why didnt frazier punch ali out in press conference's

[dabox]

why didnt frazier punch ali out in press conference's
there was an interesting thread about how an ali vs tyson press conference would go....

i was one of the people who said that ali took advantage of the fact that fighters in that time were more gentlemen like and did not start fights at press conferences...


so he would talk non stop shit while these guys were looking angry at him for 30 mins.

basically i said that if he did this with tyson or bowe,
he would get punched in the face preety fast, and since ali did not strike as a brawling type, this would send him a nice message....

something like this

You Tube



i think if frazier had taken ali's head off with a left hook while being called a gorilla.....maybe this would have saved a lot of personal headaches.....


it's a good way to shut someone up who tormenting you.....


basically you cant say too much when your handlers are picking you up from the floor and espically if you lost some teeth or got a broke jaw....


basically it is not the nicest thing to do but why just stand there let some guy abuse you. espcially since frazier helped out ali when he was in need etc


i know they had their little wrestling thing on the floor but this is different
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[TommyV]

Because he's a greater professional than Bowe.

If Frazier did that, Ali would of known he'd got to him. And it's even easier to stand-up to a guy who's lashing out because you know you've got the beating of him.

But what do you do when you've got a guy like Frazier, you talk all this horrible shit about him and he just smiles and politely tells you he's going to beat your arse inside the ropes. How do you respond and try and intimidate a guy like that?

[JudgeDredd]

Ali actually squared up to Frazier on a chat show & they had to be seperated. But Frazier had more class than to throw cheap shots at people, even if they were badmouthing him.

[dabox]

ahh well if someone is talking shit in your face, his mouth has started the fight so its not really a cheap.....


he is in your face and is talking shit, one guy punches the other in the face...
that's how fights go, this is not a movie....




having grown up in a bad area and i worked as a bouncer for a long time....this is just how things go....

a cheap shot is when you punch a guy when he does not see it, not 2 guys in each faces....then it's just a matter of time until one hits the other.....


you guys talk about frazier being a bigger professonal then bowe....that's true
but because of his professonalism he let some guy verbally rape him...

a person should be professonal and respectful when the other is professonal and respectful......not to a guy who disresepcting you in every possible way....
uncle tom, a gorilla etc



also about "ohh if i lash out then he must gotten to me"
i dont you would care to much if got to him if you have a broken jaw hahahaha

which a frazier hook would no doubts do

[Bing]

Its not in the street though there promoting a boxing match

[PowerPuncher]

Because in those days a nicca would be banned from the sport and not have a livelyhood. What was the story behind Bowe-Donald?

[dabox]

Its not in the street though there promoting a boxing match


well promoting a match does not mean sounding like a kkk member,
if it's not street then there are limits, you cross those limits then you turn into a street thing....

a person should not have to carry trauma for 35 years hahhaa


basically i think ali took advantage of the times where he could get away with using his big mouth non stop....

to be honest i think in the last 20 years, if he did the same, he would get cracked quite a few times

[KTFO]

Because press conferences were different that era.

[red cobra]

Because Frazier was a holdover from an older and more decent generation of fighters who didn't act lke out of control, wild ass thugs at press conferences and the like..George Foreman, also was of the same ilk as Frazier, for all his implied menace. These guys (Frazier, typically) had too much class and exhibited themselves with more dignity than meatballs like Bowe, Tyson, Zab Judah...and I always liked Lennox Lewis for the cool restraint he exhibited as well, especially when dealing with guys like the aforementioned Bowe, Tyson and that jerk "Has-been Rahman"...I don't know, the thuggish types sure attract their fan-base these days, but I'm sick of them, and I like the "old-school" better. Frazier never belted Ali except in the ring.and that's the only place where it's proper.

[timmers612]

It reminds me of the meetings Pryor and Arguello had before bouts in the ring, Pryor would be loud and in his face, menacing and meaning it, but Alex was such a gentleman, shaking his hand and saying that Pryor was a great champion. You could see how confused Pryor was by this genuine class gentleman.

[Vysotsky]

Frazier obviously had more class than Ali. Would have loved to seen him KO Ali like that though, shut him the fuck up.

Respect to Donald for taking 2 flush bare-fisted shots from Bowe.

[mcvey]

why didnt frazier punch ali out in press conference's
there was an interesting thread about how an ali vs tyson press conference would go....

i was one of the people who said that ali took advantage of the fact that fighters in that time were more gentlemen like and did not start fights at press conferences...


so he would talk non stop shit while these guys were looking angry at him for 30 mins.

basically i said that if he did this with tyson or bowe,
he would get punched in the face preety fast, and since ali did not strike as a brawling type, this would send him a nice message....

something like this

You Tube ([Only registered and activated users can see links])



i think if frazier had taken ali's head off with a left hook while being called a gorilla.....maybe this would have saved a lot of personal headaches.....


it's a good way to shut someone up who tormenting you.....


basically you cant say too much when your handlers are picking you up from the floor and espically if you lost some teeth or got a broke jaw....


basically it is not the nicest thing to do but why just stand there let some guy abuse you. espcially since frazier helped out ali when he was in need etc


i know they had their little wrestling thing on the floor but this is different
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Because he wasnt getting paid to?

[Caponecartels]

Because Frazier was a holdover from an older and more decent generation of fighters who didn't act lke out of control, wild ass thugs at press conferences and the like..George Foreman, also was of the same ilk as Frazier, for all his implied menace. These guys (Frazier, typically) had too much class and exhibited themselves with more dignity than meatballs like Bowe, Tyson, Zab Judah...and I always liked Lennox Lewis for the cool restraint he exhibited as well, especially when dealing with guys like the aforementioned Bowe, Tyson and that jerk "Has-been Rahman"...I don't know, the thuggish types sure attract their fan-base these days, but I'm sick of them, and I like the "old-school" better. Frazier never belted Ali except in the ring.and that's the only place where it's proper.

A perfect post.
Pacquiao is a throwback in this way.

[red cobra]

A perfect post.
Pacquiao is a throwback in this way.
Thank you, and yes...Pac is a true class act.

[Flea Man]

ahh well if someone is talking shit in your face, his mouth has started the fight so its not really a cheap.....


he is in your face and is talking shit, one guy punches the other in the face...
that's how fights go, this is not a movie....




having grown up in a bad area and i worked as a bouncer for a long time....this is just how things go....

a cheap shot is when you punch a guy when he does not see it, not 2 guys in each faces....then it's just a matter of time until one hits the other.....


you guys talk about frazier being a bigger professonal then bowe....that's true
but because of his professonalism he let some guy verbally rape him...

a person should be professonal and respectful when the other is professonal and respectful......not to a guy who disresepcting you in every possible way....
uncle tom, a gorilla etc



also about "ohh if i lash out then he must gotten to me"
i dont you would care to much if got to him if you have a broken jaw hahahaha

which a frazier hook would no doubts do

The General awaits:hi:

Anyway, Ali had as good a chin as Larry Donald, and puncher or not, he was a super fast head hunter, and ungloved would follow suit. I think it would be in nobodies interests to get into a brawl with Ali.

[Flea Man]

Because press conferences were different that era.

The usual shit post from you.

[Bummy Davis]

Because Frazier was a holdover from an older and more decent generation of fighters who didn't act lke out of control, wild ass thugs at press conferences and the like..George Foreman, also was of the same ilk as Frazier, for all his implied menace. These guys (Frazier, typically) had too much class and exhibited themselves with more dignity than meatballs like Bowe, Tyson, Zab Judah...and I always liked Lennox Lewis for the cool restraint he exhibited as well, especially when dealing with guys like the aforementioned Bowe, Tyson and that jerk "Has-been Rahman"...I don't know, the thuggish types sure attract their fan-base these days, but I'm sick of them, and I like the "old-school" better. Frazier never belted Ali except in the ring.and that's the only place where it's proper.


:good

[Bummy Davis]

Bowe hit like a girl with the gloves off and he had 2 clean shots...Donald took them...Class-less

[CF Gauss]

Why isn't anyone bringing up the time Ali was calling Frazier ignorant on Cossell's show, and Frazier stood up and approached Ali, at which point Ali stood up and they wrestled each other to the floor?


I think the incident occurred shortly before their second fight.

[Sayers]

a person should be professonal and respectful when the other is professonal and respectful......not to a guy who disresepcting you in every possible way....
uncle tom, a gorilla etc



With regards to Ali calling him a uncle tom, I remember hearing/reading that Frazier never understood the implications of the insult at the time, ("I thought he was calling me a peeping tom"). When you consider Ali and Frazier's upbringing and even the colour of their skin I think comments like this deserve to blight Ali's reputation a little more. For all his undeniable genius with his fists he has a lot of stains against his gleaming, mythologized public image.

[young griffo]

well promoting a match does not mean sounding like a kkk member,
if it's not street then there are limits, you cross those limits then you turn into a street thing....

a person should not have to carry trauma for 35 years hahhaa


basically i think ali took advantage of the times where he could get away with using his big mouth non stop....

to be honest i think in the last 20 years, if he did the same, he would get cracked quite a few times
I doubt it.

James Toney has an even bigger mouth than Ali did and aside from a minor scuffle with fellow trash talker Hasim Rahman has never been punched out .

The truth is most trash talk is just that...talk.Fighters may act all agitated at press confrences yet come fight time they're invariably cool,calm and collected which shows that most of that stuff is just hyperbole and not taken to heart.

Frazier-Ali is a bit different as Ali insulted Joe on a physical,racial and personal level.As Joe said "How can I be a gorilla when I've got beautiful children of my own" and it hurt even more when his children copped gorilla taunts of their own at school.The fact large sections of the media and public bought into it and laughed it up at Joe's expense must still rankle as well (seeing Ferdie Pacheco trot this same shit out on the recent Manilla doco shows how this mentality permeated Ali's camp)

I love Ali but Joe was a decent man and deserved much,much better than this shit.

[Vysotsky]

The General awaits:hi:

Anyway, Ali had as good a chin as Larry Donald, and puncher or not, he was a super fast head hunter, and ungloved would follow suit. I think it would be in nobodies interests to get into a brawl with Ali.

In general i agree with you, but Joe Frazier strikes me as one of the last guys you'd want to get in a street fight with. He just has that innate grit, determination, and persistance that says "do what you like to me but i'm not going to stop until i put a hole in your fucking face"

[dabox]

Because Frazier was a holdover from an older and more decent generation of fighters who didn't act lke out of control, wild ass thugs at press conferences and the like..George Foreman, also was of the same ilk as Frazier, for all his implied menace. These guys (Frazier, typically) had too much class and exhibited themselves with more dignity than meatballs like Bowe, Tyson, Zab Judah...and I always liked Lennox Lewis for the cool restraint he exhibited as well, especially when dealing with guys like the aforementioned Bowe, Tyson and that jerk "Has-been Rahman"...I don't know, the thuggish types sure attract their fan-base these days, but I'm sick of them, and I like the "old-school" better. Frazier never belted Ali except in the ring.and that's the only place where it's proper.



i agree with you about frazier being a throwback to the gentlemen fighter...

but ali was not and the disrespect he showed frazier was a lot worse then so called thug fighters you mentioned....

why should treat him like a gentlemen he is calling him a walking ape and a race trader etc....much worse then guys zab calling someone a bitch hahaha etc

point is you talk about where it's proper to hit people etc....this does not apply to ali and how he treated frazier

point is he deserved to get punched out and i have no doubts frazier could have done it easily.....

point is fazier's style better for brawls, he had a much rougher life and actually came up the hard way unlike ali who came from a nice middle class peaceful childhood........


point is ali took advantage of all these gentlemen fighters, maybe if these guys acted like the modern "thugs" ali would not have such an easy time tormenting people....

[crippet]

You wouldn't see Frazier stabbing his wife with a fork and kiidnapping his own children.

Bowe proved how time and time again how mentally frail he was stabbing his wife, throwing belts in garbage, lasting 1 week in the marines etc etc etc

Chicken Bowe

[dabox]

i dont what does a scrap at a press conference have to do with being mentally frail lol

his personal problems are something else,

its just that with some peope you cant get away with running your mouth


but then again in your a real tough men lets the other treat him like a bitch....and proves his manhood by doing nothing about it....right?

[Titan1]

With regards to Ali calling him a uncle tom, I remember hearing/reading that Frazier never understood the implications of the insult at the time, ("I thought he was calling me a peeping tom"). When you consider Ali and Frazier's upbringing and even the colour of their skin I think comments like this deserve to blight Ali's reputation a little more. For all his undeniable genius with his fists he has a lot of stains against his gleaming, mythologized public image.

Plus his sexual exploits, which Jim Bronw so specifically described.

[KTFO]

The usual shit post from you.


This post was the official version.

The inofficial version is: Frazier was bound to the script.

Tah-dah

[ChrisPontius]

i dont what does a scrap at a press conference have to do with being mentally frail lol


When you are older you will.

[dabox]

haha maybe its not about being older or younger but knowing that a man should stand up for himself....and not let someone treat you like a bitch....

it doesnt matter if your 13 or 45....


maybe being a man is something you dont really understand.......


i like this new wave thinking.....let the other guy insult you, even slap in the face but since you dont do anything about it....it proves your the bigger more mature man hahahahaha

[janitor]

i like this new wave thinking.....let the other guy insult you, even slap in the face but since you dont do anything about it....it proves your the bigger more mature man hahahahaha

Somtimes it takes the bigger man.

No doubt about it.

[crippet]

haha maybe its not about being older or younger but knowing that a man should stand up for himself....and not let someone treat you like a bitch....

it doesnt matter if your 13 or 45....


maybe being a man is something you dont really understand.......


i like this new wave thinking.....let the other guy insult you, even slap in the face but since you dont do anything about it....it proves your the bigger more mature man hahahahaha


Boxing is a sport, a very disiplined sport - Ali was desperate for any advantage he could get - By annoying and insulting Frazier he hoped to find a weakness in Fraziers resolve, thus putting him off his gameplan...Didnt work and in the long run it seems Ali came off the worst from the punishment he took in the 3 fights they had.

Bowe shoed his weakness by proving he wasnt focused by lashing out unthinkingly when provoked, not good for a disiplined sport but maybe a microcosm of Bowes unfocussed career

[dabox]

Somtimes it takes the bigger man.

No doubt about it.



yeah isnt that what would a coward would say after chickening out hahaha
(fact is you have to act differently in different situations)




ofcourse frazier was no coward, but its too bad he was too much of a gentlemen against ali.....


everyone talks about ali finding any advantage etc, i doubt he would have held any mental edge after picking his teeth off the floor


point is if someone broke my face, i think they would have the mental edge

[AnthonyJ74]

Hitting someone is illegal....even for professional fighters outside the ring. Bowe's lucky he didn't get arrested and charged with assault. I know the Donald camp was seriously considering pressing charges against Bowe. Bowe could have wrecked the whole fight if Donald suffered a cut or a broken nose or something. What a moron Bowe was. I doubt he would have done that if it were Tyson or Lewis badmouthing him at the time.......Typical of most so-called tough guys, who are only tough when they feel that they have an advantage.

[VX.Nefarious]

if he did that decades later, ali would definitely be punched in the mouth a couple dozen times

[VX.Nefarious]

Thank you, and yes...Pac is a true class act.

the class act type out weights the loud mouths, you mofos act as if pac is the only one

[dabox]

Hitting someone is illegal....even for professional fighters outside the ring. Bowe's lucky he didn't get arrested and charged with assault. I know the Donald camp was seriously considering pressing charges against Bowe. Bowe could have wrecked the whole fight if Donald suffered a cut or a broken nose or something. What a moron Bowe was. I doubt he would have done that if it were Tyson or Lewis badmouthing him at the time.......Typical of most so-called tough guys, who are only tough when they feel that they have an advantage.




are you joking man, what kind of boxer presses charges because someone hit him.....
he is not a boxer anymore just a bitch who'll get laughed out of this gym hahaha

i dont know what bowe would have done against lewis or tyson but the whole thing about pressing charges is preety funny....


here is a bit of knowlege, guys who presses charges after a scrap usually dont become boxers.....


IILEGAL LOL

[VX.Nefarious]

are you joking man, what kind of boxer presses charges because someone hit him.....
he is not a boxer anymore just a bitch who'll get laughed out of this gym hahaha

i dont know what bowe would have done against lewis or tyson but the whole thing about pressing charges is preety funny....


here is a bit of knowlege, guys who presses charges after a scrap usually dont become boxers.....


IILEGAL LOL

you think like that because your a thug killa drug dealla

[dabox]

no i think this way because i have around boxing and combat sports in general for half my life.

i have boxed in many gyms and ran into boxers from different backgrounds anything from mexican to black to russian to romanian.....

i havent met many guys who would press charges after a scrap....


i live in canada now and there are way too many people who think they can run their as much they want and no one has the right to shut them up....


but anyways that guy's post is the funniest thing i have read in a while

[VX.Nefarious]

no i think this way because i have around boxing and combat sports in general for half my life.

i have boxed in many gyms and ran into boxers from different backgrounds anything from mexican to black to russian to romanian.....

i havent met many guys who would press charges after a scrap....


i live in canada now and there are way too many people who think they can run their as much they want and no one has the right to shut them up....


but anyways that guy's post is the funniest thing i have read in a while


so you would agree Manny Pacquiao is a BITCH, and you would also laugh at him? cool:pop

[dabox]

what does this have to do with manny pacquiao and the whole thing with mayweather....


one is an issue with lawsuits and roids etc....an issue which has a ton of threads on it

another one is about that people who press charges after scraps generally dont become boxers....

[Sayers]

no i think this way because i have around boxing and combat sports in general for half my life.

i have boxed in many gyms and ran into boxers from different backgrounds anything from mexican to black to russian to romanian.....

i havent met many guys who would press charges after a scrap....


i live in canada now and there are way too many people who think they can run their as much they want and no one has the right to shut them up....


but anyways that guy's post is the funniest thing i have read in a while

I know 2 lads who lost their licence for fighting in the street, one of them was a prick and just liked starting fights with strangers when he was bevvied. The other was my mate who defended himself against 2 lads then had the bizzies knocking at the door because 1 of the kids had a fractured cheekbone.

All that half your life you were around combat sports and boxing did you not hear the trainers repremand the kids, say, for being late, or for having cuts from scrapping outside the gym or being seen with sausage dinner 2weeks before a fight? The core of boxing is not really fighting, it is discipline,in training and in lifestyle.

The purpose of Ali's mind games is to get a reaction, whether an angry reaction or confused or deflated, any reaction. If Joe attacks him, under provocation or not, he is likely slammed in the media and by the public. If they have a fight signed it is madness to attack your opponent at a press conference in front of cameras. He would risk jeapordising the fight itself, or at least a portion of his purse in a lawsuit. If you think fighters wont sue, then just look at Pacquiao at the moment.

Joe wasnt being a gentlemen even, he was just being a total professional, not worried about his opponents posturing only about preparing himself for the fight. You seem to have this childish idea of pride and respect where Frazier must immediately leap to defend any slight insult with a violent attack. It is especially ludicrous for him to do this when he can just fester on his anger for a few weeks and then have a full, one-on-one, legal 45 minutes to prove his superiority as a man in front of the whole world on permament historical record.

what does this have to do with manny pacquiao and the whole thing with mayweather....


one is an issue with lawsuits and roids etc....an issue which has a ton of threads on it

another one is about that people who press charges after scraps generally dont become boxers....

Because that is the game now, everyone does whatever they can to get ahead. There is no reason at all that someone who fights professionally under a referee will not be willing to file criminal charges against someone who attacks them like that. Some fighters may think, "okay, I'll get him in the ring" but other will think they will get him in the pocket instead, as it appears Pacquiao is trying to do.

[ChrisPontius]

haha maybe its not about being older or younger but knowing that a man should stand up for himself....and not let someone treat you like a bitch....

it doesnt matter if your 13 or 45....


maybe being a man is something you dont really understand.......


Standing up for yourself, yes. Being a low life scumbag whose only retort is to punch someone is never going to get far. You think you'll ever get a job with that attitude?

Thing is, often when i hear someone talking about "being a man", they are the epitome of insecure and/or immature and try to compensate it by an abundance of aggression.

I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but how old are you?





i like this new wave thinking.....let the other guy insult you, even slap in the face but since you dont do anything about it....it proves your the bigger more mature man hahahahaha

If your only retort is to punch the other guy, then you definitely come across as immature and you basically concede that the other guy is capable of dominating you in the verbal exchanges.

Yes, Frazier acted mature and as classy as one could, under those circumstances.

[mr. magoo]

Take it from someone who knows, street fighting and slugging guys in the face over mere verbal insults is NOT the way to go.... If you're 15 years old, that's one thing, if you're a grown man with responsibilities and things to lose, you don't want to go there.

[dabox]

I know 2 lads who lost their licence for fighting in the street, one of them was a prick and just liked starting fights with strangers when he was bevvied. The other was my mate who defended himself against 2 lads then had the bizzies knocking at the door because 1 of the kids had a fractured cheekbone.

All that half your life you were around combat sports and boxing did you not hear the trainers repremand the kids, say, for being late, or for having cuts from scrapping outside the gym or being seen with sausage dinner 2weeks before a fight? The core of boxing is not really fighting, it is discipline,in training and in lifestyle.

The purpose of Ali's mind games is to get a reaction, whether an angry reaction or confused or deflated, any reaction. If Joe attacks him, under provocation or not, he is likely slammed in the media and by the public. If they have a fight signed it is madness to attack your opponent at a press conference in front of cameras. He would risk jeapordising the fight itself, or at least a portion of his purse in a lawsuit. If you think fighters wont sue, then just look at Pacquiao at the moment.

Joe wasnt being a gentlemen even, he was just being a total professional, not worried about his opponents posturing only about preparing himself for the fight. You seem to have this childish idea of pride and respect where Frazier must immediately leap to defend any slight insult with a violent attack. It is especially ludicrous for him to do this when he can just fester on his anger for a few weeks and then have a full, one-on-one, legal 45 minutes to prove his superiority as a man in front of the whole world on permament historical record.



Because that is the game now, everyone does whatever they can to get ahead. There is no reason at all that someone who fights professionally under a referee will not be willing to file criminal charges against someone who attacks them like that. Some fighters may think, "okay, I'll get him in the ring" but other will think they will get him in the pocket instead, as it appears Pacquiao is trying to do.


well ofcourse any boxer who is not a jerk does not go around looking for fights and like any other person should avoid them if possible.

that being said many boxers have bad tempers and ofcourse your coach does not want you to fight....
but i dont care what you say pressing charges after a fight is a bitch thing to do....


childish idea....and you have this bitch idea that by doing nothing you actually are braver and tougher then a guy that actually does something about his problem...

and yeah frazier got him in the ring etc, but point is he never shut ali up on the spot and this is something is annoying to this day


again the pac lawsuit is a compete different issue, i am talking when someone is in front of you calling you every name in the book....

[dabox]

Standing up for yourself, yes. Being a low life scumbag whose only retort is to punch someone is never going to get far. You think you'll ever get a job with that attitude?

Thing is, often when i hear someone talking about "being a man", they are the epitome of insecure and/or immature and try to compensate it by an abundance of aggression.

I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but how old are you?









If your only retort is to punch the other guy, then you definitely come across as immature and you basically concede that the other guy is capable of dominating you in the verbal exchanges.

Yes, Frazier acted mature and as classy as one could, under those circumstances.




yes punching someone who is making you like bitch race trader to the whole world is a low life thing to do....

what are you talking about only restort....so what's your choice let the other treat you like a bitch, and that way you will prove that you are not a scumbag but a true brave man because it took more guts not to confront a dangerious situations.



and and what i hear about the whole immature/insecure thing is also something i hear a lot usually from guys who are too scared to do anything about their problems,

so they have to find some logic to somehow convince themselfs that are not cowards....


a person should never go around picking fights, but different situations are handled differently

i am 28


a little question for you....do you think a guy should be allowed to run his mouth non stop? and never pay for it....



i see that a lot of people in north america promoting being a coward/being a rat and masking it as being brave.....

[AnthonyJ74]

no i think this way because i have around boxing and combat sports in general for half my life.

i have boxed in many gyms and ran into boxers from different backgrounds anything from mexican to black to russian to romanian.....

i havent met many guys who would press charges after a scrap....


i live in canada now and there are way too many people who think they can run their as much they want and no one has the right to shut them up....


but anyways that guy's post is the funniest thing i have read in a while

haha......glad you liked it. But what I wrote is true. I know Donald didn't press charges, but there was talks of that happening. What Bowe did was blatant and out of the blue. It wasn't like they were both engaging in a physical confrontation...Donald was talking and Bowe approached him and bam!!!!bam!!!!!

[ChrisPontius]

yes punching someone who is making you like bitch race trader to the whole world is a low life thing to do....

what are you talking about only restort....so what's your choice let the other treat you like a bitch, and that way you will prove that you are not a scumbag but a true brave man because it took more guts not to confront a dangerious situations.



and and what i hear about the whole immature/insecure thing is also something i hear a lot usually from guys who are too scared to do anything about their problems,

so they have to find some logic to somehow convince themselfs that are not cowards....


a person should never go around picking fights, but different situations are handled differently

i am 28


a little question for you....do you think a guy should be allowed to run his mouth non stop? and never pay for it....



i see that a lot of people in north america promoting being a coward/being a rat and masking it as being brave.....

Bitch this, coward that? I rarely have to use force but i'm not a coward, either. Fighting over useless tidbits like that only gets you in trouble and living a shit life without accomplishing much.

Should a guy be allowed to run his mouth nonstop? No, but you can force respect without using your fists. Of course, there are trouble seekers, but those are a whole different category.

I'm not from North America, by the way.

[Bummy Davis]

I think People forget that Boxing is a sport. Yes, it is not for the faint at heart. I think fighters should repect one another and there is a set of rules to go by. I remember Ibragimov and Whitaker and when Goofi jumped in Ibragimovs face punches started. I remember the fight Bummy Davis punching Fritzie Zivic in the balls and I remember Tyson biting off Holyfields ear. Sometimes it is the act of a coward, who is looking for a way out because he can not win by the rules. And then there was the time Holmes jumped in Cooneys face for a race issue that Gerry had nothing to do with. Cooney should have blasted him.( but he did not have it in him) As far as Ali he may have gotten too carried away with Frazier but Ali was a promoter and did it as joke most of the time. Frazier did not want to be the one to throw the first punch and Ali did not expect him to. He was building up the gate. It was remarks that Ali said after the fight calling Frazier an uncle- tom, which was far from the truth. Was Frazier suposed to lose because Ali was the fans choice.

When Hopkins classlessly jumped in Calzages face, and said I will never lose a whiteboy. Joe just stood his ground and looked Bernard in the eyes and said I am going to beat you and color has nothing to do with it.

Some fighters have class and some do not but there is a point when you can lose your cool and rightfully so but nothing good comes from it.

In the older days it would be hard to see someone talking to Jack Dempsey Jeffries,Joe Louis, Sam langford, Harry Greb, Mickey Walker or Carlos Monzon that way without them taking it as a disrespect but fighter did have more of a code and respect for a fellow fighter and human being back then. The oldtimers were also a serious bunch and we have some modern fighters like Evander H. who is respectfull but no one to shit on.

[he grant]

I agree with Chris who appears to have a wise mindset about all this.

Ali's behavior toward Frazier was classless, mean spirited and far beyond promotion. It was ulgy and he was lucky Frazier did not hurt him. Ali got away easy in the ABC studio in 74. For most of the time Joe rolled with it but the wounds were obviously deep. Makes you realize Ali was not the saint he has been made out to be since his reinvention at the 96 Olympics ...