Pavlik and Cotto most relentless fighters!!

[jlrivera81]

These 2 fighters dont have the flashiest skills or the best defenses. But damnit, they are both relentless as hell. They both have tremendous hearts along with their underrated skills. More importantly, they both can get off the canvas to KO their opponent. What more could you ask for out of a champion.

[maciek4]

They are masters of deforming the faces of their opponents. They look like this dude from The Goonies when they are done with them.

[AG11]

These 2 fighters dont have the flashiest skills or the best defenses. But damnit, they are both relentless as hell. They both have tremendous hearts along with their underrated skills. More importantly, they both can get off the canvas to KO their opponent. What more could you ask for out of a champion.

Definitely agree. Also it seems like a lot of people say after fighting them that they both have underrated handspeed.

[brooklyn1550]

Both have world-class toughness and hearts. Both are out to destroy you, but have multiple dimensions. With that said, I think Cotto is the better fighter of the two.

[jlrivera81]

What's even funnier is that after this fight for Pavlik, he may be labeled as "CHINNY" just like Cotto b/c he got dropped by Taylor. The people who say that wont care that he got up to KO taylor. they will go on and say that as soon as he fights someone with some power, he will get ko'd. Yada Yada Yada.

[punchdynamo]

Definitely agree. Also it seems like a lot of people say after fighting them that they both have underrated handspeed.

After seeing them as well. I don't know what it is, but to me, their punches just don't explode like other fighters. You see them come out, make contact and a make a small thud sound on the surround sound and then the guy is completely rocked.

[achillesthegreat]

Cotto is a much better fighter than Pavlik P4P but they are both relentless animals. It's not just physical tenacity, it is mental.

They have tunnel vision.

[PacDbest]

These 2 fighters dont have the flashiest skills or the best defenses. But damnit, they are both relentless as hell. They both have tremendous hearts along with their underrated skills. More importantly, they both can get off the canvas to KO their opponent. What more could you ask for out of a champion.

You can add Pac to this list. Pac, Cotto & Pavlik are all Top Rank fighters. This 3 are my Top P4P Exciting Fighters.

[Piedra]

These 2 fighters dont have the flashiest skills or the best defenses. But damnit, they are both relentless as hell. They both have tremendous hearts along with their underrated skills. More importantly, they both can get off the canvas to KO their opponent. What more could you ask for out of a champion.

And they are from Top Rank, Bob is doing a great job.

[Relentless]

no they are not me.

[jlrivera81]

LMAO relentless.

[carras]

Cotto is a second rate Trinidad wannabe. But dis White Man is fo' real.

:patsch:patsch

[Dorfmeister]

These 2 fighters dont have the flashiest skills or the best defenses. But damnit, they are both relentless as hell. They both have tremendous hearts along with their underrated skills. More importantly, they both can get off the canvas to KO their opponent. What more could you ask for out of a champion.

I assume you are not expressing your Deja Vu feelings about Nov 10 in MSG ( The Fast&Furious) based on Kelly's and Miguel's similarities in resilience, relentlesness and heart... Happens that Jermain was a sucker for a right cross and has mostly based his game on physicallity whereas Shane has much higher boxing IQ and is far more skilled than Jermain was, or else you also would say that Sam Peter will beat Wlad fo' sure... I understand that boxing in the 21st century has gone back somehow to those traits you spoke about ( throwbacks or whateva) - who can get up from knockdowns, show world class resilience and win it solely based on guts and straight-forward agressiveness - I would rather restate boxings fundamentals: Boxing is the art of hitting an opponent from the furthest distance away, exposing the least amount of your body while getting in position to punch with maximum leverage and not getting hit! Both Kelly, Ricky and Miguel fail to follow some laws of the game and they can never have the same success of men such as Floyd, Bernard and even Joe Calzaghe...

[Brickhaus]

You haven't watched enough Juan Diaz if you rate either Pavlik or Cotto ahead of him in the relentlessness department.

[jlrivera81]

Brichhaus, I agree with what you said about Juan Diaz.

To Dorfmeister, by saying that Cotto and Pavlik are relentless fighters is not taking away from their overall skills. Of course, they are not the best pure boxers out there like a Floyd, B-hop, or Calzaghe as you put it, but then again, how many people are.

I believe that Cotto's boxing skills are high underrated b/c of what people call a slow-plodding style. In fact, his style shows a great deal of skills. He is one of the best at cutting the ring off. He can switch from righty to lefty to adjust to his opponents. He is an excellent combination puncher. He is at the top of the business with his body work. The only true flaw he has is footspeed and mediocre defense. His hand speed is deceivingly fast. you can ask all of his opponents who thought he was slow before they fought him.

There are no perfect fighters out there. No one out there has the total package, not even floyd mayweather.

[Dorfmeister]

Brichhaus, I agree with what you said about Juan Diaz.

To Dorfmeister, by saying that Cotto and Pavlik are relentless fighters is not taking away from their overall skills. Of course, they are not the best pure boxers out there like a Floyd, B-hop, or Calzaghe as you put it, but then again, how many people are.

I believe that Cotto's boxing skills are high underrated b/c of what people call a slow-plodding style. In fact, his style shows a great deal of skills. He is one of the best at cutting the ring off. He can switch from righty to lefty to adjust to his opponents. He is an excellent combination puncher. He is at the top of the business with his body work. The only true flaw he has is footspeed and mediocre defense. His hand speed is deceivingly fast. you can ask all of his opponents who thought he was slow before they fought him.

There are no perfect fighters out there. No one out there has the total package, not even floyd mayweather.

Pavlik and Cotto have to follow some sort of boxing pattern and put a lot of heart and personal touch to it, who doesn't use some kind of model and develop their game throughout their pro careers nowadays? There are a lot of professional fighters out there who are essentially driven by their high level of technical skill and strategical expertize rather than on fighting heart and crude punching power alone, I would consider the former "pure" boxers ( Floyd, Bernard, Calzaghe, Guzman, Spinks, Mosley, Williams, Judah, Forrest, J.M. Marquez, Klitschko, et cetera) and the later "pure" punchers ( Cotto, Pavlik, Juan Diaz, Berto, Hatton, Cintron, Margarito, Barrera, Pacquiao, Darchynian, R. Marquez, I. Vazquez, Peter, et cetera ) but so do most others.

Cotto's boxing skills are definitely underrated but that's cause he always lets himself be driven by his physicallity than anything else, but he's slow getting off alright... Cutting the ring off is not what I could consider a great technical skill but rather a strategical benefit to his game just like Floyd's ring generalship is to his exceptional footwork, but Cotto has the feet coordination to make it ( retreating and circling against Abdullaev or persuing against Pinto)... I don't buy that one that he adjusts smoothly to his opponent and I feel the main reason he switches from conventional to southpaw stance is cause he knows he has punching power in both arms and may rest the left lead sometimes ( just like Iron Mike in the days), giving the impression he has a right jab and is ambidextrous ( like against Zab)... He's a very good combination puncher when he connects to the body and lets his punches fly and follow up to the head, that makes up a great deal for less than his impressive handspeed ( not deceivingly fast, I wouldn't put that way) ... Yes, he is the best body puncher out there no doubts about it, but quite too often, he goes straight to the body, leans his head down and opens up upstairs, that's what I consider the great flaw in that mediocre defense but as you pointed out, both he and Pavlik are willing to take to give in return... Most of his opponents have given up fighting him cause they couldn't take his physicallity and his punching power such as Bailey, Abdulaev, Branco and Urkal, the rest were waisted ( including Malignaggi) - In fact, the only fight I can remember of, in which Cotto fought cautiously and with a "pure" boxing approach was against Lovemore N'Dou cause this african guy was simply menacing at the time, no doubts Miguel will not be taking that approach next month, he will go "purely" for the kill and I believe he'll be out-punched, hurt and out-scored. Don't find any similarities whatsoever between Jermain and Shane but I'm interested to see where Miguel's strength and heart can take him in this situation, I have been surprised before...

[PH|LLA]

Pacquiao is the most relentless fighter its not even close

and he has the skills to boot

[Chiko_Tech]

Cotto is a second rate Trinidad wannabe. But dis White Man is fo' real.
Shut up white lover.

[booradley]

Pavlik is certainly relentless for the 6-8 rounds his fights last. I've seen Cotto go medeval and stay that way for 10 or 12 rounds. Kelly, who I like a lot, has not been tested anywhere near the way Cotto has. What Cotto IS Kelly is still trying to BECOME. I think he will, but only time will tell.

Boo