Scorecards

[Sai]

Did you hear that? Taylor was up 3-3-4 on the scorecards. What the fuck!

[paulfv]

BULLLSH*TTTTTTTTTTTT!!!

Not stealing it this time, MO FO'S!!! YESSSSSSSS!!!!

[Quik]

Dibella....HBO.......................no questions

[Kamil]

HBO judges love Taylors ass its bullshit, Great fight, Props for Pavlik

[nervousxtian]

The scores were fine, if you actually watched the fight, Taylor was winning at the time of the stoppage.

[Asterion]

It was competitive and close, no doubt.

[Boinko]

The scores were fine, if you actually watched the fight, Taylor was winning at the time of the stoppage.

I have a problem with the idea that he was 4 points ahead, but I agree he might have been winning.
He was landed the cleaner shots. When Pavlik had him on the ropes, most of Kelly's shots were missing.

[Kamil]

The scores were fine, if you actually watched the fight, Taylor was winning at the time of the stoppage.

pavlik had more control the fight, but taylor was throwing sllicker punchers, but 3-4 rounds for taylor is bullshit

[Danny Ocean]

it was a close competitive fight

[swedeone]

The scores were fine, if you actually watched the fight, Taylor was winning at the time of the stoppage.



It was a 1 point fight one way or another. There is NO WAY IN HELL it was anything close to the ridiculous scores those judges had. What a fuccing joke. I am so glad we didn't go down that road where another bullshit decision gave boxing a black eye.

[bigtime9]

jermain was winning comfortably pavlik was slow and lumbering. all jermain had to do was box and win the decision, but that mother fucker steward wanted him to keep trading with pavlik. how the fuck come steward didn't know jermain was gassed after the 2nd round. what type of conditioning was he in that he couldn't even finish pavlik:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
manny steward is the most overhyped trainer in history. the fuck never won a big fight in his life.

[nervousxtian]

It was not bullshit, Taylor was landing the more telling shots, and had the KD. Pavlik was bleeding from the nose.

All those things Judges like, and Taylors jab, when he landed was knocking Kellys head way back.

I think I gave two rounds to Pavlik before the KO. That's not to say it wasn't close, but to bitch about the scorecards is to call yourself a Pavlik nuthugger, because you'd be ignoring the fact your boy got knocked down and was in a tough close fight.

[digiram]

I had Taylor winning as well. Gave Taylor rounds 2-4-5. So, he was up a point in my book.

[swedeone]

What the fucc fight were some of you watching? After 7 rounds, anyone having either guy ahead by more than 2 points should NEVER, I mean NEVER be able to view another fight again. :-(

That was a 1 point fight going into the last one. I mean c'mon folks, pa-leeeeze.

[lobk]

Close fight usualy has one guy winning comfortably on the judges' card. I had rnd 1, 3, and 6 very close and could have gone to either guy. So if all three judges gave those rnd to Taylor I had no problem with it. It wasn't like Pavlik was dominating in those rnd. Neither guys were. Thse rnds were very close and Taylor had the better cleaner shots.

[nervousxtian]

Hey, dipshit, you score fights by rounds, if you gave 4 rounds to Taylor and 2 rounds to Pavlik, with the point for the KD you get those scores.

Don't fucking forget the KD, you stupid ignorant douchebag. You don't watch a fight, then score the fight, you do it by each round. You dipshits claiming one point should probably score the fucking fight by rounds first, then you wouldn't be saying stupid ass ignorant shit like swedeone just posted.

[swedeone]

Hey, dipshit, you score fights by rounds, if you gave 4 rounds to Taylor and 2 rounds to Pavlik, with the point for the KD you get those scores.

Don't fucking forget the KD, you stupid ignorant douchebag. You don't watch a fight, then score the fight, you do it by each round. You dipshits claiming one point should probably score the fucking fight by rounds first, then you wouldn't be saying stupid ass ignorant shit like swedeone just posted.



Go to sleep. You are really embarrasing yourself now. Anyone that had Taylor ahead by 3 or 4 points going into the last one should never be allowed to watch another boxing event again. Period end of story. :hi:

[birddog]

What the fucc fight were some of you watching? After 7 rounds, anyone having either guy ahead by more than 2 points should NEVER, I mean NEVER be able to view another fight again. :-(

That was a 1 point fight going into the last one. I mean c'mon folks, pa-leeeeze.

very big font but I agree, after 6 maybe 2 pts lead for Taylor (with 2 being a 10-8)
but WTF

[itliangladiator]

Go to sleep. You are really embarrasing yourself now. Anyone that had Taylor ahead by 3 or 4 points going into the last one should never be allowed to watch another boxing event again. Period end of story. :hi:

Amen.

[Fallow]

I had Taylor up by 3 at the time of the stoppage. He was landing more punches, Pavlik wasn't doing a whole lot other than coming forward.

Pointless debate anyway, Pavlik rendered the scorecards useless when he savaged Taylor to the canvas.

Pavlik > Taylor - Period

[swedeone]

I had Taylor up by 3 at the time of the stoppage. He was landing more punches, Pavlik wasn't doing a whole lot other than coming forward.

Pointless debate anyway, Pavlik rendered the scorecards useless when he savaged Taylor to the canvas.

Pavlik > Taylor - Period



Wow. You were watching a different fight than I was. Look at the punch stats. I don't think they were even really close. Kelly was out-jabbing Taylor and was the aggressor. He also landed more power shots. How does anyone have him LOSING by 3 or 4 points? The KD is only worth a 10-8 round... not 10-6.

[nervousxtian]

No swedeone, you're just an ignorant bitch who has no clue how to score a fight.

[swedeone]

No swedeone, you're just an ignorant bitch who has no clue how to score a fight.



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


Night night little fella. It's time to cuddle with your teddy bear... you are officially LOST. That wa a 1 point fight TOPS and everyone that has half of an unbiased brain in their heads knows it. Period.

[MrStayman]

Taylor up by 1? Fine. Taylor up by 2? I guess.

Taylor up by FOUR FUCKING POINTS?
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch

[Fallow]

KD rounds are not 10-6? Damn, that must be where I'm going wrong.


I was watching the same fight you were mate, I just saw it differently. And the punchstats that HBO put up favoured Taylor as it happens. He landed 2 more jabs than Pavil and about 20 more power punches. Those are, of course, overall stats.

Pavlik just wasn't going much of anything really other than coming forward.

[BewareofDawg]

Did you hear that? Taylor was up 3-3-4 on the scorecards. What the fuck!
:rofl :rofl :rofl Such BULLSHIT!!!!!!

[swedeone]

Taylor up by 1? Fine. Taylor up by 2? I guess.

Taylor up by FOUR FUCKING POINTS?
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch



It's called F-I-X-E-D

There isn't a good boxing fan on the planet that honestly had Taylor up by 3 or 4 points. NOT ONE.

[diamondDave]

58-55, 59-54, 58-55 for any judge to have either man up by those margins at the time of the stoppage is criminal. And it is further evidence that Jermain has had the benefit of some home cooking on the scorecards the last few years!

[AlbertaFightFan]

Didn't Taylor say in the post-fight interview that he though he was losing?

I could see judges having Taylor ahead by 1 or 2 because it was a pretty close fight, 4 is almost unbelievable. I'm glad it ended with a stoppage.

[Ambition_Def]

I agree those judges were trying to fuck Pavlik.

When both the trainer and the fighter in the opposing corner feel they are losing, you know damn well something fishy is going on in Dibellaland.

[SweetScience]

what cleaner shots. pavlik was blocking most of them.

Pavlik wasnt blocking most of em. In round 5 or 6 Taylor unleashed on him and you can hear really hear the impact of the shots. And I think in Round 6 when Pavlik backed Taylor to the ropes, JT countered with a 1-2 that landed flush on Pavlik.

[boxbox]

Taylor up by 2 before stoppage... pretty much close...

[Zankou]

Shit, I'm watching it again and Stewart starts out telling Taylor he lost the first round.

10-8 Taylor second.

Pavlik 10-9 third.

Don't see how it can go any other way.

[Boom_Boom]

taylor was clearly winning

[swedeone]

taylor was clearly winning



No, he wasn't. Neither man was "clearly" winning. It was a 1 point fight either way and any good boxing fan knows that. :yep

[swedeone]

1. Pavlik
2. Taylor +1 due to kd
3. Pavlik
4. Taylor
5. Taylor
6. Taylor

That were my card before the 7th. Taylor showed the better defence, landed the cleaner shots and was much more effective than Pavlik in the rounds he won. Round 4 could also be even or for Pavlik, it was close but i thought Taylor edged it.

Wow. How anyone had Taylor winning the 4th, 5th and 6th rounds is beyond me. Completely beyond me. Pavlik out jabbed him, landed more power shots and was clearly the aggressor in all of those rounds.

[Mendoza]

I had Taylor winning as well. Gave Taylor rounds 2-4-5. So, he was up a point in my book.

This is possible. Round 4 was close. I gave it to Pavlik. It was a good battle. Larry Merchant said it best. One guy got up, the other did not.

[lockdon9w]

I thought it was a 1pt fight to and the 4th round was close and I gave it to Pavlik. So I could see the 3 pt advantage if you gave the 4th round to Taylor.

1. Pavlik
2. Taylor - KD
3. Pavlik
4. Pavlik
5. Taylor
6. Taylor

[journeyman]

What the fucc fight were some of you watching? After 7 rounds, anyone having either guy ahead by more than 2 points should NEVER, I mean NEVER be able to view another fight again. :-(

That was a 1 point fight going into the last one. I mean c'mon folks, pa-leeeeze.

:huh before you start criticising, you should really learn how to score a round in boxing. i've had years of experience judging fights and have no favourite between either fighter. i had it:

rd 1 pavlik 10-9
rd 2 taylor 10-8
rd 3 pavlik 10-9
rd 4 taylor 10-9
rd 5 taylor 10-9
rd 6 taylor 10-9

that's taylor 58-55, a three point spread for taylor. rounds 4 to 6 were all close, but taylor's work was clearly the more effective: as evidenced by the official scorecards. you should stop letting your personal bias cloud your judgement and learn how to score a fight before deciding who is allowed to be a boxing fan.

[Mrvooh]

This is possible. Round 4 was close. I gave it to Pavlik. It was a good battle. Larry Merchant said it best. One guy got up, the other did not. I had it 3 rounds each, with Taylor up due to the 2nd rd knockdown,....then BOOM

[DoumB]

on top of that did u guys see the compubox PURE PLAIN BULLSHIT AGAIN, just like in the DLH-Mayweeather fight where they gave ridicusly more shots to mayweather then their actualy were.

[Toopretty]

Bullshit.

Taylor won the second round by virtue of the KD, and another round with good counter-punching, while Pavlik won the other 4 rounds likely, so he was up by a point, or if you had it even in terms of rounds, Pavlik was down by 1 by virtue of the KD. Close fight, I had Pavlik winning the fight, with the scores being closer due to the KD.

WTF fight were you watching. Every round was close but that 2nd round. I gave 1, 2 for damned sure, and 6 to taylor 3 and 4 was Pavliks 5 was even. Taylor up....period.

[Toopretty]

I normally respect your oppinion but you should re-read how a round is scored than watch the fight again and score it after the proper rules. You will be surprised by the result.

:good

[Toopretty]

Sounds like folk go by the bullshit lederman card around here Going by his card Pavlik was up. But he gave no even rounds. And if any fight had some debatable even rounds this fucking fight did. Pavlik did not connect that much early at all his jab didnt get going until around the 3rd round. 1st round went to JT easy.

[El Bombasto]

a lot of reporters scored it the same

[skier47]

:huh before you start criticising, you should really learn how to score a round in boxing. i've had years of experience judging fights and have no favourite between either fighter. i had it:

rd 1 pavlik 10-9
rd 2 taylor 10-8
rd 3 pavlik 10-9
rd 4 taylor 10-9
rd 5 taylor 10-9
rd 6 taylor 10-9

that's taylor 58-55, a three point spread for taylor. rounds 4 to 6 were all close, but taylor's work was clearly the more effective: as evidenced by the official scorecards. you should stop letting your personal bias cloud your judgement and learn how to score a fight before deciding who is allowed to be a boxing fan.

Well I'm sure Harold Letterman has forgotten more about boxing than
you'll ever learn. He's a terrific boxing judge and analyst and he saw
Pavlik winning most of the rounds on effective aggressiveness, a
terrific, accurate jab followed by many powerful straight righthands.
Merchant pretty much concurred with Harold's assessment. Both
Manny and Taylor felt they were behind in the fight and Kelly himself
thought the fight was much closer than the ringside judges had it.
I bring this up because Kelly is a real humble guy but he knew he
put a huge beating on Taylor throughout that action packed fight.
In fact he stated that he didn't think it was his huge powerpunches
late in the 7th round that caused the K.O. but rather the accumulation
of punches throughout the fight that broke Taylor down. If the
fight was as one-sided in Taylor's direction as you seem to feel
then you must assume Taylor has a china chin. I mean he's laying
a one-sided beating on the hapless Pavlik and suddenly boom,
Kelly lands one flush right and it's lights out for Germaine? Get real
and learn to judge a fight. Swedone is right. Noone was clearly
winning that fight. It was a back and forth battle between two
superior athletes who hurt each other at different times. The
judges scores should have more accurately reflected that reality.
Sorry, long post but I'm sick of incompetent boxing judges.

[nervousxtian]

Scorecards were fine, your guy won, give it up.

Taylor had 4rds on my card, Pavlik 2. With the point for the KD. Thats 58 - 55.

If you gave Pavlik one more round it was 57 - 56. Either one is fine, but don't pretend that Kelly was winning the fight at the time of the stoppage, he wasn't.. but he was coming on, and probably would of won the fight on the cards at the end if the fight continued on the way it was going.

I thought Jermaine got stupid, but he looked gassed (as usual) and didn't stick to his gameplan, he had that right hand over the top all night if he wanted to use it, but his defense has too many holes with holding that left hand so low, and as the fight wore on his reflexes weren't there to roll with those punches, thus the KO.

I give all the credit to Pavlik, he got up of the floor and won the fight. I do gotta say I'm disappointed in Taylor for letting Pavlik off the hook and running out of gas, because I think he proved for a good portion of the fight he was the quicker and stronger man, but his stamina issues and defense will always be his downfall with a guy who is uptempo and can punch.