Who In Your Opinion Was The Greatest LHW Of All Time?

[Frazier Hook]

Poll To Come.......

[MRBILL]

Poll To Come.......

Fuck it......... Michael Spinks....... Spinks was champ at 175 and at 200+ pounds........ He barely tallied up 30 pro fights, but he has an amateur background too.......... Spinks is # 1 for me..... Plus, I favor him cuz he was champ in my golden yrs in high school........

# 2 is Bob Foster....... Foster was a murderer for anyone who fought between 160 to 175 pounds...... Foster really was only beatable when he fought above 179 pounds against bigger dudes who were able to handle his power....... Also, Foster was a serious bad-ass well into his later 30s....

# 3 is Archie Moore........ Moore was great, but tall boxers with speed, guile and power were normally able to out-finess him in a match...... But Moore sometimes got home with a punch of his own to end matters... Moore was great........

MR.BILL:bbb:rasta

[doug.ie]

should have added billy conn to the list

[Seamus]

Henry Maske

[Frazier Hook]

should have added billy conn to the list

Only allowed 10 on the poll. Who do you take off for Conn?

[doug.ie]

Only allowed 10 on the poll. Who do you take off for Conn?

I'd have to think about that... but it don't seem right having a list of ten top light heavys and not list conn...he's arguably top three

[Frazier Hook]

I'd have to think about that... but it don't seem right having a list of ten top light heavys and not list conn...he's arguably top three

Really? I'd say Moore, Charles, Spinks, Foster and even Jones Jr were more accomplished fighters at the weight.

[MRBILL]

Virgil Hill always gets shitted on at 175, but he made 20+ defenses over TWO reigns...... YES! His comp was merely good to average but, he deserves credit..... He also won a belt at 190 as well......

I'd vote Virgil Hill into the IBHOF...... He also has a silver medal from '84........ For fuck sakes.......

That '91 loss to Hearns by decision still haunts Hill's legacy to this day....... Hill's 2007 decision loss to Henry Maske was horrid.... The fight stunk, but I thought Hill out-pointed Maske on the punch-stat...... Maske threw 10 punchers a round and was slow as shit......... Maske got some home cooking there........

MR.BILL

[Sweet Pea]

Really? I'd say Moore, Charles, Spinks, Foster and even Jones Jr were more accomplished fighters at the weight.I'd love to hear the argument for that one.

Jones Jr. is borderline top 15 for me at the weight, despite him being one of my favorite fighters. I don't understand why people often refer to him as anything close to a top 10 Lt. Heavyweight or a surefire inclusion.

[OBCboxer]

Charles. He never won a title at this weight but his resume outshines the others in my opinion.

[Frazier Hook]

I'd love to hear the argument for that one.

Jones Jr. is borderline top 15 for me at the weight, despite him being one of my favorite fighters. I don't understand why people often refer to him as anything close to a top 10 Lt. Heavyweight or a surefire inclusion.

Dominated the weight class for seven years and defeated McCallum, Hill, Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Tarver, Trinidad and Lacy at the weight. Aswell as unifing the division.

I would like to hear your reasons on you rating Conn higher than him at 175lb.

[MRBILL]

Royal "With Cheese" Jones fought a stream of bums and stiffs at 175... If people are gonna knock my "K" bros. at heavyweight, than I am gonna ride Jones' ass at 175.... R.J. was clearly the best there at 175 from 1997 to 2003, but that's where the buck stops shittin'.... R.J.'s best opponents at 175 or close to that weight range was "Toney, Lou Del-Valle, Hill and Tarver." The rest of Jones' opponents / victims in that area were forgettable mothers...... BUT!!!! I'd be ballsy enough to rate Royal Jones in at # 10.....

MR.BILL

[Sweet Pea]

Dominated the weight class for seven years and defeated McCallum, Hill, Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Tarver, Trinidad and Lacy at the weight. Aswell as unifing the division.

I would like to hear your reasons on you rating Conn higher than him at 175lb.Do you honestly believe naming a 40 year old, shot Mike McCallum, completely shot/blown-up Trinidad, the never-was Jeff Lacy and Julio Cesar Gonzalez helps your case in regards to Jones's resume at the weight? That's a sorry ass list outside of Hill, Griffin, and Tarver. Harding was a decent fighter, not much more.

Conn beat Fred Apostoli twice, Teddy Yarosz twice, Gus Lesnevitch twice, Solly Krieger, Al McCoy, Young Corbett III, Melio Bettina twice, Lee Savold, Henry Cooper, Bob Pastor, and was outboxing arguably the greatest HW of all time through 13 rounds before finally getting pasted. All of these fights occured while each fighter was either over the MW limit or Conn was under the LHW limit.

[MRBILL]

I'll give Jones some credit for beating McCallum by decision in 1996 on HBO....... Yeah, Ol' McCallum was age 39 and slipping, but he was still savy and a solid contender between 168 to 175 pounds.......

Let's not forget Royal Jones did foul out against Monty Griffin only to return and KO Griffin's ass in ONE round...... I never cared for Monty Griffin, and his wins over James Toney are suspect....... Both fights were dull, too......

As for Reggie Johnson in in 1999 / 2000, I'm not so impressed...... Reggie Johnson was a decent 175 pounder, but never a true or solid "A" player....... He was good enough to lose to greats like "Toney and Jones."

The worst guy Royal Jones beat was the cop---Richard Frazier........ Christ, HBO should be ashamed for airing that horseshit......

And Jones' PPV against Eric Harding took a shit at the box-office.........

MR.BILL

[Bioyhh]

Fuck it......... Michael Spinks....... Spinks was champ at 175 and at 200+ pounds........ He barely tallied up 30 pro fights, but he has an amateur background too.......... Spinks is # 1 for me..... Plus, I favor him cuz he was champ in my golden yrs in high school........

# 2 is Bob Foster....... Foster was a murderer for anyone who fought between 160 to 175 pounds...... Foster really was only beatable when he fought above 179 pounds against bigger dudes who were able to handle his power....... Also, Foster was a serious bad-ass well into his later 30s....

# 3 is Archie Moore........ Moore was great, but tall boxers with speed, guile and power were normally able to out-finess him in a match...... But Moore sometimes got home with a punch of his own to end matters... Moore was great........

MR.BILL:bbb:rasta

I'll second that. Foster was just a stone-cold monster as a LHW. I'd loved watching his fights back in the day. I'll never forget when he flattened Mike Quarry. I thought Bob killed him.

1. Foster

2. Spinks

3. Charles

4. Moore

[essexboy]

Ezzard Charles for me.

[ThinBlack]

Archie Moore, even though he did lose to Charles three times.

[Bill Butcher]

You may as well drop Moore right now because we know for sure he finishes behind Charles.

My guess is that it would maybe come down to Tunney & Charles (tho decent footage would help)

[mcvey]

Poll To Come.......

Tunney/Charles ,but Sam Langford should get a shout here too.

[johnmaff36]

Fuck it......... Michael Spinks....... Spinks was champ at 175 and at 200+ pounds........ He barely tallied up 30 pro fights, but he has an amateur background too.......... Spinks is # 1 for me..... Plus, I favor him cuz he was champ in my golden yrs in high school........

# 2 is Bob Foster....... Foster was a murderer for anyone who fought between 160 to 175 pounds...... Foster really was only beatable when he fought above 179 pounds against bigger dudes who were able to handle his power....... Also, Foster was a serious bad-ass well into his later 30s....

# 3 is Archie Moore........ Moore was great, but tall boxers with speed, guile and power were normally able to out-finess him in a match...... But Moore sometimes got home with a punch of his own to end matters... Moore was great........

MR.BILL:bbb:rasta
i voted 'other' only because i couldnt seperate you top 3 plus conn and foster. The l/heavys to me is probabley the hardest to pick as i think they are too hard to pick one supreme fighter

[Flea Man]

Ezzard Charles.

[bodhi]

Only allowed 10 on the poll. Who do you take off for Conn?

Jones Jr. shouldn't be on that list.

Virgil Hill always gets shitted on at 175, but he made 20+ defenses over TWO reigns...... YES! His comp was merely good to average but, he deserves credit..... He also won a belt at 190 as well......

I'd vote Virgil Hill into the IBHOF...... He also has a silver medal from '84........ For fuck sakes.......

That '91 loss to Hearns by decision still haunts Hill's legacy to this day....... Hill's 2007 decision loss to Henry Maske was horrid.... The fight stunk, but I thought Hill out-pointed Maske on the punch-stat...... Maske threw 10 punchers a round and was slow as shit......... Maske got some home cooking there........

MR.BILL

Yea, Hill often get's overlooked and I like him very much. A very nice and humble human beeing :good Also he is the third best lhw of the 90s I'd say just short of Michalchewski and Jones but not by that much. He deserves to be included into the HoF.

But:
Amateur achievements should not count when judging the pro career of a fighter.
Maske won in 2007 and clearly. The fight was a stinker but Maske made Hill fight his fight, controlled the pace and flow of the fight, landed the cleaner and harder punches and showed the better defence. Hill threw more but landed less. How anybody could have this fight for Hill really amazes me.

Dominated the weight class for seven years and defeated McCallum, Hill, Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Harding, Gonzalez, Tarver, Trinidad and Lacy at the weight. Aswell as unifing the division.

I would like to hear your reasons on you rating Conn higher than him at 175lb.

Sorry but Jones did not dominate the weightclass. He was the number one contender of the linear champ who was DM but never made that fight happen - and if he wanted the fight would have happened. The only fighters of note at the time he beat them are Hill, who just came of a loss to DM and Tarver, who's only claim to fame is basically beating Jones. All the other guys were either far past their prime and/or far removed from their best weight, never has beens or just average.
Jones at lhw get's very overated. He should be top15 but nothing more.


To the topic:
I rank Charles, Moore and Foster alongside each other in my tier one. If I would have to decide I'd pick Charles as numero uno.

[asero]

charles

[red cobra]

Though I can think of others that would have concievably beat him in a matchup, I choose Ezzard Charles as the best overall.

[Doppleganger]

Ezzard Charles.

[natonic]

I voted for Charles. I almost voted for Spinks but I have to admit to being biased towards fighters who fought 100 to 200 + fights versus guys who fought 30 odd fights (despite that being my era). I think H2H Spinks would be a very tough out for any of these guys.

[wellsini]

I'll second that. Foster was just a stone-cold monster as a LHW. I'd loved watching his fights back in the day. I'll never forget when he flattened Mike Quarry. I thought Bob killed him.

1. Foster

2. Spinks

3. Charles

4. Moore



He fucking took Dick Tigers face off him as well:bbb

[junior-soprano]

archie moore. but i can live with the fact if someone says charles. all the rest is bullsh..
BTW merry christmas evrryone