Say Paul Smith wins the Contender What chance do you give him Vs Pavlik?

[brown bomber]

Personally I think Pavlik is massively beatable and will not hold onto that title long. This might seem like a silly post, but you know how big the contender is in the US and with genuine world class fighters competing should Paul win it he may get a shot at the title and if he did I'd give him a chance.

[stuey]

not sure why you dont like pavlik?
showed a huge heart, bigpunch, great stamina, terrific finishing.
i cant think of too many middles who beat him right now, certainly not smith...

perhaps a puncher such as abraham might give him problems...

[lsg]

Jeff, I'm not saying he'd win right now but trust me, Paul Smith at 11st 6lbs would put over pretty much anybody he hits clean on the chin. Time is on his side Jeff and I don't think jumping up that far straight away will be the way he goes about it. Still , if the phone rings and there is $1m on the other end, who would turn that down ?????

Did you notice when they were doing those tests that Paul was the hardest puncher? Don't forget Paul is a middleweight competing in a super middleweight tournament out there and he banged harder than any of them.

Trust me on the power thing, he can really whack:bbb

[rooq]

if paul smith manages to get through to the semi's and then beat the likes of bika, coddrington or soliman then i think he'll justifiably be a top ten contender.

but until i see him in the ring with someone at that level its hard to say.

[Nemesis]

if paul smith manages to get through to the semi's and then beat the likes of bika, coddrington or soliman then i think he'll justifiably be a top ten contender.

but until i see him in the ring with someone at that level its hard to say.

Soliman is past it, so if he fought him, I would fancy him to win, but if he fights Bika or Codrington, then he loses IMO.

BTW saw smith in the city centre last tuesday, pigging out on one of those portable burger bars :patsch

[achillesthegreat]

Pavlik is a bigger, stronger, more powerful, more durable Paul Smith. They fight very similar. Paul Smith would not beat Pavlik.

[lsg]

Jesus Nemesis !!!! Can't the guy have a burger without you snooping on him and scornfully reporting it on here. You should work for the dole lad:nono

[Vantage_West]

Jeff, I'm not saying he'd win right now but trust me, Paul Smith at 11st 6lbs would put over pretty much anybody he hits clean on the chin. Time is on his side Jeff and I don't think jumping up that far straight away will be the way he goes about it. Still , if the phone rings and there is $1m on the other end, who would turn that down ?????

Did you notice when they were doing those tests that Paul was the hardest puncher? Don't forget Paul is a middleweight competing in a super middleweight tournament out there and he banged harder than any of them.

Trust me on the power thing, he can really whack:bbbthey did this on joe frazier and julian jackson and niether had the statistical power to ko anyone...yet they did.

i personally think he can do alot of damge at middlewieght but he is only a prospect and to win the contender then some intercontinental belts then i will believ e that he can ko him.

[lsg]

I agree entirely. Punching is a combo of strength , technique and timing but is something I believe you are born with. Power can be increased with coaching but only by a percentage. Paul can bang ...... HARD!

[Nemesis]

Jesus Nemesis !!!! Can't the guy have a burger without you snooping on him and scornfully reporting it on here. You should work for the dole lad:nono

Relax. I was only making a point

I guess you must support the scum

[The taff]

Pavlik is a bigger, stronger, more powerful, more durable Paul Smith. They fight very similar. Paul Smith would not beat Pavlik.

Agreed

[Max Molyneux]

Soliman is past it, so if he fought him, I would fancy him to win, but if he fights Bika or Codrington, then he loses IMO.

BTW saw smith in the city centre last tuesday, pigging out on one of those portable burger bars :patsch
Would never trust some of those portable burger places.:shock:

As for Smith I can definately see him winning a British title at least.

[BigEars]

Did you notice when they were doing those tests that Paul was the hardest puncher? Don't forget Paul is a middleweight competing in a super middleweight tournament out there and he banged harder than any of them.

Trust me on the power thing, he can really whack:bbb

Actually according to those tests Max Alexander was the hardest puncher , a guy with 2 stoppages in 14 wins........so there goes the accuracy of those tests out the window .

Wasn't Paul dropped twice(and heavily) by Conroy McIntosh , imagine what would happen if Pavlik hit him .

[NOrth]

Smiths chances, somewhere between Slim, and none. Soliman and Bikka would both beat him with (relative) ease. Codrington looks like he can dig too, even though he's an arse. Smiths untested, so to compare him with the man that beat THE MAN I think its a little too soon. I hope Im wrong, so very wrong as I'd like to see nothing more (not literally) than Paul prove me wrong and rip his way throughthe world scene.

Answer me this, how many of you, pre contender, would put Smith ahead of froch?

[achillesthegreat]

Actually according to those tests Max Alexander was the hardest puncher , a guy with 2 stoppages in 14 wins........so there goes the accuracy of those tests out the window .

Wasn't Paul dropped twice(and heavily) by Conroy McIntosh , imagine what would happen if Pavlik hit him .
I swear Paul Smith won the power test.

[mmickyward]

i too think pavlik is very beatable by someone who has a good technique and sound defence.It was a matter of time before taylor with his left hand by his waist was going to be chinned

as for paul smiths chances like you guys say we need to see him fight the likes of bika and soliman before we can discuss him fighting for a world title

[boxfan99]

I swear Paul Smith won the power test.

Don't swear on something you are not sure about.;) Smith actually had about the lowest average punch power of the guys that went through, and a couple of guys also had higher max punch power (Max had the highest). If you don't believe me then check out the bios for yourselves:

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Regarding Smith reaching the final... I don't want to spoil it for you.

[NOrth]

Im confused. First I heard the final was X vs X , then I ehard even in the US you guys are only 4 fights in? So which is it?

[Max Molyneux]

Smiths chances, somewhere between Slim, and none. Soliman and Bikka would both beat him with (relative) ease. Codrington looks like he can dig too, even though he's an arse. Smiths untested, so to compare him with the man that beat THE MAN I think its a little too soon. I hope Im wrong, so very wrong as I'd like to see nothing more (not literally) than Paul prove me wrong and rip his way throughthe world scene.

Answer me this, how many of you, pre contender, would put Smith ahead of froch?

Smith might do well though because of the Contenders system of 5 rounds and activity though. The lack of rounds suit Soliman but not Bika.

[NOrth]

I didnt think Bikka was too slow a starter?!?

[achillesthegreat]

Don't swear on something you are not sure about.;) Smith actually had about the lowest average punch power of the guys that went through, and a couple of guys also had higher max punch power (Max had the highest). If you don't believe me then check out the bios for yourselves:

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Regarding Smith reaching the final... I don't want to spoil it for you.
I'm British. When I say I swear it doesn't mean I am actually swearing. It is as if I said 'Didn't Paul Smith win the power test'.

[moff123]

I swear Paul Smith won the power test.he did

[rydersonthestorm]

Well you get people asking if pavlik would beat hagler now so it's no less silly than that.

[Big Ears]

he did

..........you say that after it's been proven he didn't .

[rydersonthestorm]

lol

[brown bomber]

yes, no less silly, but silly nonetheless. The idea of someone getting a title shot based on winning the contender! How silly of me coz that would never happen would it?!! Have a word with yourself Contender has upped the quality of the 'contenders' and there is no question that the winner of the show will need to be world class. So the end product of contender is a name fighter whom will be proven world class and whom HBO or whoever will be able to fast track into a title fight. Given that Smith is a middleweight i'm pretty sure he won't be competing at super middle at the end of te competition..... So whats so silly about him being able to beat Pavlik who is a very average boxer with a outstanding punch should he win the competition.

[boxfan99]

Im confused. First I heard the final was X vs X , then I ehard even in the US you guys are only 4 fights in? So which is it?

Let me just say, I think it is the right/best two guys who are in the final.

[rydersonthestorm]

Contender to world title shot staright away seems unrealistic, and whent he contender gets beat it would do nothing but make the show look bad.

[brown bomber]

Contender to world title shot staright away seems unrealistic, and whent he contender gets beat it would do nothing but make the show look bad. Manfredo didn't even win the contender and got a world title shot against P4P one of the best fighters in the world based pretty much solely on his popularity on the back of that show.

[brown bomber]

because he's not ready mate thats why, as I've said before, with the right management Paul Smith could get to the top, and the right management would insist on a good few more fights before a world title shot, PLUS Smith has always said he wants to win The British Championship & defend it 3 times to win it outright 'the proper way' as he put it, so he seems to have his head screwed on.

by the way, calling Pavlik a 'very average' boxer is way off the mark, he's much better than that.

Give Paul some time eh, he'd be the first to admit he's not world championship class yet. I'm not saying its the ideal career path for him but it could in thoery happen. Contender winners become household names and sell PPV buys in america which is all the TV companies think about. Its not like pairing Kevin Mitchell with Manny Pacquiao and for me Pavlik is an average boxer- extremely brave and likable but skill wise he's limited. It doesn't mean i'm saying he's garbage because his power, size and toughness are big assets but he's going to find himself outboxed in most of his fights against the best fighters in the division.

[rydersonthestorm]

I'm pretty sure he had three fights in between losing on the contender and fighting calzaghe, so smith going straight to fight pavlik is no realistic.

[brown bomber]

I'm pretty sure he had three fights in between losing on the contender and fighting calzaghe, so smith going straight to fight pavlik is no realistic. Do you think he would have been given a title shot had he lost to sergio mora and beaten a washed up Scott Pemberton and Joe Spina without been on the contender?

[rydersonthestorm]

Obviously he wouldn't have but that wasn't what was asked, it was would smith get a shot at pavlik by winning the contender, to this i say no. If he won the contender then beat a couple of mid ranked guys he might get a shot based on his name. Also manfredo is american and is the so called all-american guy with the brawling style alot of them seem to like which also helps is cause. If english smith wins the contender he wouldn't have the same fanbase, note why is mora the winner only just fighting ouma if the contender gets you a title shit.

[rydersonthestorm]

lol

[brown bomber]

title shit

hehe! lol

[brown bomber]

Obviously he wouldn't have but that wasn't what was asked, it was would smith get a shot at pavlik by winning the contender, to this i say no. If he won the contender then beat a couple of mid ranked guys he might get a shot based on his name. Also manfredo is american and is the so called all-american guy with the brawling style alot of them seem to like which also helps is cause. If english smith wins the contender he wouldn't have the same fanbase, note why is mora the winner only just fighting ouma if the contender gets you a title shit. Fair points- :think

[rydersonthestorm]

To be fair i hope pavlik gets to fight calzaghe after he beats kessler and then that will shut the loons up, people are now saying pavlik can beat prime hagler, this is getting stupid.

[brown bomber]

To be fair i hope pavlik gets to fight calzaghe after he beats kessler and then that will shut the loons up, people are now saying pavlik can beat prime hagler, this is getting stupid. lol

[Max Molyneux]

Let me just say, I think it is the right/best two guys who are in the final.

Codrington vs Soliman?

Smith posts on boxrec but all he says Is he's home In Liverpool now.

[boxfan99]

Codrington vs Soliman?

Smith posts on boxrec but all he says Is he's home In Liverpool now.

If you want to know then I can PM you, but considering you post on boxrec I'm surprised you haven't found out yourself.

[Nemesis]

If you want to know then I can PM you, but considering you post on boxrec I'm surprised you haven't found out yourself.

Yeh, stop hinting who is in the final, You've basically already hinted that's its gonna be Codrington vs Bika

[rooq]

its really annoying that its being shown on ESPN a few weeks earlier than ITV. also, i think the semis and finals should be live or at least shown within a day of the actual fight to prevent "leaks".

[boxfan99]

Yeh, stop hinting who is in the final, You've basically already hinted that's its gonna be Codrington vs Bika

How have I done that? All I've said is that the two best boxers in my opinion are in the final. If that is Codrington and Bika in your opinion then fine, perhaps that is not my opinion.

[boxfan99]

its really annoying that its being shown on ESPN a few weeks earlier than ITV. also, i think the semis and finals should be live or at least shown within a day of the actual fight to prevent "leaks".

I totally agree.:good

[Max Molyneux]

If you want to know then I can PM you, but considering you post on boxrec I'm surprised you haven't found out yourself.

Not seen any threads on boxrec.

Pm away.:D

[Big Ears]

I must be missing something here, if the final is already happening does this mean that Paul Smith has lost a bout?

The confusion is hurting me! ouch!

Most years that would be the case but this year it seems that it's possible to have won and not go through . That's if your win was less conclusive than other peoples wins ,

[rooq]

I'm still not getting all this, does this mean the final is already set?

If so this would have to mean Smith was cut or beaten

has this happened?

don't know. i'd just ignore everyone and watch the show for yourself..thats all i'm doing

[smigga]

BTW saw smith in the city centre last tuesday, pigging out on one of those portable burger bars :patsch

Not that there's anythin wrong with eatin a burger, or from a burger van....

But this is a total lie. Sad really, next time just say hi instead of lying to your t'internet buddies:thumbsup :patsch :roll:


By the way, bit of a silly thread really innit.... I am the first to know and admit my level. Hopefully my top level is still unknown, but my current level is nowhere near that of Kelly Pavlik's, who performed amazingly last week.

I want those titles he has, but there's a British title to be won first.

PS, on The Contender front. The finals haven't been fought yet, and for the 'Smith's home so he must have got beat' brigade, we have all been home now for 6 weeks:good

Great forum by the way, good to be back online



All the best,


PSJ

[Jack]

Not that there's anythin wrong with eatin a burger, or from a burger van....

But this is a total lie. Sad really, next time just say hi instead of lying to your t'internet buddies:thumbsup :patsch :roll:


By the way, bit of a silly thread really innit.... I am the first to know and admit my level. Hopefully my top level is still unknown, but my current level is nowhere near that of Kelly Pavlik's, who performed amazingly last week.

I want those titles he has, but there's a British title to be won first.

PS, on The Contender front. The finals haven't been fought yet, and for the 'Smith's home so he must have got beat' brigade, we have all been home now for 6 weeks:good

Great forum by the way, good to be back online



All the best,


PSJ
You're Paul Smith?!

That's awesome. My brother is a massive fan of yours :good

Good luck with your career, mate.

[italian dragon]

if paul smith manages to get through to the semi's and then beat the likes of bika, coddrington or soliman then i think he'll justifiably be a top ten contender.

but until i see him in the ring with someone at that level its hard to say.

I'm not knocking Paul Smith by any means

But it takes a lot more than a big punch.

The Aussies have a fighter Victor Oganov who would no doubt punch harder than Paul.

He is pretty much regarded as the hardest punching S/Middle in the business.

26 fights for 26 Ko's until the first time he stepped it up and had his ass handed to him on a plate.:good


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[italian dragon]

Not that there's anythin wrong with eatin a burger, or from a burger van....

But this is a total lie. Sad really, next time just say hi instead of lying to your t'internet buddies:thumbsup :patsch :roll:


By the way, bit of a silly thread really innit.... I am the first to know and admit my level. Hopefully my top level is still unknown, but my current level is nowhere near that of Kelly Pavlik's, who performed amazingly last week.

I want those titles he has, but there's a British title to be won first.

PS, on The Contender front. The finals haven't been fought yet, and for the 'Smith's home so he must have got beat' brigade, we have all been home now for 6 weeks:good

Great forum by the way, good to be back online



All the best,


PSJ

It's great to hear a boxer give an honest appraisal of his own ability and possible future ambitions.:happy :happy :happy

It makes a refreshing change.:yep

I truly wish you well in your career in the toughest sport of all!:good

[brown bomber]

It's great to hear a boxer give an honest appraisal of his own ability and possible future ambitions.:happy :happy :happy

It makes a refreshing change.:yep

I truly wish you well in your career in the toughest sport of all!:good Agreed. Well done Paul and I think your future does belong in world class and at middleweight.

[Max Molyneux]

Not that there's anythin wrong with eatin a burger, or from a burger van....

There Isn't but Chippy's are better.:thumbsup

[Nemesis]

Not that there's anythin wrong with eatin a burger, or from a burger van....

But this is a total lie. Sad really, next time just say hi instead of lying to your t'internet buddies:thumbsup :patsch :roll:



Relax, I was only saying it as a joke, I saw you standing by one of them in Williamson sq, guilty by association I suppose.

anyways, out of curiosity who is your promoter, is it ****** or are you tied to "the contender"?

[achillesthegreat]

"I'd rather look like Butterbean and punch like Tyson"
- Paul Smith

[Max Molyneux]

Relax, I was only saying it as a joke, I saw you standing by one of them in Williamson sq, guilty by association I suppose.

anyways, out of curiosity who is your promoter, is it ****** or are you tied to "the contender"?

Didn't alot of Graham trained fighters leave Graham so they could still be promoted by ******?

[Nemesis]

Didn't alot of Graham trained fighters leave Graham so they could still be promoted by ******?

not sure, Max. :huh

[Max Molyneux]

Sure Smigga used to train with Graham though then suddenly Graham only trains the Hattons and Macklin.

[smigga]

Relax, I was only saying it as a joke, I saw you standing by one of them in Williamson sq, guilty by association I suppose.

anyways, out of curiosity who is your promoter, is it ****** or are you tied to "the contender"?


Oh so I wasn't Piggin Out then?:think :roll:

Frank W is my manager and I'm joint promotion with Tournament of Contenders and Sports Network

[achillesthegreat]

Oh so I wasn't Piggin Out then?:think :roll:

Frank W is my manager and I'm joint promotion with Tournament of Contenders and Sports Network
Smithy?
Say it isn't so.

[Nemesis]

Frank W is my manager and I'm joint promotion with Tournament of Contenders and Sports Network

That sounds complicated, after the contender is there any fights in the pipeline?

[TIGEREDGE]

Fitness Tests Don't Mean A Thing. It Doesn't Mean A Guy Has The Skills Required To Suceed In The Ring

[TIGEREDGE]

smith has the potential to be better boxer than pav. but i would not recomend a fight yet

[smigga]

Fitness Tests Don't Mean A Thing. It Doesn't Mean A Guy Has The Skills Required To Suceed In The Ring

No one is saying that. I am not anyway. I was asked to punch a sensor in a bag 6 times with power shots. I did as I was asked for the show

[TIGEREDGE]

No one is saying that. I am not anyway. I was asked to punch a sensor in a bag 6 times with power shots. I did as I was asked for the show

a few people on this board and in the boxing world, use it as an indication of who the better man was. I thought you was the man to win it. you just never got the luck needed to win a comp of that nature

You were the best boxer to go on the show ever in my opinion. No Joke or Ass licking. Here is my proof:

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[rooq]

a few people on this board and in the boxing world, use it as an indication of who the better man was. I thought you was the man to win it. you just never got the luck needed to win a comp of that nature

You were the best boxer to go on the show ever in my opinion. No Joke or Ass licking.

a lot of people haven't seen the show yet. cheers.

[boxfan99]

a few people on this board and in the boxing world, use it as an indication of who the better man was. I thought you was the man to win it. you just never got the luck needed to win a comp of that nature

You were the best boxer to go on the show ever in my opinion. No Joke or Ass licking.

I disagree, I can't see how he would beat Bika or Codrington, but he is better than Johnson in my opinion. I think Smith is better of in MW, but that is of course just my opinion.

[rooq]

Sure Smigga used to train with Graham though then suddenly Graham only trains the Hattons and Macklin.

smigga vs macklin would be a good fight in the future!

[achillesthegreat]

smigga vs macklin would be a good fight in the future!
What a war that would be. Macklin appears tenacious, relentless, impeteous, unstoppable and a beast. Paulie looks a bit more refined. He actually has a defence, he'll pace himself, time his shots, work a jab etc

[Danny Ocean]

unlucky smithy

[Max Molyneux]

The contenders fucking bullshit, he won but gets eliminated. He gained some good experience obviously though.

The Uk team were screwed In the UK Vs US one as well.

[rooq]

The contenders fucking bullshit, he won but gets eliminated. He gained some good experience obviously though.

The Uk team were screwed In the UK Vs US one as well.

they should have kept all 16 contestants and had 8 fights, with 2 fights per show.

i wasn't going to talk about what happened as they haven't shown this on itv yet and not everyone is downloading, but i think things could have turned out much differently if he'd fought earlier.

[Max Molyneux]

They chose people who couldn't even make the weight and were as high as 190 odd pounds!:shock:

[TIGEREDGE]

The contenders fucking bullshit, he won but gets eliminated. He gained some good experience obviously though.

The Uk team were screwed In the UK Vs US one as well.

absolutely spot ON. the two best boxers in the tournament could fight and produce a classic and still go out. FUCKING ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT

[TIGEREDGE]

I disagree, I can't see how he would beat Bika or Codrington, but he is better than Johnson in my opinion. I think Smith is better of in MW, but that is of course just my opinion.

HE WOULD DSTROY CODRINGTON. HE WOULD BEAT BIKA BUT IT WOULD BE HARD

[achillesthegreat]

I just watched Smigga v Banks. Nice.

[hitman_hatton1]

he won and he's out. :huh

WTF. :roll:

only in america. :yep

shite way of doing it.

u win ya go thru.

simple as. :bart

[GazOC]

They've fucked up this series which is a shame because it had the best standard of boxers in it

[Big Ears]

I would of preffered to have seen the 4th and 5th boxers fight to go through .
They couldn't put all 16 through as some weighed too much(Santiago first came in at 197lbs) and some were dreadfully out of shape(Rubin Williams) .

Paul suffered a cut anyway which rendered him unable to fight so it wouldn't of mattered if it was structured differently .

Well done Smigga anyway , exposure in America , a win over a good opponent and plenty of experience gained will all surely help you in the future .

[GazOC]

At the end of the day he's had the exposure and is still undefeated.

[boxfan99]

HE WOULD DSTROY CODRINGTON. HE WOULD BEAT BIKA BUT IT WOULD BE HARD

There is no reason to yell. Try to press Caps Lock.;)

Regarding the content of your post, I can only say that I disagree, I don't think Smith will handle the punches from the stronger 168'ers that well just look at how Banks quickly seemed to gain his respect, and Banks is definately not a KO-puncher at 168. I still think he is best of at 160. And before somebody starts claiming that there is no real difference in strength between 160 and 168, I'll just say, look at how Soliman did at top level at 160 and then compare it to how he got butchered at top level at 168.

[boxfan99]

he won and he's out. :huh

WTF. :roll:

only in america. :yep

shite way of doing it.

u win ya go thru.

simple as. :bart

I totally agree, but we all knew that only four guys would advance this season. They should have kept all 16 guys to begin with except maybe Santiago who weighed 198 pounds if I recall correctly.

[TIGEREDGE]

There is no reason to yell. Try to press Caps Lock.;)

Regarding the content of your post, I can only say that I disagree, I don't think Smith will handle the punches from the stronger 168'ers that well just look at how Banks quickly seemed to gain his respect, and Banks is definately not a KO-puncher at 168. I still think he is best of at 160. And before somebody starts claiming that there is no real difference in strength between 160 and 168, I'll just say, look at how Soliman did at top level at 160 and then compare it to how he got butchered at top level at 168.

banks caught smith off balance. he never really hurt him

[boxfan99]

banks caught smith off balance. he never really hurt him

I didn't say that he hurt him, I said that he gained his respect, meaning that Smith felt it and became more cautious.;) Just face it Smith is not a natural SMW, there is a(nother) reason why there are different weight classes (beside giving the sanctioning bodies more title fights and thereby more money:p ).

[achillesthegreat]

I think Banks was proper fast early and needed slowing down. Someone like Smith (an attritional fighter) wants someone like Banks over 10 rounds so he can keep wearing him down.