What Specifically gives Pavlik his Power ?

[Peterp]

The fight on the weekend was really proof that physique has nothing to do with power.

Analyzing Kelly's right hand carefully, what aspects of it give him the power ?

It doesn't seem excessively fast, i think he sits down on it well meaning he drives his hips into the punch. His timing is decent but not amazing

What else makes him so powerful ?

[Relentless]

pavlik was born with dynamites on both hands, but he did do alot to improve his power, he hit tyres with sledgehammers, flipped tires, pushed cars, lifted weights, hit the bag.....

[RDJ]

pavlik was born with dynamites on both hands, but he did do alot to improve his power, he hit tyres with sledgehammers, flipped tires, pushed cars, lifted weights, hit the bag.....

I think punching technique deserves a mention as well ;)

[Lostmykeys]

God, not here too.

[T.C.W]

The man up stairs

[Relentless]

I think punching technique deserves a mention as well ;)

actually i'm not too sure about that, he is pretty wild, he is a natural born puncher, he probably would have hit hard without really focusing on technique, like sam peter.

[Butch Coolidge]

The way I understand it is that Pavlik started out as a so-so puncher when he was very young and one day, practically overnight, he started throwing wiked dynamite punches which IMO means that he finally figured out his punching distance. After you've boxed for a while you might figure out that there's a specific distance in your punching range where everything is at 100%. I'll give you a hint; I discovered mine when I was trying NOT to hurt my sparring partners. I thought, maybe if I catch him on kind of the end of my punches it won't hurt him and I can up the speed and intensity of sparring. One connect on the end of my punch and lights out. You can play around with the handpads and see what I'm talking about.

[cross_trainer]

I think punching technique deserves a mention as well ;)

Don't believe in it.

Fighting ability is directly correlated to squat poundage.

[gregsid]

You wana know the secret?
Train till you can't move anymore. If you can still move then you didn't train hard enough.

[JMonster]

his raw strenghth and technique...he trains like they did in the older days which gives him that type of strength

[achillesthegreat]

He is naturally very heavy handed. He gets good leverage on his punch and when he doesn't he still has heavy hands because of the shots stability. This is even when he'll throw a punch technically incorrect.

[RDJ]

actually i'm not too sure about that, he is pretty wild, he is a natural born puncher, he probably would have hit hard without really focusing on technique, like sam peter.

I haven't watched much of him but his straight right looked decent, technique wise.

[RDJ]

Don't believe in it.

Fighting ability is directly correlated to squat poundage.

Oh god... here's that cross training guy again with his bullshit. Follow me here. Squatting gives you muscle. Muscle gets in the way when you punch, your bones cannot move freely anymore if there is muscle in the way. I had all muscle surgically removed from my arms and I hit like a mule now.

[Bobby]

power(fast twitch fibers) are genetic, they can be trained but if you have no power while you will improve with proper training you will never be a power hitter, just like a marathon runner with sprint training will never be a top sprinter

[Ethan Trims]

Oh god... here's that cross training guy again with his bullshit. Follow me here. Squatting gives you muscle. Muscle gets in the way when you punch, your bones cannot move freely anymore if there is muscle in the way. I had all muscle surgically removed from my arms and I hit like a mule now.

i really hope you are joking

[viru§™]

i really hope you are joking
I think "I had all muscle surgically removed from my arms and I hit like a mule now." gave it away.

[cross_trainer]

Oh god... here's that cross training guy again with his bullshit. Follow me here. Squatting gives you muscle. Muscle gets in the way when you punch, your bones cannot move freely anymore if there is muscle in the way. I had all muscle surgically removed from my arms and I hit like a mule now.

What nonsense.

It's well known that it's MUSCLES that generate force, while bones are just dead weight. After my skeleton removal operation, I'm ten times the puncher I was before.

[Ethan Trims]

I think "I had all muscle surgically removed from my arms and I hit like a mule now." gave it away.

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MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGG

[Relentless]

He turns into his shot and punches not at his target but through it,like slamming a door shut.

not really...

[Relentless]

Yes really!

almost all boxers turn into their shots and try to 'punch through' their oponents like a door slam.

[viru§™]

almost all boxers turn into their shots and try to 'punch through' their oponents like a door slam.
Almost all? Isn't aiming through the target one of the most important factors of a good punch?

[Relentless]

Almost all? Isn't aiming through the target one of the most important factors of a good punch?

when beginners are taught this they tend to push the bag with their punch.

[doublesuited]

Pavlik is so ugly that people would rather lay on the canvas than have to stand up straight and look him in the face.

[emanuel_augustus]

Height, long limbs translate into more leverage and thus more punching power if punches are thrown with proper technique and timing. Pavlik has it.

[LoBlow]

Ahhh the poor misguided or just plain ignorant?

There is nothing special about Pavlik that gives him power, he is a boxer and he trains to punch and be effective at it

Every man woman and child has the ability to knock someone out, a knock out is not only dependent on the person throwing the punch, the opponent also has a lot to do with the end results of said punch


For example line 6 boxers up in a straight line evenly spaced, punch each one of them with the same power punch, and techniqie also and make sure the punch lands in the very same location on all the boxers.

I gurantee you that they all if any do not get knocked out

[Butch Coolidge]

Why can Tiger Woods scald a golf ball so hard? He has a physique that allows him to do it and the discipline to develop the technical ability to do it.

Still finding one's punching range is a great key to improving punching effectiveness.

[LoBlow]

Golf? thats the best you can do? I think Tiger does what he does because he has been doing it since he was a child, it has nothing to do with his body type

[pit]

Speed, punching power, the ability to absorb punishment or quick reflex,are all natural ability that some fighter are born with . There is no secret for developing punching power , or any of the other attribute mentioned above the only thing you can do is practice your skill as a pro boxer or armature practitioner and have good skills .

So stop asking the stupid questions like how so and so has so much power?

[LoBlow]

Pit, I am glad to know that someone else see things they way I do on this topic, most of the questions here amaze me really

[Ethan Trims]

Height, long limbs translate into more leverage and thus more punching power if punches are thrown with proper technique and timing. Pavlik has it.

Thats not really true about leverage. look at marciano, one of the shortest limbed, and height fighters of all time and he had great punching power. and vice versa i can name plenty of tall lanky fighters who couldnt crack a eggshell.

[LoBlow]

Thats not really true about leverage.

I agree with you, most peeps here post their unsupported opinions like it was fact, Tyson did not have long limbs and did not rely on leverages

Once again, there is no magic secret to a KO, it happens when it happens, and like I said before the opponent plays an important role in the KO also

[Butch Coolidge]

Golf? thats the best you can do? I think Tiger does what he does because he has been doing it since he was a child, it has nothing to do with his body type


You do not think that having the leg strength and core muscles that allow him, or another hard hitter in any striking sport, to accelerate through the hitting motion faster than others provides him with an advantage? If you let me watch a dozen young golfers and a dozen young batters I can guarantee you I will tell you which ones would be a slugger if they started boxing.

[Butch Coolidge]

I agree with you, most peeps here post their unsupported opinions like it was fact, Tyson did not have long limbs and did not rely on leverages

Once again, there is no magic secret to a KO, it happens when it happens, and like I said before the opponent plays an important role in the KO also

Oh yes Tyson did have leverage same as Tua and Frazier they put their legs, backs and hips into their punches. Tyson always had a good bend in his knees when he was throwing his "hydrogen bombs". Those guys definitely weren't arm punchers.

[LoBlow]

You do not think that having the leg strength and core muscles that allow him, or another hard hitter in any striking sport,


Yo don't get it twisted, I am sure you impress the mere noobs with your text here, I am aware of the the techniques used to deliver a punch

I can care less about Tiger woods and your golf analogy, anyone that spends enough time applying them selves to hitting a ball in a hole can be good regardless of body type

What I am saying is that besides the basics of learning to box and knowing how to deliver a punch, there is no magical secret to knocking out some one, the ability to knock someone out is not something that a chosen few possess, and the rest will never be able to so they come on a forum full of posers seeking the magical answer

We all have the ability to knock some one out, but there are others factors that come into play besides having some special ability over all others

[Mikro]

Yo don't get it twisted, I am sure you impress the mere noobs with your text here, I am aware of the the techniques used to deliver a punch

I can care less about Tiger woods and your golf analogy, anyone that spends enough time applying them selves to hitting a ball in a hole can be good regardless of body type

What I am saying is that besides the basics of learning to box and knowing how to deliver a punch, there is no magical secret to knocking out some one, the ability to knock someone out is not something that a chosen few possess, and the rest will never be able to so they come on a forum full of posers seeking the magical answer

We all have the ability to knock some one out, but there are others factors that come into play besides having some special ability over all others

I don't think anyone asked for a magical secret. Pavlik has good power, its not a stupid question to ask why. Especially if you're a boxer interested in developing your own power. And if you do think it's a stupid question why not just stay out of the thread and be an obnoxious prick somewhere else?

[LoBlow]

What Specifically gives Pavlik his Power ?

yeah yeah smart boy, the starter of this thread might not have asked for the magical secret but he was seeking the specific thing that gives Pavlik power

[Mikro]

Thats what I just said... if you're trying to develope your own skills shouldn't you look at the people who excel at what youre trying to do and breakdown specific things they do that maybe give them an edge?

For example, Kelly usually takes small steps. This helps him keep his balance and put good power into his shots. Thats something specific that someone boxing could keep in mind to improve their own punching.

You yourself talk about developing technique... what do you think that means if not looking at specific aspects of the process and working to improve them?

[LoBlow]

What works for Pavlik will not necessarily work for some one else, although I do agree with you to a certain extent about watching and learning from those who do it well

Yes I talk about developing technique but unlike you and the other sheep, I do not mean developing techniques based upon others

To me developing ones technique is done by studying yourself and knowing what you can and cannot do due to your attributes and many other factors, then taking that information and working and perfecting things such as offense, defense, punching combos, feet spacing, other bodily movements
that will benifit you

[Mikro]

What works for Pavlik will not necessarily work for some one else, although I do agree with you to a certain extent about watching and learning from those who do it well

Yes I talk about developing technique but unlike you and the other sheep, I do not mean developing techniques based upon others

To me developing ones technique is done by studying yourself and knowing what you can and cannot do due to your attributes and many other factors, then taking that information and working and perfecting things such as offense, defense, punching combos, feet spacing, other bodily movements
that will benifit you

Right... well congratulations but really who gives a f-ck? You do your thing and reinvent boxing theory. The rest of us will learn from people who know what they're doing.

My only point was that your comments were rude and made you sound ignorant while also lowering the value of this thread to any reader. This forum is for people to ask questions and get information... why are you even here, you can just learn everything you need to know watching yourself shadowbox.

[LoBlow]

it was not my intention to be rude and I am far from ignorant, your lack of understanding the Queens English makes you think that way

As for the Value of this thread and forum, how could it be any lower? the questions asked here are no intelligent and if most took the time to use theirs though processor the would not even type the question in the first place,

As for the asking questions and then getting informations, thats the troubling part, for you see no one here is an authority and the just give their uneducated opinions, which the end result just further pushes the ignorance

As to your question as to why am I even here, I am here for the amusements

[Butch Coolidge]

I can care less about Tiger woods and your golf analogy, anyone that spends enough time applying them selves to hitting a ball in a hole can be good regardless of body type




Being good at it and being great at it are two different things. Even Chris Byrd and Sven Ottke have KO victories but they weren't like Mike Tyson and Kostya Tzsyu hitting opponents so hard they flopped across the ring and started doing the infamous chicken dance.

I do agree with you that anybody can have a KO punch but some boxers are just naturals at it. Tommy Hearns had what I'd call rangy leverage that gave him a lot of power at a certain distance while Mike Tyson and Joe Frazier had power in short punches that came from their legs, glutes, obliques and back being torqued into their punches.

I also have to mention one thing that seldom is mentioned in terms of punching power accuracy

The punches that aren't seen, that land right on a KO point are the real killers, even if they aren't necessarily the hardest punch thrown in the fight. I think that's a big reason why the left hook thrown countering a right hand or a right hand coming over a left hook often end boxing matches.

[LoBlow]

Yeah Butch I am hearing you man! I am glad you mentioned accuracy for I also forgot to mention that

Punches that are not seen are by far the worst and would yield higher KO results, this is very true, if one sees the punch coming or the intentions he has the ability to brace and or prepare for the impact, but those that are stealth leave one no time to prepare and can do more damage to the unsuspected

[Relentless]

pimp sauce.....

[LoBlow]

I did not want to mention the pimp Sauce, because Pavlik is a Caucasian, and he does not seem to possess pimpability aspects

But yes indeed Pimp Sauce is the main ingredient in a sever KO punch

[Grebfan9]

I agree with you on the physique thing. Danny (Little Red) Lopez
was a skinny guy, yet he punched with awesome power.

Bob Foster comes to mind as well. Leverage and timing!!!


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The fight on the weekend was really proof that physique has nothing to do with power.

Analyzing Kelly's right hand carefully, what aspects of it give him the power ?

It doesn't seem excessively fast, i think he sits down on it well meaning he drives his hips into the punch. His timing is decent but not amazing

What else makes him so powerful ?

[Mikro]

it was not my intention to be rude and I am far from ignorant, your lack of understanding the Queens English makes you think that way

As for the Value of this thread and forum, how could it be any lower? the questions asked here are no intelligent and if most took the time to use theirs though processor the would not even type the question in the first place,

As for the asking questions and then getting informations, thats the troubling part, for you see no one here is an authority and the just give their uneducated opinions, which the end result just further pushes the ignorance

As to your question as to why am I even here, I am here for the amusements

This is pointless but let me just say this, read your post over and then tell me again why you think you're qualified to question anyone elses intelligence.

[LoBlow]

You are right it and you are pointless!

[ralphc]

The fight on the weekend was really proof that physique has nothing to do with power.

Analyzing Kelly's right hand carefully, what aspects of it give him the power ?

It doesn't seem excessively fast, i think he sits down on it well meaning he drives his hips into the punch. His timing is decent but not amazing

What else makes him so powerful ?


genes

[achillesthegreat]

Power is part of his talent. He has nurtured that talent.

[gatto]

sometimes i feel this training section does more harm than good