Whitaker vs Tszyu @ 140

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[salty trunks]

Whitaker would make Tszyu look silly.

[Mr Butt]

whitaker pulls tszyu shorts down and wins a ud

[China_hand_Joe]

Tszyu out boxes Sweet Pea.

No, non-pressure fighter is beating Tszyu.

[TommyV]

I don't see Tszyu having many advantages here. I don't think he's unpredictable enough to catch Whitaker off-guard, and I don't think he cuts the ring off well enough to shut him down, even if he did he's going to be bamboozled by Whitaker's upper body movement as many were. Pernell would just outjab him off the back foot and be too clever defensively to get caught with anything. If he comes inside into the pocket, I think Tszyu would have a hard time trying to shorten up his punches and I think Whitaker can land and move and reset himself to do the same things again. Whitaker UD, by at least 6 rounds.

[The Morlocks]

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No contest. Whitakre wouldn't even be touched in what would amount to him as little more than a sparring session.:smoke

[salty trunks]

Tszyu out boxes Sweet Pea.

No, non-pressure fighter is beating Tszyu.


You mean no pressure fighter is beating Pea?

Dont think Tszyu had enough in his arsenal to outbox Whitaker at 140.

[Xplosive]

You mean no pressure fighter is beating Pea?

Dont think Tszyu had enough in his arsenal to outbox Whitaker at 140.

I think this poor fellow has Sweet Pea confused with Mitchell, and Judah.

The thought of Tszyu outboxing Pea is comical.

[China_hand_Joe]

I rate Sweet Pea. Easily in my top 10 all time P4P list.

But he ain't beatin' Tsyzu.

[Boro chris]

I think this poor fellow has Sweet Pea confused with Mitchell, and Judah.

The thought of Tszyu outboxing Pea is comical.

Pea would certainly outbox KT with ease but people forget what a skilled boxer Tszyu was early in his career. He made Vernon Forrest look like a caveman when they were amatuers.

[salty trunks]

I rate Sweet Pea. Easily in my top 10 all time P4P list.

But he ain't beatin' Tsyzu.

Where do you rank Tsyzu?

Who has Tsyzu beaten even remotely close to Whitaker to make such a statement?

I like Tsyzu but I believe he is somewhat overated as a P4P fighter.

He was a strong fighter at 140 pounds, but suspect defense and little in the way of mobility.

I dont see how he could ever deal with the movement of Whitaker??

[Xplosive]

Pea would certainly outbox KT with ease but people forget what a skilled boxer Tszyu was early in his career. He made Vernon Forrest look like a caveman when they were amatuers.

Being the key word. Amateurs mean jack shit. Howard Davis beat Aaron Pryor as an amateur, and Mark Breland was one of the best amateurs of all time.

[Flea Man]

Sweet Pea's insistent jab and awesome movement keep Tszyu from getting set and throwing that monsterous right hand.

as Pea starts to mix in shots from his extensive arsenal, he bombards Tszyu with body shots wearing him down, showing he can mix it up in close.

Tszyu of course will land with shots; he was not a particularly limited fighter, and capabale of boxing himself, but I see no way Tszyu can get anything going against Sweet Pea.

Pea will get to Tszyu eventually, and beat him into submission, stopping him in around ten rounds I reckon. He's a better offensiive fighter than Phillips and Hatton combined IMO, and can put a beating on Tszyu on Kosta's best day.

[salty trunks]

Pea would certainly outbox KT with ease but people forget what a skilled boxer Tszyu was early in his career. He made Vernon Forrest look like a caveman when they were amatuers.

Ive heard this but never seen the actual fight. Vernon would have been very difficult to outbox as a pro so it would be nice to see what he brought to the table in that fight.

We didnt see too much outboxing from Tszyu as a pro. More flat footed cut off the ring overpowering type stuff.

[China_hand_Joe]

Where do you rank Tsyzu?

Who has Tsyzu beaten even remotely close to Whitaker to make such a statement?

I like Tsyzu but I believe he is somewhat overated as a P4P fighter.

He was a strong fighter at 140 pounds, but suspect defense and little in the way of mobility.

I dont see how he could ever deal with the movement of Whitaker??
If Chavez could have limited success with Sweet Pea movement Tszyu can too.

Tszyu's defence was world class, not on the level of Whitaker, but his timing and judgement of distance balances that out.

Extreme strength and explosiveness could trouble Tszyu (you had to hope he was having an off day break him down), aside from that I see Tszyu as being invincible in the ring, particularly against southpaws.

[Boro chris]

Ive heard this but never seen the actual fight. Vernon would have been very difficult to outbox as a pro so it would be nice to see what he brought to the table in that fight.

We didnt see too much outboxing from Tszyu as a pro. More flat footed cut off the ring overpowering type stuff.

Was on youtube. No idea if it still is.Masterfull stuff.

[salty trunks]

Was on youtube. No idea if it still is.Masterfull stuff.
Just watched it. Great stuff.

Amazing how a shorter guy can keep his opponent out of range just by taking a few steps in and then a few steps back out.

I will say the pro version of Forrest seemed to become a bit more patient and less wild for the most part.

Whitaker is still in another league than anything Tsyzu has ever seen.

[China_hand_Joe]

People seem to be acting as though Whitaker never lost a round his entire career.

Is Nelson could takes rounds, why cannot Tszyu?

Tszyu posses scary accuracy, scaring timing and at his best excellent punch selection.

[Thread Stealer]

Whitaker would probably spend more time moving laterally and on the backfoot then in the more aggressive manner in the pocket in which he fought the likes of McGirt, Paez, and Mayweather. Tszyu was very good at getting his right hand in against lefties, but obviously the likes of Mitchell, Rodriguez, and Judah were levels below Sweet Pea. He'd land some shots, but not enough. Whitaker had a pretty good chin, I was impressed with his toughness in taking that beating from Trinidad at the end of his career.

Whitaker would probably mix in some mauling tactics, as he was effective at coming in with that right shoulder and driving his opponents back, then hitting them with his left. Tszyu liked to control the pace and distance of fights and tactics like this would be good for Whitaker to use to mess up Tszyu's rhythm when he'd start having succcess.

All in all I think Whitaker wins a clear decision.

[lefthook31]

Whitaker would probably spend more time moving laterally and on the backfoot then in the more aggressive manner in the pocket in which he fought the likes of McGirt, Paez, and Mayweather. Tszyu was very good at getting his right hand in against lefties, but obviously the likes of Mitchell, Rodriguez, and Judah were levels below Sweet Pea. He'd land some shots, but not enough. Whitaker had a pretty good chin, I was impressed with his toughness in taking that beating from Trinidad at the end of his career.

Whitaker would probably mix in some mauling tactics, as he was effective at coming in with that right shoulder and driving his opponents back, then hitting them with his left. Tszyu liked to control the pace and distance of fights and tactics like this would be good for Whitaker to use to mess up Tszyu's rhythm when he'd start having succcess.

All in all I think Whitaker wins a clear decision.

This of course. He would turn and turn until Tsyzu got dizzy. Tsyzu was a pressure fighter but he also lost rounds against good movers and Whitaker could make himself invisible in close.
Tszyu is an underated technician, but he didnt have as diverse of a punch arsenal needed to beat Whitaker. Id say Whitaker wins a pretty onesided UD.

[Sayers]

I cant decide if Tsyzu is underrated or overrated at times, he is certainly a talented fighter, good power and sharp, accurate punching but he is a level below sweet pea. It is unfortunate that Tsyzu's strengths are mostly negated by Whitakers style. The precision of Kostyas punches are probably his most threatening attribute but he is still not landing many shots if Pernell decides to get on his bike and, although Tsyzu is a fine boxer this will be negated as Whitaker has the better jab. I can even see Whitaker giving him trouble on the inside, even if only for short bursts.

Advantage in movement and jab means that only one fighter can control this fight and would win a clear points victory, his only real chance of losing being if he doesnt keep busy and coasts and it costs him with the judges as it has before.

[Gesta]

Whitaker would probably spend more time moving laterally and on the backfoot then in the more aggressive manner in the pocket in which he fought the likes of McGirt, Paez, and Mayweather. Tszyu was very good at getting his right hand in against lefties, but obviously the likes of Mitchell, Rodriguez, and Judah were levels below Sweet Pea. He'd land some shots, but not enough. Whitaker had a pretty good chin, I was impressed with his toughness in taking that beating from Trinidad at the end of his career.

Whitaker would probably mix in some mauling tactics, as he was effective at coming in with that right shoulder and driving his opponents back, then hitting them with his left. Tszyu liked to control the pace and distance of fights and tactics like this would be good for Whitaker to use to mess up Tszyu's rhythm when he'd start having succcess.

All in all I think Whitaker wins a clear decision.

This looks to be the most likely.

[anarci]

I remember seeing Hector Lopez outbox Kostya Tszyu and getting the wrong end of the decision.

[China_hand_Joe]

I remember seeing Hector Lopez outbox Kostya Tszyu and getting the wrong end of the decision.

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A ten fight novice against a world class campaigner, with the novice doing enough to take the fight.

[anarci]

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A ten fight novice against a world class campaigner, with the novice doing enough to take the fight. :lol: Come on guy i saw the damn fight and clearly remember Lopez taking most of the early rounds and Tszyu coming on the end, why dont you show the whole fight? I thought Tszyu made it close in the end but Still thought Lopez won by 1 point. You have to show kostyas best moments so you can sound right:patsch:-( Im not the only one who thinks Lopez won ive heard a couple posters here who agree with me.
Tszyu was already world class by this time and Lopez would have even gave an experienced Tszyu problems.

You can also hear the crowd booing the decision and the announcers saying it was controversial in the last seconds before it went off.

[Gesta]

I remember seeing Hector Lopez outbox Kostya Tszyu and getting the wrong end of the decision.

Close fight, then Kostya won the last two rounds.

Kostya did win no dispute. Hector did spit the dummy tho', claiming that he was robbed.

[Boxed Ears]

I don't really see what would give Tszyu any edge anywhere on this. Not that I think it'd be impossible for prime Tszyu to beat 140-lb Pea but if they fought 100 times, I'd say Pea wins 85 or 95 of them. And yes, if Trinidad's performance didn't take Whitaker out at 147, Tszyu has very little shot at it at 140.

[China_hand_Joe]

:lol: Come on guy i saw the damn fight and clearly remember Lopez taking most of the early rounds and Tszyu coming on the end, why dont you show the whole fight? I thought Tszyu made it close in the end but Still thought Lopez won by 1 point. You have to show kostyas best moments so you can sound right:patsch:-( Im not the only one who thinks Lopez won ive heard a couple posters here who agree with me.
Tszyu was already world class by this time and Lopez would have even gave an experienced Tszyu problems.

You can also hear the crowd booing the decision and the announcers saying it was controversial in the last seconds before it went off.


Well that is the difference between Joe Calzaghe and the rest of the all time P4P top 10.When Calzaghe had an off day, he won a clear decision.

When Whitaker, Mayweather, Tszyu, Duran or whoever had an off day or injury they struggled and were capable of losing or a genuine close fight.

It is like you are critising Tszyu for not been as consistant as Joe Calzaghe, which is unfair. You might as well critise him for not being as handsome too.

[WhataRock]

:lol: Come on guy i saw the damn fight and clearly remember Lopez taking most of the early rounds and Tszyu coming on the end, why dont you show the whole fight? I thought Tszyu made it close in the end but Still thought Lopez won by 1 point. You have to show kostyas best moments so you can sound right:patsch:-( Im not the only one who thinks Lopez won ive heard a couple posters here who agree with me.
Tszyu was already world class by this time and Lopez would have even gave an experienced Tszyu problems.

You can also hear the crowd booing the decision and the announcers saying it was controversial in the last seconds before it went off.


This fight was on Aussie T.V just a few weeks ago and Ive seen it a couple of times.

Kostya had a lot of trouble no doubt...Hec was a tough hombre and had plenty of tricks.

The crowd booing is a little relevance though...They seemed to be pro-Hector all night.
I had Kostya the clear winner by 2 points because of his cleaner punching but he was certainly troubled all through out.
Kostya I think won the first two (maybe even 3) rounds from memory...He started fast and landed some wicked leather on Lopez but will little effect. I dont think Lopez really cleaned up early..it took a few rounds for him to come on and I feel he got the better of the midrounds.

[lefthook31]

:lol: Come on guy i saw the damn fight and clearly remember Lopez taking most of the early rounds and Tszyu coming on the end, why dont you show the whole fight? I thought Tszyu made it close in the end but Still thought Lopez won by 1 point. You have to show kostyas best moments so you can sound right:patsch:-( Im not the only one who thinks Lopez won ive heard a couple posters here who agree with me.
Tszyu was already world class by this time and Lopez would have even gave an experienced Tszyu problems.

You can also hear the crowd booing the decision and the announcers saying it was controversial in the last seconds before it went off.
That was one of those welcome to the pros gut check fights. Part of the process of making a young kid into a great fighter if he has the guts for it. Perhaps it was a little too soon or not expected but I dont think it tarnishes what his ability was. Tszyu seemed to step up rather quickly as a pro. Wonder who promoted and managed him?

[lefthook31]

Well that is the difference between Joe Calzaghe and the rest of the all time P4P top 10.When Calzaghe had an off day, he won a clear decision.

When Whitaker, Mayweather, Tszyu, Duran or whoever had an off day or injury they struggled and were capable of losing or a genuine close fight.

It is like you are critising Tszyu for not been as consistant as Joe Calzaghe, which is unfair. You might as well critise him for not being as handsome too.
Yeah but who was Calzahge having an off day against?? Calzahge was fighting guys with less credible experience when he was a champion. Forget about his 11th professional fight.

[ranser]

I rate Sweet Pea. Easily in my top 10 all time P4P list.

But he ain't beatin' Tsyzu.

how the fck does that make sense?

[lefthook31]

how the fck does that make sense?
Maybe he ranks Tsyzu higher? :blood

[China_hand_Joe]

Yeah but who was Calzahge having an off day against?? Calzahge was fighting guys with less credible experience when he was a champion. Forget about his 11th professional fight.

Bernard Hopkins, angry version of Robin Reid (probably of of the 10 best British fighters ever - Calzgahe injured his left again), Starie (absolutley dominated Clinton Wood), Ashira (one hand), and was hit by a lucky punch against Mitchell.

The only guy that comes close in the modern era is Roy Jones.

Hopkins is considered class, his off day was against Mercado. He only got away with a draw.

[China_hand_Joe]

Maybe he ranks Tsyzu higher? :blood

Or ranks them closely, but Tszyu has the style to do it.

[lefthook31]

Bernard Hopkins, angry version of Robin Reid (probably of of the 10 best British fighters ever - Calzgahe injured his left again), Starie (absolutley dominated Clinton Wood), Ashira (one hand), and was hit by a lucky punch against Mitchell.

The only guy that comes close in the modern era is Roy Jones.

Hopkins is considered class, his off day was against Mercado. He only got away with a draw.
Your comparing that to a young fighter in his 11th pro fight? Ill keep quiet on those fighters you mentioned.

[lefthook31]

Or ranks them closely, but Tszyu has the style to do it.
I think Tsyzu is also somewhat underated. He moved up fairly quickly as a pro but I dont think he had the skills to beat Whitaker. His style would match up badly in my opinion.

[Flea Man]

Robin Reid is nowhere near a top 20 British fighters list :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Robin Reid is nowhere near a top 20 British fighters list :lol:

Yes he is.

Did you see what he did to Froch before he got knocked out having being brutalised? You could see his class right there.

If he hadn't been completely shot and injured he'd have stopped Froch in the first half of the fight, landing right hands at will. Supremely talented fighter.

[flamengo]

I think Tsyzu is also somewhat underated. He moved up fairly quickly as a pro but I dont think he had the skills to beat Whitaker. His style would match up badly in my opinion.

Tszyu relished southpaws.. Never saw an orthodox fighter ever land so many perfect right hands to KO southpaw opponents.

Whitaker would end up getting 'cocky' in the later rounds and wind up KO'd.

[The Morlocks]

:lol: Come on guy i saw the damn fight and clearly remember Lopez taking most of the early rounds and Tszyu coming on the end, why dont you show the whole fight? I thought Tszyu made it close in the end but Still thought Lopez won by 1 point. You have to show kostyas best moments so you can sound right:patsch:-( Im not the only one who thinks Lopez won ive heard a couple posters here who agree with me.
Tszyu was already world class by this time and Lopez would have even gave an experienced Tszyu problems.

You can also hear the crowd booing the decision and the announcers saying it was controversial in the last seconds before it went off.
i thought tzyus lost also.:smoke

[The Morlocks]

Bernard Hopkins, angry version of Robin Reid (probably of of the 10 best British fighters ever - Calzgahe injured his left again), Starie (absolutley dominated Clinton Wood), Ashira (one hand), and was hit by a lucky punch against Mitchell.

The only guy that comes close in the modern era is Roy Jones.

Hopkins is considered class, his off day was against Mercado. He only got away with a draw.
you gotta be crazy to consider reid one of the 10 best brits ever. sure ingnorance of boxing history:smoke

[China_hand_Joe]

You classic forum guys would say Hector Lopez won, just because he is a 1980s fighter.

1980s fighter>1990s fighter by default.

[China_hand_Joe]

you gotta be crazy to consider reid one of the 10 best brits ever. sure ingnorance of boxing history:smoke


Name 10 better...

Calzaghe
Lewis
...erm
...and don't bother mentioning pre-war fighers like Wilde.

[Casamayor122]

Whitaker is by far the most overrated fighter on ESB. Don't get me wrong he was a great fighter but the reality is different from the "vision" most have of him as some kind of unbeatable boxer.
Watch the first McGirt fight.
Watch the Hurtado fight. Hurtado knocked him down 5 times.
Watch the Roger Mayweather fight.
Watch the Pendleton fight.
etc.

Slick defensive fighters were Tszyu's bread and butter.
Sharmba (who gets too much stick lately) was a very slick fighter. Even Mayweather had trouble punching him in the head as he said in the post-fight interview. And that was a shot 36 year old version. Tszyu hit him with ease. Tszyu had great timing.

If he goes in ultra defensive Whitaker would probably win but to think that he would embarrass Tszyu is ludicrous. If he tries to brawl, like he did in some of his fights, he loses.

[flamengo]

Whitaker is by far the most overrated fighter on ESB. Don't get me wrong he was a great fighter but the reality is different from the "vision" most have of him as some kind of unbeatable boxer.
Watch the first McGirt fight.
Watch the Hurtado fight. Hurtado knocked him down 5 times.
Watch the Roger Mayweather fight.
Watch the Pendleton fight.
etc.

Slick defensive fighters were Tszyu's bread and butter.
Sharmba (who gets too much stick lately) was a very slick fighter. Even Mayweather had trouble punching him in the head as he said in the post-fight interview. And that was a shot 36 year old version. Tszyu hit him with ease. Tszyu had great timing.

If he goes in ultra defensive Whitaker would probably win but to think that he would embarrass Tszyu is ludicrous. If he tries to brawl, like he did in some of his fights, he loses.


Bingo :good

[lefthook31]

Whitaker is by far the most overrated fighter on ESB. Don't get me wrong he was a great fighter but the reality is different from the "vision" most have of him as some kind of unbeatable boxer.
Watch the first McGirt fight.
Watch the Hurtado fight. Hurtado knocked him down 5 times.
Watch the Roger Mayweather fight.
Watch the Pendleton fight.
etc.

Slick defensive fighters were Tszyu's bread and butter.
Sharmba (who gets too much stick lately) was a very slick fighter. Even Mayweather had trouble punching him in the head as he said in the post-fight interview. And that was a shot 36 year old version. Tszyu hit him with ease. Tszyu had great timing.

If he goes in ultra defensive Whitaker would probably win but to think that he would embarrass Tszyu is ludicrous. If he tries to brawl, like he did in some of his fights, he loses.
I think its pretty easy to assume he would take less chances against a puncher like Tszyu. Also Mitchell was more of a boxer mover than a slickster. Whitaker could be slick in close which is far harder for a guy with Tsyzus style of stalking setting and punching to land on as opposed to Mitchell who liked to move and box from the outside.

BTW by the Hurtado fight Whitaker was done

[The Morlocks]

Name 10 better...

Calzaghe
Lewis
...erm
...and don't bother mentioning pre-war fighers like Wilde.

why not? they were better. or do yojust know nothing about them and obviously by prewar you mean pre desert-storm:happy

[China_hand_Joe]

Have you ever seen Wilde fight mate? He crosses his legs over each other and everything when he moves forwards, then after taking steps back his legs end up together. Technique barely existed back then.

It maybe wasn't his fault he lived in an era of no knowledge.

I believe I could outbox Jimmy Wilde over 4 rounds, as could many people on this forum, given they have technique and size on their side. Admittedly he appears to have a little power, but things really were that bad back then.

[Mr Butt]

robin reid in the top ten of brit fighters :nut

[Cobra33]

Never saw KT have prob;ems with southpaws.Zab was quick and slick and lasted 2 rounds.
Pea would win some early rounds but eventually KT times him and he gets knocked out.Remember how much trouble Mayweather had Pea when he finally landed-KT is a better finisher then Mayweather was.

[The Wanderer]

Whitaker is by far the most overrated fighter on ESB. Don't get me wrong he was a great fighter but the reality is different from the "vision" most have of him as some kind of unbeatable boxer.

Watch the Hurtado fight. Hurtado knocked him down 5 times.
Watch the Roger Mayweather fight.
etc.

Um... are you sure you want to use those two as examples? Against Mayweather Whitaker was about 10 fights into his career while Mayweather was an experienced fighter in between his two championship reigns. And Sweet Pea knocked him down and almost out in the first round and dominated virtually all of the fight. Yeah, Roger knocked Pea down once, after Whitaker had thoroughly clowned him and pulled down his trunks in the middle of the ring, but that was about the only big moment Roger had in the fight. (And Pea did it with an injured hand).

As for the Hurtado fight, Whitaker was coming towards the end of his career and was permanently high, so much so that fights of his were being thrown out left and right because he was testing positive on drug tests. And he still knocked Hurtado the fuck out.

[The Wanderer]

Never saw KT have prob;ems with southpaws.Zab was quick and slick and lasted 2 rounds.
Pea would win some early rounds but eventually KT times him and he gets knocked out.Remember how much trouble Mayweather had Pea when he finally landed-KT is a better finisher then Mayweather was.

Pea was taking the fight to Mayweather 30 seconds later, even after Mayweather also hit Pea when he was down.

[sweet_scientist]

Tszyu will time Whitaker and hit him flush. And Whitaker will take it. And he'll win the fight.

We're talking about a guy that has proven he can take power shots. Even with a broken jaw. Even past his prime. Even whilst fresh out of rehab.

We aren't talking here about Sharmba Mitchell or Zab frikken Judah.

[anarci]

You classic forum guys would say Hector Lopez won, just because he is a 1980s fighter.

1980s fighter>1990s fighter by default.
Has nothing to do with it,i saw the fight when it happened and I had Lopez. In fact i havent seen the fight since. Lopez was a 90s fighter too he started in the 80s but went to the Joint for a few years, returned in the 90s where he had even more fights than his first career at Featherweight.

[anarci]

Never saw KT have prob;ems with southpaws.Zab was quick and slick and lasted 2 rounds.
Pea would win some early rounds but eventually KT times him and he gets knocked out.Remember how much trouble Mayweather had Pea when he finally landed-KT is a better finisher then Mayweather was. I dont understand why people bring up the Mayweather fight Pernell was in his 12th fight and still won convincingly despite suffering a flash knockdown.

If you want to bring that up like i posted earlier we can talk about Tszyu being very lucky to get the nod over Hector Lopez when he was first coming up.

[sweet_scientist]

I dont understand why people bring up the Mayweather fight Pernell was in his 12th fight and still won convincingly despite suffering a flash knockdown.

If you want to bring that up like i posted earlier we can talk about Tszyu being very lucky to get the nod over Hector Lopez when he was first coming up.

Or we could mention that he couldn't even knock out a washed up uncle Rog.

[anarci]

Or we could mention that he couldn't even knock out a washed up uncle Rog. Right i explained that to someone yesterday that thought Tszyu was better than Chavez at 140.

[Boxed Ears]

I think its pretty easy to assume he would take less chances against a puncher like Tszyu. Also Mitchell was more of a boxer mover than a slickster. Whitaker could be slick in close which is far harder for a guy with Tsyzus style of stalking setting and punching to land on as opposed to Mitchell who liked to move and box from the outside.

BTW by the Hurtado fight Whitaker was done


That made that win very weighty, in my opinion. He was so off his best and sucked it up, and muscled through it like a truly great fighter can.

[lefthook31]

That made that win very weighty, in my opinion. He was so off his best and sucked it up, and muscled through it like a truly great fighter can.
Agreed. It was interesting to see Whitaker who was never a big puncher forced to stand and fight a little more when his reflexes started failing him.

[lefthook31]

Right i explained that to someone yesterday that thought Tszyu was better than Chavez at 140.
Its a different circumstance. If your talking about the best Tsyzu at 140 against Chavez at 140 and you have two guys coming forward at each other who is going to have the advantage?? Styles make fights not to mention you have one guy who was fighting out of his best weight class.
If you want to use the Tsyzu of his 10 or 15th professional fight thats a different animal. How many fighters were brought along as quickly as Tsyzu? He moved up quickly but he also developed into a better professional fighter through experience wouldnt you say?

[Axl_Nose]

Whitaker would have no problem beating Tzsyu on points, he's too savvy, he's got way too much skill to be caught by Tzsyu's right hand, Sweet-Pea would put on a clinic ..

The real question is how would Pernell get on against, guys like Aaron Pryor, Don Curry, Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns .. Tzsyu was subtle great boxer with a great right hand but Vince Phillips took the right hand and did some damage .. For me Pryor, Curry, Hearns and Duran are more likely to pose questions to Whitaker than Tzsyu ..

[Bill Butcher]

Whitaker would make Tszyu look silly.

No he wouldnt, Tszyu was a very good fighter but Whitaker was a superior boxer & would win a clear UD without contraversy.

Next.

[Bill Butcher]

Tszyu out boxes Sweet Pea.

No, non-pressure fighter is beating Tszyu.

This aint a comedy forum son :good

[Bill Butcher]

I don't see Tszyu having many advantages here. I don't think he's unpredictable enough to catch Whitaker off-guard, and I don't think he cuts the ring off well enough to shut him down, even if he did he's going to be bamboozled by Whitaker's upper body movement as many were. Pernell would just outjab him off the back foot and be too clever defensively to get caught with anything. If he comes inside into the pocket, I think Tszyu would have a hard time trying to shorten up his punches and I think Whitaker can land and move and reset himself to do the same things again. Whitaker UD, by at least 6 rounds.

I feel the same.