Amsterdam, how big of a load did you drop in your pants during the second round?

[RAMPAGE0017]

I give you credit for predicting the correct outcome of the fight ( although almost all of your reasons behind it were proven wrong ).


So tell us.. how bad did you stink your house up?

[splatter69]

HEEHHEH i was fucking on edge and my heart was hammering... but i didnt soil myself. Def a shacky moment

[Amsterdam]

What reasons were proven wrong?

Pavlik was on his way to walking him down and KOing him even earlier had it not been for the KD round where he broke his nose. Did you notice that he fought extra tentatively for the next few rounds, but regained control and kept Taylor on the backfoot through reach and effective pressure until he landed the right shot and put him out?

Taylor did not handle the pressure well at all, he could not keep poise, like I stated that he wouldn't. I also stated that their level of defence was about the same and Taylor lacked the boxing ability like most thought to box a good fight for 12 rounds, another thing correct.

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.

So basically, the KD round happened and disrupted Pavlik from going about like I said he would do, but he then regained control and did what my prediction told?:yep

I suppose I was all wrong then.

Anyway, I was rather surprised when Pavlik got KD'd, but that's a new reflection of his own chin in my opinion, he wouldn't be well suited to move up in weight against bigger punchers, because Taylor is not a big puncher.

[Ambition_Def]

I'll tell you what I was doing. I was screaming at my television asking Pavlik if he forgot his defense at home.

Still can't believe he caught all those punches flush in the second. :patsch Scares me should he ever get in the ring with Calzaghe.

[splatter69]

Why the fuck do fighters when hurt try and play it like that ... Kelly smiled...dropped his hands and even i believe stuck out his tounge....and then ate a 3 or 4 punch combo. Had he just shook it off ...or held or anything but act like that he prolly wouldnt a been dropped.

[audio101]

Calzaghe doesn't have any more power, plus his punches are more slaps then full fledge power shots like Taylor throws.

[Ambition_Def]

Why the fuck do fighters when hurt try and play it like that ... Kelly smiled...dropped his hands and even i believe stuck out his tounge....and then ate a 3 or 4 punch combo. Had he just shook it off ...or held or anything but act like that he prolly wouldnt a been dropped.

Probably a delayed reaction. That happens you get hit and think you are ok then a second or two later your legs are gone.

[Fab2333]

Lemme be the first to congratulate all the Pavlik fans, b/c I can admit I did pick Taylor to win. So I will be man and say congrats, but real talk. Pavlik is kind of wack, and the funny thing is Taylor is worst. Jermain should have won this fight, but as usual people and haste, always rushing and smothering their punches. He had dude hurt why not pick your shots now, g2 the body and weaken him down there and then come back upstairs. DAM man, taylor got me upset watchin him 2nite. Taylor will never be great if he doesnt use his head when he is fighting. Dude always seems to kno the blueprint 2 win when the fight is over lol. Never while he is in the fight. Im watchin the fight with my boys, and my trainer calls me when the fight is over and says I cant believe Taylor lost to this bum. Pavlik has power goin 4 him that is it. Still is very easy to hit. Jermain for what reason I dont kno would not use his jab, or keep HIS DAMN HANDS UP. For the love of me, damn keep ya guard up, he musta thought he was roy jones or something. but im watchin the fight and im like whythe f**k wont he use his jab and keep his hands up. But its wateva, like I said congrats to Pavlik and his fans.

[Marnoff]

What reasons were proven wrong?

Pavlik was on his way to walking him down and KOing him even earlier had it not been for the KD round where he broke his nose. Did you notice that he fought extra tentatively for the next few rounds, but regained control and kept Taylor on the backfoot through reach and effective pressure until he landed the right shot and put him out?

Taylor did not handle the pressure well at all, he could not keep poise, like I stated that he wouldn't. I also stated that their level of defence was about the same and Taylor lacked the boxing ability like most thought to box a good fight for 12 rounds, another thing correct.

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.

So basically, the KD round happened and disrupted Pavlik from going about like I said he would do, but he then regained control and did what my prediction told?:yep

I suppose I was all wrong then.

Anyway, I was rather surprised when Pavlik got KD'd, but that's a new reflection of his own chin in my opinion, he wouldn't be well suited to move up in weight against bigger punchers, because Taylor is not a big puncher.

Well, nice to see you won't be gone for seven months old friend.

[Amsterdam]

I'll tell you what I was doing. I was screaming at my television asking Pavlik if he forgot his defense at home.

Still can't believe he caught all those punches flush in the second. :patsch Scares me should he ever get in the ring with Calzaghe.

Both guys simply are not true P4P level fighters mate, I also stated this before the fight. They both have an atrocious defence first of all, which you just stated in your review.

At least he did the job, I was confident the entire time and got the styles, intangibles and all of that correct. Before the KD, he was easily winning the round and was setting his pressure based game plan in and was out jabbing Taylor.

Pavlik is good, but he is far from anything resembling a potential ATG like they initially thought Taylor would become, forever showing their immense level of ignorance regarding this sport.

[Jack]

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.Bullshit!

I am not a big Taylor fan at all, and wanted Pavlik to win, but to even suggest that Taylor has a weak chin after taking so many great punches is bollocks. The amount of right hands that landed flush on his jaw was insane. From the hardest htiter in the division too. A one punch knockout artist landed his signature shot plenty of times, and Taylor took a lot of them easily.

What really frustrates me about you and Zakman is, you can't go against your predictino. If Amir Khan, a boxer you both think has a glass jaw, takes some ferocious shots by a guy with a 100% knockout ratio in his next fight, you'll still have the opinion that he has a glass jaw. Neither of you know when to give up. Both are far too stubborn about picking glass jaws.

Taylor can take a better punch than many boxers. That, after tonight, is without doubt.

[RAMPAGE0017]

What reasons were proven wrong?

Pavlik was on his way to walking him down and KOing him even earlier had it not been for the KD round where he broke his nose. Did you notice that he fought extra tentatively for the next few rounds, but regained control and kept Taylor on the backfoot through reach and effective pressure until he landed the right shot and put him out?

Taylor did not handle the pressure well at all, he could not keep poise, like I stated that he wouldn't. I also stated that their level of defence was about the same and Taylor lacked the boxing ability like most thought to box a good fight for 12 rounds, another thing correct.

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.

So basically, the KD round happened and disrupted Pavlik from going about like I said he would do, but he then regained control and did what my prediction told?:yep

I suppose I was all wrong then.

Anyway, I was rather surprised when Pavlik got KD'd, but that's a new reflection of his own chin in my opinion, he wouldn't be well suited to move up in weight against bigger punchers, because Taylor is not a big puncher.

I couldn't disagree with you any further.

First off, Taylor handled Pavlik's pressure more than well.
Did he back Taylor into the corner occasionally? Yes. Was Pavlik able to capitalize on that? No, he wasn't.. just as Lennox Lewis pointed on, Taylor would realize he was in trouble once he felt his back against the rope and either block, or move from harm's way. I remember you also questioning Taylor's power.. I guess we can write that one off. And the thing you put the MOST emphasis on is Taylor's chin.. now come on.. you can't tell me that Pavlik wasn't catching him with plenty of hard shots. Just because none of them were able to put him down, you automatically come to the conclusion that Pavlik just wasn't " sitting down " on his punches until the final blow?? :lol:

[Boom_Boom]

I give you credit for predicting the correct outcome of the fight ( although almost all of your reasons behind it were proven wrong ).


So tell us.. how bad did you stink your house up?

He was on ESB looking for one of his old threads saying Pavlik has a china chin before the Miranda fight. :lol:

[Zakman]

What reasons were proven wrong?

Pavlik was on his way to walking him down and KOing him even earlier had it not been for the KD round where he broke his nose. Did you notice that he fought extra tentatively for the next few rounds, but regained control and kept Taylor on the backfoot through reach and effective pressure until he landed the right shot and put him out?

Taylor did not handle the pressure well at all, he could not keep poise, like I stated that he wouldn't. I also stated that their level of defence was about the same and Taylor lacked the boxing ability like most thought to box a good fight for 12 rounds, another thing correct.

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.

So basically, the KD round happened and disrupted Pavlik from going about like I said he would do, but he then regained control and did what my prediction told?:yep

I suppose I was all wrong then.

Anyway, I was rather surprised when Pavlik got KD'd, but that's a new reflection of his own chin in my opinion, he wouldn't be well suited to move up in weight against bigger punchers, because Taylor is not a big puncher.

Good points. Bottom line, Taylor's many limitations and questionable chin were confirmed tonight. I personally would upgrade it from "suspect" to "Shaky."

And Pavlik might have to go on the "suspect" list.:yep

[Amsterdam]

Lemme be the first to congratulate all the Pavlik fans, b/c I can admit I did pick Taylor to win. So I will be man and say congrats, but real talk. Pavlik is kind of wack, and the funny thing is Taylor is worst. Jermain should have won this fight, but as usual people and haste, always rushing and smothering their punches. He had dude hurt why not pick your shots now, g2 the body and weaken him down there and then come back upstairs. DAM man, taylor got me upset watchin him 2nite. Taylor will never be great if he doesnt use his head when he is fighting. Dude always seems to kno the blueprint 2 win when the fight is over lol. Never while he is in the fight. Im watchin the fight with my boys, and my trainer calls me when the fight is over and says I cant believe Taylor lost to this bum. Pavlik has power goin 4 him that is it. Still is very easy to hit. Jermain for what reason I dont kno would not use his jab, or keep HIS DAMN HANDS UP. For the love of me, damn keep ya guard up, he musta thought he was roy jones or something. but im watchin the fight and im like whythe f**k wont he use his jab and keep his hands up. But its wateva, like I said congrats to Pavlik and his fans.

Because, he cannot keep poise under pressure, which was the basis of me picking Pavlik, because Taylor's defence against a guy pressuring is atrocious.

[DanePugilist]

Great call, Amsterdam...

and good and true post, Ambition

[maciek4]

Bullshit!

I am not a big Taylor fan at all, and wanted Pavlik to win, but to even suggest that Taylor has a weak chin after taking so many great punches is bollocks. The amount of right hands that landed flush on his jaw was insane. From the hardest htiter in the division too. A one punch knockout artist landed his signature shot plenty of times, and Taylor took a lot of them easily.

What really frustrates me about you and Zakman is, you can't go against your predictino. If Amir Khan, a boxer you both think has a glass jaw, takes some ferocious shots by a guy with a 100% knockout ratio in his next fight, you'll still have the opinion that he has a glass jaw. Neither of you know when to give up. Both are far too stubborn about picking glass jaws.

Taylor can take a better punch than many boxers. That, after tonight, is without doubt.

Pavlik is not a one punch knockout artist.

[Amsterdam]

Good points. Bottom line, Taylor's many limitations and questionable chin were confirmed tonight. I personally would upgrade it from "suspect" to "Shaky."

And Pavlik might have to go on the "suspect" list.:yep

Pavlik definitley goes on the suspect chin list, it's not like Jermain is a serious hitter to begin with, that was the only surprising element of the fight right there, otherwise, it went to plan and the pressure from Pavlik set in eventually and that's the end of that.

And I didn't say that was the only flush right hand, I said it was one of the only FULLY sat down shots that landed perfectly clean, many of the other blows were partially blocked or Pavlik wasn't sitting down on them fully.

And Jack, Pavlik's KO ratio is great, but he ALWAYS wears down an opponent, happened with Miranda and Zertuche also. I am not claiming Taylor has a 'glass' chin, but I am saying his chin came into the equation, like I said it would, when Pavlik landed his best right hand, because he was essentially out on his feet.

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik is not a one punch knockout artist.

Exactly, the guy can fucking hit, who is to say otherwise, but in what recent bout has he not first worn down the opponent?

This is what people do not get sometimes, all KO's are not the same and Jermain's jaw isn't glass, it's in the 'average' rating for me, which is workable but obviously not solid enough when you have a piss defence and are terribly flawed all around with poor survival skills.

[Fab2333]

Another thing, did anyone other than me thought the officiating was horrible. He let a lot of bulls**t go on the clinches and exchanges. Well he let Pavlik get away with a lot of cheap shots rather. The stoppage was fine to whoever thought it was premature. JT was done. Pavlik put him 2 bed, so I wont argue that. S**t got me kind of tight that Jermain lost to limtited ass kelly pavlik. He's always making fights harder for himself than it has 2 be

[Carlos Primera]

Pavlik definitley goes on the suspect chin list, it's not like Jermain is a serious hitter to begin with, that was the only surprising element of the fight right there, otherwise, it went to plan and the pressure from Pavlik set in eventually and that's the end of that.

And I didn't say that was the only flush right hand, I said it was one of the only FULLY sat down shots that landed perfectly clean, many of the other blows were partially blocked or Pavlik wasn't sitting down on them fully.

And Jack, Pavlik's KO ratio is great, but he ALWAYS wears down an opponent, happened with Miranda and Zertuche also. I am not claiming Taylor has a 'glass' chin, but I am saying his chin came into the equation, like I said it would, when Pavlik landed his best right hand, because he was essentially out on his feet.
you still doing the post fight jermain tayor assesment and the other assesments?

i put some vcash on pavlik so i almost dropped a big one in the 2nd:lol:

[MrStayman]

Another thing, did anyone other than me thought the officiating was horrible. He let a lot of bulls**t go on the clinches and exchanges. Well he let Pavlik get away with a lot of cheap shots rather. The stoppage was fine to whoever thought it was premature. JT was done. Pavlik put him 2 bed, so I wont argue that. S**t got me kind of tight that Jermain lost to limtited ass kelly pavlik. He's always making fights harder for himself than it has 2 be

I thought the officiating was fine. He was quicker to break up the clinches then the estrada-berto ref was.

[DanePugilist]

Not that I would question your chin-checking abilities, but even if Pavlik did go down - he came back well. He seemed a bit struck by the importance of the fight, and made a few mistakes - I think he has proven a pretty good chin priorly, but lets see...

[Rickypr18]

Why the fuck do fighters when hurt try and play it like that ... Kelly smiled...dropped his hands and even i believe stuck out his tounge....and then ate a 3 or 4 punch combo. Had he just shook it off ...or held or anything but act like that he prolly wouldnt a been dropped.
I second that. But who cares?? He won the fight.

[Amsterdam]

I couldn't disagree with you any further.

First off, Taylor handled Pavlik's pressure more than well.
Did he back Taylor into the corner occasionally? Yes. Was Pavlik able to capitalize on that? No, he wasn't.. just as Lennox Lewis pointed on, Taylor would realize he was in trouble once he felt his back against the rope and either block, or move from harm's way. I remember you also questioning Taylor's power.. I guess we can write that one off. And the thing you put the MOST emphasis on is Taylor's chin.. now come on.. you can't tell me that Pavlik wasn't catching him with plenty of hard shots. Just because none of them were able to put him down, you automatically come to the conclusion that Pavlik just wasn't " sitting down " on his punches until the final blow?? :lol:

I put some emphasis on Taylor's chin and I stand by it, if he fights another puncher in the future, he will get KOed, just like tonight, but if it's at SMW, it will be smoother and quicker, because the top 8 or so at SMW are much better fighters than Pavlik.

Now, the biggest emphasis was Taylor's inability to handle pressure effectively. He did not keep good poise the entire night because of it and with his athletic ability and superior speed to Pavlik he would have won had he had the skill and mentality to keep poise and pick his shots well, but he could not do so, because the pressure disrupts him and he cannot keep a game plan.

This was evident, if you can't see that then why am I bothering here?

My analysis was on target.

[brooklyn1550]

I would say they both have good chins

[RAMPAGE0017]

I put some emphasis on Taylor's chin and I stand by it, if he fights another puncher in the future, he will get KOed, just like tonight, but if it's at SMW, it will be smoother and quicker, because the top 8 or so at SMW are much better fighters than Pavlik.

Now, the biggest emphasis was Taylor's inability to handle pressure effectively. He did not keep good poise the entire night because of it and with his athletic ability and superior speed to Pavlik he would have won had he had the skill and mentality to keep poise and pick his shots well, but he could not do so, because the pressure disrupts him and he cannot keep a game plan.

This was evident, if you can't see that then why am I bothering here?

My analysis was on target.

You're bothering here because your analysis was shaky. I don't know which fight you were watching, but Taylor looked to me like he was picking his shots very well. And you admitted yourself that you felt that Taylor blocked many of Pavlik's punches, so how do you feel that Taylor was having trouble handling his pressure when he was arguably WINNING the fight? If there was anything Taylor had trouble with it was Pavlik's power.

[Fab2333]

I would say they both have good chinsI agree with that. Both took some bgshots and stood up.

[Amsterdam]

You're bothering here because your analysis was shaky. I don't know which fight you were watching, but Taylor looked to me like he was picking his shots very well. And you admitted yourself that you felt that Taylor blocked many of Pavlik's punches, so how do you feel that Taylor was having trouble handling his pressure when he was arguably WINNING the fight? If there was anything Taylor had trouble with it was Pavlik's power.

Taylor could not keep poise well under pressure, he was too wild at times, was not picking his shots like he should and when the pressure finally set in, he was beginning to get walked down and further fell apart.

This is what I said would happen, because he landed on Pavlik, a man with a horrible defence, he was automatically picking his shots like he should?:lol:

He fell apart and could not keep poise or a gameplan.

[brooklyn1550]

Pavlik needs to move his head more...he stands so straight up

[Amsterdam]

I agree with that. Both took some bgshots and stood up.

Taylor has never been a puncher, so this definitley at least raises some eyebrows about Pavlik's chin. I am not calling it 'shaky', he got up and finished the job, but we will have to gauge it well in the future.

[brooklyn1550]

Taylor has never been a puncher, so this definitley at least raises some eyebrows about Pavlik's chin. I am not calling it 'shaky', he got up and finished the job, but we will have to gauge it well in the future.

No, he's never been known as a puncher, but he has power. He's got decently heavy hands. You're right though, we will know more about Pavlik as he faces Abraham or another big puncher.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Taylor could not keep poise well under pressure, he was too wild at times, was not picking his shots like he should and when the pressure finally set in, he was beginning to get walked down and further fell apart.

This is what I said would happen, because he landed on Pavlik, a man with a horrible defence, he was automatically picking his shots like he should?:lol:

He fell apart and could not keep poise or a gameplan.


Yet was arguably winning the fight? :huh

Taylor must be better than we'd all imagined if he can " fall apart " and " not keep a gameplan " and still come within a nose-hair of not only knocking Pavlik out, but potentially win on points, as well.

[RAMPAGE0017]

No, he's never been known as a puncher, but he has power. He's got decently heavy hands. You're right though, we will know more about Pavlik as he faces Abraham or another big puncher.


Wow, didn't take long for everyone to forget about Edison Miranda. :lol:

[MrStayman]

As Lennox pointed out, Taylor was showing more power with his straight rights than Miranda was with his looping shots. So, it's not too surprising that he felt it more in this fight.

[Amsterdam]

Yet was arguably winning the fight? :huh

Taylor must be better than we'd all imagined if he can " fall apart " and " not keep a gameplan " and still come within a nose-hair of not only knocking Pavlik out, but potentially win on points, as well.

Did my prediction NOT state that it would take a few rounds for the pressure to set in and Taylor to unravel? Which meaning that he would probably be ahead unless Pavlik was outlanding, which I made no comment about that.

The KD round offset the effective use of pressure for the next several, but he regained control and it only took 2 rounds of putting the heat on well to finally end it.

Again, child, my prediction and analysis was very much on target.

HOWEVER -

Brooklyn1550's was even better, much congratulations to him for being 100% spot on.

[Ambition_Def]

As Lennox pointed out, Taylor was showing more power with his straight rights than Miranda was with his looping shots. So, it's not too surprising that he felt it more in this fight.

It was the left hook that started the Pavlik knockdown.

[brooklyn1550]

Wow, didn't take long for everyone to forget about Edison Miranda. :lol:

Pavlik stood up to some huge right hands from Miranda, but he can be hurt which was evident by the 2nd round tonight. I thought Taylor was going to end it - what a statement that would have been!

[Amsterdam]

Wow, didn't take long for everyone to forget about Edison Miranda. :lol:

Yes, a guy who was terrible off the backfoot and not getting the right amount of levarage(which is needed for his big bombs) didn't do very well.

Nobody is saying he's glass, we are saying it's an eye opener and we need a further gauge, Pavlik's been on the floor in the past against non impressive punchers.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Did my prediction NOT state that it would take a few rounds for the pressure to set in and Taylor to unravel? Which meaning that he would probably be ahead unless Pavlik was outlanding, which I made no comment about that.

The KD round offset the effective use of pressure for the next several, but he regained control and it only took 2 rounds of putting the heat on well to finally end it.

Again, child, my prediction and analysis was very much on target.

HOWEVER -

Brooklyn1550's was even better, much congratulations to him for being 100% spot on.


No need to get touchy now, bud. The fact of the matter is.. Taylor never unraveled that entire fight until Pavlik connected with the right hand that would go on to initiate the final knock-out combination.

As I said.. in the end the only thing Taylor ended up having trouble with was Pavlik's power.. every other assessment you made wasn't DEAD wrong, but it was not as correct as your blinding hatred for Taylor wants you to believe. :good

[Fab2333]

pavlik really kind of shocked the world in a sense. B/C i didnt think he was gon win, and he may have made believers out of a lot of people. He shocked a lot of peole, did anyone peep the look Lennox had on his face at the end of the fight lol. He was lookin like wtd just happened here lol. BUt like Amsterdamn said dont get it twisted. Pavlik is still very limited and needs a lot of work defensively. So please dont overrate him

[RAMPAGE0017]

Yes, a guy who was terrible off the backfoot and not getting the right amount of levarage(which is needed for his big bombs) didn't do very well.


We're moving to contradiction now? You claimed that you felt Pavlik had a sturdy chin SPECIFICALLY because he took Miranda's shots, are you going to deny that now?

Nobody is saying he's glass, we are saying it's an eye opener and we need a further gauge, Pavlik's been on the floor in the past against non impressive punchers.

Was his head almost removed by the said punchers?

[Amsterdam]

We're moving to contradiction now? You claimed that you felt Pavlik had a sturdy chin SPECIFICALLY because he took Miranda's shots, are you going to deny that now?

We have new evidence in hindsight. Have you never heard of a 're-assessment'?

:patsch

And by saying it's 'sturdy', I am saying it's 'unbreakable'? No. This bout proved that it's up for a re-assessment, which is what we are all talking about.

[RAMPAGE0017]

We have new evidence in hindsight. Have you never heard of a 're-assessment'?

:patsch

What I'm saying is.. do you now believe Miranda is not a hard puncher?

[Ambition_Def]

It's pretty simple. They trained for Taylor's right hand and ended up getting rocked by the left hook.

Pavlik didn't see it, and it caught him flush in the face. Watch the tape.

[Amsterdam]

What I'm saying is.. do you now believe Miranda is not a hard puncher?

I believe that Miranda is a hard puncher, but I also believe that he cannot produce his best power shot on the backfoot. Furthermore, Taylor landed shots in rapid succession trying to finish him, Miranda was landing 1 at a time.

Do you want to compare these factors? Or do you not get the difference, OR are you just trying to pick at things to be a pest?

I'm finished with you regardless in this discussion.

[RAMPAGE0017]

It's pretty simple. They trained for Taylor's right hand and ended up getting rocked by the left hook.

Pavlik didn't see it, and it caught him flush in the face. Watch the tape.


Well then, I guess we can forget about the idea that Taylor " didn't have a gameplan ".

[Ambition_Def]

Well then, I guess we can forget about the idea that Taylor " didn't have a gameplan ".

Well obviously he has a gameplan. Who doesn't?

But what some people on here were doing was saying that Taylor was significantly faster, much better boxer, more experience.. shit.

The only thing Taylor had was a slight speed advantage and heart. The only thing he ever had. That was a nice left hook surprise though. He almost did it. But boxingwise? Naw, he wasn't boxing Pavlik's ears off no time soon.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I believe that Miranda is a hard puncher, but I also believe that he cannot produce his best power shot on the backfoot. Furthermore, Taylor landed shots in rapid succession trying to finish him, Miranda was landing 1 at a time.

Do you want to compare these factors? Or do you not get the difference, OR are you just trying to pick at things to be a pest?

I'm finished with you regardless in this discussion.

I see, so you spend over a MONTH rubbing this analysis in everyone's face, and now that you're being called out on it you're complaining? Okay pal, you were right all along. Taylor got his ass whooped. :lol:

[uppa kut]

Lemme be the first to congratulate all the Pavlik fans, b/c I can admit I did pick Taylor to win. So I will be man and say congrats, but real talk. Pavlik is kind of wack, and the funny thing is Taylor is worst. Jermain should have won this fight, but as usual people and haste, always rushing and smothering their punches. He had dude hurt why not pick your shots now, g2 the body and weaken him down there and then come back upstairs. DAM man, taylor got me upset watchin him 2nite. Taylor will never be great if he doesnt use his head when he is fighting. Dude always seems to kno the blueprint 2 win when the fight is over lol. Never while he is in the fight. Im watchin the fight with my boys, and my trainer calls me when the fight is over and says I cant believe Taylor lost to this bum. Pavlik has power goin 4 him that is it. Still is very easy to hit. Jermain for what reason I dont kno would not use his jab, or keep HIS DAMN HANDS UP. For the love of me, damn keep ya guard up, he musta thought he was roy jones or something. but im watchin the fight and im like whythe f**k wont he use his jab and keep his hands up. But its wateva, like I said congrats to Pavlik and his fans.


Wow, Congrats Pavlik fans on winning the MW belt. Ur boys a bum. WEAK!! Yeah maybe your "Trainer" will get you in the ring with KP and then we will see who's the bum.

[cardstars]

No need to get touchy now, bud. The fact of the matter is.. Taylor never unraveled that entire fight until Pavlik connected with the right hand that would go on to initiate the final knock-out combination.

As I said.. in the end the only thing Taylor ended up having trouble with was Pavlik's power.. every other assessment you made wasn't DEAD wrong, but it was not as correct as your blinding hatred for Taylor wants you to believe. :good

Just accept it - Taylor got KTFO :bbb

[Fab2333]

Wow, Congrats Pavlik fans on winning the MW belt. Ur boys a bum. WEAK!! Yeah maybe your "Trainer" will get you in the ring with KP and then we will see who's the bum.

lol, in due time dude, first of all even though he knocked out JT. He showed lots of flaws in his game, as other people have posted is why I said he was a bum from a skill standpoint. He has power thats it. Defensively anyone can tag him with decent hand speed, and we see he can b hurt if you land good shots on him. All he got goin fro him is his height and power. I kno at the end of the day its about gettin the W, is why i congratulate him. But he is not that great of a boxer, and other people agree with me.

[bigeddie27]

What reasons were proven wrong?

Pavlik was on his way to walking him down and KOing him even earlier had it not been for the KD round where he broke his nose. Did you notice that he fought extra tentatively for the next few rounds, but regained control and kept Taylor on the backfoot through reach and effective pressure until he landed the right shot and put him out?

Taylor did not handle the pressure well at all, he could not keep poise, like I stated that he wouldn't. I also stated that their level of defence was about the same and Taylor lacked the boxing ability like most thought to box a good fight for 12 rounds, another thing correct.

Lastly, I commented on Taylor's chin. Well, when Pavlik landed the fully flush right hand finally that was sat down on, the bout was over essentially, so let's check that off also.

So basically, the KD round happened and disrupted Pavlik from going about like I said he would do, but he then regained control and did what my prediction told?:yep

I suppose I was all wrong then.

Anyway, I was rather surprised when Pavlik got KD'd, but that's a new reflection of his own chin in my opinion, he wouldn't be well suited to move up in weight against bigger punchers, because Taylor is not a big puncher.

amsterdam, have you ever been wrong?

[cross_trainer]

Good points. Bottom line, Taylor's many limitations and questionable chin were confirmed tonight. I personally would upgrade it from "suspect" to "Shaky."

And Pavlik might have to go on the "suspect" list.:yep

I believe this is what people in your field refer to as "selective distortion".

[psychopath]

I'll tell you what I was doing. I was screaming at my television asking Pavlik if he forgot his defense at home.

Still can't believe he caught all those punches flush in the second. :patsch Scares me should he ever get in the ring with Calzaghe.

Avtually it's not only in the second. Pav's got caught a lot in the other rounds . . . but amazingly he just brushed it off and continue with the pressure.

Obviously Taylor's power is not enough to really hurt him. :yep

[natep]

I don't see how Pavlik's chin is 'shaky' or 'suspect.' It took three or four good shots to put him on the canvas and the punches that Jermain fired were hard and Kelly did not see them coming. It's the punches that you don't see coming that really hurt.

[Fab2333]

:roflI remember you telling me it'd be over in the 7th :yep and that "Pavlik would get very frustrated from getting popped in the mouth with the jab all night"

:hey
lol well at least I got the round right, just picked the wrong guy:rofl . And it shoulda went the way I picked it, if JT used his damn brain when he is boxing 4 1nce. He was gettin me upset even in teh 2nd round when he had pavlik hurt. waisting punches and energy, I knew if he let him regain conteousness JT was gon b in for it. about the 5th round when Pavlik started closing the distance on him in the ring, I knew somethin bad was gonna happen jus didnt kno when. For the life of me JT would not keep his hands up, I dont kno where he got that habit from to think he is Roy Jones or somethin but he needs to lose that. His reflexes arent that great, and I cant seem to understand at wat point does he not realize that keeping his hands down is gettin him punched in the mouth. 2nd round this fight shoulda been over. JT had enough time 2 put him away, he didnt need to rush. Wat he need to realize when you have a guy legitimately hurt you dont need to run in and throw all ya bullets out ya guns at once. All he had to do was walk him down and continue to pop his jab in his face, if you keep gettin hit when your hurt its still gonna keep you dizzy no matter if its a jab or a str8. shoulda did that and tested his body couple times while he was still hurt, by then he coulda landed flush shots and took him out. But JT always wanna do things in haste and that always costs him. Kassim Ouma he tried to knock dude out from early, and after the 4th round he was gassed out. He needs to think when he is fighting. If JT doesnt bring his boxing IQ up he will always suffer, b/c he has the skill to beat Pavlik, and he should of, but if he keeps the same mind frame he has when he boxes he will always lose to Kelly everytime. It just amazes me that JT knows wat he does wrong after a fight, then comes back the next fight and do the xact same thing lol. Same thing he did with Kassim Ouma told larry he went out tryin 2 knock him out and waisted too much energy, next time ima just use my jab and take the KO if it comes 2 me. This fight he does the exact same s**t and in the end it cost him his belt a L on his record, and his damn pride, b/c that KO was brutal

[Lance_Uppercut]

First he shit his pants in the second, then came in his pants in the seventh.