Could Floyd beat BJ Penn in an MMA fight? [Archive]

BITCH ASS

01-05-2010, 04:43 PM

Spunik

01-05-2010, 04:45 PM

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Spunik

01-05-2010, 04:46 PM

Boxing match yes...MMA match no!

^^^ don't kill this thread....

Spunik

01-05-2010, 04:52 PM

Someone like Kermit Cintron with his amateur wrestling background could do very very well...

He'd school BJ Penn......

196osh

01-05-2010, 05:19 PM

He'd school BJ Penn......

BJ would choke Kermit to death, after beating his face in with some brutal ground and pound.

As for Mayweather? In mma vs BJ Penn? :rofl:rofl:rofl

Rudyard

01-05-2010, 05:46 PM

We'll have to see what happens when and if James Toney gets a fight in MMA. While James is different than Mayweather in the sense, that he's a real mother fucker that will fuck you up and ain't scared of shit, he'll at least SHOULD give people an idea of how elite boxing skills will matchup against MMA fighters.

I also think Floyd toughness is questionable.
Capsfund...who can you question a FIGHTERS toughness? I mean, it take a lot just to even get in the ring with a trained fighter...Its rather easy to make comments from the safety of your own crib...Takes a lot of heart to be internet warrior!:lol::good

BITCH ASS

01-05-2010, 05:53 PM

Capsfund...who can you question a FIGHTERS toughness? I mean, it take a lot just to even get in the ring with a trained fighter...Its rather easy to make comments from the safety of your own crib...Takes a lot of heart to be internet warrior!:lol::good

Yeah, but toughness is relative, isn't it?

Would you say that Floyd is tougher than Toney?

Be real. We're talkin about the same guy that was too ascared to fight Margarito.

Toney would have whupped a guy like Margarito on his way to Burger King.

Sheehan

01-05-2010, 05:54 PM

as good as penn is striking, he'll never be able to stand with mayweather and Mayweather wont be able to stop it going to the ground, which is where where he gets dominated.

Rudyard

01-05-2010, 05:56 PM

Yeah, but toughness is relative, isn't it?

Would you say that Floyd is tougher than Toney?

Be real. We're talkin about the same guy that was too ascared to fight Margarito.

Toney would have whupped a guy like Margarito on his way to Burger King.

I dont give two shit who's tougher between the two...I asked you who are to question a fighters toughness? You're not doing nothing but passing judgement from the safety of your home...:-(

Fuck Margorito...he's irrelavent to boxing now that he's been exposed!:patsch

BITCH ASS

01-05-2010, 06:03 PM

I dont give two shit who's tougher between the two...I asked you who are to question a fighters toughness? You're not doing nothing but passing judgement from the safety of your home...:-(

Fuck Margorito...he's irrelavent to boxing now that he's been exposed!:patsch

Toughness is relevant when it's another fighter vs another fighter in a sport where a guy has almost no choice but to take risks and you're concerning a fighter who is known for taking no risks.

I mean be reasonable. I know you like to hate on me cuz of my superior intellect and shit, but you don't gotta be so blunt about it.

Shit...

And Margarito WAS relevant back in the day with all the other mother fuckers Floyd COULDA been fightin if he wasn't so risk averse.

So yeah, I would say in this situation, I would question his toughness. James Toney. No. That mother fucker will gladly fight anyone.

Rudyard

01-05-2010, 06:08 PM

BewareofDawg

01-05-2010, 06:13 PM

Toughness is relevant when it's another fighter vs another fighter in a sport where a guy has almost no choice but to take risks and you're concerning a fighter who is known for taking no risks.

I mean be reasonable. I know you like to hate on me cuz of my superior intellect and shit, but you don't gotta be so blunt about it.

Shit...

And Margarito WAS relevant back in the day with all the other mother fuckers Floyd COULDA been fightin if he wasn't so risk averse.

So yeah, I would say in this situation, I would question his toughness. James Toney. No. That mother fucker will gladly fight anyone.
You question a man's toughness who has dedicated his life to hand to hand combat??? When Floyd was coming up he took on all challenges, for years calling out Hoya and Mosley. That's how boxing works dude. You struggle your ass off, blood sweat and tears (literally), to get to the top and many never ever get there. Once you are on top, you have the luxury (I call it a luxury but you still have to fight for a living) to pick and choose money fights. You can balance risk and reward. Only a fucking moron would not understand this. Mosley is tough as nails but he is calling out Manny...for MONEY! Hopkins fought Hoya.....for MONEY! Hopkins aint trying to fight Dawson right now, he's looking for money fights. Oscar wasn't trying to fight Winky, he was looking for high reward, low risk. Calzaghe fought Roy Jones's corpse and Peter Manfredo for money and exposure in America. It is how the sport is structured. Didn't Floyd break his hand in the first Castillo fight and another fight and still finish? Yeah that boy lacks toughness :patsch

karatekid530

01-05-2010, 06:24 PM

sure his hands are faster than BJ's, but as soon as BJ throws a punch and floyd goes into his shell he'll be standing there to takedown. he won't have a clue what to do in that situation compared to BJ. he would get taken down and that's a fact. and i can say 2 things about that... the shell won't mean shit when he's laying on his back, and he wouldn't be so pretty anymore when BJ's done.

floyd would be lucky if BJ was nice enough to let him leave with his limbs intact.

WiDDoW_MaKeR

01-05-2010, 06:29 PM

It could happen. Floyd is easily the better athlete.
uh.... NO.

Beebs

01-05-2010, 06:41 PM

Delete this shit.

196osh

01-05-2010, 06:42 PM

uh.... No.

qftmft

Beebs

01-05-2010, 06:43 PM

Someone like Kermit Cintron with his amateur wrestling background could do very very well...

He'd school BJ Penn......

Much better wrestlers than Cintron have been totally outwrestled by Penn.

Honestly, kill yourself.

aliwasthegreatest

01-05-2010, 07:06 PM

Heh is it possible? I suppose Floyd has an excellent ability to land punches and a punch is all it takes sometimes, but if BJ so much as wraps a finger around him what is he supposed to do? Floyd learns very well so If someone is capable of learning more skills it's him. But right now I just can't see it happening outside of luck

Koa

01-05-2010, 07:25 PM

It could happen. Floyd is easily the better athlete.

No he isn't :lol:

Dave_j1985

01-05-2010, 07:37 PM

In a word no. BJ's boxing would be good enough to defend himself standing up and Floyd has zero ground skills and no knowledge of submissions that I know off.

That said under boxing rules Floyd schools BJ for 12 rounds for a decision victory

cloud_cyc

01-05-2010, 08:58 PM

if he hits bj cleanly then yes.. if bj catches him with a takedown, then its all over

Beebs

01-05-2010, 11:40 PM

if he hits bj cleanly then yes.. if bj catches him with a takedown, then its all over

Even if Floyd hit him clean BJ would still win.

Drunkenboxer

01-06-2010, 12:02 AM

No way!

zarman

01-06-2010, 12:43 AM

could mayweather beat nadal at darts?

dublynflya

01-06-2010, 12:47 AM

could mayweather beat nadal at darts?

:rofl Absolute class!!

dublynflya

01-06-2010, 12:56 AM

Someone like Kermit Cintron with his amateur wrestling background could do very very well...

He'd school BJ Penn......

Cintron would probably do much better than most boxers (I would certainly back Cintron to beat Mayweather, in an mma fight). He has genuine power and (By most accounts) wrestled at high school/collage.
That said he would literally have one chance at putting BJ's lights out and Penn possesses sufficiently good stand-up (And an iron beard) to ensure that Kermit's one chance does not occur. As soon as BJ (A truly world class grappler) puts his hands on Cintron, it is over!

dublynflya

01-06-2010, 01:07 AM

as good as penn is striking, he'll never be able to stand with mayweather and Mayweather wont be able to stop it going to the ground, which is where where he gets dominated.

Agreed, but in an mma fight BJ utilises kicks, and while Floyd is trying to work out wtf is going on BJ gets his hands on Floyd and the fight is over.

I will say this though, whenever pro boxers have fought in mma the one thing that everybody notices is just how tough those fuckers are!! They may "Tap" if their arm/leg is getting twisted up-side down, but apart from that they do not quit! And of course the sport of mma has produced many true warriors, who define the word "Courage".

Here is a question for anyone who cares to answer:

MMA fighter or boxer, who is (In your opinion) tougher? You may generalise or consider actual individuals from both disciplines.

Objective analysis please!:-).

Addie

01-06-2010, 01:14 AM

This is the BOTTOM LINE.

Mayweather would beat Penn in a Boxing match 10 times out of 10. No questions asked.

Mayweather could beat Penn in MMA because all fights start standing and boxing is part of it, but you'd have to favor Penn because of all the other facets involved.

ufoalf

01-06-2010, 01:23 AM

MMA fighter or boxer, who is (In your opinion) tougher? You may generalise or consider actual individuals from both disciplines.

Objective analysis please!:-).

I think they're all tough. There really isn't two ways about it. I think mentally, both sports are equally challenging. One thing to note though, I think MMA is more challenging on lower levels such as amateur/young pro. Because you don't need a lot of skill for MMA to hurt. Knee to the face or a kick to the liver is going to hurt like a motherfucker even if you're not as good at technique. On the other hand it cancels out through wrestling and you don't need to get punched/kicked at ALL in some cases.

But to get to the top of both sports you have to be equally tough.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 01:24 AM

Agreed, but in an mma fight BJ utilises kicks, and while Floyd is trying to work out wtf is going on BJ gets his hands on Floyd and the fight is over.

I will say this though, whenever pro boxers have fought in mma the one thing that everybody notices is just how tough those fuckers are!! They may "Tap" if their arm/leg is getting twisted up-side down, but apart from that they do not quit! And of course the sport of mma has produced many true warriors, who define the word "Courage".

Here is a question for anyone who cares to answer:

MMA fighter or boxer, who is (In your opinion) tougher? You may generalise or consider actual individuals from both disciplines.

Objective analysis please!:-).

Well tough can is determined in different ways. I actually believe it just depends.

Example. Boxer: Arturo Gatti (R.I.P.) A true throw back fighter. A fighter that could take punishment and dish out some of his own. A fighter that was based on heart and used it to win alot of fights.

Example. MMA Fighter: Big NOG. You can say he's an MMA version of Gatti. He takes punishment and his determination and heart pulls him through more times than not. He's won alot of fights because of his heart and courage.

I judge toughness based on how much punishment a fighter can take. Alot of people judge toughness off a fighter being macho, but anyone can do that.

Example. Bob Sapp. His last name fits him perfectly. He sure LOOKS like a tough guy, he ACTS like a tough guy, pretty much plays the bully role, and gets his ass kicked.

Example. Manny Pacquiao: Doesn't act or put up a front for anything. He's a perfect example of a gentleman athlete that embodies sportsmanship. Can take an ass whipping and can knock your head into tomorrow.

ufoalf

01-06-2010, 01:26 AM

Mayweather could beat Penn in MMA because all fights start standing and boxing is part of it, but you'd have to favor Penn because of all the other facets involved.

No, he can't. 100/100 Penn wins MMA. It's like saying Penn has a punchers chance in a boxing match against Mayweather. He doesn't.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 01:28 AM

if he hits bj cleanly then yes.. if bj catches him with a takedown, then its all over

:patsch

I am so tired of this stereotypical bullshit that all it takes is for a Boxer to land cleanly to knock out an MMA Fighter. Such bullshit. Floyd can land clean on BJ then Floyd will have Penn's foot shoved up his ass.

Addie

01-06-2010, 01:44 AM

No, he can't. 100/100 Penn wins MMA. It's like saying Penn has a punchers chance in a boxing match against Mayweather. He doesn't.

You're being dismissive. It's easy.

Mayweather beats Penn in a boxing match. MMA starts standing, if he lands hard enough, with great enough technique, he'll knock Penn out. He's on a different planet, in a different universe in striking with his hands than Penn. However, like I said, you have to favor Penn because he'd most surely take the fight to the ground and if he wanted to, it'd be easy.

...In a Boxing match, there is no ground game. No ju-jitsu, no wrestling, no grappling, no ground n pound. Mayweather wins in whichever round he wants.

Ubersteve

01-06-2010, 02:04 AM

Penn can take enough Floyd shots to make it a certainty, IMO. It's as close to a sure thing as. You can get. I wouldn't take floyd at 100/1 odds.

ufoalf

01-06-2010, 02:15 AM

You're being dismissive. It's easy.

Mayweather beats Penn in a boxing match. MMA starts standing, if he lands hard enough, with great enough technique, he'll knock Penn out. He's on a different planet, in a different universe in striking with his hands than Penn. However, like I said, you have to favor Penn because he'd most surely take the fight to the ground and if he wanted to, it'd be easy.

...In a Boxing match, there is no ground game. No ju-jitsu, no wrestling, no grappling, no ground n pound. Mayweather wins in whichever round he wants.

Do you understand the fact that BJ penn doesn't even have to walk into punching distance to take Mayweather down?
I'm being dismissive because I KNOW that a person who doesn't know how to stop a takedown won't stop it. You understand that Mayweather physically will not be able to punch hard enough to knock him out with 1, 2, 3 or even 4 punches while someone is trying to take him down. It's NOT going to happen.

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That is all that Penn needs to do. Low single leg, fight is over. 100/100 times Penn wins.

Addie

01-06-2010, 02:32 AM

Do you understand the fact that BJ penn doesn't even have to walk into punching distance to take Mayweather down?
I'm being dismissive because I KNOW that a person who doesn't know how to stop a takedown won't stop it. You understand that Mayweather physically will not be able to punch hard enough to knock him out with 1, 2, 3 or even 4 punches while someone is trying to take him down. It's NOT going to happen.

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That is all that Penn needs to do. Low single leg, fight is over. 100/100 times Penn wins.

We're in agreement. If Penn wants to take the fight to the ground, he will, and he'll win. If Penn keeps the fight standing as opposed to going for a takedown immediately, he can get hit, he can get knocked out.

tri-pod

01-06-2010, 02:40 AM

This thread is awful. Seriously who comes up with this shit?

Floyd style isn't a knockout style, and BJ is a fucking tough dude. PBF lands cleanly Penn shakes it off and gets the takedown. 10/10 times.

Boxing match Floyd dances around BJ all day gets the decision victory. 10/10 times.

If Floyd has a punchers chance then so does BJ right?

This thread is fail.

Addie

01-06-2010, 02:48 AM

Penn is tough getting hit against other Mixed Martial Artists who can barely throw a punch with proper technique and timing. Mayweather can throw with the type of speed, timing, and technique to knock any MMA fighter around his division out. "Different world", as Jens Pulver put it.

Jeff Young

01-06-2010, 02:54 AM

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 02:57 AM

Addie

01-06-2010, 03:01 AM

Jens specified "Different world" in a Boxing ring. NOT IN A CAGE.

Perhaps, but what I said is still valid I feel. Getting hit by GSP in the face with a punch is not the same as being hit with a punch by Floyd Mayweather.

Addie

01-06-2010, 03:03 AM

Ray Mercer:D......I find it funny how MMA guys act like a boxer has zero chance in mma.....When ray mercer, a fat washed-up boxer, had some success....

Take a look at Anderson Silva's boxing record on boxrec....

Sylvia wasn't long ago the UFC HW champion of the world too. MMA fans will play it down, it's hardly surprising that they would, but Mercer vs Sylvia is exactly what I'm saying. All fights start standing up, Boxing and MMA, and that gives a professional boxer, the best boxer on the planet, a chance to land...and a chance to knockout his opponent.

Koa

01-06-2010, 03:10 AM

Perhaps, but what I said is still valid I feel. Getting hit by GSP in the face with a punch is not the same as being hit with a punch by Floyd Mayweather.

There are bigger strikes that happen in MMA.. You act like a lead right cross is the biggest strike in the world.

I'll tell you this much. MMA has seen more powerful strikes, and just as well timed strikes than boxing ever has, or ever will. Simple reason, roundhouse kick to the head. I'll site Filipovic when he was at his best. Nobody in boxing ever threw a bunch anywhere near as powerful as his left leg to the jaw. Not even in the same building, and his timing was extremely good.. Tactically, as a southpaw he would drop fighters guards when they got a taste of his liver kick if they carried their guard high.. And when they did drop their guard, they went down..

This happened when he was a pro kickboxer, and it happened in MMA as well..

Now, Filipovic as a kickboxer was known for his power, one strike knockout ability.. Floyd, isn't known for that.. He is known to be elusive defensively, and a master at striking without being struck, both as a counter puncher, and as a guy who can pot shot you all night..

Why would BJ Penn stand up with someone as good as Floyd Mayweather when he can simple shoot his legs and pound his face in?

Addie

01-06-2010, 03:12 AM

There are bigger strikes that happen in MMA.. You act like a lead right cross is the biggest strike in the world.

I'll tell you this much. MMA has seen more powerful strikes, and just as well timed strikes than boxing ever has, or ever will. Simple reason, roundhouse kick to the head. I'll site Filipovic when he was at his best. Nobody in boxing ever threw a bunch anywhere near as powerful as his left leg to the jaw. Not even in the same building, and his timing was extremely good.. Tactically, as a southpaw he would drop fighters guards when they got a taste of his liver kick if they carried their guard high.. And when they did drop their guard, they went down..

...Well observed beautiful, but apart from MMA being lackluster in general, I wasn't talking about kicks. Mayweather isn't looking to kick anyone.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 03:13 AM

Ray Mercer:D......I find it funny how MMA guys act like a boxer has zero chance in mma.....When ray mercer, a fat washed-up boxer, had some success....

Take a look at Anderson Silva's boxing record on boxrec....

Anderson Silva is mainly a Muay Thai fighter and has good Boxing for MMA. Not for pro Boxing. Ray Mercer came in and beat a fighter in Tim Sylvia that wasn't the best representative for MMA. Sylvia is as washed as Mercer. It just so happens, Mercer has better hands and it made all the difference.

I can use the same point you just did in reverse when MMA fighters step into a Boxing ring and beat up on someone who isn't the best representative for Boxing.

Example. Yves Edwards: At one time one of the best Lightweights in MMA.
This is his Boxing match.

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Vitor Belfort: One of the best P4P fighters in MMA today.
This is his Boxing match.

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What Ray Mercer did was the equivalent of the vids I posted. It doesn't really mean anything. Ray Mercer lost to Kimbo Slice, that doesn't really mean anything either. A Boxer doesn't have zero chance. Generally speaking it's a fight and anything can happen, but the Boxer's chances are VERY slim. Especially against an elite fighter.

Delroc

01-06-2010, 03:19 AM

no way in a mma match i dont think the shoulder roll will work with 4ounce gloves.

Addie

01-06-2010, 03:19 AM

What Ray Mercer did was the equivalent of the vids I posted.

:lol::patsch Two really really good MMA fighters beating complete cans who's no one has ever heard of ever in a boxing match is comparable to a 40-50 year old shot to pieces, grossly over weight Mercer knocking former UFC Heavyweight champion out in MMA? We don't need to get stupid just to keep to our agenda's here now chaps. Smarten up.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 03:21 AM

Perhaps, but what I said is still valid I feel. Getting hit by GSP in the face with a punch is not the same as being hit with a punch by Floyd Mayweather.

There's some truth to that. However with MMA guys evolving the way they are right now, I wouldn't wanna be hit (which I have) with those 4 oz gloves. It still doesn't feel good. MMA fighter Melvin Guillard is considered a lower tier fighter, but his strikes are phenomenal. Mainly his punches. He has a Boxing backround, and his punches are sharp & fast. I'm not saying Guillard is better than Floyd technically (of course not), but he's more explosive.

Koa

01-06-2010, 03:24 AM

Sylvia wasn't long ago the UFC HW champion of the world too. MMA fans will play it down, it's hardly surprising that they would, but Mercer vs Sylvia is exactly what I'm saying. All fights start standing up, Boxing and MMA, and that gives a professional boxer, the best boxer on the planet, a chance to land...and a chance to knockout his opponent.

What you say is correct.. You should also mention that Ray Mercer has always been a guy with good power, as well as deceptive speed. Power is the last thing to go in a fighter..

So you get this guy who is powerful enough, even at this stage in his career to finish off pretty much anybody if he lands a clean punch. He fights a guy who is overconfident, and it's bound to happen..

When you talk about Mayweather, you aren't talking about a guy known for destructive power in his hands, but a guy who is a master class boxer who puts people away with cumulative punishment. If Penn stood in front of Floyd for a round, and tried to trade with Floyd with those gloves? I will say, Floyd has a better than good shot at knocking Penn out.. If Floyd threw a running right cross, sure, he could knock Penn out, but outside of those, very odd circumstances, Floyd would either get choked out, or his face pushed in. Maybe Penn would even pull an arm off.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 03:27 AM

:lol::patsch Two really really good MMA fighters beating complete cans who's no one has ever heard of ever in a boxing match is comparable to a 40-50 year old shot to pieces, grossly over weight Mercer knocking former UFC Heavyweight champion out in MMA? We don't need to get stupid just to keep to our agenda's here now chaps. Smarten up.

Sylvia was shot dude. Just because he's a former 2X champion doesn't mean he was really good. The division was so weak when Sylvia was champ, someone had to hold the title. If you followed the division a few years ago then you would agree. Anybody can hold a title. Even a bum. Hell look at Boxing, Carlos Maussa even had a title:lol: Sylvia was never that good. Just a title holder at a time when the organization's HW division wasn't very good. Stop kidding yourself.

Koa

01-06-2010, 03:34 AM

Sylvia was shot dude. Just because he's a former 2X champion doesn't mean he was really good. The division was so weak when Sylvia was champ, someone had to hold the title. If you followed the division a few years ago then you would agree. Anybody can hold a title. Even a bum. Hell look at Boxing, Carlos Maussa even had a title:lol: Sylvia was never that good. Just a title holder at a time when the organization's HW division wasn't very good. Stop kidding yourself.

I think the thing is, Mercer has dangerous power.. He catches either of the Klitcho's clean with those gloves, they are out cold.

Sylvia isn't the smartest tool in the shed, I don't know what was going through his head when he went and tried to trade with a guy who was a world champ boxer, who was known for deceptive quickness, along with knockout power.

Sylvia, was simply cocky.

Maybe Penn would be too, but Penn is known to be a brilliant fighter, even though he is Hawaiian and probably couldn't fill in the answers of a childrens practice mathbook.

Dynamite Kid

01-06-2010, 03:45 AM

I think the thing is, Mercer has dangerous power.. He catches either of the Klitcho's clean with those gloves, they are out cold.

Sylvia isn't the smartest tool in the shed, I don't know what was going through his head when he went and tried to trade with a guy who was a world champ boxer, who was known for deceptive quickness, along with knockout power.

Sylvia, was simply cocky.

Maybe Penn would be too, but Penn is known to be a brilliant fighter, even though he is Hawaiian and probably couldn't fill in the answers of a childrens practice mathbook.

:lol:

I agree Sylvia isn't the smartest tool in the shed. And Tim doesn't have the best chin to be standing in front of an ex world Boxing champ like that. He's been dropped a few times before the Mercer fight. Tim was just a knockout waiting to happen that night. Penn would not make this mistake.

Dave_j1985

01-06-2010, 03:51 AM

I think the thing is, Mercer has dangerous power.. He catches either of the Klitcho's clean with those gloves, they are out cold.

Sylvia isn't the smartest tool in the shed, I don't know what was going through his head when he went and tried to trade with a guy who was a world champ boxer, who was known for deceptive quickness, along with knockout power.

Sylvia, was simply cocky.

Maybe Penn would be too, but Penn is known to be a brilliant fighter, even though he is Hawaiian and probably couldn't fill in the answers of a childrens practice mathbook.

I doubt anybody would come in over confident in a fight against Mayweather, but I think he'd have the right gameplan. I think he has a better chance in the stand up against Floyd than people think, remember all the other tools he can utilize like legs kicks, thai clinches and dirty boxing, what would Floyd's answer to this be?

Rooney

01-06-2010, 04:31 AM

This is a retarded thread.

The Priest

01-06-2010, 05:21 AM

:lol: he would hav to have a lidel type takedown defence but i dont fink so so no chance

snakey112

01-06-2010, 05:32 AM

Thoughts?

not a chance in hell

Popkins

01-06-2010, 05:58 AM

Thoughts?

I am a huge boxing fan, and only a relatively new/casual fan of MMA, but anyone thinking a boxer could beat a Mixed Martial Artist in an MMA fight is - :rasta

Floyd would indeed have much better boxing skills than BJ, but what would that matter when the bell rings, BJ takes him down immediately, then either GnP's him into next week, or takes his arm home as a back-scratcher??

In a boxing ring, a good boxer outclasses and embarrasses a good Mixed Martial Artist.

In an MMA fight, a good Mixed Martial Artist demolishes a good boxer.

End silly thread here.

196osh

01-06-2010, 06:11 AM

takes his arm home as a back-scratcher??

.

:yep

dublynflya

01-06-2010, 07:50 AM

I think they're all tough. There really isn't two ways about it. I think mentally, both sports are equally challenging. One thing to note though, I think MMA is more challenging on lower levels such as amateur/young pro. Because you don't need a lot of skill for MMA to hurt. Knee to the face or a kick to the liver is going to hurt like a motherfucker even if you're not as good at technique. On the other hand it cancels out through wrestling and you don't need to get punched/kicked at ALL in some cases.

But to get to the top of both sports you have to be equally tough.

Agreed!!

dublynflya

01-06-2010, 07:51 AM

Well tough can is determined in different ways. I actually believe it just depends.

Example. Boxer: Arturo Gatti (R.I.P.) A true throw back fighter. A fighter that could take punishment and dish out some of his own. A fighter that was based on heart and used it to win alot of fights.

Example. MMA Fighter: Big NOG. You can say he's an MMA version of Gatti. He takes punishment and his determination and heart pulls him through more times than not. He's won alot of fights because of his heart and courage.

I judge toughness based on how much punishment a fighter can take. Alot of people judge toughness off a fighter being macho, but anyone can do that.

Example. Bob Sapp. His last name fits him perfectly. He sure LOOKS like a tough guy, he ACTS like a tough guy, pretty much plays the bully role, and gets his ass kicked.

Example. Manny Pacquiao: Doesn't act or put up a front for anything. He's a perfect example of a gentleman athlete that embodies sportsmanship. Can take an ass whipping and can knock your head into tomorrow.

:good An excellent analysis!!

Baldrick

01-06-2010, 08:05 AM

Bruce Lee beats both at the same time.

cloud_cyc

01-06-2010, 08:41 AM

Even if Floyd hit him clean BJ would still win.

what i mean is a clean KO punch.. it's not like floyd has ZERO power. he has decent to good power IMO, it was just that his defensive boxing style doesnt showcase much of his power.

Mrboogie23

01-06-2010, 09:04 AM

no.

Drunkenboxer

01-06-2010, 09:11 AM

I have a mental picture of Penn foolishly trying to strike with Mayweather... :think

ufoalf

01-06-2010, 09:57 AM

I have a mental picture of Penn foolishly trying to strike with Mayweather... :think

I'm sure he'll change his mind withing half a minute of striking with PBF.

Polymath

01-06-2010, 10:21 AM

REgulars are trolling now? This forum is dead.

chimba

01-06-2010, 10:23 AM

Floyd would win hands down. BJ will be so weakened by the blood tests he wont have the energy to take Floyd down.

BewareofDawg

01-06-2010, 10:57 AM

Floyd would win hands down. BJ will be so weakened by the blood tests he wont have the energy to take Floyd down.
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

BewareofDawg

01-06-2010, 10:58 AM

Actually BJ, I'm sure, agrees with Floyd over this. He accused GSP of the same shit. For which he was definitely right, there is no way in holy hell that GSP is not on HGH.

Bill Butcher

01-06-2010, 10:58 AM

Thoughts?

No.

Like any boxer, he has a punchers chance but if he doesnt hit Penn on the way in, he is getting took down, pummelled & submitted..... simple.

BITCH ASS

01-06-2010, 11:55 AM

You question a man's toughness who has dedicated his life to hand to hand combat??? When Floyd was coming up he took on all challenges, for years calling out Hoya and Mosley. That's how boxing works dude. You struggle your ass off, blood sweat and tears (literally), to get to the top and many never ever get there. Once you are on top, you have the luxury (I call it a luxury but you still have to fight for a living) to pick and choose money fights. You can balance risk and reward. Only a fucking moron would not understand this. Mosley is tough as nails but he is calling out Manny...for MONEY! Hopkins fought Hoya.....for MONEY! Hopkins aint trying to fight Dawson right now, he's looking for money fights. Oscar wasn't trying to fight Winky, he was looking for high reward, low risk. Calzaghe fought Roy Jones's corpse and Peter Manfredo for money and exposure in America. It is how the sport is structured. Didn't Floyd break his hand in the first Castillo fight and another fight and still finish? Yeah that boy lacks toughness :patsch

Mother fucker, I don't give a shit what you say, Floyd is not as Tough as James Toney.

James Toney is a REAL mother fucker.

BewareofDawg

01-06-2010, 12:43 PM

Mother fucker, I don't give a shit what you say, Floyd is not as Tough as James Toney.

James Toney is a REAL mother fucker.
Way to act mature kiddo, and you have absolutely no basis to prove how tough Floyd is or isn't. So you should just stop questioning anybody's toughness, ok pumpkin? :good

BITCH ASS

01-06-2010, 12:50 PM

Way to act mature kiddo, and you have absolutely no basis to prove how tough Floyd is or isn't. So you should just stop questioning anybody's toughness, ok pumpkin? :good

James Toney is probably the hardest mother fucker in the sport. PERIOD.

Floyd acts gangsta James IS gangsta.

ravtrav

01-06-2010, 01:01 PM

As stated- Floyd has as much chance at beating BJ in MMA as BJ has a chance at beating Floyd in boxing.

Rudyard

01-06-2010, 02:56 PM

Mother fucker, I don't give a shit what you say, Floyd is not as Tough as James Toney.

James Toney is a REAL mother fucker.
Who fucking cares about that shit...You're always looking for ways to hate...Nobody cares about the pointless shit!

Why dont you prove how tough you are since you like to pass judgement on people...You're no better than the people you're talking about...Hell, at least Floyd had the balls to become a fighter...you on the other hand just sit your bitchass (no pun intended:lol:) in front of a computer screen bitching and griping about absolutely nothing...Why dont you take a look at the man in the mirror and try to fix him (meaning you dummy) instead of stressing yoursefl out over jack shit...You're a fucking joke...Show me film of you fighting a trained fighter then you may have a little lead way to talk..Until then, you're nothing more than a bitchass computer, keyboard warrior!:good

Weak ass boy!:rofl

BewareofDawg

01-06-2010, 03:30 PM

James Toney is probably the hardest mother fucker in the sport. PERIOD.

Floyd acts gangsta James IS gangsta.
Ok, I never once said Toney wasn't "gangsta" or "hard" or tough dude. You just never know a guys limits until you see him tested and break. We saw Floyd tested when he broke his hand in a fight and he finished, and won. We have never seen him tested so as far as we know there are no limits to his toughness, right? But people are so quick to dismiss his toughness. It doesn't make sense.

Spunik

01-06-2010, 04:04 PM

Much better wrestlers than Cintron have been totally outwrestled by Penn.

Honestly, kill yourself.

Kermit's specialty is boxing.

chimba

01-06-2010, 05:27 PM

Actually BJ, I'm sure, agrees with Floyd over this. He accused GSP of the same shit. For which he was definitely right, there is no way in holy hell that GSP is not on HGH.

I agree GSPs on something but so is 90% of MMA'ers. No way in hell a Hawaiian takes Floyds side over this. BJs already stated that hes a huge Pac fan and tries to emulate his boxing style.

Besides BJ fought GSP even after his allegations.

BewareofDawg

01-06-2010, 05:33 PM

I agree GSPs on something but so is 90% of MMA'ers. No way in hell a Hawaiian takes Floyds side over this. BJs already stated that hes a huge Pac fan and tries to emulate his boxing style.

Besides BJ fought GSP even after his allegations.
No, I know dude. I'm not singling out St Pierre, they are all on it expect for maybe BJ. Yeah I know BJ is a huge Pac fan.

Bill Butcher

01-06-2010, 06:55 PM

Bill Butcher

01-06-2010, 07:00 PM

As stated- Floyd has as much chance at beating BJ in MMA as BJ has a chance at beating Floyd in boxing.

No, Floyd has a punchers chance in an MMA fight, Penn has NO chance in a boxing match.

Id bet very big on Penn in an MMA fight.... Id bet my fuckin LIFE on Mayweather in a boxing match... by Bill Butcher.

Copy & paste that shit, any sensible cunt will agree.

chimba

01-06-2010, 07:06 PM

No, I know dude. I'm not singling out St Pierre, they are all on it expect for maybe BJ. Yeah I know BJ is a huge Pac fan.

Someone big, I think Lyoto for sure, the guy grabs Rashad and throws him like a fucking dummy? This is the same Rashad that was slamming Thiago at will.

I used to think BJ but I noticed him lately, unless hes really training better but he's looking very solid and his cardio problems have been non existent. I remember him against Sherk and Stevenson, he could barely raise his arms up after the fight.

At the end of the day, you cant stop PEDs especially if the reward outweighs the risk.

Old Cat

01-06-2010, 07:52 PM

Are we talking about the same Penn who quit because GSP Jabbed him a few times?

Jabs for cripes sake. LOL LOL Jabs

196osh

01-06-2010, 07:54 PM

Are we talking about the same Penn who quit because GSP Jabbed him a few times?

Jabs for cripes sake. LOL LOL Jabs

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rekcutnevets

01-06-2010, 08:52 PM

A puncher's chance varies with different match-ups.

BJ Penn has a good chin. Penn's thick neck for his size, and thick jaw, suggested this before proving it in a bout.

An accurate, flush landing, shot can end a fight. Mayweather is accurate and fast.

This is not a match that favors the puncher.

Penn is a world class grappler, and would likely pursue a fight there if tagged. Mayweather has no grappling credentials, and Penn would be more than willing to pull guard if his take down attempts were somehow thwarted. I don't think that Penn would need to pull guard, just presenting the possibility.

Until Mayweather shows some sort of grappling knowledge, I really can't see this fight lasting more than a minute.

Tyson would have a better chance againt Fedor than Mayweather against Penn.

Beebs

01-07-2010, 02:41 AM

what i mean is a clean KO punch.. it's not like floyd has ZERO power. he has decent to good power IMO, it was just that his defensive boxing style doesnt showcase much of his power.

BJ has more chin than Floyd does power.

Polymath

01-07-2010, 05:53 AM

No, Floyd has a punchers chance in an MMA fight, Penn has NO chance in a boxing match.

Id bet very big on Penn in an MMA fight.... Id bet my fuckin LIFE on Mayweather in a boxing match... by Bill Butcher.

Copy & paste that shit, any sensible cunt will agree.

Yeh right pal, like Penn has ever seen speed like da Pretty Boys.

You think Penn breaks Mays shell with them pucnhes you crazy.

achillesthegreat

01-07-2010, 06:27 AM

No, Floyd has a punchers chance in an MMA fight, Penn has NO chance in a boxing match.

Id bet very big on Penn in an MMA fight.... Id bet my fuckin LIFE on Mayweather in a boxing match... by Bill Butcher.

Copy & paste that shit, any sensible cunt will agree.

That is the truth. Floyd is so fast and good that he could tag BJ before it gets to the ground. If it was boxing, then BJ would be embarassed.

theHawtness

01-07-2010, 06:52 AM

Thoughts?
no. the fight would never happen. he would duck bj, kenny, diego and fight guida.:deal

theHawtness

01-07-2010, 07:15 AM

Popkins

01-07-2010, 08:44 AM

I don't give Mayweather a fucking prayer in an MMA fight versus Penn, no matter how you rationalize it. Anyone who does simply doesn't grasp how great the skill of Penn is. Is he such a 'tard that he will try to stand with one of the most skilful boxers on the planet? Obviously not. He will take him down within seconds, and that's the fight over. It's fucking BJ we are talking about here, if he wants to take a rank novice down, he will do so IMMEDIATELY. The only boxer in the world you would give even a prayer, a puncher's chance, of knocking him out before he manages to secure the takedown would be a boxer with extreme one-punch knockout power, and that is NOT Floyd, again no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. Penn has a proven granite chin, no chance would Floyd knock him cold with a single shot, no matter how swift or accurate it was. Penn has went the distance with Lyoto Machida, he has proven to have an iron chin over years and years of taking shots from beasts wearing mma gloves. Sorry dudes, but Floyd doesn't have even a tiny glimmer of possibility in this one, and anyone who thinks so needs to have a look in the mirror.

I'd give Shane Mosley a better chance than Floyd because he has the venom in his punches that Floyd doesn't have, but the chance is still so microscopic I wouldn't recognize it as even existing. The very idea that an MMA ATG Zen Master like BJ Penn doesn't know how to take down an mma rank novice without taking a clean full-blooded punch to the head is just beyond ludicrous.

codeman99998

01-07-2010, 11:19 AM

Even if Floyd NAILED Penn on his first punch and dropped Penn, which doesn't seem likely at all, he still has to knock him out cold to win the fight. Penn could butt-scoot for christ's sakes then pull guard and win. If Floyd follows even a very very very badly damaged Penn to the ground to finish him off he loses.

Sloth

01-07-2010, 12:28 PM

First off, Floyd would duck penn so there is no need to speculate. But if it happened, Penn would take Floyd down then dismantle him quickly.

Beebs

01-07-2010, 01:47 PM

First off, Floyd would duck penn so there is no need to speculate. But if it happened, Penn would take Floyd down then dismantle him quickly.

BJ would be fine with blood testing, his only stipulation would be half the blood provided is available for him to drink and/or lick off his gloves.

Dynamite Kid

01-07-2010, 02:50 PM

BJ would be fine with blood testing, his only stipulation would be half the blood provided is available for him to drink and/or lick off his gloves.

:lol:

neil hibbert

01-07-2010, 04:56 PM

shocking thread

snakey112

01-07-2010, 10:21 PM

No, Floyd has a punchers chance in an MMA fight, Penn has NO chance in a boxing match.

Id bet very big on Penn in an MMA fight.... Id bet my fuckin LIFE on Mayweather in a boxing match... by Bill Butcher.

Copy & paste that shit, any sensible cunt will agree.

just like Penn has no chance in a wrestling match against a world class wrestler while a world class wrestler has a very slight chance in an MMA fight against penn

pugilist_boyd

01-09-2010, 11:22 PM

this has to be a joke penn whithin 2 minutes

demzor

01-10-2010, 01:27 AM

BJ chokes out blackbelts like it aint no thang...

He would finish Floyd quickly.

Flexb

01-10-2010, 01:31 AM

how can anyone even answer this post seriously?

Sweet Pea

01-10-2010, 01:51 AM

just like Penn has no chance in a wrestling match against a world class wrestler while a world class wrestler has a very slight chance in an MMA fight against pennThe world class wrestler would have absolutely no chance, unless he was fantastic in a multitude of other areas of combat. Even then, he'd probably lose, simply because BJ is phenomenal at so many aspects.

PH|LLA

01-10-2010, 03:33 AM

impossible. Floyd is not hard to get into a clinch. Once that happens the fight is over. + the 4oz gloves on Floyd's brittle hands is a no-no anyways and BJ Penn is what a 155lb-170lb fighter? Its not like Floyd will knock him out in one punch is it?

Penn has more chances against Floyd in a boxing match than vice-versa. Which isn't saying much cause he has no chance in hell.

Spunik

05-02-2010, 11:34 PM

Bump....

Could Floyd beat Frankie Edgar in an MMA match?

BoxingFanNo1

05-02-2010, 11:41 PM

Penn would take Mosley, Pac and Floyd on the same night one after the other, lets get real here.

snakey112

05-03-2010, 01:34 AM

Bump....

Could Floyd beat Frankie Edgar in an MMA match?

frankie would take him down and pound him out in 2 minutes

WiDDoW_MaKeR

05-03-2010, 02:38 AM

But Floyd is the P4P number one boxer.... people are forgetting that...he's just much more of an athlete than BJ Penn....he's slick, quick and would be taggin BJ all day and doin the shoulder roll....
How do you shoulder roll a rear naked choke?

Mayweather wouldn't stand a chance.

eltorrente

05-03-2010, 04:22 AM

8 pages now?

Floyd would be destroyed in about 26 seconds.

196osh

05-03-2010, 05:58 AM

How do you shoulder roll a rear naked choke?

.

:yep

boxingcar

05-03-2010, 07:38 AM

Thoughts?

Only if Penn is stupid enough to (try) outstrike Mayweather. But in a normal situation , under mma rules... As soon as Both are in the clinch...Mayweather goes to the ground and gets subbed.

Floyd would have a puncher's chance.

achillesthegreat

05-03-2010, 08:09 AM

Floyd walks around at at least 20 pounds less than BJ! We should be talking about Floyd vs Aldo, Faber and Brown. Even they probably walk around heavier than Floyd.

196osh

05-03-2010, 08:18 AM

Aldo would beat the piss out of Floyd standing up.

James23

05-03-2010, 08:57 AM

LOL! How this thread went beyond page 1 is fascinating.

Iceman778

05-04-2010, 03:31 AM

who is going to kill this thread

coog

05-04-2010, 08:19 AM

Penn has never fought a slick elusive fighter like Money May
He fought machida and did lose but by decision i believe

cowboyjackson

05-04-2010, 10:31 AM

Are you talking shit deliberately or just dumb?

:good

Surely, no human being that has ever existed could be so dumb tbh matel! So the TS is obviously just a sad, pathetic creation, trolling for some much needed attention (The fucking loser).

cowboyjackson

05-04-2010, 10:32 AM

who is going to kill this thread

I would rather someone killed the TS!!

cloud_cyc

05-04-2010, 10:55 AM

a KO artist - boxer would have a good chance to win an MMA match. but you're talking to a top MMA fighter against a defensive boxer. shoulder roll ain't gonna work against a leg kick or a takedown.

T.C.W

05-05-2010, 05:17 AM

snakey112

05-05-2010, 05:34 AM

there are other boxers that would transition to mma better than floyd would

coog

05-05-2010, 09:33 AM

there are other boxers that would transition to mma better than floyd would
I think that Floyd would transition very well because of his ability to move, and counter give angles, not stay in the pocket and get taken down

196osh

05-05-2010, 09:49 AM

I think that Floyd would transition very well because of his ability to move, and counter give angles, not stay in the pocket and get taken down

His stance is horrific for mma. He is ripe to get single leged and get the crap kicked out of his front leg.

If he changed his stance his technique would have to change.

Mayweather has also never even tried to defend a takedown. Movment does not stop takedowns from a good wrestler... or even get near stopping them.

Spunik

05-05-2010, 01:03 PM

I think that Floyd would transition very well because of his ability to move, and counter give angles, not stay in the pocket and get taken down

If you were not a really good takedown artist or not a really good kickboxer, I could see how Floyd could create some problems.

James23

05-05-2010, 01:46 PM

How in the fuck hell is this thread still going?

Wilhelm

05-05-2010, 03:02 PM

If you were not a really good takedown artist or not a really good kickboxer, I could see how Floyd could create some problems.

You don't need to be a "really good takedown artist", you just need to be better at it than the other guys is as stopping takedowns.

Seriously dude, go and try it. I've said this a hundred times in these threads that if you actually to and try this stuff you'll appreciate both sports more and find them more enjoyable to watch. Adding kicks and takedowns very drastically changes the way you punch, the way you stand, the way you balance, the way you defend punches etc etc. You can't just picture PBF or Toney in a boxing ring, give them smaller gloves and assume that they're going to do the same stuff in a cage that the do in that ring. There is no worse style of boxing for going into MMA than the Toney/PBF style. Someone like Mayorga who is more square and has more power is a much better style to morph into an MMA style than a style that depends on standing in the pocket turned to the side hiding behind a shoulder with your leg hanging out to be kicked or grabbed.

charlievint

05-05-2010, 07:13 PM

Thoughts?

Not at this time. maybe if Floyd spent a good amount of time training in MMA he'd have a shot. The only shot he'd have to win now would be if BJ decided to stand up with him.....which Penn is smarter than that. He'd take him to the ground and submit him.

doubleplaidinum

05-05-2010, 11:35 PM

nope. floyd would break his hands on bj's chin.

James23

05-06-2010, 04:57 PM

Make...this...thread...DIE!

Spunik

05-06-2010, 05:00 PM

You don't need to be a "really good takedown artist", you just need to be better at it than the other guys is as stopping takedowns.

Seriously dude, go and try it. I've said this a hundred times in these threads that if you actually to and try this stuff you'll appreciate both sports more and find them more enjoyable to watch. Adding kicks and takedowns very drastically changes the way you punch, the way you stand, the way you balance, the way you defend punches etc etc. You can't just picture PBF or Toney in a boxing ring, give them smaller gloves and assume that they're going to do the same stuff in a cage that the do in that ring. There is no worse style of boxing for going into MMA than the Toney/PBF style. Someone like Mayorga who is more square and has more power is a much better style to morph into an MMA style than a style that depends on standing in the pocket turned to the side hiding behind a shoulder with your leg hanging out to be kicked or grabbed.

We're going to see Mayorga and Toney soon enough....

Spunik

05-07-2010, 10:55 AM

You don't need to be a "really good takedown artist", you just need to be better at it than the other guys is as stopping takedowns.

Seriously dude, go and try it. I've said this a hundred times in these threads that if you actually to and try this stuff you'll appreciate both sports more and find them more enjoyable to watch. Adding kicks and takedowns very drastically changes the way you punch, the way you stand, the way you balance, the way you defend punches etc etc. You can't just picture PBF or Toney in a boxing ring, give them smaller gloves and assume that they're going to do the same stuff in a cage that the do in that ring. There is no worse style of boxing for going into MMA than the Toney/PBF style. Someone like Mayorga who is more square and has more power is a much better style to morph into an MMA style than a style that depends on standing in the pocket turned to the side hiding behind a shoulder with your leg hanging out to be kicked or grabbed.

I know a bit about takedowns from wrestling in highschool. In two matches against 2 guys with six state titles between them I was taken down once and had one take down. One of these guys ended up a Big Ten Champ at the same weight I wrestled him. The other was a four year starter at a division one powerhouse... So at the highschool level I could hang on my feet. :good