Manny Pacquiao is scared of needles...

[achillesthegreat]

...BUT if it wasn't for all the tats it would be believable.

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Thanks to Mandanda we can also see his reaction to taking blood.
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[Mazallan]

They are stick on. If you look carefully they peel off a little when he sweats.

[BamBam]

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Terrified of them by the look of it. The sheer terror and panic on his face tells you everything you need to know about PacMans needle phobia

[smjm089]

Ive got a needle phobia aswell when i was getting a blood test i had my blood pressure taken before it and it was through the roof and had to get a 24hour monitor on and it was fine the rest of the day i dont mind injections or tattoos but the thought of sticking an needle direcly into the vein is bad enough never mind numerous times before a fight.

[smjm089]

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Terrified of them by the look of itStill much more relaxing an easier than a needle directly in the vein.

[achillesthegreat]

Ive got a needle phobia aswell when i was getting a blood test i had my blood pressure taken before it and it was through the roof and had to get a 24hour monitor on and it was fine the rest of the day i dont mind injections or tattoos but the thought of sticking an needle direcly into the vein is bad enough never mind numerous times before a fight.

But you'd still take that needle if it was worht $40 million wouldn't you!

[smjm089]

But you'd still take that needle if it was worht $40 million wouldn't you!I think i could be swayed by that though.








But Mayweather dosent want any of Pacman.

[dan-b]

Stupid thread. I think most of the anitpathy toward Pac has more to do with people being upset the big fight is off, as opposed to thinking what Floyd's requested is just.

[Mandanda]

There's a video of him on 24/7 getting his blood taken. He has sunglasses on but he's not going mad or cringing just sitting there cool. So i don't think he's that bad as there making out.

[achillesthegreat]

Stupid thread. I think most of the anitpathy toward Pac has more to do with people being upset the big fight is off, as opposed to thinking what Floyd's requested is just.
The fight is off because of 2 reasons - Pac is scared of needles and Roach says taking blood the week before the fight will affect his fighters mindset.

You'd suspect if he was slightly scared of needles that he wouldn't look so comfortable getting the tat done. At least Palomino agrees with me.

Why would anyone care that Floyd wants the strictest drug testing possible. Surely that is better for everyone.

[BamBam]

I can't fathom how people are having a go at Floyd on this one. I'm not particularly fond of the man but all hes asking for is the strictest way of ensuring that the fight is totally on the level.

[achillesthegreat]

There's a video of him on 24/7 getting his blood taken. He has sunglasses on but he's not going mad or cringing just sitting there cool. So i don't think he's that bad as there making out.

which one? which episode? we must source this asap.

[rooq]

mods, move this to the GF. oh..erm....

[zico2010]

I can't fathom how people are having a go at Floyd on this one. I'm not particularly fond of the man but all hes asking for is the strictest way of ensuring that the fight is totally on the level.

Probably a fair enough way to sum the situation up - i think Pac is just causing fuss here to get something else down the line for agreeing to it, justa negotiation tactic

[Mandanda]

which one? which episode? we must source this asap.
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[BamBam]

Getting blood take is unpleasant but its no big deal. I usually puke after having blood drawn but for the kind of money at stake here, professional pride and the chance to put all the arguments to bed I'd have no problem with any of this if I was PacMan

[achillesthegreat]

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thank you very much.

case closed. pac is bricking it. he's the sole reason for the biggest fight in history falling through! I bring his whole legacy into question until he rectifies this ASAP!

[dan-b]

The fight is off because of 2 reasons - Pac is scared of needles and Roach says taking blood the week before the fight will affect his fighters mindset.

You'd suspect if he was slightly scared of needles that he wouldn't look so comfortable getting the tat done. At least Palomino agrees with me.

Why would anyone care that Floyd wants the strictest drug testing possible. Surely that is better for everyone.

The fight is off because Floyd is asking for the rules to be changed, rules that have been set in stone for many years.

I really don't understand how you can be a mod and create such immature threads.

[dan-b]

mods, move this to the GF. oh..erm....

Indeed.:roll:

[achillesthegreat]

The fight is off because Floyd is asking for the rules to be changed, rules that have been set in stone for many years.

I really don't understand how you can be a mod and create such immature threads.

You are being ridiculous to say the least. Commission drug testing is not as strict as can be and does not test for all drugs. You are a pac apologist.

Nothing is immature about this thread. It exposes Pacs supposed fear of needles.

[dan-b]

You are being ridiculous to say the least. Commission drug testing is not as strict as can be and does not test for all drugs. You are a pac apologist.

Nothing is immature about this thread. It exposes Pacs supposed fear of needles.

I'm being ridiculous? Coming from the 'mod' who thinks posting pictures of Pac having a tattoo done proves he isn't scared of needles. The issue has been with drawing blood anyway, but I think you know this.

As I said earlier, we're all upset the fight's off, but let's not go pretending Pac owes us a battery of un******ted tests.

[Healy]

The likes of dan-b cannot come to terms with the simple facts presented to them. It makes me wonder about peoples common sense.

Its a blood test:lol: Not a request to take his head off his shoulders

A disgrace from the Pacman camp

[dan-b]

The likes of dan-b cannot come to terms with the simple facts presented to them. It makes me wonder about peoples common sense.

Its a blood test:lol: Not a request to take his head off his shoulders

A disgrace from the Pacman camp

What simple facts? What are you talking about, Mr Angry?

[BamBam]

I'm being ridiculous? Coming from the 'mod' who thinks posting pictures of Pac having a tattoo done proves he isn't scared of needles. The issue has been with drawing blood anyway, but I think you know this.

As I said earlier, we're all upset the fight's off, but let's not go pretending Pac owes us a battery of un******ted tests.

I posted the pic not him.

Anyway, there is zero reason PacMan should refuse the tests unless he's a hemophiliac, and hes not.

A battery of unwanted tests is stretching it a bit. They draw a little blood, it takes 20 seconds, and then the tests are done in a lab. Its not like are going to strap him to a table and do experiments on him ffs.

[dan-b]

I posted the pic not him.

Anyway, there is zero reason PacMan should refuse the tests unless he's a hemophiliac, and hes not.

A battery of unwanted tests is stretching it a bit. They draw a little blood, it takes 20 seconds, and then the tests are done in a lab. Its not like are going to strap him to a table and do experiments on him ffs.

Can you not see this has become a point of principle now? If it was the other way around do you think Mayweather would be saying "Yes, Mr Pacquiao, I will do everything you say"?

[BamBam]

I can see why boxers like to one up each other and try and fuck about with the contracts but its all eyes on PacMan now and if he really thinks he can do a number on Mayweather then take the tests, trade it off for something else in the contract. If PacMan goes in doing the tests he can say 'I was clean I told you so' and if he does a job on Mayweather, like he thinks he can, then he comes up smelling of roses.

[GazOC]

The Mayweathers should STFU and get on with the fight.

[dan-b]

I can see why boxers like to one up each other and try and fuck about with the contracts but its all eyes on PacMan now and if he really thinks he can do a number on Mayweather then take the tests, trade it off for something else in the contract. If PacMan goes in doing the tests he can say 'I was clean I told you so' and if he does a job on Mayweather, like he thinks he can, then he comes up smelling of roses.

But why should he have to? The only answer people seem to be able to give me is that he should do it because Mayweather has said so. I'm not convinced Mayweather is confident he can win this fight, I think that's what this boils down to.

[dan-b]

The Mayweathers should STFU and get on with the fight.

Do you think they really want the fight? They should STFU though, hopefully this lawsuit will ensure they refrain from any further baseless comments. They need to learn this isn't the street corner and can't just 'holla' abuse at people unabated.

[Beeston Brawler]

They all just need to shut the fuck up and fight.

Mayweather with his demands - even though IMO they should be the rules - and Pacquiao with the lawsuits and such.

The last thing boxing needs right now is another Leonard/Hagler type situation - at least back in the early/mid 80's there were other fights for the public to get into...... this is a lifeline for the sport and for it not to happen would be a travesty.

In terms of non-heavyweight fights since that time, I can't think of a bigger one that hasn't actually occured.

[GazOC]

Do you think they really want the fight? They should STFU though, hopefully this lawsuit will ensure they refrain from any further baseless comments. They need to learn this isn't the street corner and can't just 'holla' abuse at people unabated.


I think top level boxing should be subject to stricter drug testing, I just don't see why it should start with this fight just because the Mayweathers say so. "Tail wagging the dog" and all that.....

I'm sure Mayweather believes he can win but he must know if he loses then its a big knock on his legacy whereas a loss for Pac will probably be treated less harshly (rightly or wrongly).

[dan-b]

They all just need to shut the fuck up and fight.

Mayweather with his demands - even though IMO they should be the rules - and Pacquiao with the lawsuits and such.

The last thing boxing needs right now is another Leonard/Hagler type situation - at least back in the early/mid 80's there were other fights for the public to get into...... this is a lifeline for the sport and for it not to happen would be a travesty.

In terms of non-heavyweight fights since that time, I can't think of a bigger one that hasn't actually occured.

This fight ain't happening mate. I think people need to get used to that.

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol:

I'll bookmark this thread.

I'd happily sport an Audley Harrison avatar for life if this fight doesn't happen.

[TFFP]

I don't think Pac's main complaint is being afraid of needles anyway...

[GazOC]

If the situation stayed like this and the fight didn't happen, who would you blame? Team Pac or Team Mayweather?

[TFFP]

I'd blame them both for being idiots. One of them should swallow their pride. But ultimately its Mayweather's demand outside of any demand he himself has ever made or that any actual boxer in history that can I remember has made that is holding up the whole thing. Based on little more than Pac being good and his crackhead father's wild accusations.

[dan-b]

Mayweather. He's the one asking for long standing rules to be changed, just for one of his fights.

If the fight doesn't happen on March 13th it never will. Pac is very keen to run for office and, if he wins, it's very likely he won't fight again.

[achillesthegreat]

I'm being ridiculous? Coming from the 'mod' who thinks posting pictures of Pac having a tattoo done proves he isn't scared of needles. The issue has been with drawing blood anyway, but I think you know this.

As I said earlier, we're all upset the fight's off, but let's not go pretending Pac owes us a battery of un******ted tests.

yes, i think you are being ridiculous. i didn't start the childish antics by the way - you did.

they said pac was scared of needles not drawing blood. i showed he wasn't scared of needles. bambam took that further and mandanda ruined the theory.

carlos palomino agrees with me that he says he is scared of needles but has tats.

even the people who say the issue is with drawing blood have been refuted. there is video evidence of him looking just dandy while drawing blood.

you are a pac apologist. simple as.

'battery of unwarreanted tests' - talk about overplaying it. if im not mistaken its 2 random tests which would take a literally minutes.

the commission dont have strict enough testing. you should be for this not against but being a pac apologist i guess you are not.

[GazOC]

Yeah, thats my take on it. Pacs intransigence is annoying (and, lets be honest, opens himself up for allegations of wrongdoing) but Mayweather is the guy asking for something thats never happened before in the sport.

[Beeston Brawler]

Do you think Pacquiao will succeed in politics?

I know the Pinoys are rabid for him..... but could you imagine a British equivalent (in history) ever gaining a high ranking position?

I know Sebastian Coe became an MP but he wasn't a professional sportsman..... I'm trying to think of very popular sportsmen/women - imagine Ian Botham becoming PM?

At least beer would be cheap :lol:

[achillesthegreat]

Can you not see this has become a point of principle now? If it was the other way around do you think Mayweather would be saying "Yes, Mr Pacquiao, I will do everything you say"?

8oz reyes gloves - mayweather said yes mr pac
147 weight class - mayweather said yes mr pac
march 13th only - mayweather said yes mr pac

i haven't even heard mayweather say no to the TEN MILLION POUND FINE for not making weight

you are quite clearly part of the pac camp. im not part of either camp. i'm simply using my head.

[dan-b]

yes, i think you are being ridiculous. i didn't start the childish antics by the way - you did.

they said pac was scared of needles not drawing blood. i showed he wasn't scared of needles. bambam took that further and mandanda ruined the theory.

carlos palomino agrees with me that he says he is scared of needles but has tats.

even the people who say the issue is with drawing blood have been refuted. there is video evidence of him looking just dandy while drawing blood.

you are a pac apologist. simple as.

'battery of unwarreanted tests' - talk about overplaying it. if im not mistaken its 2 random tests which would take a literally minutes.

the commission dont have strict enough testing. you should be for this not against but being a pac apologist i guess you are not.

That's it, pigeon hole me because it suits your agenda. You don't even know what you're talking about with regards to the tests, so it's pointless us discussing this further. You clearly don't know all the facts.

[Truth Is]

Why would anyone care that Floyd wants the strictest drug testing possible. Surely that is better for everyone.


Two words my friend, Marion Jones. Jones never failed the tests provided by the Olympic Committee. However, by her own admission, she was using the very drugs the committee was charged with finding.

This has nothing to do with Pac using drugs. This has everything to do with giving FM an advantage. It is his way of trying to do to Pac what he did to JMM. "Level plaining field" my eye.:-(

[achillesthegreat]

That's it, pigeon hole me because it suits your agenda. You don't even know what you're talking about with regards to the tests, so it's pointless us discussing this further. You clearly don't know all the facts.

you simply cant handle the truth and you are not being logical on all the issues. simple as.

[TFFP]

yes, i think you are being ridiculous. i didn't start the childish antics by the way - you did.

they said pac was scared of needles not drawing blood. i showed he wasn't scared of needles. bambam took that further and mandanda ruined the theory.

carlos palomino agrees with me that he says he is scared of needles but has tats.

even the people who say the issue is with drawing blood have been refuted. there is video evidence of him looking just dandy while drawing blood.

you are a pac apologist. simple as.

'battery of unwarreanted tests' - talk about overplaying it. if im not mistaken its 2 random tests which would take a literally minutes.

the commission dont have strict enough testing. you should be for this not against but being a pac apologist i guess you are not.
And you are a Mayweather apologist if you think its fine and dandy for Mayweather to request something that nobody in history has done as if its perfectly reasonable. It's something I'm all for if its brought in across the board but on Mayweather's say so? Hell no.

[GazOC]

I don't know if Pacs fear of needles is genuine but the fact he has tats doesn't mean much IMHO. Tattoo needles arn't invasive, theres no sharp piercing sensation into a vein, its just a "buzz" on your skin.

[dan-b]

8oz reyes gloves - mayweather said yes mr pac
147 weight class - mayweather said yes mr pac
march 13th only - mayweather said yes mr pac

i haven't even heard mayweather say no to the TEN MILLION POUND FINE for not making weight

you are quite clearly part of the pac camp. im not part of either camp. i'm simply using my head.

Even though neither of us were privvy to the negotiations, let's assume what you've written above is accurate. None of those things involve an unprecedented rule change, do they?

[achillesthegreat]

Two words my friend, Marion Jones. Jones never failed the tests provided by the Olympic Committee. However, by her own admission, she was using the very drugs the committee was charged with finding.

This has nothing to do with Pac using drugs. This has everything to do with giving FM an advantage. It is his way of trying to do to Pac what he did to JMM. "Level plaining field" my eye.:-(

notice that i said strictest drug testing POSSIBLE. numerous athletes get away with but all involved are not making it tough enough to NOT get away with it.

even if it isnt to do with drugs and its to do with one upmanship then pacs had his fair share of requirements met. to be honest every pac request has been met that i know of.

[dan-b]

you simply cant handle the truth and you are not being logical on all the issues. simple as.

What truth? You can use all the glib paraphrases you like, it doesn't make your argument any stronger.

[achillesthegreat]

Even though neither of us were privvy to the negotiations, let's assume what you've written above is accurate. None of those things involve an unprecedented rule change, do they?

those are the things that roach, pac and arum have publicly stated.

TEN MILLION POUND FINE - you are honestly trying to justify this. it exposes you as a pac apologist.

im just calling it like i see it.

i dont see the big issue with 2 random blood tests. pac is happy to throw away $40mil over it. raises big questions doesn't it.

the pac apologists are hiding behind the slander rubbish. no mainstream fan even knows of seniors comments. everyone at my work is interested in this fight and all them have bets on it. none of them are calling him a druggy etc it was a nothing comment. everyone i know is amazed at pacs accomplishments.

pac is the only one to blame for this issue being blown out of proportion.

[Beeston Brawler]

You do know that both of them are probably reading this thread...... laughing all the way to the bank :lol:

[achillesthegreat]

What truth? You can use all the glib paraphrases you like, it doesn't make your argument any stronger.

logic makes my argument triumph.

[achillesthegreat]

You do know that both of them are probably reading this thread...... laughing all the way to the bank :lol:

true. people are saying march 13th doesnt provide enough publicity time. this issue has made up for the lost time. no doubt about it.

[dan-b]

those are the things that roach, pac and arum have publicly stated.

TEN MILLION POUND FINE - you are honestly trying to justify this. it exposes you as a pac apologist.

im just calling it like i see it.

i dont see the big issue with 2 random blood tests. pac is happy to throw away $40mil over it. raises big questions doesn't it.

the pac apologists are hiding behind the slander rubbish. no mainstream fan even knows of seniors comments. everyone at my work is interested in this fight and all them have bets on it. none of them are calling him a druggy etc it was a nothing comment. everyone i know is amazed at pacs accomplishments.

pac is the only one to blame for this issue being blown out of proportion.

How can I take you seriously when you still don't know what the proposed testing programme consists of?

[achillesthegreat]

How can I take you seriously when you still don't know what the proposed testing programme consists of?

what i've read about is 2 random blood tests. enlighten me on what you know.

mayweather will be subjected to it also.

a battery of tests you said. please prove this.

[dan-b]

logic makes my argument triumph.

You're no different to the kids on the GF who cry "hater" when someone disagrees with them.

[TFFP]

Pac's request for smaller gloves that always were used at this weight in the past right up to 154lbs except in Nevada...wow thank the Lord Mayweather is so accomodating.

And for the fight to be at 147lbs which is actually Mayweather's weight rather than one where he's angling to get every advantage possible.

Yeah, things that are supposed to happen really equates to changing the whole testing process.

[dan-b]

what i've read about is 2 random blood tests. enlighten me on what you know.

mayweather will be subjected to it also.

a battery of tests you said. please prove this.

No, no. Please do more reading Mr "my logic triumphs".

[achillesthegreat]

No, no. Please do more reading Mr "my logic triumphs".

overall i do have to say pathetic.

[GazOC]

Pac's request for smaller gloves that always were used at this weight in the past right up to 154lbs except in Nevada...wow thank the Lord Mayweather is so accomodating.

And for the fight to be at 147lbs which is actually Mayweather's weight rather than one where he's angling to get every advantage possible.

Yeah, things that are supposed to happen really equates to changing the whole testing process.

I believe Mayweather has also graciously agreed to 1 ref, 3 judges, a rectangular ring and the 10 point must system of scoring.....;)

[achillesthegreat]

Pac's request for smaller gloves that always were used at this weight in the past right up to 154lbs except in Nevada...wow thank the Lord Mayweather is so accomodating.

And for the fight to be at 147lbs which is actually Mayweather's weight rather than one where he's angling to get every advantage possible.

Yeah, things that are supposed to happen really equates to changing the whole testing process.

10oz at 154. im glad its at 147 using 8oz but that is what pac wanted. negotiations is all about advantages. 10mil fine is certainly a big advantage wouldnt you say.

i dont really see a drug test as a major advantage. especially when you have to face them as well.

i cant believe people are actually trying to defend NOT having stricter drug testing. this is brillant.

[TFFP]

I believe Mayweather has also graciously agreed to 1 ref, 3 judges, a rectangular ring and the 10 point must system of scoring.....;)
:lol::shock: Only after tough negotiations. I believe they wanted a circular ring.

[GazOC]

10oz at 154. im glad its at 147 using 8oz but that is what pac wanted. negotiations is all about advantages. 10mil fine is certainly a big advantage wouldnt you say.

i dont really see a drug test as a major advantage. especially when you have to face them as well.

i cant believe people are actually trying to defend NOT having stricter drug testing. this is brillant.

People arn't defending not having stricter drug testing, they are asking why it should be for this fight and at the Mayweathers say so.

[dan-b]

overall i do have to say pathetic.

That you don't know all the facts in relation to your 'argument'? I agree.

[achillesthegreat]

That you don't know all the facts in relation to your 'argument'? I agree.

I do know all the arguments. I know they can ask for as many tests as they want but that wouldn't happen. They won't be taking tests every day. Realistically they are saying two. The issue is to WHEN. Pacs saying 30 days prior and the day after but guys can cycle drugs to avoid these dates.

Pacs reaction is overboard.

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It looks like the fight will go ahead cos they are negotiating like they should have in the beginning.

The pac apologists and the rest of us can calm down now.

[Truth Is]

they said pac was scared of needles not drawing blood. i showed he wasn't scared of needles.

Who is "they". The only thing that I have seen quoted from Pac is that drawing blood immediately before the fight 'would weaken him'. This is the exact thing he said after his loss against EM, (by the way he passed that test too). He never again allowed blood to be taken before a fight and has never lost since.

As for the weakening claim, other atheletes that have passed the blood test have also complained about the Olympic Committe doing random tests because the intrusiveness could affect their performance. The Olympic Team that said this said it sometime after Pac's comments after the EM fight and after they won the Gold medal.

This accusing folks of something you have no proof of should be banned. This has happened to many an Afican American athelete in times past so FM should be sensitive to that. Some could not believe the athletisicm of the opposing athelete and accused them of cheating just because their favorite athelete could not run as fast, or jump as high, or move as quickly. If you have proof, that is one thing. If not, you should be sued.

By the way, if I could advise Pac, I would tell him to do exactly what he is doing. Sue FM and his Dad for the 40 mill and then beat up Paul M. That way, he will collect 50 mill and will only have to box no more than 12 rounds. This move could set FM back 80 mill. Even if Pac doesn't win the lawsuit, this move hurts FM worse than it would Pac. Remember, it was Floyd who immediately paid the IRS after the JMM fight. Between the two, FM needs Pac more than Pac needs him.

[achillesthegreat]

Arum said he is scared of needles.

By the way, I do think athletes should be continously tested via urine, blood and saliva. It's the only way to catch these guys. Too many athletes are taking drugs and there should be a zero tolerance policy. Guys should be petrified to be caught with it in their system.

[GazOC]

Hypothetical Question: If both Pac and Mayweather fail the drug tests will the winner of the proposed Hatton-JMM fight become the new P4P champion??

;O)

[ishy]

No they will only be interim P4P champ Gaz, the winner will have to fight Bernard Hopkins to determine an outright champ ;)

[TFFP]

Hypothetical Question: If both Pac and Mayweather fail the drug tests will the winner of the proposed Hatton-JMM fight become the new P4P champion??

;O)
:rofl:rofl:rofl

[GazOC]

No they will only be interim P4P champ Gaz, the winner will have to fight Bernard Hopkins to determine an outright champ ;)
:lol:

Thanks for clearing that up mate!!:good

[Truth Is]

Arum said he is scared of needles.

My point exactly.

[Truth Is]

true. people are saying march 13th doesnt provide enough publicity time. this issue has made up for the lost time. no doubt about it.

Agreed.

[icemax]

Two words my friend, Marion Jones. Jones never failed the tests provided by the Olympic Committee. However, by her own admission, she was using the very drugs the committee was charged with finding.


Not true...Marion Jones was actually jailed for not admitting to taking PEDs to a grand jury. She only admitted to taking these drugs after a tip-off to the authorities by Trevor Graham, the same Trevor Graham who works with Freddie Roach

[Truth Is]

Not true...Marion Jones was actually jailed for not admitting to taking PEDs to a grand jury. She only admitted to taking these drugs after a tip-off to the authorities by Trevor Graham, the same Trevor Graham who works with Freddie Roach

My point is, the Olympic testing did not discover the PEDs. So why is everyone pointing to it as the holy grail.

[icemax]

My point is, the Olympic testing did not discover the PEDs. So why is everyone pointing to it as the holy grail.

OK, forget about testing, its shit anyway :-(

On the other hand, it did catch these cheating cunts


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[Truth Is]

Arum said he is scared of needles.

By the way, I do think athletes should be continously tested via urine, blood and saliva. It's the only way to catch these guys. Too many athletes are taking drugs and there should be a zero tolerance policy. Guys should be petrified to be caught with it in their system.

Agreed. But don't start doing it with a fighter that the other fighter is afraid of. FM has not required this of any other fighter. This type of testing should be done as a requirement of the commission and should have an official starting point. Not out of reaction of one fighters baseless claims. ODH did not require this of FM and neither should FM of Pac. FM jumped further in weight to fight ODH.

Current testing should be enough for this fight as these are the same tests that validated FM was clean for his 40 wins. If we question the testing now, by necessity we have to question whether or not FM was really clean during his 40 an 0 run. You see, slippery slope.

[achillesthegreat]

Agreed. But don't start doing it with a fighter that the other fighter is afraid of. FM has not required this of any other fighter. This type of testing should be done as a requirement of the commission and should have an official starting point. Not out of reaction of one fighters baseless claims. ODH did not require this of FM and neither should FM of Pac. FM jumped further in weight to fight ODH.

Current testing should be enough for this fight as these are the same tests that validated FM was clean for his 40 wins. If we question the testing now, by necessity we have to question whether or not FM was really clean during his 40 an 0 run. You see, slippery slope.
Floyd questions his path to the top because to go from 106 to 147 is very special. Often, we have found when special accomplishments are achieved that the athlete was on something.

I find it shocking that people aren't championing the strictest testing possible. Olympic testing isn't 100% but it's the best I know of. You can be randomly tested for urine, blood and saliva. Athletes must be subjected to this because of all the cheating.

I love how people suddenly like the commission. All the commissions aren't up to scratch and are continously improving. This fight could set a GOOD precedent.

We should question testing and its not a slippery slope. Given sport today, we should question everyone who has ever accomplished anything special.

In an earlier post you were given a link with a long list of guys. Mosely, Jones, Toney and Vargas are not to be trusted. Why the fuck should we trust any other athlete.

[dan-b]

Floyd questions his path to the top because to go from 106 to 147 is very special. Often, we have found when special accomplishments are achieved that the athlete was on something.

I find it shocking that people aren't championing the strictest testing possible. Olympic testing isn't 100% but it's the best I know of. You can be randomly tested for urine, blood and saliva. Athletes must be subjected to this because of all the cheating.

I love how people suddenly like the commission. All the commissions aren't up to scratch and are continously improving. This fight could set a GOOD precedent.

We should question testing and its not a slippery slope. Given sport today, we should question everyone who has ever accomplished anything special.

In an earlier post you were given a link with a long list of guys. Mosely, Jones, Toney and Vargas are not to be trusted. Why the fuck should we trust any other athlete.

Achilles, no one's saying they don't want stricter rules in boxing. The likes of me and Gaz have simply said it shouldn't be done at the hest of the Mayweathers.

[Cobbler]

OK, forget about testing, its shit anyway :-(

On the other hand, it did catch these cheating cunts


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The fact that I can see Shane Mosley on the list suggests that your claim is incorrect...

[achillesthegreat]

Achilles, no one's saying they don't want stricter rules in boxing. The likes of me and Gaz have simply said it shouldn't be done at the hest of the Mayweathers.
I don't see it being done any other way so I'll support however it could get introduced. This will hopefully set a precedent.

Floyd has the right to suspect Pac. He's conceeded to EVERY request from their camp - EVEN a 10mil fine if he misses weight.

Suprise suprise that P4P like Roy, Mosley and Toney have been caught doing drugs and they all got caught at the heigher weights.

[Truth Is]

Floyd questions his path to the top because to go from 106 to 147 is very special. Often, we have found when special accomplishments are achieved that the athlete was on something.

Then if we are simply pointing to weight, then Floyd should be questioned more so. He moved from 106 to 154. If Pac should be suspected, then surely Floyd must be cheating. Besides we have evidence that Floyd has used unfair advantages. I am speaking specifically of coming in overweight when fighting JMM. Overweight against the smaller less skilled fighter. Now he wants a level playing field? Riiiight.

[HitmanHatton]

Then if we are simply pointing to weight, then Floyd should be questioned more so. He moved from 106 to 154. If Pac should be suspected, then surely Floyd must be cheating. Besides we have evidence that Floyd has used unfair advantages. I am speaking specifically of coming in overweight when fighting JMM. Overweight against the smaller less skilled fighter. Now he wants a level playing field? Riiiight.

Floyd is agreeing to the drugs tests but Pacquiao isnt.

[Farmboxer]

Void, Sr. said that he did not want Void, Jr. to fight Pac.

Void wants to rewrite boxing rules for Pac only, never been done before.

Pac agreed to take a blood test right after the fight, nothing wrong with that.

[donno]

shite thread
ive got 9 tatoos, had numerous injections (tb, going on holiday vaccs etc), yet every time ive had blood took since i was 15 ive passed out, as soon as i walk into the room and see the arm strap my legs turn to jelly

[Carnage]

OK, forget about testing, its shit anyway :-(

On the other hand, it did catch these cheating cunts


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All i saw from that was the top bit and someone got done in shooting?!?! What the fuck do they need that for?? Unless it was a 2yr olds shooting and was fucked up on stedz???

[icemax]

All i saw from that was the top bit and someone got done in shooting?!?! What the fuck do they need that for??

The drug he took slows the heartbeat and enables him to take a steadier aim

[icemax]

shite thread
ive got 9 tatoos, had numerous injections (tb, going on holiday vaccs etc), yet every time ive had blood took since i was 15 ive passed out, as soon as i walk into the room and see the arm strap my legs turn to jelly

Then unless you beat your fear you would not make it to the top in numerous sports

[Carnage]

The drug he took slows the heartbeat and enables him to take a steadier aim
Alright, alright Mr "I've taken the drugs so I know":good!