Jermain Taylor's Moment of Truth is tonight!!!

[compukiller]

OK, JT. Now the it's time to walk the walk against a live body tonight. All this shit about you being the Middleweight champ either gets solidified or totally eradicated.

HBO will not be able to help you, no matter how many phantom punches they call, and the judges can't help you if you are KTFO.

Pavlik is bigger than you are, something you are not used to. But you say you are the best. If you are you will win. If not, you will surely lose.

The hype all ends here tonight. You have a chance in front of everyone to show your true colors. I hope you do not take it lightly.

Have a good fight, and even though I hope you get KTFO, may you get through tonight safe and healthy from any permanant damage.


Pavlik TKO10 Taylor

[Stezzie]

OK, JT. Now the it's time to walk the walk against a live body tonight. All this shit about you being the Middleweight champ either gets solidified or totally eradicated.

HBO will not be able to help you, no matter how many phantom punches they call, and the judges can't help you if you are KTFO.

Pavlik is bigger than you are, something you are not used to. But you say you are the best. If you are you will win. If not, you will surely lose.

The hype all ends here tonight. You have a chance in front of everyone to show your true colors. I hope you do not take it lightly.

Have a good fight, and even though I hope you get KTFO, may you get through tonight safe and healthy from any permanant damage.


Pavlik TKO10 Taylor

But if Taylor knocks out Pavlik which is not unlikely people like you and most of ESB need to bow down...because you guys have made Pavlik a monster based on a fight with Miranda... A weight drained Miranda at that...

[ironchamp]

I'm guessing people will call Pavlik a fraud before they give Taylor his due.

Taylor KO8

[pipe wrenched]

I'm guessing people will call Pavlik a fraud before they give Taylor his due.

Taylor KO8

Yep. And that works both ways around here. If Pav wins everybody will be like "see, I told ALL Ya'll he was never any good". Pavlik KO 7.
Good guy vs. Good guy. Champ vs #1. No body's gettin exposed, only the best man will win.

[Brooklyn Boxer]

The winner of this fight should be in the top 10 pound 4 pound in the world and I can't wait for this fight and if I had to bet I'll pick Palvik by KO in the 11th round.

[Alo2006]

But if Taylor knocks out Pavlik which is not unlikely people like you and most of ESB need to bow down...because you guys have made Pavlik a monster based on a fight with Miranda... A weight drained Miranda at that...


Totally agree :good

[Sai]

How long til the main event kicks off?

[luckiestman]

im looking forward to this fight


no matter what happens, i expect pavlik to make this an exciting/entertaining fight (something winky and hopkins refused to do, and ouma/spinks didnt have the talent to do)

[compukiller]

Hopkins was too scared to fight "mano a mano"

You are truly a fucking idiot.:good

[compukiller]

I'm not saying Pavlik is that great of a fighter, but he has earned his shot. If JT somehow beats him (CONVINCINGLY), he will get props for beating his #1 challenger.

[boxing_report]

and even though I hope you get KTFO, may you get through tonight safe and healthy from any permanant damage.

LMA0:yep

[luckiestman]

Hopkins was too scared to fight "mano a mano"


i disagree, hopkins is not a bitch, just will only fight his fight

[Liquid_cool]

Well I just hope for a good fight with a KO. The thing is Kelly Might be tall be he likes to fight on the inside, meanwhile Jermain likes to stay at a distance and use his jab. I see it going the distance with JT winning on points.....But if KP runs him down and lets his hands go maybe JT gets frustrated with it and trys to exchange shots and walk into a bomb. I gotto tell ya KP hits like a truck and i haven't seen anyone for a long time that has that kinda power in that divsion...I don't care who he's fought, if you just watch and listen you find yourself scooting up in your seat a little bit!

[boxing_report]

Let's remember, Pavlik is a CLOSER.
The first sign of Jermain in trouble he will shut him down, take him out.

Taylor has no hope unless he tries to impersonate John Ruiz.

The judges will not like that one bit though.

Pavlik is the NEW middleweight champion of the world!

[klion22]

Taylor can still win this fight and still not get respect from his haters. And that's if he wins a close decision. And that's sad.

[pipe wrenched]

Taylor can still win this fight and still not get respect from his haters. And that's if he wins a close decision. And that's sad.

Same for Pavlik. some these dudes just hate Taylor so bad no credit will be given for anything.

[boxing_report]

Little Kassim Ouma was "scared to fight"??
He was backing up "Bad First Impressions" for most of the fight!

The "elusive southpaw" BS is just an excuse to explain away Jermain's curious regression to the public.

You will see Jermain exposed tonight.

He's got a straight-ahead, forward-marching, orthodox banger in front of him...and JT will lose.

The new excuse will be, "damn, it's so hard to make weight at 160. I should've moved up years ago."

Just watch.

[Boinko]

Same for Pavlik. some these dudes just hate Taylor so bad no credit will be given for anything.

Heh, the Taylor haters are already preparing in another thread where they're saying it's not that Pavlik is so great, it's just that Taylor is so bad.
Thus, should Taylor win, expect to here plenty of cries that Pavlik was an overrated hype job and Jermain still sucks.

[boxing_report]

Kelly Pavlik is going to have to admit that he was out of his league tonight. Taylor went 24 fucking rounds with Old Man River, and tonite will be a cakewalk compared to that.

A "cakewalk"?
I'm just going to assume that statement is your idea of a bad joke.:lol:

[rekcutnevets]

Look for Taylor's edge in hand speed to be a big factor in this fight.

If Taylor keeps this fight in the center of the ring, and uses his jab, Pavlik shouldn't be that much trouble for him. That being said...
How long has it been since Jermain followed a solid game plan from start to finish?

He will not be able to survive on the ropes, or in the corner, like he did against Wright in tonight's match. Even if he does have what it takes to stand up to Pavlik's punishing shots, he won't be able to win a decision in this fashion. He has had a distinct power advantage in his last few outings. He didn't have to land as often, nor be as active as his opponent, in order to be perceived as winning. Pavlik is different. He will have to land the cleaner punches in order to win rounds in this fight.

I'm picking Taylor. Pavlik seems to be made to order for him if Taylor stays focused on fighting a smart fight. Think Corales vs. Mayweather type of getting beat to the punch.

[boxing_report]

I'm just curious, why would you want to see a champion who holds excessively...fights with no heart...no passion...admits he's only in it for the paycheck...and is boring as $hit?

Don't you want to see exciting fights that you're paying for??

Ah, man - let this video speak for itself...

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[brooklyn1550]

Good way of putting it

"Moment of truth!"

[Lance_Uppercut]

But if Taylor knocks out Pavlik which is not unlikely people like you and most of ESB need to bow down...because you guys have made Pavlik a monster based on a fight with Miranda... A weight drained Miranda at that...

Exactly. His moment of truth WASN'T beating the top P4P fighter twice, it comes beating a guy who's biggest win is Miranda. Go figure.:roll:

[Ring Master]

I'm so F'in excited for this fight, It's been a while. To all of my other boxing enthusiast... ENJOY!

[luckiestman]

Exactly. His moment of truth WASN'T beating the top P4P fighter twice, it comes beating a guy who's biggest win is Miranda. Go figure.:roll:

i have to say, i dont get the JT hate, he seems like a good kid who beats the guy in front of him.

maybe it is just the nature of internet message boards. i respect anyone who gets in the ring until they give me a reason not to. JT never has given me such a reason



hope it is a good fight

[boxing_report]

Exactly. His moment of truth WASN'T beating the top P4P fighter twice, it comes beating a guy who's biggest win is Miranda. Go figure.:roll:

You still gonna be nitpicking Pavlik after he KTFO Taylor?

[rekcutnevets]

I'm not into dissing any fighter in particular. I don't think Pavlik is a joke.

I just don't see him defeating Taylor if Taylor fights the right fight. Taylor should make this look rather easy if he keeps the fight in the center of the ring.

[brooklyn1550]

Exactly. His moment of truth WASN'T beating the top P4P fighter twice, it comes beating a guy who's biggest win is Miranda. Go figure.:roll:

This is the fight where he can silence the critics or he has a tough road back to respect. He is facing the most dangerous fighter in his career. To win this fight, he must show greatness.

Yeah, I'd say this is his moment of truth.

[compukiller]

Exactly. His moment of truth WASN'T beating the top P4P fighter twice, it comes beating a guy who's biggest win is Miranda. Go figure.:roll:


Well, obviously it was his moment of truth, as he was slumped by the guy who "only" beat Miranda.

[Lance_Uppercut]

You still gonna be nitpicking Pavlik after he KTFO Taylor?

When the fuck was I nitpicking Taylor? :patsch

Idiots...

[Lance_Uppercut]

Well, obviously it was his moment of truth, as he was slumped by the guy who "only" beat Miranda.

Nope, it was just a loss. The 'moment of truth', whatever the fuck that is, isn't defined by a loss when you've already beaten one of the top MW's ever. And twice. You're just acting incredibly childish compukiller.

[compukiller]

Nope, it was just a loss. The 'moment of truth', whatever the fuck that is, isn't defined by a loss when you've already beaten one of the top MW's ever. And twice. You're just acting incredibly childish compukiller.

He never "BEAT" one of the top MW's ever, he got 2 gift decisions, and don't act like I'm the only person who believes that. :deal

The boy was pushed along by the establishment, as it is clear to anyone not blinded by HBO, Lou Dibella, a bunch of bought off judges and Jim Lampley's great hair.

He should not have been fighting at this level this soon, as he was sorely lacking in some key areas, and needed more time to develop. If he had that time, without the pressure of a bullshit championship and all the hype that comes with it, who knows how good he could have become.

But instead, because the establishment wanted BHOP out, and HBO wanted a new star, and they push Taylor too soon, too hard. It is a recipe for getting KTFO, and you see what happened.

He never beat BHOP or WINKY or even Spinks. He was pushed along by a dark agenda in the hellish business that is boxing.

I only hope this doesn't turn him into another prematurely shot fighter. No one deserves that.

[Lance_Uppercut]

He never "BEAT" one of the top MW's ever, he got 2 gift decisions, and don't act like I'm the only person who believes that. :deal

The boy was pushed along by the establishment, as it is clear to anyone not blinded by HBO, Lou Dibella, a bunch of bought off judges and Jim Lampley's great hair.

He should not have been fighting at this level this soon, as he was sorely lacking in some key areas, and needed more time to develop. If he had that time, without the pressure of a bullshit championship and all the hype that comes with it, who knows how good he could have become.

But instead, because the establishment wanted BHOP out, and HBO wanted a new star, and they push Taylor too soon, too hard. It is a recipe for getting KTFO, and you see what happened.

He never beat BHOP or WINKY or even Spinks. He was pushed along by a dark agenda in the hellish business that is boxing.

I only hope this doesn't turn him into another prematurely shot fighter. No one deserves that.

You really think Spinks beat him? That says it all about you.:patsch


blah blah blah... who cares what you believe, because ther are probably just as many who think the opposite. You'll never know anything until you realize you don't know everything.

[compukiller]

You really think Spinks beat him? That says it all about you.:patsch


blah blah blah... who cares what you believe, because ther are probably just as many who think the opposite. You'll never know anything until you realize you don't know everything.

I don't know everything. I just know JT got knocked the fuck out.:good

And even one judge had Spinks winning 117-111. And I HATE SPINKS. :patsch

[Lance_Uppercut]

I don't know everything. I just know JT got knocked the fuck out.:good

And even one judge had Spinks winning 117-111. And I HATE SPINKS. :patsch

And two other apparently had Taylor winning. I'm a little rusty with my math, but that's twice as many as had Spinks up by that RIDICULOUS margin.

[compukiller]

And two other apparently had Taylor winning. I'm a little rusty with my math, but that's twice as many as had Spinks up by that RIDICULOUS margin.

Many on here gave the fight to Spinks. Spinks did little, but JT did almost nothing. He looked like Cory's sparring partner.:patsch

[Lance_Uppercut]

Many on here gave the fight to Spinks. Spinks did little, but JT did almost nothing. He looked like Cory's sparring partner.:patsch

:lol:

Many on ESB?!?! Dude...this board jumped the shark years ago. There aren't the quality of posters who actually KNEW what they were posting anymore. Talking shit or trying to be funny has replaced talking about actual boxing. I used to come and at least read some good shit. Now it's just painful for what passes as a fan of boxing.:-(

[compukiller]

:lol:

Many on ESB?!?! Dude...this board jumped the shark years ago. There aren't the quality of posters who actually KNEW what they were posting anymore. Talking shit or trying to be funny has replaced talking about actual boxing. I used to come and at least read some good shit. Now it's just painful for what passes as a fan of boxing.:-(

That may be true, but it does reflect the feelings of many boxing fans.

Look, I am raising alot of shit about this because some people on here were SUPER CONFIDENT about this fight, and said some pretty stupid shit in the process. But I attribute that more to being blinded by what I (and many others) saw from day one : A relentless Hype Campaign.

When I make a bad pick, I take my lumps like a man (EM-PAC 3, a very painful example). :D

I expect the JT huggers to do the same. :thumbsup

[Zakman]

He never "BEAT" one of the top MW's ever, he got 2 gift decisions, and don't act like I'm the only person who believes that. :deal

The boy was pushed along by the establishment, as it is clear to anyone not blinded by HBO, Lou Dibella, a bunch of bought off judges and Jim Lampley's great hair.

He should not have been fighting at this level this soon, as he was sorely lacking in some key areas, and needed more time to develop. If he had that time, without the pressure of a bullshit championship and all the hype that comes with it, who knows how good he could have become.

But instead, because the establishment wanted BHOP out, and HBO wanted a new star, and they push Taylor too soon, too hard. It is a recipe for getting KTFO, and you see what happened.

Exactly. Right on all counts. It is continually amazing to me that there are any serious boxing fans who would suggest that he "beat" Hopkins. At best, he squeaked out two HIGHLY DISPUTED decisions, and then topped that off by getting a very questionable draw against Wright.

How any of this qualifies as "beating ATGs" is beyond me. Those decisions were ridiculous, and most boxing fans know it - which is why they are so glad Pavlik disposed of this fraud.:happy

[cuchulain]

Exactly. Right on all counts. It is continually amazing to me that there are any serious boxing fans who would suggest that he "beat" Hopkins. At best, he squeaked out two HIGHLY DISPUTED decisions, and then topped that off by getting a very questionable draw against Wright.

How any of this qualifies as "beating ATGs" is beyond me. Those decisions were ridiculous, and most boxing fans know it - which is why they are so glad Pavlik disposed of this fraud.:happy

On the one hand you say:

At best, he squeaked out two HIGHLY DISPUTED decisions,

and then you say:

Those decisions were ridiculous,

You have called them gift decisions in other posts.

One part of your post is contradicting another part of the same post.

If you concede that he squeaked out a HIGHLY disputed decision, then the decisions can be neither 'gifts' or ridiculous.

The fact is, both Taylor - Hopkins fights were very close (Five of the six possible cards read 115-113 for Taylor. You could argue that he won either or both fights 115-113 (as I do). You could argue that both were 114-114 (and I wouldn't have a problem with that) or you could argue that Bernard won ONE or BOTH fights by 115-113 (Not how I saw it, but I could live with that result too). None of these results would constitute a 'gift' decision or a ridiculous outcome.

At worst, you would have to concede that Jermain fought two vey close fights with an ATG and future HOFer.

And at best, you could claim he beat an ATG and a HOFer, twice.

Both fights were close and bound to be controversial, but neither result was a gift.


You laud Pavlik's efforts (and rightly so, he showed excellent spirit in getting up and winning by stoppage), but remember he was almost KO'd.

You questioned Jermain's jaw during the BHop fights (when he was never in any where near as much trouble, but have NO question about Pavlik's chin, even though he was in FAR MORE trouble against Jermain than Jermain ever was against BHop.

A double standard is at work here.

Neither Kelly nor Jermain have poor chins. Pavlik demonstrated the better chin, but neither one is weak.

You questioned Jermain's power against tricky, slick fighters but no credit once again for his demonstrated power against a strong-chinned Pavlik. (He could have been KO'd in two. The ref was not particularly quick to begin the count that almost produced a different result.)

Had Jermain been a little less tense and excited, and a little more experienced in finishing, he would have stopped Kelly in the second.

All credit to Pavlik for the recovery, and the stoppage was unquestionably good, but you're being more than a little unfair to Taylor here.

[hitman_hatton1]

I'm picking Taylor. Pavlik seems to be made to order for him if Taylor stays focused on fighting a smart fight. Think Corales vs. Mayweather type of getting beat to the punch.

tilt. :yep