View Full Version : Pavlik....New Ring Middleweight Champ!!
Marcus
09-30-2007, 08:08 PM
What a display of guts and power by Pavlik. I thought he was gone when Taylor rocked him with big power punches in the second round. But he showed massive heart hangin in for the rest of the round. In the third i thought Taylor did nothing to follow up his knockdown and ending up losing round 3. Taylor has NO killer instinct at all !!!!!
The guys calling the fight were way off saying Pavlik is a one trick pony, he had a great punch output and mixed up his angles and punches.
He has huge power in both hands, i think his jab was really hurting Taylor and then his right just finished him off.
Kelly Pavlik!!!!! One of my fav fighter now.
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Dr Gonzo
09-30-2007, 08:18 PM
cant wait to give MSTR his new avatar! Pavlik really looked the goods, those straight right hands are dead set brutal. He did well to clear his head after getting belted and came back to get a massive win.
Marcus
09-30-2007, 09:02 PM
:lol: :lol: MSTR cant tip for shit!!!! But saying that i tipped against Berto :patsch
Do you really think Taylor wants the rematch? at 168?
Pavlik is the truth!! I love a big KO puncher being champ!!!
Dr Gonzo
09-30-2007, 09:10 PM
:lol: :lol: MSTR cant tip for shit!!!! But saying that i tipped against Berto :patsch
Do you really think Taylor wants the rematch? at 168?
Pavlik is the truth!! I love a big KO puncher being champ!!!
Dunno if Taylor will take that fight - i think he should avoid it though. Pavlik would have an even bigger advantage at 168 IMO - he would probably feel really comfortable with the extra 8 pounds to play with. I think Taylor will eventually move up but will want to fight Kessler or Calzaghe rather than a rematch with Pavlik
pecks
09-30-2007, 09:30 PM
Taylor has the tools to win a rematch, but tbh, a rematch could play out very similar to how this one did.
Taylor hasn't looked that great in his last 3 fights now, and he certainly hasn't taken the steps forward everyone thought he would after he beat Hopkins.
I tipped Taylor to win, but was not confident at all.
Marcus
09-30-2007, 09:34 PM
But Taylor looked his best in a long time against Pavlik, and he got beaten, i dont see a rematch being a happy outcome for Taylor at any weight.
Pavlik p4p # ?????
Im guessing he should be top ten :good
Dr Gonzo
09-30-2007, 09:47 PM
check the vcash bitches :deal
Dekkers
09-30-2007, 09:57 PM
Taylor has the tools to win a rematch, but tbh, a rematch could play out very similar to how this one did.
Taylor hasn't looked that great in his last 3 fights now, and he certainly hasn't taken the steps forward everyone thought he would after he beat Hopkins.
I tipped Taylor to win, but was not confident at all.
I picked Pavlik but without a massive amount of confidence either, I knew that as a boxer Kelly was limited but at the same time I questioned Taylors chin, defence, ability under pressure and lack of improvement/developement.
However Taylors' chin proved atleast average imo, he fought well off the ropes despite being pushed to them, defence was leaky but he had good head movement at times... he showed improvement imo, and fought a lot less tentatively. I didn't think the world of him before the fight, but his stock actually went up a bit for me, I think he has potential, atleast greater potential than Pavlik.
In Pavlik i see a good pressure fighter, but I think he's being overrated on the whole. As a puncher/offensive fighter some flaws exist, are a solid long jab, but it's inconsistent at times and can be countered (occasionally pushed, and his jab often drops straight down to the waist then comes up), so it's good offensively but hardly a perfect jab. Punching form isn't terribly tight at times, often telegraphs power shots, occasionally arm punches, hand speed is decent not great. His defence is obviously leaky due to some of his bad offensive habits combined with slower hands (than say Taylor, who might get away with a few more things due to quicker, hands, legs and reflexes).
On the plus side like I said the jab is good offensively, when he hurts somebody he picks his punches and finishes well, has a good variety of punches, has a good workrate, is a strong puncher when using proper form. Also has a big heart as we saw.
I hope he fights Abraham so I can dish out a few avatars, Abraham I feel has the right qualities to beat Pavlik. He'll get Pavlik to open right up, as Kelly pushes into middle range and wails away on his arms (Kelly like to push into his opponent and pressure, he won't exploit his size/reach to the maximum against Abraham because of that, not amazing mover anyway... though Abraham is often pretty stationary if someone's comming to him, but it works for him). There's a danger of Arthur being outworked to a decision, but his power combined with solid counterpuncing, toughness and Kellys' bad defensive habits on the attack will get him a stoppage win I feel.
That said, Abraham isn't amazing either, to me the middles aren't as impressive as the super-middles. Though that Irish fighter Manny has in his stable looks very promising, could be the real future of middleweight.
stiflers mum
09-30-2007, 10:42 PM
what a great fight and the berto fight before it was a corker too.pavlik is the man the way he come back after the 2nd.
Kegsy
09-30-2007, 10:59 PM
Killa win for Pavlik.
It was one of this years great matches.
So much excitement with both boxers hurt at different times.
EelsRule
09-30-2007, 11:19 PM
I cant beleive how partial those commentators where. To me Pavlik won the first round and the third. They never mentioned the power jabs he was landing cleanly. Even in that final round. They were ignoring the clean shots until Taylor was in the corner getting violated. They ought to be thrown out with the trash.
Taylor was winning at time of stoppage in my opinion. He was easily the more skilled of the two and landing great combos. Pavlik isnt that great a fighter but he does a few things in the ring well that serves him good.
Taylor can win the rematch but i want him to get KO'd again
nrgetic
09-30-2007, 11:31 PM
Taylor has NO killer instinct at all !!!!!
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If you watch the 2nd round closely at the closing stages it was Taylor hanging onto Pavlik, Smoger had to physically remove Taylor grip on Pavlik as he refused to listen to Smogers direction to break the clinch. Taylor was exhausted after such a high power punch output. He mentioned this in the post fight press conference that he was exhausted.
I think Taylor's stocks rose. He had a red hot dig, did is best fought a good fight and because he got tired and lazy was starting to get hit by Pavlik and Pavlik has such power that thats a one way ticket to doom and that happened in the 7th. He is a far superior boxer than Pavlik but Pavliks power and chin and consistent strategy overwhelmed him.
I chose Taylor on points because I though his speed would rack up ronds and he would stay out of trouble. Alas not but more power to Pavlik and I hope he convincingly beats Abraham and the fight is in the US and not Germany
Marcus
09-30-2007, 11:31 PM
I cant beleive how partial those commentators where. To me Pavlik won the first round and the third. They never mentioned the power jabs he was landing cleanly. Even in that final round. They were ignoring the clean shots until Taylor was in the corner getting violated. They ought to be thrown out with the trash.
I totally agree, the jabs were hurting Taylor. But now Pavlik might become the HBO boy and they will favour him :yep
Marcus
09-30-2007, 11:33 PM
Did you lose some money on Taylor nrgetic?
nrgetic
10-01-2007, 12:11 AM
I put $1k on Taylor despite musing $1.68 was not good value.
Marcus
10-01-2007, 12:14 AM
I put $1k on Taylor despite musing $1.68 was not good value.
You cant win them all. Better luck next time, or i guess you dont think about luck hey nrgetic
ashley
10-01-2007, 04:21 AM
Anybody got a link to the highlights reel?
ozziebattler
10-01-2007, 04:47 AM
Anyone know where i can catch the bout??
Tried getting on youtube but its been taken off.bloody mugs..
Sounded like a corker of a fight.
Fight was ok, i wouldnt rate it as the FOTY or anything.
Taylor had Pavlik on queer street bigtime but just couldnt finish it which wouldnt have taken too much more.
Pav is tough and just gets down to business.
Vantage_West
10-01-2007, 05:19 PM
as lennox said..."this is a tough cookie from youngstown"
shiner
10-01-2007, 07:42 PM
Taylor definitely leading at time but I agree that he seemed to get hurt very easily. either he is chinny (which could be the case due to the wars he's been in) or pavlik hits harder than many thought. combination of both I think but in my opinion pretty disappointing display from taylor. had him gone and couldn't finish him off.
I said it would be a close fight, and a hard one to pick. I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like it was. Good win for Pavlik. Personally I think he would break down AA, but get beaten by both Joe and Kessler.
Thirdgeary
10-01-2007, 08:06 PM
I thought Taylor looked great, probably his best performance to date.
Pavlik however is a steam train that just keeps coming, that long rangey jab has some serious thump behind it and those 14 inch fists must feel like rocks hitting you, i'd have to say Pavlik is my fav fighter atm... geez i love boxing. :bbb
Dr Gonzo
10-01-2007, 08:08 PM
I said it would be a close fight, and a hard one to pick. I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like it was. Good win for Pavlik. Personally I think he would break down AA, but get beaten by both Joe and Kessler.
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get ready for your new avatar
Super_Fly_Sam
10-01-2007, 08:36 PM
anyone know where i can download the fight??.. i havent seen it yet
maco_187
10-01-2007, 09:17 PM
bad luck nrgetic i thought taylor was winning well on the cards, i had 100 on taylor ud into melbourne 5-6 points lead in the grand final, wouldve collected 2000 dollars which would of been great had taylor had energy and boxed smart, he was ahead by 3 points on my car so for me it was hard to see pavlik winning hte rest of the fight unless taylor folded and collapsed and he did cos he was tired.. props to pavlik but in a rematch taylor will get him and his conditioning is the key
Marcus
10-01-2007, 09:19 PM
I thought Taylor looked great, probably his best performance to date.
Pavlik however is a steam train that just keeps coming, that long rangey jab has some serious thump behind it and those 14 inch fists must feel like rocks hitting you, i'd have to say Pavlik is my fav fighter atm... geez i love boxing. :bbb
im with you mate, what a great fighter to watch!!! his jabs are very powerful!! i wonder how long he will stay with his same coach, if it isnt broke dont fix it hey!!
Marcus
10-01-2007, 09:22 PM
bad luck nrgetic i thought taylor was winning well on the cards, i had 100 on taylor ud into melbourne 5-6 points lead in the grand final, wouldve collected 2000 dollars which would of been great had taylor had energy and boxed smart, he was ahead by 3 points on my car so for me it was hard to see pavlik winning hte rest of the fight unless taylor folded and collapsed and he did cos he was tired.. props to pavlik but in a rematch taylor will get him and his conditioning is the key
he was fit enough, said he had a very intense training camp. he just needs to let his hands go more.
pavlik will be a better fighter next fight and i see the same ending for Taylor, he should have a tune up before the rematch
Kegsy
10-01-2007, 09:27 PM
There has been talk of Pavlik facing John Duddy for his first defense on St Patrick's Day weekend.
Would be an exciting contest while it lasts.
But yeah i agree if i was Jermain Taylor i would have an interim fight prior to a rematch.
Pavlik would tear Duddy a new arsehole.
BoppaZoo
10-01-2007, 09:49 PM
i feel Pavlik although fighting well is getting way to much hype not only here but in the General aswell.
I mean this guy was hurt bad by Taylor who isnt a bigtime puncher at all in round 2. And i was really suprissed Taylor didnt end him there.
What the fuck is going on with this website lately i mean i just read a post that said
Pavlik vs Hagler Prime for Prime.
This board and website is slowly turning to shit.
Marcus
10-01-2007, 09:55 PM
Pavlik would tear Duddy a new arsehole.
Duddy has a good chin, but Pavlik is a monster!!!! I think he beats EVERYONE by KO :good
pecks
10-01-2007, 10:00 PM
i feel Pavlik although fighting well is getting way to much hype not only here but in the General aswell.
I mean this guy was hurt bad by Taylor who isnt a bigtime puncher at all in round 2. And i was really suprissed Taylor didnt end him there.
What the fuck is going on with this website lately i mean i just read a post that said
Pavlik vs Hagler Prime for Prime.
This board and website is slowly turning to shit.Theres a 'Pavlik Vs Jesus Christ' thread in the lounge. :yep
I agree with all the hype about Pavlik. But it was a great effort to come back and win like he did.
BoppaZoo
10-01-2007, 10:38 PM
Theres a 'Pavlik Vs Jesus Christ' thread in the lounge. :yep
I agree with all the hype about Pavlik. But it was a great effort to come back and win like he did.Thats it Pecks it was a great comeback i thought he was done. and i did have Taylor winning and thought he would after round 2. But hey this hype is out of control.
Pavlik vs Jesus Christ that is to funny.
Taylor is a great win against a very good champ but Taylor after the Spinks fight looked very much like he was starting to look not interested in boxing and winning.
Id like to see Pavlik against a guy that wants it bad or is a skilled quick fighter.
and actually i was thinking Abraham must be next in line for a shot mustnt he be now that would test Pavlik.
Dr Gonzo
10-01-2007, 11:19 PM
There has been talk of Pavlik facing John Duddy for his first defense on St Patrick's Day weekend.
Would be an exciting contest while it lasts.
But yeah i agree if i was Jermain Taylor i would have an interim fight prior to a rematch.
Duddy does have a decent chin but his defence is very average IMO. Pavlik would break through it all night long with slamming right hands
Duddy has a good chin, but Pavlik is a monster!!!! I think he beats EVERYONE by KO :good
Your over rating Pavlik IMO. He has a heap of technical flaws. Taylor was an idiot for trying to trade with him. Anyone who boxes Pavlik can and will beat him. Kessler and Calzaghe would both beat him. He is really nothing special. He will succeed if he stays at middle because the division is fairly weak. AA is over rated IMO also, and a turtle shell defense is bad news against a big puncher like Pavlik.
BoppaZoo
10-01-2007, 11:31 PM
Your over rating Pavlik IMO. He has a heap of technical flaws. Taylor was an idiot for trying to trade with him. Anyone who boxes Pavlik can and will beat him. Kessler and Calzaghe would both beat him. He is really nothing special. He will succeed if he stays at middle because the division is fairly weak. AA is over rated IMO also, and a turtle shell defense is bad news against a big puncher like Pavlik.i feel Abraham has enough ability to outbox Pavlik and well said MSTR(Roy Roy).
i feel Abraham has enough ability to outbox Pavlik and well said MSTR(Roy Roy).
I will try and watch some more AA if this match gets made. The fights and footage I have seen I have not been as impressed as some.
BoppaZoo
10-01-2007, 11:43 PM
I will try and watch some more AA if this match gets made. The fights and footage I have seen I have not been as impressed as some.He looked gone after he was round 2. I just cant believe Taylor let him get away with it.
Pavlik has more hype than Arce got. Kessler would kill Pavlik and i actually feel Kessler would stop him. Anyone with decent enough skills and actually knows the art of boxing will beat Pavlik he is just to slow and his punch's are telegraffed. Taylor just lost his head and should have never stood toe to toe with Pavlik.
I give Kelly props for beating Taylor but hell Taylor isnt as good as everyone thought either. I mean Taylor looked not interested after the Spinks fight it was like he was over boxing and ready to move onto something else.
Still trying to come to terms with all this hype.
doublesuited
10-02-2007, 12:06 AM
Pavlik is a bum.
My boy JT was robbed.
Kegsy
10-02-2007, 12:10 AM
Pavlik is a bum.
My boy JT was robbed.:patsch:-(
stiflers mum
10-02-2007, 12:33 AM
Pavlik is a bum.
My boy JT was robbed.
sick of being being called a fuckwit by the general forum?
want some aussie abuse?
ok.fair dinkum you're a deadset fuckwit.
Dr Gonzo
10-02-2007, 12:41 AM
Pavlik is a bum.
My boy JT was robbed.
fuck off mate - your just pissed off that your arse feels like a pin cushion after all the cocks its been copping.
Marcus
10-02-2007, 01:17 AM
Your over rating Pavlik IMO. He has a heap of technical flaws. Taylor was an idiot for trying to trade with him. Anyone who boxes Pavlik can and will beat him. Kessler and Calzaghe would both beat him. He is really nothing special. He will succeed if he stays at middle because the division is fairly weak. AA is over rated IMO also, and a turtle shell defense is bad news against a big puncher like Pavlik.
I cant believe you think he is nothin special. Watch the fight, Pavlik is a very good boxer with one punch KO power.
WhataRock
10-02-2007, 01:18 AM
I cant say Im not suprised that Pavlik took this out, but Im kinda glad he did, I love watching this guy fight.
Im downloading the fight now, so I can watch it again.
Pav would decimate Duddy. Duddy just isnt on the champion level, he has good offensive skills and fast hands but I dont think the power, chin, defense or all round ability to go to the next level.
Watch his fight with old man Yory Boy, he struggled to win it and got bashed badly throughout.
Imagine a puncher like Pavlik taking him on, Duddy would get torn up.
I rate Taylor-Pavlik II a 50-50 fight at the moment. Pavlik wasnt entirely convincing or dominant but he did wear Taylor down, it wasnt like a shock come from behind stoppage. Though Taylor was probably ahead, he began to wear and got taken out, no reason why this couldnt happen again. He seemed a little deflated after not being able to take out Pavlik in the 2nd.
If he learned from the fight and took a different gameplan he could very well get the win, he certainly had a better peformance in the 2nd Hopkins fight.
WhataRock
10-02-2007, 01:34 AM
I cant believe you think he is nothin special. Watch the fight, Pavlik is a very good boxer with one punch KO power.
He is special in some ways but not like the all round special guys like Calzaghe, Kessler, Bhop and Dawson are.
The thing I like about him is his flaws, it makes him great to watch.
He exposed, somewhat, some deficiencies in Taylor's chin, true skill level and ring intellgence but I was never that high on Taylor anyway. I expected Taylor to win but I dont think he had a chance against guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
As much as Id like to see it, he probably wont be reigning all that long.
He is special in some ways but not like the all round special guys like Calzaghe, Kessler, Bhop and Dawson are.
The thing I like about him is his flaws, it makes him great to watch.
He exposed, somewhat, some deficiencies in Taylor's chin, true skill level and ring intellgence but I was never that high on Taylor anyway. I expected Taylor to win but I dont think he had a chance against guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
As much as Id like to see it, he probably wont be reigning all that long.
WTF? Random small text hahaha.
Marcus
10-02-2007, 01:49 AM
I guess we will see boys, but im saying it right now!
Pavlik to be top 10 p4p by end of 2008 :good
Kegsy
10-02-2007, 02:16 AM
I guess we will see boys, but im saying it right now!
Pavlik to be top 10 p4p by end of 2008 :good
What is Pavlik ranked at the moment??:think
11 or 12 probably IMO.
Marcus
10-02-2007, 02:30 AM
What is Pavlik ranked at the moment??:think
11 or 12 probably IMO.
Not in ring top ten yet, but Vazquez in #5 :good
Cotto #10 :patsch soon to be bump out by Pavlik :happy
He is special in some ways but not like the all round special guys like Calzaghe, Kessler, Bhop and Dawson are.
The thing I like about him is his flaws, it makes him great to watch.
He exposed, somewhat, some deficiencies in Taylor's chin, true skill level and ring intellgence but I was never that high on Taylor anyway. I expected Taylor to win but I dont think he had a chance against guys like Calzaghe and Kessler.
As much as Id like to see it, he probably wont be reigning all that long.took the words out of my mouth.
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