Improving Handspeed: Modern and Old School Training

[Axe]

What are some methods old school fighters used to improve handspeed?

What are some ways that current fighters use to improve/work on their handspeed?

I am aware of the speedbag, and also of shadowboxing with light weights.

[paloalto00]

Practice fast, I know that sounds stupid. But it's just like running, how do you run faster? You run fast.

[thejokerswild]

I rekon practice perfect technique because the more efficient the technique, the faster the punch will arrive.

Then with resistance training, it's more affective to use rubber bands than light weights.

Then practise hitting fast, you'll need strong cardio to maintain a fast pace so work on coniditioning to keep up and be effactive speed puncher.

Thats all ive got....

Anyone know how to practice reaction time? Thats a big thing with speed...

[brown bomber]

How is shadow boxing with light weights going to improve your speed? Thats a complete falicy. The speed at which a muscle contracts will not improve with a resistance in play. Bedt way to improve speed would be to remove all resistence. So remove weight, and remove the resistence caused by tiredness, Perhaps very short rounds of 20 seconds focusing on speed only, good rest then go again. The weights one is a load of shite. There's other methods too...

[thejokerswild]

How is shadow boxing with light weights going to improve your speed? Thats a complete falicy. The speed at which a muscle contracts will not improve with a resistance in play. Bedt way to improve speed would be to remove all resistence. So remove weight, and remove the resistence caused by tiredness, Perhaps very short rounds of 20 seconds focusing on speed only, good rest then go again. The weights one is a load of shite. There's other methods too...
This true Jeff Thomas?

I would only do it based on the fact it's common even in reputable fighters and instructional videos. (Jeff Fenech training video, i've seen pacquaio, mosley and mayweather all use light weights)

Also shadow boxing with resistance bands requires you to explode out contracting through the resistance(Ive been doing this). Then remove the bands and youve made a lot more elasticy snap in your punch.

[RDJ]

Old school: learn how to properly punch, and trying to do it fast.
New school: lift weights.

It's actually the new school answer to nearly everything, mostly the term "if done correctly" is applied behind it.

[Relentless]

hit the bag hard and fast.

[scrap]

The way forward as regards speed, is proper maintainance. Motorized stretching and repairing Biophysical response. We dont do it, repair joint degeneration and muscle Balance. If we get a new car it gets the full Monty, as regards getting looked after. The most expensive thing we will ever own, our Bodys the most amazing peice of Machinery there is we neglect. Strange :lol:

[Relentless]

Old school: learn how to properly punch, and trying to do it fast.
New school: lift weights.

It's actually the new school answer to nearly everything, mostly the term "if done correctly" is applied behind it.

learning how to punch doesn't that have to be 'done correctly'?

[RDJ]

learning how to punch doesn't that have to be 'done correctly'?

Of course.

[dangerousity]

I swear by the shadowboxing with weights, then shadowbox fast without weights. Do it consistently, I was at my fastest following that routine, my bro's also improved their speed the same way. I first got the idea from a Don Familton video ages ago where he said the russian amateurs used it to improve handspeed with success.

[AbronsBoxing]

I know that resistance bands and hand weights work great for me and I only do them 3 times a week. With the hands weights I do alot of different arm and should movements that will help alot with handspeed. let me know if you want to learn it.

[Relentless]

seriously you people are looking too much into this, the punch bag is simple and effective, use it.

[brown bomber]

Ok shadowboxing with weights adds a restriction to the muscle which will reduce the speed it contracts. By shadow boxing with a resistence then doing away with the weight and doing normal rounds at super high speed then you will get faster, but the weight is only there for psychological reasons initially and does nothing to improve speed. Bands are better for improving the strength of a contraction. With regards to the weight after the initiation of a punch surely the 'weight' will dissapear during the punches course of flight? Whats the point in that?

[thejokerswild]

seriously you people are looking too much into this, the punch bag is simple and effective, use it.
Is a training discussion forum, just throwing around ideas.

If the bloke just didn't think of hitting teh bag i think he's too dumb to be a boxer :lol:

[scrap]

You cant throw the 2nd punch until the 1st is coming back.Balisticly Rubber helps the process weights restrict motion.

[paloalto00]

And remember the punching speed and power doesn't really come from the arm, it's from the legs. No legs= no speed or power.

[VX.Nefarious]

would 25 pound weights work for speed?

[VX.Nefarious]

And remember the punching speed and power doesn't really come from the arm, it's from the legs. No legs= no speed or power.

you need arms, trunk, legs, no less

[PH|LLA]

plyometrics

[KTFO]

Padwork.
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[dangerousity]

Ok shadowboxing with weights adds a restriction to the muscle which will reduce the speed it contracts. By shadow boxing with a resistence then doing away with the weight and doing normal rounds at super high speed then you will get faster, but the weight is only there for psychological reasons initially and does nothing to improve speed. Bands are better for improving the strength of a contraction. With regards to the weight after the initiation of a punch surely the 'weight' will dissapear during the punches course of flight? Whats the point in that?

You use weights to create explosive muscles...why then does the same concept not apply to using handweights to shadowbox with, then without?

Im not saying youre wrong, I just found it to be a proven method from experience...maybe youre right that the weights did just serve for psychological reasons..

Its also worth noting that nearly everyone punches faster without gloves than with gloves...thats because gloves have weight, yet we shadowbox without them. Perhaps shadowboxing with weights in effect is like shadowboxing with gloves...improving speed when you finally put them on.

[viru§™]

Padwork.
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Nice little show. I like the way his trainer taps him with the pads...

[brown bomber]

You use weights to create explosive muscles...why then does the same concept not apply to using handweights to shadowbox with, then without?

Im not saying youre wrong, I just found it to be a proven method from experience...maybe youre right that the weights did just serve for psychological reasons..

Its also worth noting that nearly everyone punches faster without gloves than with gloves...thats because gloves have weight, yet we shadowbox without them. Perhaps shadowboxing with weights in effect is like shadowboxing with gloves...improving speed when you finally put them on.As scrap has said the weight restricts the motion. It is not going to improve the speed of a contraction, only improving technique and fast twitch fibres can do that. The resistence when your punching does not come from gravity, the weights will just, at best, make your deltoids more enduring.

Why don't olympic 100m runners train in space suits? Surely that way they'd be faster when they took them off. Its a falicy....

There is a word for the removal of weight during exercise and I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Its a psychological effect, its like if you wear ankle weights all day, when you take thm off you will be comparitively light footed but only as fast as you were before you put them on.

Short spped punching drills on the bag and pads will do more to improve your top end speed then anything that can be managed when sadow boxing. Shadow boxing should be used primarily for dynamic streching, warm up and practicing techniques.

[KTFO]

Nice little show. I like the way his trainer taps him with the pads...


So you think it's just bogus? Are you paranoid?

[viru§™]

So you think it's just bogus? Are you paranoid?

Paranoid? Over what?

[KTFO]

Paranoid? Over what?


Over the process of this training routine.

[viru§™]

Over the process of this training routine.

Huh?

[KTFO]

Huh?


The trainer doesn't trap him with the pads like you assumed. The task of the boxer is to hit the pads as quickly as possible.

[viru§™]

The trainer doesn't trap him with the pads like you assumed. The task of the boxer is to hit the pads as quickly as possible.

To me this is padwork, not the slappy crap Mayweather does.

Whats the point of doing the same choreographed routine over and over and over?

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[scrap]

Padwork, is a great Plyometric Routine :good

[scrap]

So is Skipping, Bagwork and certain forms of Rollerskating :D

[KTFO]

To me this is padwork, not the slappy crap Mayweather does.

Whats the point of doing the same choreographed routine over and over and over?



Well, without discussing who does the better padwork, or if it's choreographed: the task is to hit the pads as quickly as possible. Although that's just speed-improvement by practicing a routine. The real speed-improvement comes from metabolism.

[scrap]

Metobalism , hasnt a big a part to play as Neurophysical adaptions.

[KTFO]

Metobalism , hasnt a big a part to play as Neurophysical adaptions.


Neuro's surely important as well. But if you got bad oxygen-ratio your muscles don't work 100%.

[scrap]

Thats true, but not the bottom line.

[vibit]

Neuro's surely important as well. But if you got bad oxygen-ratio your muscles don't work 100%.

Jeez! Are you guys physios or what? Next thing someone's gonna mention oxygen debt and differences in muscle fibers.

So it's plyometrics huh? I guess people do clap-pushups and jump-squats for a reason.

[RDJ]

Jeez! Are you guys physios or what? Next thing someone's gonna mention oxygen debt and differences in muscle fibers.

So it's plyometrics huh? I guess people do clap-pushups and jump-squats for a reason.

What about "punching" :think

You know, bags, shadowboxing, pads and sparring.

[vibit]

What about "punching" :think

You know, bags, shadowboxing, pads and sparring.

Yea, you're right...I guess I was just thinking of general plyometrics and forgot that the thread was on boxing specific plyometrics to address handspeed. You couldn't be more oldschool than hitting the bag/pads/shadowboxing.

[thejokerswild]

Build an explosive athletic body with plyos
Maintain a strong cardio system to maintain high demands of speedy movements
Increase balance and coordination
Maintain flexibility and muscle health by proper recovery and stretching
Perform perfect and consistent motor skills practice

= speed.

I think the most important thing to being a speedy athlete is how you approach things naturally, you want to naturally seek the speed option in conflict situations and develop your tactics and strategy viewed from a person who thinks principles of speed as a first option. Looking at Sugar Ray Leonard, you can see someone who clearly thinks like a speedy boxer, the physiological ability to be fast isn't in the only thing that matters.

Although reaction time has a lot to do with it aswell, including like scrap pointed out, eye sight. Some things that can't be improved by training. Majority of true speedsters are born that way.

[scrap]

Interestingly up to 16 SRL was a Gymnast.

[paloalto00]

I swear by the shadowboxing with weights, then shadowbox fast without weights. Do it consistently, I was at my fastest following that routine, my bro's also improved their speed the same way. I first got the idea from a Don Familton video ages ago where he said the russian amateurs used it to improve handspeed with success.

You think you were, they don't make you any faster.

[RDJ]

You only feel faster after getting rid of the weights, actual speed remains unchanged.

[wordisbond]

To me this is padwork, not the slappy crap Mayweather does.

Whats the point of doing the same choreographed routine over and over and over?

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Before this vid, I've never seen pac training out of an orthodox stance (mid of video). Perhaps this was to strengthen his right hand.

[Marvelous Marcum]

How is shadow boxing with light weights going to improve your speed? Thats a complete falicy. The speed at which a muscle contracts will not improve with a resistance in play. Bedt way to improve speed would be to remove all resistence. So remove weight, and remove the resistence caused by tiredness, Perhaps very short rounds of 20 seconds focusing on speed only, good rest then go again. The weights one is a load of shite. There's other methods too...


It does work my friend. If you're familiar with powerlifting, they spend an entire day working on dynamic work (speed.) It's done with a lighter weight, 50% or so, and done for fewer reps.

Point being, speed can, and does, improve through resistance training.

[jordaw]

How is shadow boxing with light weights going to improve your speed? Thats a complete falicy. The speed at which a muscle contracts will not improve with a resistance in play. Bedt way to improve speed would be to remove all resistence. So remove weight, and remove the resistence caused by tiredness, Perhaps very short rounds of 20 seconds focusing on speed only, good rest then go again. The weights one is a load of shite. There's other methods too...
Really? I have done a lot of shadow boxing weights and whenever I am done I feel like my hands are much quicker. Maybe they work not because of how fast your muscles contract, but rather because when you shadow box with weights it corrects your form in a way so that you have faster punches after. I say this because with weight resistance everything slows down which makes it easier to spot things wrong with how you throw a punch and correct them.

[brown bomber]

It does work my friend. If you're familiar with powerlifting, they spend an entire day working on dynamic work (speed.) It's done with a lighter weight, 50% or so, and done for fewer reps.

Point being, speed can, and does, improve through resistance training. Dynamic weight training and shadow boxing with weights are not the same thing. How many lifts will the dynamic trainer perform explosively? Certainly a lot less then the number of punches a boxer would be expected to complete in a round. I'm well aware that speed of A PARTICULAR movement can be improved by dynamic training but shadow boxing with weights is not dynamic training.

How many muscles and muscle fibres do you think you recruit when you punch- Are all of those muscles and fibres going to contract explosively for 3 mins when holding a resistance that pulls downwards? I think not.

Years ago pro baseball players used to warm up on deck with a weight on their bat, and sometimes with two bats in hand. Coaches started to notice that players who did this were behind on their swing, reason being is that they were recruiting extra muscle fibers that were not needed to perform the swing. If your body has to send signals to your brain to recruit and fire extra muscle fibers then this will slow you down. Essentially, speed comes from relaxation and efficiency of motion (ever see a close-up of a 100m sprinter's face during a sprint?). So, in effect, you don't want to train too much with hand weights much heavier than the actual weight you will have on your hand during the event. This does not mean that you should exclude strength training, there are other components to boxing which requires strength.

You'd be better served isolating the muscles and using the weights to stimulate each individual muscle in the correct punching motion with a very low work: rest ratio. Then perhaps dynamic training might be relevant.

I strongly disagree.

[brown bomber]

duplicate

[scrap]

The Peritharils, are different to the Nuerodynamics of movement as regards Feel ,with weights, its constant. With joints and muscle its not, Feel is your fastest sense. What makes Speed of movement is how fast the action returns, to start again.

[The Predator]

By experience I know for fact that shadowbox with light weight does work.
no need to discuss it, if you like the old school better than the new school stick to what ever works for you.
There are people who thinks that the floor to ceiling ball is crap. Some people think that you don´t need to practice on how to get inside to the body, just "Go to the body!"
Well good luck to them.
I would not let any of my fighters do it that way.
They should use the floor to ceiling ball and they should practice on how to get inside to be able to throw those bodyshots and they definetly should use light weights in shadowboxing.
IMO use what ever works for you.
Cheers
The Predator

[brown bomber]

By experience I know for fact that shadowbox with light weight does work.
no need to discuss it, if you like the old school better than the new school stick to what ever works for you.
There are people who thinks that the floor to ceiling ball is crap. Some people think that you don´t need to practice on how to get inside to the body, just "Go to the body!"
Well good luck to them.
I would not let any of my fighters do it that way.
They should use the floor to ceiling ball and they should practice on how to get inside to be able to throw those bodyshots and they definetly should use light weights in shadowboxing.
IMO use what ever works for you.
Cheers
The Predator Good to see you back on mate.

I too know for a fact, however I know by experience that it doesn't work. Nor does regular padding with 16oz gloves etc.... Another thing to consider here is the size of the movement been made. Most punches travel less then 20 inches... At least 75% of the time the fist is freely flying through the air. Its the initial movement which defines the speed at which a punch would be thrown. How does a weigh make that movement faster?

[The Predator]

Good to see you back on mate.

I too know for a fact, however I know by experience that it doesn't work. Nor does regular padding with 16oz gloves etc.... Another thing to consider here is the size of the movement been made. Most punches travel less then 20 inches... At least 75% of the time the fist is freely flying through the air. Its the initial movement which defines the speed at which a punch would be thrown. How does a weigh make that movement faster?

Nice to be back, I had a lot to do, since I´ve just started a new boxinggym so I had my hands full, but not with weight´s :p

I have tried out a lot of different ways to build speed and for me the shadowbox routine with weights has given the best results.
I have tried it on my fighters and the development is a fact.
We usually discuss this in the gym as well. Some of my trainers in the staff wants to use explosive weightlifting to build speed and if they think it works, they can use it, however if we don´t see any result in a certain period of time we change the routine.
I don´t say you are wrong in what you are saying, my friend, I just say that this routine has worked better for me and my fighters and since it works well for them to improve speed I will keep it. However i´m never afraid of trying out new things.
old school or new school - use what suits you best and gives the results to win the fight´s, that´s what counts nothing else.
Cheers
The predator

[brown bomber]

Perhaps its the fact that they are concentrating on speed that improves them and not just throwing relaxed 'steady state' punches.

[scrap]

Use something for speed that is resistance and has the same properties as joints for Feel. It makes the Adductor and Abductors work as they should, and is not constant. Rubber has this, use it correctly it stops injury, and gives progression.

[brown bomber]

Use something for speed that is resistance and has the same properties as joints for Feel. It makes the Adductor and Abductors work as they should, and is not constant. Rubber has this, use it correctly it stops injury, and gives progression. How would you go about measuring the progression of handspeed scrap? Visual assesment? Any other way? PM if you like!! Thanks mate.

[The Predator]

Perhaps its the fact that they are concentrating on speed that improves them and not just throwing relaxed 'steady state' punches.

No, no. Not at all.
I think we have a different opinion on this.
As long as we get faster it doesn´t matter what we do. Keep up the good work.
Now I on my way to training.
see yah
The predator

[scrap]

B B pm,d you

[thejokerswild]

With getting feel for punches and biomechanics-

I think it's important to practise throwing the first 1/2.... even 1/3 of the movement for developing good technique. This relates to speed a lot because the first part of the movement is probably the most important for completing perfect technique in someone willing to start a lot of punches.

It's also a good way to feel connection with your legs I've found.

[scrap]

Jeff Im fortunate to be able to use the Biomechanics lab at the uni. They have more Cameras there than Hollywood :D. Interestingly the area to target for speed of arm is plyometrics of the Elbow, theres a technique for doing this.

[Marvelous Marcum]

Dynamic weight training and shadow boxing with weights are not the same thing. How many lifts will the dynamic trainer perform explosively? Certainly a lot less then the number of punches a boxer would be expected to complete in a round. I'm well aware that speed of A PARTICULAR movement can be improved by dynamic training but shadow boxing with weights is not dynamic training.

How many muscles and muscle fibres do you think you recruit when you punch- Are all of those muscles and fibres going to contract explosively for 3 mins when holding a resistance that pulls downwards? I think not.

Years ago pro baseball players used to warm up on deck with a weight on their bat, and sometimes with two bats in hand. Coaches started to notice that players who did this were behind on their swing, reason being is that they were recruiting extra muscle fibers that were not needed to perform the swing. If your body has to send signals to your brain to recruit and fire extra muscle fibers then this will slow you down. Essentially, speed comes from relaxation and efficiency of motion (ever see a close-up of a 100m sprinter's face during a sprint?). So, in effect, you don't want to train too much with hand weights much heavier than the actual weight you will have on your hand during the event. This does not mean that you should exclude strength training, there are other components to boxing which requires strength.

You'd be better served isolating the muscles and using the weights to stimulate each individual muscle in the correct punching motion with a very low work: rest ratio. Then perhaps dynamic training might be relevant.

I strongly disagree.

The speed at which a muscle contracts will not improve with a resistance in play. Bedt way to improve speed would be to remove all resistence. So remove weight, and remove the resistence caused by tiredness

Those are the sentences I was replying to. I should have bolded it but did not. As far as using free weights to punch, I think it's idiotic.

[brown bomber]

Jeff Im fortunate to be able to use the Biomechanics lab at the uni. They have more Cameras there than Hollywood :D. Interestingly the area to target for speed of arm is plyometrics of the Elbow, theres a technique for doing this.Care to share? :D

[brown bomber]

Those are the sentences I was replying to. I should have bolded it but did not. As far as using free weights to punch, I think it's idiotic.Idiotic? Bit harsh... most people would think that would work. I was suprised by the fact it doesn't.

[scrap]

With you No Problem

[brown bomber]

With you No ProblemYour a gent. :good

[bez]

with me too

[Goose]

practice ball throws, medicine balls or whatever, go throw rocks into the ocean, perfect your punching technique, learn to control and time your muscles thats when to squeeze your palm at the right moment, work with mitts, shadowbox, skipping role also helps since it works your shoulder joints...also, learn to throw a punch fast, and bring your hands back even faster, it helps to develop that 'snap' and from there it actually feels faster

i dont know if this is old school or modern...more like anything goes

[slantone]

i think traditional methods would include primitive resistance- like punching underwater, maybe weighted training- light that is, repetitions, pucnhing fast simply, and unorthodox things like juggling (dont laugh - ive seen it)- even roy plays air hockey to practise his speed and eye co-ordination.

new school methods include rubber band resistance- which is popoular now, and plyometrics, etc.

[slantone]

ultimately though- the key to speed is technique. and of course ability.

but alot is technique- alot of punchers- heavy pucnhers- throw heavy all the way. but a punch that is fast- is like a snap- like a kung fu punch- a chain as bruce lee put it. u relax your arms (but keep a fist) and then snap out.

try comparing yourself throwing as hard as you can- to yourself throwing as relaxed as you can- you'll notice that the relaxed is smoother, more correct and fluid- and faster.

and of course force equals mass times acceleration-
so basically the faster u throw the harder you'll hit.

[slantone]

going on- you throw relaxed- and then at the last instant firm up- creating a whip like effect.

its like whipping a towel . if you swing it at something it wont go very hard- but if u whip it- u can hurt some serious locker room arse

[brown bomber]

You mean you don't recruit as many muscle fibres and you throw faster? Serious..?

[scrap]

Understanding Feel, do Nuerons respond faster to the Tickle or the Prick, great concept.

[Axe]

I like the rubber tube training ideas, those are surely effective methods. I have tried this in the past myself.

Plyometric training is an interesting concept, as far as I know it generally increases Type IIa muscle fibers, whereas handspeed will come from Type IIb (the 'fastest twitch' fibers).

Any further ideas on how to target these muscle groups for speed are welcome.

[scrap]

Simply Axe, Speed initially comes from where the Head is as regards Oral perception and stability. What ever we do as action has to beat Gravity, correct posture is a must. Without it the arms and upper back has a Problem in as much as the Muscle Nuerons, already have a response. That is the major flaw in response adaptability, which has a Domino effect throughout the Nueromuscular system.

[thejokerswild]

Like you said scrap, I've been focusing more on the elbow in practising movements and have found a lot more control and speed in technique.

With regards to defeating gravity, I have elastics and do short repetitions of front and side holds and have found immediately after combinations feel a lot fresher and less forced. I imagine the long term affects of doing this will help a lot in stabilizing your overall stance especially shoulders.

With feel you definitely feel a strong connection with feet, core and shoulders while doing those exercises.

[scrap]

Show me a Fighter that Boxes with His Chin down Ill show you a Fighter who Hasnt got speed of Hand and movement and is easy to Read. His Psycchodinamics arnt right, so the Noeromuscular system isnt working as it should.

[brown bomber]

Trying to think of some now scrap... don;'t doubt you for one minute... De La Hoya?

[thejokerswild]

Cotto Tyson both have above average handspeed.

[scrap]

There Heads were in not Down.

[scrap]

A little thing you can Try, drop your Chin on your Chest, then try lifting your Shoulders. Now put your Chin in not down, now try lifting the Shoulders, its a diffent response.

[thejokerswild]

True i did that. It isn't natural for your head to be pointing down while you're moving about. Probably why coaches are always yelling 'keep yer fookin chin doon camron'

[RDJ]

To fix that, the chin goes down a little, and the shoulder goes up a little.

[scrap]

RDJyoure missing the point, When the Chin drops the support Muscles for Punching, already have a response. You have to change the response, nothing flows. Muscle cant do two things at the same time at speed.

[RDJ]

RDJyoure missing the point, When the Chin drops the support Muscles for Punching, already have a response. You have to change the response, nothing flows. Muscle cant do two things at the same time at speed.

Am I? I'm suggesting tucking the chin by pulling up the shoulder a little, would that not fix part of the problem? I agree that putting the chin completely on the chest destroys part of your motor skills.

[Bodi]

Something is being overlooked here. Whilst I concur that handspeed is very important, so is a sound defence. Look at Hopkins - he's got no real handspeed to speak of, and yes he does keep his chin tucked down at times - this goes some way to supporting scrap's theory, and I bow to his superior knowledge in this area. My point is if your boxing success was reliant on speed alone, B-Hop wouldn't have got anywhere the level that he is at now. Boxing is about balance... not physical balance (though very important), but a balanced skill set, which works in tandem with your physical attributes. Finding the correct balance is extremely difficult, with only a handful of fighters in history being able to strike that perfect blend. So, my advice is don't disregard the fundamentals and your natural abilities in exchange for maximizing your effectiveness in only one area - take a blanced view and work with what you have got.

[thejokerswild]

So what do you propose from this scrap? Not tuck your chin when blazing combos?

Or is this just a random finding that we can draw our own conclusion upon?

[brown bomber]

Something is being overlooked here. Whilst I concur that handspeed is very important, so is a sound defence. Look at Hopkins - he's got no real handspeed to speak of, and yes he does keep his chin tucked down at times - this goes some way to supporting scrap's theory, and I bow to his superior knowledge in this area. My point is if your boxing success was reliant on speed alone, B-Hop wouldn't have got anywhere the level that he is at now. Boxing is about balance... not physical balance (though very important), but a balanced skill set, which works in tandem with your physical attributes. Finding the correct balance is extremely difficult, with only a handful of fighters in history being able to strike that perfect blend. So, my advice is don't disregard the fundamentals and your natural abilities in exchange for maximizing your effectiveness in only one area - take a blanced view and work with what you have got.
:good

[RDJ]

Something is being overlooked here. Whilst I concur that handspeed is very important, so is a sound defence. Look at Hopkins - he's got no real handspeed to speak of, and yes he does keep his chin tucked down at times - this goes some way to supporting scrap's theory, and I bow to his superior knowledge in this area. My point is if your boxing success was reliant on speed alone, B-Hop wouldn't have got anywhere the level that he is at now. Boxing is about balance... not physical balance (though very important), but a balanced skill set, which works in tandem with your physical attributes. Finding the correct balance is extremely difficult, with only a handful of fighters in history being able to strike that perfect blend. So, my advice is don't disregard the fundamentals and your natural abilities in exchange for maximizing your effectiveness in only one area - take a blanced view and work with what you have got.

Indeed. It's a trade off between protecting the chin and being fast. I don't tuck it that much myself, just enough to make it touch my left shoulder when under attack. It's not supposed to touch the chest IMO, you'd be way too square on for my taste anyway.

[scrap]

This could go on a bit :lol:. Chin down puts pressure on the upper Back which in turn puts pressure on the lower back Psossas and Groin, stops natural movement. affects the inner ear alinement with Feet. Chin down restricts diaphragm working as it should by 50%, eyes primary source is oxygen. got a client back later :hi:

[scrap]

Which doesnt do peripharel vision much good, also with less oxygen intake the body will not perform at its best. Theres a few little Bits. :good

[thejokerswild]

Awesome. I've saved that. A lot of people I know will be interested in reading that. INfact even mentioning it could land me in short bit of trouble :D

Scrap p4p #1 trainer.

Bodi has a good post too, balance in all areas is important.

[brown bomber]

Awesome. I've saved that. A lot of people I know will be interested in reading that. INfact even mentioning it could land me in short bit of trouble :D

Scrap p4p #1 trainer.

Bodi has a good post too, balance in all areas is important.Scrap is an amazing trainer, like Bodi's posts too... Seems there's a good few of us on here who like sharing idea's its great and very helpful.

[Bodi]

Cheers guys:thumbsup

[scrap]

Its interesting while were on the subject of the Head, what I now call the Oral Cavity. Thats where thought is transmitted, the body is there to carry it about :D its designed for that purpose the body. To give protection to the Head every movement when danger comes the 1st thought is to protect the Noggin. Its the Pscyhcodynamics of vision of the eyes that gives us warning. Thing is both eyes not seeing the same thing can be tricked because the eyes have only 1/6 of a second memory. There lies the Rub, thats Boxing, plus eyes are the slowest sense to respond to danger, its all interesting stuff.:good

[libtolu]

Am i the only person who just did the chin thing and found it didn't affect my speed at all?

[boy-wonder]

As scrap has said the weight restricts the motion. It is not going to improve the speed of a contraction, only improving technique and fast twitch fibres can do that. The resistence when your punching does not come from gravity, the weights will just, at best, make your deltoids more enduring.

Why don't olympic 100m runners train in space suits? Surely that way they'd be faster when they took them off. Its a falicy....

There is a word for the removal of weight during exercise and I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Its a psychological effect, its like if you wear ankle weights all day, when you take thm off you will be comparitively light footed but only as fast as you were before you put them on.

Short spped punching drills on the bag and pads will do more to improve your top end speed then anything that can be managed when sadow boxing. Shadow boxing should be used primarily for dynamic streching, warm up and practicing techniques.


some idiots in another thread got upset with me bc i said i only used calistethcis and did not believe in weight training. I said i used pushups, pullups and practice explosion in my sparring with some good heavy 16 ounces gloves and they all got upset with me bc i did not approve of weights.

I actually agree with you 100%, practice the technique properly and explode when you practice it, just like sprinting.

I used to run with weights in my hand in the beginning it appears that you it improves your speed but after a while i noticed that the speed actually slowed my hands down. But when i stoppped using the weights, and went back to expoloding on the back and in the ring, my speed came back.