reputation when coming to fairness!!

if the german tv thinks it could have been a draw and you consider that german tv have a working relationship with valuev...........then something looks fishy!!!!

is this unitis says he thinks it was a robbery (which this very well could be) and some others agree, then he is stating a valid opinion.

calling him a "german hater" is totally discredeting him..........and an isult.
so if he comes back with insults..........what are you crying about???

[Ethan Trims]

I don't blame Germany because there are bad decision anywhere (Lewis-Holyfield I anyone?) but the scores were horrible nonetheless.

Also note that when they did a brief summary of the fight, the did NOT show the only time when either fighter was stunned, which was when Valuev's knees buckled in the second round from a Bergeron left hand. Valuev wasn't hurt but it should've definitly made it to the highlight.

Yeah, but germany is the mecca of corrupt boxing and protected champions. See King arthur.



Good thing bergoron didnt knock him out, then the germans would of gassed him.

[Zhaakal]

Bergeron did fine with his straight left - but not enough to win - he was to inactive to. Boring...

By the way - I'm scared that because of valuev' s height advantage to wlad, he will also somehow make the fight with wlad boring - but sure wlad will win. (TKO or KO I sure hope).

Yes, Bergerons left hand would have done it for him but as you said he didn't box enough. He was flat footer and after takeing punches from Valuev, he tried to jump in with a straight left/right hopeing it would land on the chin. Bergeron won the first rounds becouse he wasn't so flat footed and was boxing, but he seemed to give it up.

[Irländsk]

Bergeron could have won the fight had he not been so passive, Valuev had absolutely no fucking drive in him at all, Bergeron lost by such a wide margin because he backed up the entire fucking fight and never threw a punch unless it was a counter left, I don't think the cunt fired off one jab. I wouldn't have given him a better result than the judges because he was not aggressive at all, even after he caught Valuev with a pretty good shot in RD: 2. I only watch Valuev again if it's against Wlad so I can see him get KO'd. I can't take another Chagaev/Bergeron borathon. Thank christ Pavlik-Taylor starts soon so I can erase that shite from my memory.

[cross_trainer]

Wlad would TKO him, Wlad´s even bigger than Bergeron and just better in everything, including more power and much faster hands and feet.

I think you have Wlad and Bergeron reversed.

That's OK. Sometimes I make that mistake too.

[unitas]

Another one i reported. Keep on going.

you really are acting like a little schoolgirl.

you also call for the teacher when the other kids took away your lunchmoney:lol: :lol:

[Max Molyneux]

Valuev won, period.

Did you think the same Vs Ruiz?

[unitas]

Don´t know, nobody even tried.

vielleicht haben sie sich einfach nur geekelt. or worse.

[chliJs]

Yeah, but germany is the mecca of corrupt boxing and protected champions. See King arthur.



Good thing bergoron didnt knock him out, then the germans would of gassed him.

yea, for knocking out a russian, right?

do you really think this kind of argumentation is either entertaining or in any way smart?

as a german i have suffered my whole life from absurd decisions in german boxing and i would be the last person to justify anything, especially when it comes to sauerland. so please, name a couple of other examples (except for abraham, who should have been taken out the fight but who still managed to win a fair decision in the end) of the RECENT past.

[Carlos Primera]

look, germany has a very very bad reputation when coming to fairness!!

if the german tv thinks it could have been a draw and you consider that german tv have a working relationship with valuev...........then something looks fishy!!!!

is this unitis says he thinks it was a robbery (which this very well could be) and some others agree, then he is stating a valid opinion.

calling him a "german hater" is totally discredeting him..........and an isult.
so if he comes back with insults..........what are you crying about???
i agree. he's not talking bad about germany, but from the stuff we read it sounds like this kind of thing goes down there a lot. just looking at sven ottke's dubious record tells you a lot about bad decisions there. i'm sure it does'nt take place regularly, as there is boxing corruption all over the world (notably japan), but there have been some pretty bad ones.

[unitas]

yea, for knocking out a russian, right?

do you really think this kind of argumentation is either entertaining or in any way smart?

as a german i have suffered my whole life from absurd decisions in german boxing and i would be the last person to justify anything, especially when it comes to sauerland. so please, name a couple of other examples (except for abraham, who should have been taken out the fight but who still managed to win a fair decision in the end) of the RECENT past.

well maybe you should tell them that VALUEV was boxing FOR A GERMAN BOXING COMPANY and FOR GERMAN TV!!!

thats germans making lots of money of him. is that good enough reason for ya??

but you wont mention that right??

guess in propaganda, the trust often is left out:verysad

[chliJs]

well maybe you should tell them that VALUEV was boxing FOR A GERMAN BOXING COMPANY and FOR GERMAN TV!!!

thats germans making lots of money of him. is that good enough reason for ya??

but you wont mention that right??

guess in propaganda, the trust often is left out:verysad

are you really that stupid or are you trying to willingly ignore that i was just taking damian's ww2 rhetoric to mock around a bit?

[chliJs]

i agree. he's not talking bad about germany, but from the stuff we read it sounds like this kind of thing goes down there a lot. just looking at sven ottke's dubious record tells you a lot about bad decisions there. i'm sure it does'nt take place regularly, as there is boxing corruption all over the world (notably japan), but there have been some pretty bad ones.

now this is a starting point. some ottke decisions were a shame, same with maske, michalczewski, beyer and other fighters of the past.
also, valuev got at least one gift decision. plus he's a bum.

just to show i'm not biased in any way but also seeing this whole thing very critically.
a decision, though, which is accepted by most and slightly doubted by others, can just not be a robbery.

[unitas]

are you really that stupid or are you trying to willingly ignore that i was just taking damian's ww2 rhetoric to mock around a bit?


lets just put it this way: germany has shown that if they can make money of a human being ( like some of my jewish ancestors), they will do anything to ensure their investment pays off.

they have done far worse than just making sure their "crowdpuller" gets the nod.:good

enough ww2 for ya.

[chliJs]

lets just put it this way: germany has shown that if they can make money of a human being ( like some of my jewish ancestors), they will do anything to ensure their investment pays off.

you've got to be crazy to talking to me like this. do you think this kind of behaviour is a german monopoly or accepted in germany more than in *insert western country you're just thinking of*?
you're just comparing boxers of today to JEWS?

you're spitting on your own jewish history by making crazy statements like that. if you want to play this joker of being a jew when argumenting against germany, you better use it right.

[bumdujour]

are you really that stupid or are you trying to willingly ignore that i was just taking damian's ww2 rhetoric to mock around a bit?

yeah, germans "mocking around" with WW2 is just what we needed.

:patsch

[chliJs]

yeah, germans "mocking around" with WW2 is just what we needed.

:patsch

point 1: it was you who started with that.
point 2: answer my questions.

[rendog67]

i think we should all stop this is turning into world war III

valuev is a big fat slow hairy loser i dont give a fuck if he won or lost or if he just got his back shaved!


lets get back to boxing

[unitas]

So, you´re hating on Germany today because some idiots were responsible for crimes on some your ancestors. That gives you much credibillity.

im not hating on anything. just pointing out boxing in germany is rigged.

proof speaks for itself.

[unitas]

you've got to be crazy to talking to me like this. do you think this kind of behaviour is a german monopoly or accepted in germany more than in *insert western country you're just thinking of*?
you're just comparing boxers of today to JEWS?

you're spitting on your own jewish history by making crazy statements like that. if you want to play this joker of being a jew when argumenting against germany, you better use it right.


I just said that german boxing will protect any fighter they can make money of.

history speaks for itself.

[bumdujour]

point 1: it was you who started with that.
point 2: answer my questions.

last time i looked, that was a guy called damian.

get your facts straight.

and that still dont excuse you from mocking WW2:

[unitas]

Pointing it out with a lie doesn´t help your credibility.

coming from a propagandaminister like you, that means a lot:lol:

[kirk]

how in the HELL.... is a fight so damn hard to score that some have it 118-111, and agree with the judges, and others have it for the other guy?

judging boxing just isnt that hard....

[kirk]

the news sites i go to says valuev won EASY... but chris pontius here says he didnt think valuev won, and i usually respect his opinion.

[chliJs]

last time i looked, that was a guy called damian.
get your facts straight.
and that still dont excuse you from mocking WW2:

yea, sorry, you're right.

you know we germans got problems with fighting on several frontiers at the same time (so no, i won't stop mocking about it - neither in germany where they want to gas you for doing this kind of jokes, nor in this board where -luckily- offensive stuff can be found on a daily basis).

the thing is, except for the nonsense i also deliver stuff that's on point to the topic. so you better not concentrate on the entertainment part; when you want to really discuss the bad situation in german boxing, bring it on with facts instead of just bashing blindly.

[Boinko]

Yes, this is weird. I didn't see the fight, but judging from the different reactions I have no idea what to think.
Fightnews describes it as an easy victory for Valuev, yet some guy started a thread about the fight being a robbery.
What the?

[Ethan Trims]

yea, for knocking out a russian, right?

do you really think this kind of argumentation is either entertaining or in any way smart?

as a german i have suffered my whole life from absurd decisions in german boxing and i would be the last person to justify anything, especially when it comes to sauerland. so please, name a couple of other examples (except for abraham, who should have been taken out the fight but who still managed to win a fair decision in the end) of the RECENT past.

Do you deny that germany is one of the most corrupt places in boxing?

Arthur abraham has padded his record with fighters who werent ready for the big time and questionable decisions, Eastman. The sven otke thing was a little before my time, so I am not able to get into that.

Sure many places have bad decisions, but in germany it seems these shitty decisions grow on trees.

[Boinko]

1. The guy who started the thread is known for making posts like that about Germany. Read some of his posts and it will be quite clear for you.
2. That guy is from Canada, Bergeron is a Canadian fighter.
3. The score cards where far too figh.

Well, whatever the reason I'll just wait and check it out myself eventually. Well, maybe. It didn't sound all that exciting.

[unitas]

yea, sorry, you're right.

you know we germans got problems with fighting on several frontiers at the same time (so no, i won't stop mocking about it - neither in germany where they want to gas you for doing this kind of jokes, nor in this board where -luckily- offensive stuff can be found on a daily basis).

the thing is, except for the nonsense i also deliver stuff that's on point to the topic. so you better not concentrate on the entertainment part; when you want to really discuss the bad situation in german boxing, bring it on with facts instead of just bashing blindly.

okay, let me try:

here is what i say: unlike other countries, in germany, all media regarding boxing is connected!!!
that every boxingstable is linked to a certain tv channel (sauerland to ARD and Universum to ZDF).

naturally the tv commentators are biased (and i dont even blame them).

germany, a boxing crazy country by the tv numbers, only has one boxing mag ...."boxsport".

and that mag is also being totally controlled by the big boxing companies.

just look at the ratings in that mag at jr. welter:

superchamp: hatton

1. witter
2.rees
3.mbaye
4. kotelnik
5.marcos rene maidana (unranked before signing with spotlight/universum......suddenly in the ratings)
6. sergej sorokin ( unranked until signing with german based arena boxing)
7. ricardo torres
8. paul malignaggi
9. willy blain ( fighting for spotlight)
10. vivian harris

now boxing in the states is anything but clean, but this type of corruption and boxing news that border on propaganda is totally out of this world!!!

so this is both tv and the press working together giving most people a totally deluded image of the true boxing world.

such a thing i have so far only seen in germany.

[chliJs]

Do you deny that germany is one of the most corrupt places in boxing?

Arthur abraham has padded his record with fighters who werent ready for the big time and questionable decisions, Eastman. The sven otke thing was a little before my time, so I am not able to get into that.

Sure many places have bad decisions, but in germany it seems these shitty decisions grow on trees.

so sven ottke was before your time? if this is the truth, you don't even know why germany has that kind of reputation. not necessarily because of ottke, but because of stuff before ottke.

a padded record has nothing to do with robbery / i don't remember the abraham - eastman fight as i was no big fan of abraham until he showed heart against miranda, so i don't want to tell anything wrong about it.

this makes exactly one questionable decision and it's from years ago. it's from around the time sturm got robbed against de la hoya, not to mention a lot of robberies without german fighters in them since then.

i'm not interested in comparing countries in terms of corruptedness in boxing, so i won't answer this question.

[Ethan Trims]

Most fighters "pad" their records like Abraham, that´s the way fighters are brought up. And abraham himself is in his third year as a pro himself so he is hardly a veteran. The fight against Eastman was hardly questionable.

The times where robberies in Germany were quite common was at the time you called "a little before my time". It has been gotten much better over the last few years.

4 years by my count but close. You might of thought abraham won the eastman fight but most people I heard who spoke of it didnt. I guess I will have to see the fight myself so I can be sure.

Germany has gotten better? Damn I would of hated to see you guys before. Abraham had his jaw hanging off of his face and almost died in the ring.

We both know that it is slim to none that abraham will ever give miranda a second shot at him. Hence the protects champion moniker.

[unitas]

4 years by my count but close. You might of thought abraham won the eastman fight but most people I heard who spoke of it didnt. I guess I will have to see the fight myself so I can be sure.

Germany has gotten better? Damn I would of hated to see you guys before. Abraham had his jaw hanging off of his face and almost died in the ring.

We both know that it is slim to none that abraham will ever give miranda a second shot at him. Hence the protects champion moniker.

another interesting point about the miranda fight: the german ring doctor in attendance said he wanted to stop the fight if the fight had been stopped because of the headbutt.
abraham would have retained the belt.

but since the doc said it was due to a punch, abraham would have lost.

thats why he let the fight go on. that is what he said himself!!!!

usually, the ringdoctor is paid to ensure the safety of the fighter........not to make sure the local fighter wins.

so much for boxing getting better in germany.:-(

[chliJs]

okay, let me try:

here is what i say: unlike other countries, in germany, all media regarding boxing is connected!!!
that every boxingstable is linked to a certain tv channel (sauerland to ARD and Universum to ZDF).

naturally the tv commentators are biased (and i dont even blame them).

and like you experienced today, they don't seem to be too biased, right? not to spread sympathy, because i can't stand a lot of them and i just don't like the concept of broadcasting boxing here, but even i've got to admit they're mostly telling the truth in terms of who's the better fighter... they never tell the truth when it's about whether a fight at all is good, interesting or whatever - because according to them, like 95% of all fights are the bomb.

germany, a boxing crazy country by the tv numbers, only has one boxing mag ...."boxsport".

i don't know the mag particularly, but i know there are a lot more mags, including the ring.

and that mag is also being totally controlled by the big boxing companies.

making this point irrelevant

.. and the others also.

now boxing in the states is anything but clean, but this type of corruption and boxing news that border on propaganda is totally out of this world!!!

so.. the german public gets robbed. because they're fed with fights of low quality too often. not even i care about that, even though i'm german myself. i pissed my pants laughing when i heard people booing axel schulz for delivering a totally expected performance. the media may exploit them, but there are bigger problems in the world so why should i worry about stuff like that? not even the fighters are harmed, like someone said before, they're even padded.

so this is both tv and the press working together giving most people a totally deluded image of the true boxing world.

i don't know. as i'm a poor fucker i don't exactly know, but i think with german pay per view you get all the big us fights, also. so what's the problem in getting a couple of b-class (and even some really good ones) for free. i don't get my expectations too high, and i'm getting entertained well.

[bumdujour]

another interesting point about the miranda fight: the german ring doctor in attendance said he wanted to stop the fight if the fight had been stopped because of the headbutt.
abraham would have retained the belt.

but since the doc said it was due to a punch, abraham would have lost.

thats why he let the fight go on. that is what he said himself!!!!

usually, the ringdoctor is paid to ensure the safety of the fighter........not to make sure the local fighter wins.

so much for boxing getting better in germany.:-(

the worst thing in recent memory was when krasniqui got knocked by brewster in round eight.

the ref counted ten...........then then told krasniqui to get up!!!

krasniqui lost the fight to a round later anyways, but that just wasnt right.

had that been in the states, there would have been hell to pay!!!

so if that is boxing in germany getting better in the last 4 years, i dont wanna know what was going on beforehand:lol:

[chliJs]

4 years by my count but close. You might of thought abraham won the eastman fight but most people I heard who spoke of it didnt. I guess I will have to see the fight myself so I can be sure.

Germany has gotten better? Damn I would of hated to see you guys before. Abraham had his jaw hanging off of his face and almost died in the ring.

We both know that it is slim to none that abraham will ever give miranda a second shot at him. Hence the protects champion moniker.

there is one problem: you haven't seen the fight yourself. like i said, i don't remember having seen it, either. so i just won't judge.

it's the same with the miranda fight. the pictures of a totally destroyed abraham don't show the 5 points miranda got deducted rightfully. also didn't they show that abraham turned defensive, but that miranda just was not able to take over the fight. his aggressiveness was blind and considering the points he got deducted, it's impossible to give the decision to him.

like i said before, if everything went right abraham should have been taken out the fight - so you may argue about that. but what's also important is abraham gave evidence he's a worthy champ. he's not to blame for the corruption, and he did what was necessary. so there's no need to disrespect him in any way.

other than his 'neighbour' taylor, who's not only boring stylistically (to most, i still like him) but who gets questionable decisions on a regular basis. this is not germany's fault.

[unitas]

and like you experienced today, they don't seem to be too biased, right? not to spread sympathy, because i can't stand a lot of them and i just don't like the concept of broadcasting boxing here, but even i've got to admit they're mostly telling the truth in terms of who's the better fighter... they never tell the truth when it's about whether a fight at all is good, interesting or whatever - because according to them, like 95% of all fights are the bomb.



i don't know the mag particularly, but i know there are a lot more mags, including the ring.



making this point irrelevant

.. and the others also.



so.. the german public gets robbed. because they're fed with fights of low quality too often. not even i care about that, even though i'm german myself. i pissed my pants laughing when i heard people booing axel schulz for delivering a totally expected performance. the media may exploit them, but there are bigger problems in the world so why should i worry about stuff like that? not even the fighters are harmed, like someone said before, they're even padded.



i don't know. as i'm a poor fucker i don't exactly know, but i think with german pay per view you get all the big us fights, also. so what's the problem in getting a couple of b-class (and even some really good ones) for free. i don't get my expectations too high, and i'm getting entertained well.

well, there is only one GERMAN BOXING MAG!!!

"boxsport" is the only boxingmag in german.

ring magazine you can only buy in very few places as i have experienced.
and it cost 15 euros these days!!!! i bought one this summer at frankfurt airport when i was visiting relatives.

and if you consider how poor the general german public is at speaking english (just horrible, plain horrible:verysad ), you can bet the only ones buying international boxing mags are foreigners!!

the bottom line remains however is the fact that the way german boxing is run is akin to a totalitarian regime runnings its papers!!

and that just plain freaks me out.

[chliJs]

the worst thing in recent memory was when krasniqui got knocked by brewster in round eight.

the ref counted ten...........then then told krasniqui to get up!!!

krasniqui lost the fight to a round later anyways, but that just wasnt right.

had that been in the states, there would have been hell to pay!!!

so if that is boxing in germany getting better in the last 4 years, i dont wanna know what was going on beforehand:lol:

you're right. not only was it wrong (fighters are getting too much time kinda often) but it was too obviously and way too much time.

[unitas]

That was very worse, i couldn´t belive my eyes when i saw that. Sad day for boxing. What i meant with it´s getting better is that things like that don´t happen more over here than anywhere else right now.

last time i looked, that kind of shit aint happening anywhere!!!

name one recent heavyweight title fight in which the local fighter gets counted out and is then told to get up!!

that shit happens in germany only.

[bumdujour]

That was very worse, i couldn´t belive my eyes when i saw that. Sad day for boxing. What i meant with it´s getting better is that things like that don´t happen more over here than anywhere else right now.

i never heard about something like that happening in britain for example.

nor in france.

that really doesnt shine positive light on german boxing.

[chliJs]

well, there is only one GERMAN BOXING MAG!!!

"boxsport" is the only boxingmag in german.

this is not true as i've once checked for boxing mags out of boredom and there were quite a few german ones. we got free market here, don't you know?

ring magazine you can only buy in very few places as i have experienced.
and it cost 15 euros these days!!!! i bought one this summer at frankfurt airport when i was visiting relatives.

that's true. it's a shame. but at least there even is ring magazine and other imported magazines here.

and if you consider how poor the general german public is at speaking english (just horrible, plain horrible:verysad ), you can bet the only ones buying international boxing mags are foreigners!!

when you're from canada - and i know you speak german - i guess you're maybe even trilingual, so especially you know for example how well americans and french people are in speaking languages except for their mother's tongue... this is nothing to blame germans for.

the bottom line remains however is the fact that the way german boxing is run is akin to a totalitarian regime runnings its papers!!

and that just plain freaks me out.

stuff like this freaks you out? you must be living a great life to feel like this. not to insult you, but i'm getting reminded of a very snobby bitch i once got to know too well...

[Danny Ocean]

dont be silly

[chliJs]

we don't even need to go far from tonight's big fight/abraham discussion etc..

just ask larry merchant about what he thinks smoger did wrong in pavlik/miranda. also, watch who's the ref in the next pavlik fight.

this wasn't near krasniqi's level, but to a certain degree this stuff happens everywhere.

except from that.. it didn't evn change the outcome of the fight, so who gives a shit.

[unitas]

this is not true as i've once checked for boxing mags out of boredom and there were quite a few german ones. we got free market here, don't you know?



that's true. it's a shame. but at least there even is ring magazine and other imported magazines here.



when you're from canada - and i know you speak german - i guess you're maybe even trilingual, so especially you know for example how well americans and french people are in speaking languages except for their mother's tongue... this is nothing to blame germans for.



stuff like this freaks you out? you must be living a great life to feel like this. not to insult you, but i'm getting reminded of a very snobby bitch i once got to know too well...


not true:nono . name just one other german one outside of "boxsport".

outside of ringmagazine, there is only boxing monthly.......and thats almost impossable to find.

as for germans not speaking english: i have been to many european countries and in most places, the english is much better. i think it has to do with the fact that all the big hollywood movies get translated very well into german.:lol:
thats not the case in other countries. they have to watch them in english with subtitles.
but i do not "blame" the germans for this.

when i say freaked out, i meant it in the sense that germany has great and very unbiased media coverage when it comes to news and so on !!!germans probably are top of the line in that, no question.

but when it comes to boxing, its like a totalitarian regime.

and that kinda rubs me the wrong way.

[bumdujour]

we don't even need to go far from tonight's big fight/abraham discussion etc..

just ask larry merchant about what he thinks smoger did wrong in pavlik/miranda. also, watch who's the ref in the next pavlik fight.

this wasn't near krasniqi's level, but to a certain degree this stuff happens everywhere.

except from that.. it didn't evn change the outcome of the fight, so who gives a shit.

what are you talking about?? you dont give a shit if the rules are like totally tossed out the window.......just cause it didnt change the outcome???

if that is your way of going about boxing, then i cant take you seriously.

[chliJs]

this is strange, i think even french people on this board will agree that they're even 'unabler' of talking english than we are.
you shouldn't make the mistake and compare us to countries that are just ahead of us on a social level, like scandinavians and all the small parsite countries around germany like austria, belgium, switzerland and so on.

i can't name any aside from boxsport, like i said, i didn't even know boxsport. but i know that a couple of months ago, when waiting for a train, i entered a store and found tons of boxing magazines, and they all sucked and were not able to catch my interest as there was massive nudity right next to them. overall, this topic may be one aspect of why boxing sucks here and there may be some odd imaginations about what's good boxing - but this doesn't make every single fight corrupted.
maybe if you're so biased to even call this valuev fight a robbery it does, but from a neutral point of view everything looks fine overall.

[chliJs]

what are you talking about?? you dont give a shit if the rules are like totally tossed out the window.......just cause it didnt change the outcome???

if that is your way of going about boxing, then i cant take you seriously.

i even called it wrong. what else do you want, to cry about it? i'm too pragmatic to get sucked into this kind of noble conversation.. also, i don't care whether you take me seriously or not, but since you're always ignoring and not commenting on the relevant points i made (like that this stuff does not only happen here), i wonder whether you're taking me seriously anyway.

to me it looks more like you're just headed for conflict, not to find some sort of agreement by doing that.

whatever.. i'm going to bed now. the longer i'm up the longer it'll take until i can see pavlik/taylor, this is something i just realized and it shows me how i wasted a lot of time in this thread by taking part in a circling discussion. damn. :?

[unitas]

this is strange, i think even french people on this board will agree that they're even 'unabler' of talking english than we are.
you shouldn't make the mistake and compare us to countries that are just ahead of us on a social level, like scandinavians and all the small parsite countries around germany like austria, belgium, switzerland and so on.

i can't name any aside from boxsport, like i said, i didn't even know boxsport. but i know that a couple of months ago, when waiting for a train, i entered a store and found tons of boxing magazines, and they all sucked and were not able to catch my interest as there was massive nudity right next to them. overall, this topic may be one aspect of why boxing sucks here and there may be some odd imaginations about what's good boxing - but this doesn't make every single fight corrupted.
maybe if you're so biased to even call this valuev fight a robbery it does, but from a neutral point of view everything looks fine overall.


now you must have been on some weird trip entering that store, cause there is only one german speaking boxing mag!!!
and you cant even name one other one.....while claiming to have seen tons.

and if you dont even know the german boxing print media, you obviously cant comment on wether boxing in germany is as corrupt and manipulated as i have pointed out.

but still you say it all looks fine overall.

maybe to you.......if you lack knowlege of the facts.

[bumdujour]

i even called it wrong. what else do you want, to cry about it? i'm too pragmatic to get sucked into this kind of noble conversation.. also, i don't care whether you take me seriously or not, but since you're always ignoring and not commenting on the relevant points i made (like that this stuff does not only happen here), i wonder whether you're taking me seriously anyway.

to me it looks more like you're just headed for conflict, not to find some sort of agreement by doing that.

whatever.. i'm going to bed now. the longer i'm up the longer it'll take until i can see pavlik/taylor, this is something i just realized and it shows me how i wasted a lot of time in this thread by taking part in a circling discussion. damn. :?

well the only thing i can read out of your posts is that you dont care much for the rules as long as the endresult is "pragmatic".

we are talking about germany breaking the rules, thats basically all we have been talking about.

and now you say you dont care about the rules.......cause we dont wanna "cry" about them, do we.

how can you expect me to take someone who openly says stuff like that seriously??