**Good stoppage by Smoger...**

[Orishaman]

Jermain Taylor was cooked and done, when he went down from the accumulation of punches from Pavlik, his will to fight was beaten out of him...his eyes clearly said..."I am not getting up"...Smoger sence it and acted upon it...remember folks ..Smoger is know for giving the boxers on major fights a little extra lead way....but on this one...no need for that.....Jermain was hit with a viscious right hand that connected perfectly on the chin and later on another viscious right upper cut that put Jermain in the "...I don't want to fight anymore mode"....Good stopage..

I will say this , at first glance and my comments to Zivic after the fights was that Smoger could ahve let JT come back one time and Zivic comments change my mind...and I ahve to agree with him since I saw the quiting on his eyes also....but taught he deserved the benefit...but nope ..he was done...clearly done...in fact he was so done he was so embarrassed that he left to the lockers without addressing Merchant...

[Orishaman]

I don;t understand how anyone can;t doubt the stoppage...Jermain in amateurish fashion move to te corner when badly hirt rather than taken the knee as any experince fighter would ahve, rather than backing himslef in the corner becoming target practice for Kelly, or even grab Kelly like Pavlik did 5 rounds earlier...

[bigeddie27]

i dont doubt the stoppage. I think it was good, I was there live and Jermain looked pretty much done. It will be better to have them rematch then have some Gman shit happen to jermain. Smoger is a great ref.

[Orishaman]

I will say that just looking at Jermain you can tell he was not getting up....in a rematch I beleive the outcome will be same....Jermain will ahve that right hand tatooed to his memory bank forever...

[El Bombasto]

Finally a sensible post on this matter

[El Bombasto]

I will say that just looking at Jermain you can tell he was not getting up....in a rematch I beleive the outcome will be same....Jermain will ahve that right hand tatooed to his memory bank forever...

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you on that. There's a clear psychological disadvantage when rematching a fighter who stopped you, especially as brutally as KP did him last night, and it seems like Jermain's psyche is pretty fragile to begin with.

[Orishaman]

Well I ahve heard from isniders that Jermain's heart and soul is not with boxing anymore, now that he ahd all the money, he accomplished waht he set to do, the MW champion, and to paraphrase Zivic..is not like he is pulling a Buster Douglass...but

[paulfv]

Someone deleted my pic which has the Smoger quote:

"He was gone"

It was over.

[Thor]

I don;t understand how anyone can;t doubt the stoppage...Jermain in amateurish fashion move to te corner when badly hirt rather than taken the knee as any experince fighter would ahve, rather than backing himslef in the corner becoming target practice for Kelly, or even grab Kelly like Pavlik did 5 rounds earlier...

I'm a Taylor fan and always will be, but I agree. Taylor shows flashes of doing very good things, it just seems like he lacks consistency. He showed he could circle and stay off the ropes, he showed he could throw the left jab. You got to tie up or take a knee, and when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, be a smart finisher instead of wasting energy with wide punches that aren't really landing. I wish Taylor would keep those hands up too. Props to both guys, I'd like to see Pavlik fight Winky next and then the rematch.

[brooklyn1550]

Yeah, good stoppage by Smoger

[VIP]

Perfect stoppage IMO.

[Club Fighter]

You always give the champion the benefit of the doubt and at least the opportunity to see if he can rise to his feet and continue on. JT had not been in any trouble throughout the entire fight prior to the conclusion of the bout. This gave Smoger no reason to neglect to count to 10 and instead abruptly call a halt to the bout. As many have said that Taylor was not going to get up, let Smoger count to 10 and allow Kelly to get the official KO instead of the TKO. It was a poor job of refereeing on behalf of Smoger and an even poorer job of gauging one's own condition on behalf of Taylor. Sometimes you've gotta know when to take a knee.

[Orishaman]

Good stoppage all right. Taylor, the way he slumped into the corner slowly, looked like he was dead and no more life left in him

He has no fight on him......none...the waisted eneregy on the first 4 rounds looping punches threwing heymakers and missing, not getting the proper distance on his opponent cost his dearly...

[zivic1941]

I'm a Taylor fan and always will be, but I agree. Taylor shows flashes of doing very good things, it just seems like he lacks consistency. He showed he could circle and stay off the ropes, he showed he could throw the left jab. You got to tie up or take a knee, and when Taylor had Pavlik hurt, be a smart finisher instead of wasting energy with wide punches that aren't really landing. I wish Taylor would keep those hands up too. Props to both guys, I'd like to see Pavlik fight Winky next and then the rematch.

That's an excellent post, Thor.

[zivic1941]

Yeah, good stoppage by Smoger

It was. It was one or two punches away from becoming Cooney - Norton, and thankfully, not to the level of Mercer - Morrison or Griffith - Paret. Taylor was 80% completely gone, and 20% aware. He had no shot....his body was in the process of completely shutting down.

[Orishaman]

You always give the champion the benefit of the doubt and at least the opportunity to see if he can rise to his feet and continue on. JT had not been in any trouble throughout the entire fight prior to the conclusion of the bout. This gave Smoger no reason to neglect to count to 10 and instead abruptly call a halt to the bout. As many have said that Taylor was not going to get up, let Smoger count to 10 and allow Kelly to get the official KO instead of the TKO. It was a poor job of refereeing on behalf of Smoger and an even poorer job of gauging one's own condition on behalf of Taylor. Sometimes you've gotta know when to take a knee.

You do..but in this case the Champion was on the floor, with a look that said I am done...I don;t want anymore, hell look at the reaction of Jermain and Emanuel, thye came in a took Jermain into the stool and didn't argued , Jermain clearly disapointed with himself..but not with anyone else...the stoppage was fair and square....end of story:good

[slaterock]

If you watch closely, Taylor was caught with a left hook right right before the ref jumped in. At that point his hands dropped and he started to slump toward the canvas. Taylor was no longer defending himself at this point. Pavlik threw another left hook right as the ref dove in between them, so it hard to tell if it connected. Also there was no standing 8 count in the rules, when the ref intervened, Taylor was still standing but slowly sinking to the canvas and once there he made no attemp to get up. When Pavlick was knocked down, he was still defending himself and got knocked on his a$$, and immediately got up and acknowledged the ref. Taylor just sat there with a glaze look over his eyes.

I hope I'm making some sense to the people who thought Taylor didn't get the benefit of the doubt when the fight was stopped.

[Orishaman]

If you watch closely, Taylor was caught with a left hook right right before the ref jumped in. At that point his hands dropped and he started to slump toward the canvas. Taylor was no longer defending himself at this point. Pavlik threw another left hook right as the ref dove in between them, so it hard to tell if it connected. Also there was no standing 8 count in the rules, when the ref intervened, Taylor was still standing but slowly sinking to the canvas and once there he made no attemp to get up. When Pavlick was knocked down, he was still defending himself and got knocked on his a$$, and immediately got up and acknowledged the ref. Taylor just sat there with a glaze look over his eyes.

I hope I'm making some sense to the people who thought Taylor didn't get the benefit of the doubt when the fight was stopped.

The left uppercut was the nail in the coffin, Jermain was done after the upper, he was out on his feet....and Smoger felt that...he saved Jermain from some serious damage

[slaterock]

The left uppercut was the nail in the coffin, Jermain was done after the upper, he was out on his feet....and Smoger felt that...he saved Jermain from some serious damage

Actually it was that last left hook, he was still defending himself after the uppercut. When the left hook connected, his hands just dropped and he started to sink to the canvas. Watch it closely.

[istmeno]

smoger did an excellent job. if you waych him when taylor got pinned in the corner, he was focused completely on taylor, and you could tell that he wanted to give taylor the opportunity to show that he was still there. he stepped in at the perfect point. he did not see what he wanted from taylor, and he responded like a good referee should. he stopped the fight after taylor was clearly done, but before he was seriously hurt.

[Orishaman]

Actually it was that last left hook, he was still defending himself after the uppercut. When the left hook connected, his hands just dropped and he started to sink to the canvas. Watch it closely.

I did the upper cut snapped the head back so the hands were up but the lights were out...you watch nit closely...please!!!

[C Money]

Smoker did a fablous job of not interfering with REALITY:good

Fanatastic Job and thats REAL:yep

[Butch Coolidge]

I think Taylor didn't go down easy. The damage done to his face showed that he took some really bad shit. I thought that one of his cheekbones may have been broken.

Smoger is a spartan type referee and he's going to let the fight go on as long as possible. He saw something that made him wave it off. Smoger was close enough to the action where he could see pupil size, eye movement etc. that I can only guess at.

[Orishaman]

I think Taylor didn't go down easy. The damage done to his face showed that he took some really bad shit. I thought that one of his cheekbones may have been broken.

Smoger is a spartan type referee and he's going to let the fight go on as long as possible. He saw something that made him wave it off. Smoger was close enough to the action where he could see pupil size, eye movement etc. that I can only guess at.

I t was simple, Taylor was not drop but he collapse and Smoger read it perfectly....you know that Taylor was hurt when Smoger jump on him so animate.....

[Jersey Boxer]

IMO that was a good stoppage, if u look at the replay in slow motion when taylor got hot with that last left hook while goin down u can see his hands just slump down, kind of reminded me when green ko'ed jadon codrington. his hands just dropped and he was not able to defend himself...smogler will let fighters fight till the end or until he can clearly see that a fighter is done...

[slaterock]

I did the upper cut snapped the head back so the hands were up but the lights were out...you watch nit closely...please!!!

I did, his hands were already up and stayed up after the uppercut in defense. But after the left, hands came down and his slow decent began to the canvas. The uppercut hurt him, but it wasn't the finishing punch.

[boxbox]

You always give the champion the benefit of the doubt and at least the opportunity to see if he can rise to his feet and continue on. JT had not been in any trouble throughout the entire fight prior to the conclusion of the bout. This gave Smoger no reason to neglect to count to 10 and instead abruptly call a halt to the bout. As many have said that Taylor was not going to get up, let Smoger count to 10 and allow Kelly to get the official KO instead of the TKO. It was a poor job of refereeing on behalf of Smoger and an even poorer job of gauging one's own condition on behalf of Taylor. Sometimes you've gotta know when to take a knee.


what's there to count for? he obviously wasnt standing even if you gave a 50 count..and he didnt have that state of mind to even think of taking a knee...nice job by the ref.

[carras]

it was a good stoppage

[dave]

Yes Taylor was totally out of it and was not getting up.

[BITCH ASS]

You always give the champion the benefit of the doubt and at least the opportunity to see if he can rise to his feet and continue on. JT had not been in any trouble throughout the entire fight prior to the conclusion of the bout. This gave Smoger no reason to neglect to count to 10 and instead abruptly call a halt to the bout. As many have said that Taylor was not going to get up, let Smoger count to 10 and allow Kelly to get the official KO instead of the TKO. It was a poor job of refereeing on behalf of Smoger and an even poorer job of gauging one's own condition on behalf of Taylor. Sometimes you've gotta know when to take a knee.

I hate to say it, but :good

[warrior85]

i think the job smoger did was the best by a ref in a big fight this year

[tpuz]

Smoger was watching Taylor and as soon as Taylor went limp, but was being held up by the ropes, he stopped the fight. When Pavlik was hurt, he was not being held up by the ropes, that is when serious damage can occur. Smoger knows what to look for and stopped the fight when he had to. He could not allow Taylor to take a punch after he went limp.

[jsimps]

Good stoppage. A few seconds after the KO, they flashed back to Taylor who was still slumped over in the corner and you could hear Taylor say, "Am I knocked out?". He was still on "queer street. You stop it so he doesn't get killed, ala Du Ku Kim.

[Loufatski]

I didn't see the fight but I felt Pavlik was going to win by KO. On the topic of the stoppage I will say that refs see things first hand and up close, they sense things we don't sense on tv.

[Curtis Lowe]

I don't see how anyone could say Taylor quit or didn't have heart. The guy go KNOCKED OUT. That first big right hand hurt him, then the uppercut hurt him, but the left hook is what completely knocked him out.

I'm not a big Taylor fan, but really don't have problem with him. I do really like Pavlik, who is always in an exciting fight. As for those whom are talking about a Pavlik-Hopkins fight, why in the hell would anyone want to see that fight. We would get to see Hopkins clinch for 12 rounds and stink out the place as usual.

[maciek4]

You always give the champion the benefit of the doubt and at least the opportunity to see if he can rise to his feet and continue on. JT had not been in any trouble throughout the entire fight prior to the conclusion of the bout. This gave Smoger no reason to neglect to count to 10 and instead abruptly call a halt to the bout. As many have said that Taylor was not going to get up, let Smoger count to 10 and allow Kelly to get the official KO instead of the TKO. It was a poor job of refereeing on behalf of Smoger and an even poorer job of gauging one's own condition on behalf of Taylor. Sometimes you've gotta know when to take a knee.

You have to watch Griffith Parret and you will change your mind. It really doesnt take much, 2-3 more power shots to the head when the guy is out and he might never recover.

[Curtis Lowe]

I did the upper cut snapped the head back so the hands were up but the lights were out...you watch nit closely...please!!!

It was the left hook that completely knocked him out.

[Claypole]

To be honest, Taylor had taken a lot of big punches that round but and that right hand took every last bit of fight out of him.
I actually felt a bit sorry for him as he stood briefly in the corner knowing full well what was coming his way. If anybody thinks the ref made a mistake, it could be argued he let it go on too long, as it was he got it spot on.
Taylor won't be ready to face Pavlik again within 10 months, let alone 10 seconds.

[Lar Janus]

I'm just glad the fight ended decisively--esp after hearing the bullshit scoring (two judges had JT up by 3 pts, and the other one had him up by 4--WTF??!), up to the point of stoppage. I would REALLY have given up on boxing (PBF/DLH, Spinks/JT, Hatton/JLC all left a bad taste in my mouth, as well as being shitty fights), had this fight gone the distance and JT received an undeserved decision.

[joito3]

yea taylor was out .... just like when Corrales had castillo out on his feet and meeks jumped in to stop it even though castillo hadn't gone down.... had he let corrales nail castillo with another punch corrales could have killed him hell even with meeks jumping in castillo was still never the same after that night

[digiram]

He fell asleep after the last shot that Pavlik gave him. He was done. Pavlik was still wide awake when he went down and got back up.

[digiram]

yea taylor was out .... just like when Corrales had castillo out on his feet and meeks jumped in to stop it even though castillo hadn't gone down.... had he let corrales nail castillo with another punch corrales could have killed him hell even with meeks jumping in castillo was still never the same after that night

Yap.. Castillo was out on his feet with his arms hanging. Another shot could've ended, not only his career, but his life. That was a good stoppage as well.

[Orishaman]

Smoger was watching Taylor and as soon as Taylor went limp, but was being held up by the ropes, he stopped the fight. When Pavlik was hurt, he was not being held up by the ropes, that is when serious damage can occur. Smoger knows what to look for and stopped the fight when he had to. He could not allow Taylor to take a punch after he went limp.

Actually Smoger was on top of Pavlik looking at him after the KD....now it was up to Jermain to not let Pavlik grab as he did....Smoger call the break and Pavlik was back to the grab...so...Jermain needed to shaken him up ...he didn;lt ..he lost