Told ya Taylor was a F-R-A-U-D!

[paulfv]

Thank you, Ghost!!

This one's for B-Hop x2, Winky, and Cory. And Ouma.

EFF YOU FRAUD MAN!

And the judges had it like 58-55 and 59-54 Taylor. WTF?!?!

NOT TONIGHT LOSERS!!! -- NO ROBBERIES TONIGHT!!

B-Hop is laughing his ass off. YES!!!!

[Boinko]

Ah, now it begins. Taylor is a fraud. Taylor was exposed. You realize by doing that you're actually diminishing Pavlik's win. How about acknowledging that Taylor is a damn good fighter, and Kelly beat him a damn good fighter.

[Toopretty]

He Is A Fraud For Losing A Close Fight By Knockout Almost Blasting Pavliks Ass Out On His Feet In The 2nd..you Dumb Shits....the Fuck Crack Are You Haters Smoking.

[luckiestman]

taylor is no fraud, he put pavlik on the deck


it was an amazing fight, two great fighters

[Danny Ocean]

fraud wtf

he shown heart a solid chin in round 3 good power and willingness to stand and trade with a bigger guy

jesus this site gets worse

[Asterion]

It was a competitive fight and Taylor is alright as a fighter. Damnit.

[Toopretty]

Ah, now it begins. Taylor is a fraud. Taylor was exposed. You realize by doing that you're actually diminishing Pavlik's win. How about acknowledging that Taylor is a damn good fighter, and Kelly beat him a damn good fighter.


TELL THESE DUMB ESB WHORES.......TAYLOR FOUGHT HIS ASS OFF STANDING FUCKING OVATION FOR TWO FUCKING PRIZE FIGHTERS WITH MORE HEART THEN THESE DUMB BITCHES.

[Haggis McJackass]

Thank you, Ghost!!

This one's for B-Hop x2, Winky, and Cory. And Ouma.

EFF YOU FRAUD MAN!

And the judges had it like 58-55 and 59-54 Taylor. WTF?!?!

NOT TONIGHT LOSERS!!! -- NO ROBBERIES TONIGHT!!

B-Hop is laughing his ass off. YES!!!!

:-(

People like you are dicks. Fuck off.

:hat

[Boinko]

TELL THESE DUMB ESB WHORES.......TAYLOR FOUGHT HIS ASS OFF STANDING FUCKING OVATION FOR TWO FUCKING PRIZE FIGHTERS WITH MORE HEART THEN THESE DUMB BITCHES.

Well said.:good

[Danny Ocean]

:lol: Keep your crying Toopretty. Fact is the FRAUD is gone! And NE[Only registered and activated users can see links] :happy:happy:happy:happy

idiot

[paulfv]

Taylor is decent. But he's no great, and he didn't beat B-Hop or Winky. All us old-timers knew this was coming. Taylor is a great athlete, not a great fighter. He's good, and he came along at the right time. Nothing more.

Pavlik put his hands down in the 2nd, that's all. Pavlik owned the rest of the fight.

Taylor is a fraud. I never thought anything of him, and tonight I was proved correct. I actually thought Taylor would last longer, but even I overrated him.

THANK YOU GHOST!

[Toopretty]

The Fuck Is Going Around Here..what The Fuck Fight Was These Idiots Watching...fuck That Bitch El Rey.. Fuck Em And The Rest.

[Danny Ocean]

if he was a fraud hopkis or winky would have exopsed him not kelly pavlik get some knowledge

[punchdynamo]

You can't blame Taylor for the scores, he fought his usual fight it seemed...but man, does anyone else agree with those score cards!?

[lillarry]

:-(

People like you are dicks. Fuck off.

:hat
:good

[chimba]

Taylors a good fighter, he was a step faster than Pavlik and more explosive but Pavliks got heavy hands and a good jab

[paulfv]

FU:-(

People like you are dicks. Fuck off.

:hat


Fuck you, dick. Go cry somewhere else. This spot is reserved for the FRAUD.

EFF YOU JACKASS!! Ha ha ha!!!!!!! WOOO!!

[Toopretty]

Taylor is decent. But he's no great, and he didn't beat B-Hop or Winky. All us old-timers knew this was coming. Taylor is a great athlete, not a great fighter. He's good, and he came along at the right time. Nothing more.

Pavlik put his hands down in the 2nd, that's all. Pavlik owned the rest of the fight.

Taylor is a fraud. I never thought anything of him, and tonight I was proved correct. I actually thought Taylor would last longer, but even I overrated him.

THANK YOU GHOST!

SHUT THE FUCK UP...YOU DUMB ASS....WITH HIS FLAWS THE FIGHT WAS CLOSE ALL THE WAY THROUGH..WHAT THE FUCK WHERE YOU WATCHING..IT WAS SHOT FOR SHOT BLOW FOR BLOW.....THE FUCK..AM I IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE..

[Chinchecker71]

pavlik is a motherfucking fighter. heart, chin and power. he's a throwback.

He is a throwback. The kid has heart and is deceptively powerful and tenacious.

Frankly I'm not buying Taylor's excuse about conditioning...it's his leaky defense that got him KO'd.

[Efil4zaggin]

Taylor is no fraud, he was 1 punch away from KO'ing Pavlik in the 2nd.....I thought this was the best I'd seen him fight tbh

[paulfv]

The Ghost is the truth.

The Jermaine is da fraud.

EFF YA BABY!!! Losers, go cry somewhere else. I'm not putting up with your bullsh*t.

EFF YA -- DING DONG THE FRAUD IS DEAD!!!!

[Danny Ocean]

We WAs wathching taylor getting

K N O C K E D T H E F U C K O U T

B A N Z A I

ten thousand years to the new emperor of the mid weight div!!

how you can talk like thatafter seein someone seriosuly hurt baffles me

[Danny Ocean]

EFF YA -- DING DONG THE FRAUD IS DEAD!!!!

the worrying thing is jermain was truly hurt but no fans gave a fuck they were to busy laughing etc

saying comments like that is pathetic show some maturity huh

[paulfv]

This fight went exactly as I thought, but Taylor got caught in the 7th when I thought he would get caught in the 10th or 11th.

Pavlik is a real fighter, not a joke athlete pretending to be a fighter.

JUSTICE IS SERVED, BIIIIIIOOOOOTTTTCH!!!!!

[paulfv]

the worrying thing is jermain was truly hurt but no fans gave a fuck they were to busy laughing etc

saying comments like that is pathetic show some maturity huh

Cry me a river son. I laughed like this when Ray Mercer crushed Tommy Boy, too. Shaddup.

Jermaine had this coming -- he got what he deserved. He's ok...

HE'S JUST EXPOSED A BIT. LOL!!!!

TOLD YA, CHUMPS. TOLD YA!!!

[Alo2006]

I think this is a turning point for JT. He had the fight, he just needs to learn how to keep that left hand up and not down. Only a dumb ass would think JT is a fraud!

[Darthmage]

nah man, give it up to Taylor, he almost made it out in rd. 2. He was also outboxing Pavlik relatively well.

[samita]

and how would anyone see pavlik outpointing taylor before the stoppage? he wasn't. taylor might've gotten some gifts in the past, but he was definitely ahead on points from my perspective in this fight

[Thor]

Fraud??? What piss poor classless winners some of you guys are. I give credit to Pavlik, he's strong and tough, BUT let's not forget that Jermain almost blasted his ass out in the second round. That fight was an eyelash away from being over in the second round. Jermain's habit of the low left hand was one factor that cost him his title. As far as the scoring, there were some damn close rounds, but it's a moot point now so why bring it up? Great fight, was shaping into Taylor's favor, but he got caught. Congrats "Ghost", bring on the rematch.

[Danny Ocean]

Cry me a river son. I laughed like this when Ray Mercer crushed Tommy Boy, too. Shaddup.

Jermaine had this coming -- he got what he deserved. He's ok...

HE'S JUST EXPOSED A BIT. LOL!!!!

TOLD YA, CHUMPS. TOLD YA!!!

so your actually not even a teenager

wow im 17 years old and yet i have more sense and maturity than you

saying TOLD YA,CHUMPS TOLD YA is just dorkish

if he was exposed then your underrating what pavlik done maybe pavliks chin was exposed because he got dropped and welter spinks didnt

thats not the case but people could use that logic yet have more sense :-( :-(

[Boinko]

I tell you what I give a lot of credit to Pavlik for a great fight but..........heres what I did see. You cannot beat Pavlik going toe to toe and seen Pavlik can easily be outboxed by a master technician such as Bhop and Winky. His punches are slow..very very hard but slow. Wink can see it coming and win on points and he cant hit Bhop.

Pavlik is definitely beatable. And he's not immune getting to getting hurt, as he was seriously out of it in round 2.

Win or lose, though, his fights will always be entertaining.

[Haggis McJackass]

Taylor is decent. But he's no great, and he didn't beat B-Hop or Winky. All us old-timers knew this was coming. Taylor is a great athlete, not a great fighter. He's good, and he came along at the right time. Nothing more.

Pavlik put his hands down in the 2nd, that's all. Pavlik owned the rest of the fight.

Taylor is a fraud. I never thought anything of him, and tonight I was proved correct. I actually thought Taylor would last longer, but even I overrated him.

THANK YOU GHOST!

Fuck off. What exactly have you done in boxing that allows you to call him a fraud, say you never thought anything of him, and say you were "proved correct" when he gets KOed by an undefeated KO artist who Taylor was leading on the cards and who he had dropped hard in the 2nd?

No "fraud" can fake a close fight, let alone a win, over BHop. Same for Winky. I don't care how good an athlete you are.

You thought he was a fraud, and now you were "proved correct"? You are an asshole.

Taylor took on TOUGH FIGHTS as champ. He beat Hops and then took him on again. He took on Winky, then awkward-assed Spinks and now undefeated, power-punching Pavlik.

I wish more champs were like Taylor, making tough fights. He doesn't score the fights, asshole. He just signs the contracts to make them happen, regardless of how many people call him useless, a fraud etc.

Fuck off.

:hat

[41fever]

JT has his strengths, but when you match him with power then its a toss up...that's y he fought WRIGHT, OUMA, SPINKS...

I wonder what Taylor's options are now...howabout WRIGHT-TAYLOR 2

[badger6]

I guess we can tell exactly who picked who in this thread !!!

[chimba]

This fuckin forums are out of control...its like no one saw the fuckin fight...
Taylor was doing well..Pavlik caught him. JT came out like a champ, Pavlik showed heart, respect to both guys.

[Danny Ocean]

the thread maker is 35yearsold yet says things like

TOLD YA, CHUMPS. TOLD YA!!!


jesus

[Toopretty]

Fuck off. What exactly have you done in boxing that allows you to call him a fraud, say you never thought anything of him, and say you were "proved correct" when he gets KOed by an undefeated KO artist who Taylor was leading on the cards and who he had dropped hard in the 2nd?

No "fraud" can fake a close fight, let alone a win, over BHop. Same for Winky. I don't care how good an athlete you are.

You thought he was a fraud, and now you were "proved correct"? You are an asshole.

Taylor took on TOUGH FIGHTS as champ. He beat Hops and then took him on again. He took on Winky, then awkward-assed Spinks and now undefeated, power-punching Pavlik.

I wish more champs were like Taylor, making tough fights. He doesn't score the fights, asshole. He just signs the contracts to make them happen, regardless of how many people call him useless, a fraud etc.

Fuck off.

:hat

GET HIS ASS.. AM I CRAZY OR ARE THESE THOSE MOST DISRESPECTFUL INGRATES THAT DONT EVEN DESERVE TO CALL OR EVEN CONTIMPLATE CALLING THEMSELVES BOXING FANS.. I CALLED PAVLIK BY KNOCKOUT ON EVERY THREAD......BUT THESE IDIOTS TAKE THE SHIT TOO FAR. FRAUD...THE FUCK...........HOW THE HELL WAS A CLOSE FIGHT A FRAUD THAT ENDING IN A KNOCKOUT..

[Zakman]

Thank you, Ghost!!

This one's for B-Hop x2, Winky, and Cory. And Ouma.

EFF YOU FRAUD MAN!

And the judges had it like 58-55 and 59-54 Taylor. WTF?!?!

NOT TONIGHT LOSERS!!! -- NO ROBBERIES TONIGHT!!

B-Hop is laughing his ass off. YES!!!!

Tell it like it IS. Justice has been SERVED. The fraud, and his shaky chin, have been EXPOSED.

And not even HBO and their judges could take it away from the fighter who deserved to win THIS time!!:-(

Sorry, HBO - you're the mask has been pulled from your hype job. The charade is OVER!!

:party :happy :party :happy :party

[Thor]

Tell it like it IS. Justice has been SERVED. The fraud, and his shaky chin, have been EXPOSED.

And not even HBO and their judges could take it away from the fighter who deserved to win THIS time!!:-(

Sorry, HBO - you're the mask has been pulled from your hype job. The charade is OVER!!

:party :happy :party :happy :party

Jeez, grow up. Shaky chin??? He took flush shots for 6 rounds, and then got caught. That so called "fraud" had Pavlik eating floor in the second round, so what does that say about Pavlik that a fraud could do that to him?

[Tko4]

I'm completely sick of the "fraud" crap on this board. How does losing one fight in about 30 to another elite athlete make you a fraud? Whoever lost tonight was going to be dubbed "the fraud." The fact that either could have lost it is a testament to both of their skills, not lack thereof. Butterbean was a fraud. Taylor was a solid champion.

[Haggis McJackass]

GET HIS ASS.. AM I CRAZY OR ARE THESE THOSE MOST DISRESPECTFUL INGRATES THAT DONT EVEN DESERVE TO CALL OR EVEN CONTIMPLATE CALLING THEMSELVES BOXING FANS.. I CALLED PAVLIK BY KNOCKOUT ON EVERY THREAD......BUT THESE IDIOTS TAKE THE SHIT TOO FAR. FRAUD...THE FUCK...........HOW THE HELL WAS A CLOSE FIGHT A FRAUD THAT ENDING IN A KNOCKOUT..

Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized that Taylor is a black guy while Pavlik is white. Since, as you know, I am a white man, I am duty-bound to not disrespect my race and its proud history of fucking everyone up.

Forget everything you read there. Fuck Taylor, that ignorant-assed, fried-chicken-smelling, gospel-record-listening, stupid-stagger-walking, low-pants-wearing, low-ride-rolling, tacky-jewelery-wearing n****r.

There, that's better. Almost approved of a black man's actions and came to his defence against bullshit criticism there. Wouldn't want you to think any of us are actually capable of doing that, would we? Never mind, the white guy won, so I'm happy.

Fuck Jermaine Taylor, his skin is too dark.

:hat

[Zakman]

I'm completely sick of the "fraud" crap on this board. How does losing one fight in about 30 to another elite athlete make you a fraud? Whoever lost tonight was going to be dubbed "the fraud." The fact that either could have lost it is a testament to both of their skills, not lack thereof. Butterbean was a fraud. Taylor was a solid champion.

Taylor was a fraud long before Pavlik beat him - he got the title on a bogus decision, and then kept on two more. Pavlik just proved what many of us knew all along - HBOs poster boy was nowhere near as good as they tried to get people to believe!:-(

[nrgetic]

TELL THESE DUMB ESB WHORES.......TAYLOR FOUGHT HIS ASS OFF STANDING FUCKING OVATION FOR TWO FUCKING PRIZE FIGHTERS WITH MORE HEART THEN THESE DUMB BITCHES.

It was an exciting fight. Taylor gave some punishment and Pavlik proved to be a beast with a massive heart so no one should be saying anyone is a fraud or anything like that. Taylor took on a dangerous opponent and came very close to winning in very convincing fashion. He deserves respect

[skier47]

Fuck off. What exactly have you done in boxing that allows you to call him a fraud, say you never thought anything of him, and say you were "proved correct" when he gets KOed by an undefeated KO artist who Taylor was leading on the cards and who he had dropped hard in the 2nd?

No "fraud" can fake a close fight, let alone a win, over BHop. Same for Winky. I don't care how good an athlete you are.

You thought he was a fraud, and now you were "proved correct"? You are an asshole.

Taylor took on TOUGH FIGHTS as champ. He beat Hops and then took him on again. He took on Winky, then awkward-assed Spinks and now undefeated, power-punching Pavlik.

I wish more champs were like Taylor, making tough fights. He doesn't score the fights, asshole. He just signs the contracts to make them happen, regardless of how many people call him useless, a fraud etc.

Fuck off.

:hat

I agree with you. Taylor fought everybody who mattered as champion
and I thought he fought his best fight tonight. He had the faster
combinations, good footwork backing up and fighting off the ropes
and showed a good chin. Pavlik had the more effective aggression
throughout most of the fight and finally landed the big right flush.
Great performance and heart displayed by both fighters. I hope
they do it again.

[brooklyn1550]

He's definitely not a fraud...bottom line.

[paulfv]

I cannot believe on the main board people who picked Taylor to win are trying to convince themselves Taylor would win a rematch and/or this is going to be a trilogy. What a joke!

People, the only thing different if these two fight again is that Pavlik doesn't showboat and drop his hands in the 2nd round, and doesn't get dropped. Pavlik will still KO/TKO Taylor, and just as brutally.

I cannot be clear enough about this: There is NO, ZERO version of Taylor that can defeat Pavlik in the pros. This isn't the amateurs, and Taylor does not have the tools to beat Pavlik. PERIOD.

Taylor is exactly what I said he was -- a FRAUD. He's great against old guys and undersized guys. As soon as he went against a guy who was under 35 and had the offense to back him up (and who wasn't a Jr. Middle), he was going to lose. It could have been Pavlik, it could have been someone else. This is what Jermaine Taylor is -- good not great, right guy at the right time and place to 'hold' the belt for a real champ like a Pavlik.

I can't believe how easy Taylor is to hit. Ridiculous.

Fruad, back to ARK you go. Thank you, Ghost, for ending the joke played on fans by DiBella and HBO.

[brooklyn1550]

This truly was a "throwback" fight...like the days of Graziano, Zale, Basilio, etc...

[Farmboxer]

Pavlik can be proud of himself, damned good fight tonight, exciting for a change.

I had Hopkins beating Taylor both times, and I had Winky beating Taylor, also, the fix in was in for Taylor tonight with the damned biased judges, but Pavlik stopped him, good thing, the judges had made up their minds before the fight. I take nothing away from Pavlik, he won the fight against the judges will. And ESPN? They should be ashamed of themselves. Max Kellerman said on ESPN FNF that he would never recognize the WBO title as long as a Klitschko had the title, that says it all.

[MrStayman]

Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized that Taylor is a black guy while Pavlik is white. Since, as you know, I am a white man, I am duty-bound to not disrespect my race and its proud history of fucking everyone up.

Forget everything you read there. Fuck Taylor, that ignorant-assed, fried-chicken-smelling, gospel-record-listening, stupid-stagger-walking, low-pants-wearing, low-ride-rolling, tacky-jewelery-wearing n****r.

There, that's better. Almost approved of a black man's actions and came to his defence against bullshit criticism there. Wouldn't want you to think any of us are actually capable of doing that, would we? Never mind, the white guy won, so I'm happy.

Fuck Jermaine Taylor, his skin is too dark.

:hat

Someone is going to not realize this is sarcasm

[paulfv]

Max Kellerman sucks more black cawk than Kim Kardashian. He's a fuggin joke.

Brilliant post, d.r. Seriously, this is post of the year material.

Kellerman sucks. He is garbage.

[sues2nd]

TELL THESE DUMB ESB WHORES.......TAYLOR FOUGHT HIS ASS OFF STANDING FUCKING OVATION FOR TWO FUCKING PRIZE FIGHTERS WITH MORE HEART THEN THESE DUMB BITCHES.

Great post....:good

[boxbox]

Sure he is! so now you can't say Pavlik is good right? any average fighter can beat a fraud imo. And Pavlik almost got ko'd by the fraud... Please, dont take this away from Kelly, he beat a good fighter to say the least!

[teekay00]

he did lose tonight but he is not a FRAUD. He put Pavlik down and im sure a lot of people thought that was the end of the fight, that would have kept a lot of guys down, not pavlik tho, he got a good heart. Pavlik is a good fighter who has not lost to ANYONE yet ok. Now if he would have been some weaksauce guy with weak losses then you can say Taylor is a fraud but he lost to a very good fighter tonight.

[Vantage_West]

He Is A Fraud For Losing A Close Fight By Knockout Almost Blasting Pavliks Ass Out On His Feet In The 2nd..you Dumb Shits....the Fuck Crack Are You Haters Smoking.exactly i dont see why a rematch isnt imposed?:think

[alex-boxer42]

^what?

Anyway first of all much to respect to both fighters for putting on a brave and exciting performance and actually giving us our moneys worth.

Taylor was a fraud, but it wasnt his fault. It was the fault of the bs judging and whatever connections HBO had to make him out as a star before he really earned it himself. This made him think he was on top the world before he really did anything decisive. I mean, one could make an argument he lost all five of his previous fights.

Tonight he did what true champions do and that is fight the true #1 contender and he deserves nothing but respect for that. He took a beating, but he also did all he could and looked better than Ive ever seen him.

In the end, I knew Kellys pressure would wear Taylor's legs and momentum out after a few rounds and he would hurt him eventually and put him in a corner and knock him out on the spot. I was always highly suspicious of Taylors recovery skills, mainly composure wise, so I knew the fight would be over quick after he got hurt. It would have been very wise idea to take a knee or clinch pavlick to survive just like pavlick did to him earlier, but he chose to take his beating instead. Kudos to him. Like Eubank said, thirty three percent of being a great fighter is taking your beatings. The main thing is he accepted the biggest challenge out there and gave his best effort. I have more respect for him now.

[Skital]

This is a straight up loser thread.

[Ilesey]

Ah, now it begins. Taylor is a fraud. Taylor was exposed. You realize by doing that you're actually diminishing Pavlik's win. How about acknowledging that Taylor is a damn good fighter, and Kelly beat him a damn good fighter.

That pretty much sums up what I was thinking. :good

[TomaTos]

This fight went exactly as I thought, but Taylor got caught in the 7th when I thought he would get caught in the 10th or 11th.

Pavlik is a real fighter, not a joke athlete pretending to be a fighter.

JUSTICE IS SERVED, BIIIIIIOOOOOTTTTCH!!!!!

If Pavlik is the best fighter ever and Taylor is a fraud, how come Taylor almost knock Pavlik out in the second and how come it was dead even after the 6 ?

Actually, this was the best fight Taylor ever fought, Pavlik was just better, it happens. Like Calzague vs Kessler, one guys have to win, the other is no fraud..., he is just the second best in the division. I mean, if Pavlik beat a nobody like you seem to claim, then Pavlik have fought nobody yet and still need to fight a real fighter ? I mean come on, im a huge Pavlik fans and I have to tell you that you look stupid tonight, sorry buddy :patsch !

[El Bombasto]

Taylor has nothing to prove. Yes, he's been in a lot of close fights lately, but he has consistently won. Don't diminish what either fighter accomplished tonight with this fraud BS.

[paulfv]

Bernard Hopkins -- This fight was for you.

Winky Wright ------ This fight was for you.

Cory Spinks -------- This fight was for you.

To everyone who was SO damn sick of the Lou DiBella, Jim Lampley, HBO biased crap and scoring, to all of those who were going to be robbed tonight by another "Bad Decision," this fight was for you.

Justice, finally.

A real middleweight champion we can feel happy about. A guy who earned his straps.

Tonight, The Fraud was finally sent packing -- no more belts, no more '0.'

A great night for the sport. One of boxing's premiere weight divisions finally has a real champion again.

[bumdujour]

Thank you, Ghost!!

This one's for B-Hop x2, Winky, and Cory. And Ouma.

EFF YOU FRAUD MAN!

And the judges had it like 58-55 and 59-54 Taylor. WTF?!?!

NOT TONIGHT LOSERS!!! -- NO ROBBERIES TONIGHT!!

B-Hop is laughing his ass off. YES!!!!

your "fraud" put ghost on his ass in round two:patsch

fucking retard:good

[paulfv]

Yep, he did asshat. Because Pavlik got careless for a second and then didn't keep his hands up. Even frauds get lucky.

For a round or two.

And then they get BEAT DOWN, as we saw with the slumping Taylor in round 7. There's your fraud, Bozo.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHA!

Told you chumps. Easiest call I've made in a while. So sorry 'your guy' lost, loser.

For real boxing fans, tonight was a LONG DAMN TIME coming. Finally... Justice. Sweet justice!

Yeah!!

[paulfv]

Well, if Taylor is a fraud than Pavlik shouldn´t get any credit for beating him, right?

He gets the credit B-Hop and Winky SHOULD have had. That's what he gets credit for, and for ending HBO's "fraud gravy train," and punking DiBella.

HUGE credit for all of those things. Finally, someone pulled the curtain away from the judges and exposed the Wizard of Fraud for the chump he is.

[paulfv]

This is all you need to know about this fight:


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Bob Arum looks like he's going to lose it there in the 3rd row. LOL! And the dude to the right of the ring with the glasses on and his first in the air is probably closest to my own reaction as Taylor got waved-over by the ref. Yes!

[Danny Ocean]

Yep, he did asshat. Because Pavlik got careless for a second and then didn't keep his hands up. Even frauds get lucky.

For a round or two.

And then they get BEAT DOWN, as we saw with the slumping Taylor in round 7. There's your fraud, Bozo.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHA!

Told you chumps. Easiest call I've made in a while. So sorry 'your guy' lost, loser.

For real boxing fans, tonight was a LONG DAMN TIME coming. Finally... Justice. Sweet justice!

Yeah!!

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(


for real boxing fans they appreciated both efforts and look forward to seeing were they both go

not calling them frauds etc so stfu old man

[paulfv]

not calling them frauds etc so stfu old man

Eff you, goofball.

Taylor, as the pic clearly shows, is going down! TIMMMM-BERRR!!!!!

LOL!!!!

Damn that was a SICK beatdown!!! Sweeeeet justice!

[Dorfmeister]

I am inclined to agree with the assumption that Taylor didn't prove anything else more than we already knew about - he was faster with his jab, he caught Kelly with the powerful right cross out of the one-two combination, he took many shots well et cetera... Problem is that he still took punches like he did from Bernard, Winky, Ouma and even Cory, he was not in there to prove he could take Kelly's punches and was a harder nut to crack than Pavlik, this is boxing in the 21st century, you are supposed to hit with maximum leverage and not get hit in return ( that's why you have a brain to co-ordinate your fists), forget about throwback mentality. Taylor was getting hit at will by a stiff left lead ( less flashy, more predictable, still heavy leather in his face) and he was standing in there and waiting and waiting... Until a right hand distorted his facial mask and he was caught by a monster right uppercut that left him senseless and embarrased... Why embarrased, why F-R-A-U-D, you may ask - easy, Manny Steward predicted a 3rd round kayo and prior to that a 7th round TKO to Taylor, well, Jermain didn't go beyond the 7th round and was not careful in what he/they wished for, had to reap what he did sow... Pavlik showed more than a better chin, he showed the heart to succeed and those are two fights in a row he comes as a no-hope Midwest Ohio white middle ( same thang of being a coloured Arkansas middleweight, long time has passed since race or nationality entered in the boxing equation or any other walk in life, we r all the same, we r all 1 - I truly believe so in my heart) so Pavlik is a deverving nº1 160-pounder in the world to face the best such as Abraham and others and make money for his sake and his family... Taylor is still a great fighter the same way Miranda is a great fighter, life goes on.

[Danny Ocean]

Eff you, goofball.

Taylor, as the pic clearly shows, is going down! TIMMMM-BERRR!!!!!

LOL!!!!

Damn that was a SICK beatdown!!! Sweeeeet justice!

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

[Danny Ocean]

:rofl :rofl Eff you, goofball.

Taylor, as the pic clearly shows, is going down! TIMMMM-BERRR!!!!!

LOL!!!!

Damn that was a SICK beatdown!!! Sweeeeet justice!

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:rofl :rofl :rofl

[paulfv]

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[ChampionsForever]

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This fraud was one punch from having Pavlik out on hes ass in the 2nd.

[Grabonator]

:lol: Keep your crying Toopretty. Fact is the FRAUD is gone! And NE[Only registered and activated users can see links] :happy:happy:happy:happy

If taylor proved one thing in this fight, he proved that hes NO fraud!! He fought verry well and this was a great fight, for both men!! Show some respect man! i was impressed, taylor never fought as well ans he did last night but still couldnt beat pavlick!

[paulfv]

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[pipe wrenched]

This fuckin forums are out of control...its like no one saw the fuckin fight...
Taylor was doing well..Pavlik caught him. JT came out like a champ, Pavlik showed heart, respect to both guys.

And that's all there is to it. Good win for Pavlik over a hell of a fighter.

[Grabonator]

You know what?? You suck, almost ALL of you SUCK!!

[pipe wrenched]

If taylor proved one thing in this fight, he proved that hes NO fraud!! He fought verry well and this was a great fight, for both men!! Show some respect man! i was impressed, taylor never fought as well ans he did last night but still couldnt beat pavlick!

:good

[bigeddie27]

Ah, now it begins. Taylor is a fraud. Taylor was exposed. You realize by doing that you're actually diminishing Pavlik's win. How about acknowledging that Taylor is a damn good fighter, and Kelly beat him a damn good fighter.

good point. They are both good fighters and for anyone to call JT a fraud is just trying to look like a genius on here by saying, 'I told ya so'. bunch of haters. JT will be back and I got his back win or lose.

[achillesthegreat]

People hating on Taylor are disgraces.

[Heavyrighthand]

Some of the members on this site calling a world champion who was undefeated and had beaten many great fighters, a *fraud*, merely cause he was finally beaten just goes to show how many 12 year olds there are on this site.

This site is more like a grade school playground, at times. Rediculous.

This kind of bullshit ruins the overall legitimacy of this board and makes one want to find somewhere else to discuss meaningful boxing topics, as there seem to be too many childish kids on this site.

[swedeone]

People calling a world champion who was undefeated and had beaten many great fighters, a *fraud* cause he was finally beaten just goes to show how many 12 year olds there are on this site.


I would agree with that. I never called Taylor a fraud. I did say he was a bit exposed last night in that his chin did not hold up and his defense, which was decent for 6 rounds, did finally bite him in the ass. He impressed me though for the first 6 and it was as good as I had seen him. Kelly Pavlik is just a monster though and I don't see a guy at 160 beating him.

[PacDbest]

Taylor is a Good Fighter but he is not a GREAT Fighter. Great Fighter wins Great Fight convincingly. Just like MAB against Hamed, Pac-MAB, EM-PAC, DLH-Chavez, Taylor doesn't have one of those.

[El Bombasto]

Taylor is a Good Fighter but he is not a GREAT Fighter. Great Fighter wins Great Fight convincingly. Just like MAB against Hamed, Pac-MAB, EM-PAC, DLH-Chavez, Taylor doesn't have one of those.

Up until last night, Taylor beat great fighters consistently. Though, I do agree with you in that Taylor has not done enough to be considered great himself.

[BewareofDawg]

Gloat all you want. Taylor ruined the 20 title defenses of Hoke-kins, and thats all we are concerned about.
No he didn't. The Judges beat Hopkins :deal

[Drew101]

This will likely be my last post for quite some time.

I am sick and fucking TIRED of hysterical assholes like El Rey, Zakman, et al acting like retarded six year olds whenever a fighter they dislike happens to lose a fight.

Rather than give pi]any[/i] amount of credit to Pavlik for overcoming adversity and spirited performance from an establsihed champion, they simply choose to label the loser a "fraud". Well then...what does that make Pavlik? A semi-fraud!?

I shouldn't be surprised...because this type of behavior happens after every major fight. But, it is really starting to aggravate me, and I'm no longer willing to let this shit stress me out.

I'm taking some time off of ESB, until such time as I'm ready to deal with this shit once again. If any members of the Classic section happen to read this post, then know that the 140lb tourney that I was going to run is being put on hold until I come back.

Oh, and congratulations to Pavlik, for producing a career-defining win in exciting fashion against a very good fighter. He's very exciting, and, if he follows Taylor's lead in taking on credible opposition, then we could be in for a hell of a ride. I'm looking forward to it.

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[buddynabuick]

The Ghost is the truth.

The Jermaine is da fraud.

EFF YA BABY!!! Losers, go cry somewhere else. I'm not putting up with your bullsh*t.

EFF YA -- DING DONG THE FRAUD IS DEAD!!!!



taylor is no longer "germaine" with the subject matter:lol: But he is not a fraud:good

[Thor]

This will likely be my last post for quite some time.

I am sick and fucking TIRED of hysterical assholes like El Rey, Zakman, et al acting like retarded six year olds whenever a fighter they dislike happens to lose a fight.

Rather than give pi]any[/i] amount of credit to Pavlik for overcoming adversity and spirited performance from an establsihed champion, they simply choose to label the loser a "fraud". Well then...what does that make Pavlik? A semi-fraud!?

I shouldn't be surprised...because this type of behavior happens after every major fight. But, it is really starting to aggravate me, and I'm no longer willing to let this shit stress me out.

I'm taking some time off of ESB, until such time as I'm ready to deal with this shit once again. If any members of the Classic section happen to read this post, then know that the 140lb tourney that I was going to run is being put on hold until I come back.

Oh, and congratulations to Pavlik, for producing a career-defining win in exciting fashion against a very good fighter. He's very exciting, and, if he follows Taylor's lead in taking on credible opposition, then we could be in for a hell of a ride. I'm looking forward to it.

Well said. Know how you feel. :good

[carras]

The "fraud" put pavlik down and almost out in the second round.......

What a bunch of morons......

[joe the great]

Taylor wasn't a fraud. Taylor was a good champ but Pavlik was just the better man that night.

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[Jose FM]

Told ya guys, Taylor was a fake middleweight chump.

[Asterion]

The "fraud" put pavlik down and almost out in the second round.......

What a bunch of morons......



Exactly. :deal :deal :thumbsup

[paulfv]

Told ya guys, Taylor was a fake middleweight chump.

Damn straight, Jose. There were a lot of suckers on ESB riding the bogus JT bandwagon. :good

[Jose FM]

Damn straight, Jose. There were a lot of suckers on ESB riding the bogus JT bandwagon. :good
Hand-speed alone doesnt win fights! These fools picking Taylor were bent on his hand-speed and his resume, well hand speed wastes energy and a resume means nothing in the ring. Finally, we have a real Middleweight champion who actually wants to fight Middleweights! :thumbsup

[paulfv]

Hand-speed alone doesnt win fights! These fools picking Taylor were bent on his hand-speed and his resume, well hand speed wastes energy and a resume means nothing in the ring. Finally, we have a real Middleweight champion who actually wants to fight Middleweights! :thumbsup

Speak it, man! :happy:good:thumbsup:happy

You knew Taylor would gas. When he did, he got stopped.

So...damn...basic.

[Grabonator]

Told ya guys, Taylor was a fake middleweight chump.

Another stupid disrespectfull dumbshit post...IM SICK OF THIS!! I LEAVE THIS FORUM!!! BYE!!

[kg0208]

Well if Taylor was fake, fraud, whatever, then Pavlik accomplished nothing last night. It's one way or the other guys.

[paulfv]

Taylor was the pretender I and many others thought he was. Pavlik got caught with showboating or else he never would have been in any danger in this fight. If they fight 9 more times, Pavlik will win every 9.

I'm not surprised in the least, just happy that the judges weren't allowed to steal another fight for Taylor.

[majorer]

Ah, now it begins. Taylor is a fraud. Taylor was exposed. You realize by doing that you're actually diminishing Pavlik's win. How about acknowledging that Taylor is a damn good fighter, and Kelly beat him a damn good fighter.

No I dont think that most people realize that they are actually diminishing Pavliks win by calling Taylor a fraud.

Most people here simply dont have the intelligence to grasp such a complex idea. They will go like this: " Pavlik is my man, he is great, after all he beat a nobody. Therefore he is great. You see that is how it works afterall, you beat a bum and you achieve greatness, and if you dont understand this then you must be a bitch, a hater or somthing else, uuuuuuuuuh,yeah, ...... yeah man ......uhhh..uuuuh yeah man
bitch ...yeah ...uhh yeah"

Dont object to this line of reasoning. If you do you are a bitch. You know. Or a hater.

Just for the record: Look at the fight tonight and tell me that Taylor is not a great great athlethe. You cant do that if you are honest.
Pavlik won. No one can deny that. But it could just as well have been Pavlik who lost. And Jermain Taylor might very well win a rematch. Remember how the nobody bum Taylor had Pavlik down in the second round.
It could have gone either way.

[Zakman]

Jeez, grow up. Shaky chin??? He took flush shots for 6 rounds, and then got caught. That so called "fraud" had Pavlik eating floor in the second round, so what does that say about Pavlik that a fraud could do that to him?

It might indicate that Pavlik doesn't have the greatest set of whiskers himself. We'll have to see. He could also be one of these guys that can be decked, but is REAL hard to put away, like Holmes or Louis.

Don't be a sore loser, friend. Your HBO hype job was exposed, just like I said he would. I'll be generous to you, you can pick the Pavlik avatar of your choice!

[brooklyn1550]

It might indicate that Pavlik doesn't have the greatest set of whiskers himself. We'll have to see. He could also be one of these guys that can be decked, but is REAL hard to put away, like Holmes or Louis.

Don't be a sore loser, friend. Your HBO hype job was exposed, just like I said he would. I'll be generous to you, you can pick the Pavlik avatar of your choice!

Zakman, do you see any similarities between Pavlik's chin and Cotto's chin?

[ron u.k.]

taylor showed he was anything but a fraud.his stock has probably gone up in losing in this slugfest than it did in winning the others and putting us to sleep.

[Zakman]

I cannot believe on the main board people who picked Taylor to win are trying to convince themselves Taylor would win a rematch and/or this is going to be a trilogy. What a joke!

People, the only thing different if these two fight again is that Pavlik doesn't showboat and drop his hands in the 2nd round, and doesn't get dropped. Pavlik will still KO/TKO Taylor, and just as brutally.

I cannot be clear enough about this: There is NO, ZERO version of Taylor that can defeat Pavlik in the pros. This isn't the amateurs, and Taylor does not have the tools to beat Pavlik. PERIOD.

Taylor is exactly what I said he was -- a FRAUD. He's great against old guys and undersized guys. As soon as he went against a guy who was under 35 and had the offense to back him up (and who wasn't a Jr. Middle), he was going to lose. It could have been Pavlik, it could have been someone else. This is what Jermaine Taylor is -- good not great, right guy at the right time and place to 'hold' the belt for a real champ like a Pavlik.

I can't believe how easy Taylor is to hit. Ridiculous.

Fruad, back to ARK you go. Thank you, Ghost, for ending the joke played on fans by DiBella and HBO.

Tell it like it!!! :good Justice has been served! HBOs holding the middleweight title hostage with their undeserving poster-boy is OVER!!! :happy

[buddynabuick]

Fraud??? What piss poor classless winners some of you guys are. I give credit to Pavlik, he's strong and tough, BUT let's not forget that Jermain almost blasted his ass out in the second round. That fight was an eyelash away from being over in the second round. Jermain's habit of the low left hand was one factor that cost him his title. As far as the scoring, there were some damn close rounds, but it's a moot point now so why bring it up? Great fight, was shaping into Taylor's favor, but he got caught. Congrats "Ghost", bring on the rematch.



I had pavlik but dam:tired I wouldn't berate Taylor, or his fans to their face and I certainly won't do that on this forum:nono One is no better than anyone else cause their fighter won. A little good natured ribbing is fun, but this is.............. SILLLY:stir..................AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I am a


















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[David UK]

Always has been a fraud. Been saying that for years. Unfort it hasn't been until now that everyone can see it as he has been feasting on light punching blown up Light Middles and the over 40 club. First decent Middle he faces, he loses

[Zakman]

Zakman, do you see any similarities between Pavlik's chin and Cotto's chin?

There may be. Both seem to be guys, like Felix Trinidad, who can be hurt, but who have so much heart and recuperative powers that they are able to overcome what are, at the least, average chins.

However, it remains to be seen for sure on both guys. It is still possible that these guys just don't have the punch resistance to hang with the best of the best over the long haul. In that sense, the jury's still out on both. So far, so good, but doubts have to remain.

[buddynabuick]

Someone is going to not realize this is sarcasm



i think the sarcasm is obvious:lol:

[buddynabuick]

This is a straight up loser thread.



Its actually a good thread:good You just gotta mentally delete the idiotic posts and just read the good ones of which their are more than a few:yep

[buddynabuick]

This is all you need to know about this fight:


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Bob Arum looks like he's going to lose it there in the 3rd row. LOL! And the dude to the right of the ring with the glasses on and his first in the air is probably closest to my own reaction as Taylor got waved-over by the ref. Yes!

That is a classic photo. Arum don't look good:yikes BTW, the woman next 2 him is telling him not 2 kill himself

[Zakman]

Always has been a fraud. Been saying that for years. Unfort it hasn't been until now that everyone can see it as he has been feasting on light punching blown up Light Middles and the over 40 club. First decent Middle he faces, he loses

Indeed. And he couldn't even beat THOSE guys without HBOs help! :patsch


Taylor is, and always has been, a FRAUD - the product of HBOs corruption of the sport.

Thank goodness this charade is OVER!!!:happy

[PacDbest]

I give Taylor respect for Fighting Bhop, Winky & Pavlik back to back. That's the best of the best in that division. Compare that to PBF latest I-pick opponents. Taylor is just not meant to be a Great Fighter, I just can't mentioned any one Great win of his. Floyd at least have some Great wins at 130. But at 135- up his only Great win is with the Shot Gatti.

[mad_takamura]

idiot uh huh. :good

[Amsterdam]

Well if Taylor was fake, fraud, whatever, then Pavlik accomplished nothing last night. It's one way or the other guys.

I'll put it this way KG, the jury is still out on Pavlik.:lol: :yep

[mad_takamura]

for me either way: this is the most disrespectful thread for a fighter i have ever seen, not that because i picked taylor to win, but because there is no sportmanship in a sense to credit the other fighter who lost or who won.
show this thread to a casual boxing fan and they will be disgusted by your reactions. "jt is fraud" then what happens if kelly also loses and every body will say that he is a skinhead geek who deserve to lose will you also cry and whine?
tsk, tsk, tsk... :-(

[ron u.k.]

for me either way: this is the most disrespectful thread for a fighter i have ever seen, not that because i picked taylor to win, but because there is no sportmanship in a sense to credit the other fighter who lost or who won.
show this thread to a casual boxing fan and they will be disgusted by your reactions. "jt is fraud" then what happens if kelly also loses and every body will say that he is a skinhead geek who deserve to lose will you also cry and whine?
tsk, tsk, tsk... :-(your spot on pal.but this what happens with the huggers they just can't appreciate and commend both fighters.this was a helluva middleweight title fight in the fine tradition of some of the other one's of the past.taylor fought better than he has since he won the title he was a whisker away from what would have been considered a great win.he fought well behind the jab put good combinations together and also utilised a good left hook besides his favourite right hand plus he was aggresive for once throughout.pavlik i can't speak highly enough of, although one dimensional what heart and balls, a genuine tough guy with power.anyone who wants to beat this kid is going to have to nail him to the canvas because if you don't he is coming right back after you as miranda and taylor have found out.i was not a particular fan of either but both guys have gone right up in my estimation.