Mayweather v Pac - fight off!

[roscoe]

Whats everyone's real opinion as to why this fight has been canned. Does Floyd believe he can't win & scared to lose his '0' or does it throw some doubts on Manny using some kind of illegal performance enhancing drug.

For the record I believe Manny's reluctance to the blood testing speaks volumes.

[Francis75]

This put a lot of question marks over Pacman imo.

[PorkChopExpress]

Hmm... I know it don't look good for Manny, but I don't believe he is taking performance enhancing drugs. Nobody has shown me evidence of it and if I was an athlete of his stature, I would be pissed if I worked hard to get where I got and people laid that shit on me too.

I don't think Floyd is avoiding the fight though either. There's no proof of that really so I wont use a double standard and say he's a coward based on my gut instinct (which never leaned toward that for this fight anyway - I think he wants to fight Manny. Though it is quite the coincidence that he has gotten out of one of the few seriously challenging fights out there for him... again).

That said... THIS IS A FUCKING DISGRACE! The world of boxing should be ashamed of itself for not being able to manage this fight and make it happen. There is some serious shit wrong with the sport for us not to be able to make the biggest fight, possibly in history happen.

The great thing about this fight is it's timing. Both fighters at the same weight. Both in their primes still. Both splitting fans 50/50 and both recognised by casual fans. Both at a time when boxing needs fights like this...

This is so jading it's not funny. FUCK FUCK FUCK

[sallywinder]

boxing couldnt make mundine fight at 154 either.....but he made the weight a week before......rrrriiiiggghhhhtttt.......

[sambo1987]

I reckon it will still happen, probably nearing the end of the year. I think all these complications are genuine, but to sort them out and then to promote the biggest fight of the decade in 3 months is just not reasonable. Shit will get sorted out over the next 4 or so months, meanwhile the hype will grow, pac and money will both win their fights in the interim (pac v foreman, money v paulie) and then by september everything (negotiations, promo, etc) would have taken place properly. Too much money at stake for it not too happen.

[PorkChopExpress]

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Yeah I think it will happen later too. I can't wait to hear the reason it's not going on though. Will the gag order ever be lifted on the negotiations this past 2 days or does this entire forum have to sit here and argue over things it don't know as fact like usual??

[Farmboxer]

Void does not want to fight Pac and never has.

Roach tried to get him to fight Pac right after Pac knocked Hatton out, but Void refused. Did anyone hear what Void, Sr. said after Pac beat Cotto?! Now wonder Void is so afraid.

[andriy]

drop them both out of p4p

fuck them both.
disgrace to the sport.

[fast hands]

Mundine and Money M are tarred with the same brush.

Mediator , retired Federal judge Daniel Weinstein called Arum and told him,

" The fight's off. Mayweather never wanted it. Manny wanted the fight.
He was agreeable to terms "

[fast hands]

Mundine and Money M are tarred with the same brush.

Mediator , retired Federal judge Daniel Weinstein called Arum and told him,

" The fight's off. Mayweather never wanted it. Manny wanted the fight.
He was agreeable to terms "


Sorry forgot to add this was reported in The L.A. Times 7 / 1 / 10

[fast hands]

ESPN reporting that Arum says " Pacquaio could be fighting Yuri Foreman in
Las Vegas on March 13th or 20 th for the WBA jnr middle title.

[Dr Gonzo]

fuck floyd... he is a bitch and making insane demands in order to have the fight called off

sounds like a certain Aussie boxer!

[perfect jet]

Whether it's true or not.. during mediation apparently Pacs team reduced the 30 day testing window to 24 but Floyd didn't budge on the random testing thing.

Floyd v Malignaggi, Pac v Foreman.

Food for thought - If Floyd is the fag in all this, how come Pac can go as high as 154 for Foreman but wouldn't go a stroke over 145 for Cotto...AND made Cotto put his belt on the line after he signed the contract.

Also...lets not forget that Floyd has conceded a few things in negotiations to get this fight happening. He could have enforced Nevada rules of 10 oz gloves for fights 147 and above. He didn't...Pac can wear 8 oz gloves. And the big one...when Floyd demanded random drug testing, Pac countered immediately with an absurd $10 million penalty for every tick Floyd weighs over 147. Floyd accepted it straight away. That point has hardly been reported.

If Pac gives a tea spoon of blood and five minutes of his time, just like Floyd would be doing...the fight is ON brothers and sisters.

[flamengo]

ESPN reporting that Arum says " Pacquaio could be fighting Yuri Foreman in
Las Vegas on March 13th or 20 th for the WBA jnr middle title.

Sounds like a good reason for any weary local fighter to stay away from the jM/W division. :D

[ashley]

Whether it's true or not.. during mediation apparently Pacs team reduced the 30 day testing window to 24 but Floyd didn't budge on the random testing thing.

Floyd v Malignaggi, Pac v Foreman.



Mayweather would flog Pac anyway :good

He will just take him apat from the outside.

[Dr Gonzo]

Whether it's true or not.. during mediation apparently Pacs team reduced the 30 day testing window to 24 but Floyd didn't budge on the random testing thing.

Floyd v Malignaggi, Pac v Foreman.

its fucken stupid... normal testing is ok for everyone else but floyd feels he is above the sport... one comment from his predator looking fuck head father and suddenly he is demanding pac piss in a bottle every 6 seconds

i dont blame pac... he is the p4p number 1 and floyd is just a cry baby who is scared of losing his 0

[perfect jet]

fuck floyd... he is a bitch and making insane demands in order to have the fight called off

sounds like a certain Aussie boxer!

Insane demands?...like having the most level playing field for BOTH fighters? Who wants that, yuck. What a bitch.

[Dr Gonzo]

Insane demands?...like having the most level playing field for BOTH fighters? Who wants that, yuck. What a bitch.

if there had been a scrap of evidence that pac was on drugs i would agree... but this is all just a farce because he isnt p4p1 anymore and he is jealous

dude, he is paranoid... pac has passed every drug test he has ever been subject to... why should floyd be able to subject him to such hard core testing regimes? if its good enough for state regulations its good enough for floyd

someone has to take a stand against mayweather... im sick to death of certain fighters thinking they are holier than thou

[perfect jet]

if there had been a scrap of evidence that pac was on drugs i would agree... but this is all just a farce because he isnt p4p1 anymore and he is jealous

dude, he is paranoid... pac has passed every drug test he has ever been subject to... why should floyd be able to subject him to such hard core testing regimes? if its good enough for state regulations its good enough for floyd

someone has to take a stand against mayweather... im sick to death of certain fighters thinking they are holier than thou

Evidence? like the evidence that Shane Mosley was using epo? you do know that Shane never failed a drug test right?...but admitted later to using ped's. If you think NSAC or any boxing commission has reliable drug testing methods then I don't know what to tell you. Most fighters aren't even tested. Urine samples? read up on what's a better method of testing for more ped's urine or blood.

Floyd can ask whatever he wants. It's negotiating. Why should Pac ask that Cotto come in at 145 and put his belt on the table? Hey, Floyds demand gives no advantage to anyone. Pacs demand aimed at weakening his opponent. But Floyd is a fag blah blah blah. Pac also demanded that Floyd lose $10 mill for every tick over 147 lbs. So if Floyd stuffed up by two pounds he would lose just about all his purse. Guess what...Floyd agreed to it.

Don't make it sound so dramatic. Floyd isn't subjecting Manny to anything that he wouldn't be required to do himself. If it measn the fight is at lower risk of having one or both fighters using ped's then what's not to like about that? Random blood tests aren't that bad. 5 minutes and and a teaspoon of blood. How are these "hard core testing regimes" affecting olympic sprinter Usain Bolt?

[Dr Gonzo]

Evidence? like the evidence that Shane Mosley was using epo? you do know that Shane never failed a drug test right?...but admitted later to using ped's. If you think NSAC or any boxing commission has reliable drug testing methods then I don't know what to tell you. Most fighters aren't even tested. Urine samples? read up on what's a better method of testing for more ped's urine or blood.

Floyd can ask whatever he wants. It's negotiating. Why should Pac ask that Cotto come in at 145 and put his belt on the table? Hey, Floyds demand gives no advantage to anyone. Pacs demand aimed at weakening his opponent. But Floyd is a fag blah blah blah. Pac also demanded that Floyd lose $10 mill for every tick over 147 lbs. So if Floyd stuffed up by two pounds he would lose just about all his purse. Guess what...Floyd agreed to it.

how is pac demanding floyd come in at the welterweight limit of 147 weakening? he is going off history if im not mistaken... floyd agreed to fight JMM at 144 and came in at 147 and couldnt have given a shit about the fine...

he should fucken agree to 147.... floyd agreed to it because he knows he wont come in over 147... when has he struggled to make weight?... and he doesnt need to worry about size against the obviously smaller man

[perfect jet]

how is pac demanding floyd come in at the welterweight limit of 147 weakening? he is going off history if im not mistaken... floyd agreed to fight JMM at 144 and came in at 147 and couldnt have given a shit about the fine...

he should fucken agree to 147, people fight under weight limits for belts all the time but not fucking over

Re-read my post. He asked "Cotto" to come in at 145. A weight Cotto hadn't been at since 2007.

As for Floyd and 147...yes he did come in heavy for JMM. It's the only time he hasn't made weight. Now tell me when was the last time you heard of a fighter being fined $10 million for every tick (not pound) he is over the limit?

[Max Power]

And it once was the sport of kings..........

Pac should've just stuck out his arm and said "test me" the second FLoyd asked.
It was all just a "mind" game anyway. Problem with all these fighters and their mind games is that they are just not very smart.
Seriously (If Pac is clean, and I think he is) it would've shut Floyd up on the spot.
And no, it's not to build interest in the fight. I'm losing interest, and I'm a fan.

All this "boxing is a business" shit, is just ridiculous. It is a sport.
If you think it's a businees, then you are a pretty shitty business man.
Blow the biggest fight in history Mr Business man. Well done

What school did you attened? The B'hop School of negotiation?

[sambo1987]

I don't see what all the fuss it about. Pac should just take the blood test. The more he objects to it the gultier he looks. Although I personally dont think he's on anything, all this refusal is doing more bad than goood for his name. People will say "he shouldn't have to" etc, etc, but everythings a compromise and Mayweather has agreed to some ridiculous requests as well (as mentioned: weight penalty, glove size.)

Anyway, I still think it will go ahead. All this shit is just mind games by Mayweather and I think he's got under Manny's skin as intended. Awesome. Let's fight now.

[perfect jet]

And it once was the sport of kings..........

Pac should've just stuck out his arm and said "test me" the second FLoyd asked.
It was all just a "mind" game anyway. Problem with all these fighters and their mind games is that they are just not very smart.
Seriously (If Pac is clean, and I think he is) it would've shut Floyd up on the spot.
And no, it's not to build interest in the fight. I'm losing interest, and I'm a fan.

All this "boxing is a business" shit, is just ridiculous. It is a sport.
If you think it's a businees, then you are a pretty shitty business man.
Blow the biggest fight in history Mr Business man. Well done

What school did you attened? The B'hop School of negotiation?

Or Pac could have said stuff you floyd and walked away. But he and his team came up with a bunch of excuses, each being as pitiful as the next. Heck, they weren't even on the same page.

* Roach says Manny is superstitious about needles. Pac has jail house tats. LOL

*Roach then changed to urine samples being a better testing method. Victor Conte and 99.9% of experts disagree.

*Roach then changes to "Pac can be blood tested a weak before the fight".

*Roach storms out of an interview after the interviewer questions him about urine v blood samples. Roach is definete that Urine samples are a better testing method for epo. The interviewer informs Roach that he is a qualified bio-chemist and asks Roach again if he really believes it. Interview ended, the guy is now banned from Wild Card Gym.

*Pac said taking blood weakens him. Yet we see a video of him getting blood drawn 24 days before the Hatton fight and he is as calm and collected as ever. Bleeding during the Morales fight didn't seem a problem either. A needle and a vile of blood...for 30 mill, you really feel that weakened?

*Arum then changes to blood testing but hey, lets get the NFL testers to do it instead. Because NFL testing has really caught all those HGH & steroid users. :lol:

* Arum then goes back to NSAC and says "let them decide the best testing methods". And of course NSAC are really going to say random blood samples are the way to go here...especially since that is something they "don't do", they only take a urine sample and test for stimulants mostly. Nice call Bob, NSAC haven't got a vested interest in this huh...if they were to agree to random blood sampling and Pac tested positive, I guess it would make NSACS urine only testing procedures look pretty damn useless. Which of course they are.

*Toprank contradict Roachs "Manny will give blood one week before the fight" and state that Pac will only give blood 30 days before the fight and no sooner. I guess they consulted the chemist whereas Roach didn't. Ooops! :lol:


Team Pac couldn't have fucked this up anymore if they tried. If the aim was to clear Pacs name, it's a botch job. All they did with that fumbling, bumbling crap was send the suspicion meter through the roof.

[kruger]

if there had been a scrap of evidence that pac was on drugs i would agree... but this is all just a farce because he isnt p4p1 anymore and he is jealous

dude, he is paranoid... pac has passed every drug test he has ever been subject to... why should floyd be able to subject him to such hard core testing regimes? if its good enough for state regulations its good enough for floyd

someone has to take a stand against mayweather... im sick to death of certain fighters thinking they are holier than thou


Marion Jones the multi olympic and world champion that was recently done for drugs failed zero drug tests.

They got her on tax fraud and she gave up the other information.

[JOSEY WALES]

ESPN reporting that Arum says " Pacquaio could be fighting Yuri Foreman in
Las Vegas on March 13th or 20 th for the WBA jnr middle title.

:hey Great , That will give Choc more time to get down to J/mw to face Pacman .

[flamengo]

:hey Great , That will give Choc more time to get down to J/mw to face Pacman .


LOL... and Khoder more time to organise 3 Puerto Rican Officials. :D

[JOSEY WALES]

LOL... and Khoder more time to organise 3 Puerto Rican Officials. :D

:lol:

[ipswich express]

Well put PerfectJet. Blame Pacquiao for this one not going ahead.

[Contendo]

And it once was the sport of kings..........

Pac should've just stuck out his arm and said "test me" the second FLoyd asked.

It was all just a "mind" game anyway. Problem with all these fighters and their mind games is that they are just not very smart.

Seriously (If Pac is clean, and I think he is) it would've shut Floyd up on the spot.

And no, it's not to build interest in the fight. I'm losing interest, and I'm a fan.

All this "boxing is a business" shit, is just ridiculous. It is a sport.
If you think it's a businees, then you are a pretty shitty business man.

Blow the biggest fight in history Mr Business man. Well done.

What school did you attened? The B'hop School of negotiation?


Max Newbie - for a Newbie, it's a top post mate, well said! :good

[Contendo]

Or Pac could have said stuff you floyd and walked away. But he and his team came up with a bunch of excuses, each being as pitiful as the next. Heck, they weren't even on the same page.

* Roach says Manny is superstitious about needles. Pac has jail house tats. LOL

*Roach then changed to urine samples being a better testing method. Victor Conte and 99.9% of experts disagree.

*Roach then changes to "Pac can be blood tested a weak before the fight".

*Roach storms out of an interview after the interviewer questions him about urine v blood samples. Roach is definete that Urine samples are a better testing method for epo. The interviewer informs Roach that he is a qualified bio-chemist and asks Roach again if he really believes it. Interview ended, the guy is now banned from Wild Card Gym.

*Pac said taking blood weakens him. Yet we see a video of him getting blood drawn 24 days before the Hatton fight and he is as calm and collected as ever. Bleeding during the Morales fight didn't seem a problem either. A needle and a vile of blood...for 30 mill, you really feel that weakened?

*Arum then changes to blood testing but hey, lets get the NFL testers to do it instead. Because NFL testing has really caught all those HGH & steroid users. :lol:

* Arum then goes back to NSAC and says "let them decide the best testing methods". And of course NSAC are really going to say random blood samples are the way to go here...especially since that is something they "don't do", they only take a urine sample and test for stimulants mostly. Nice call Bob, NSAC haven't got a vested interest in this huh...if they were to agree to random blood sampling and Pac tested positive, I guess it would make NSACS urine only testing procedures look pretty damn useless. Which of course they are.

*Toprank contradict Roachs "Manny will give blood one week before the fight" and state that Pac will only give blood 30 days before the fight and no sooner. I guess they consulted the chemist whereas Roach didn't. Ooops! :lol:

Team Pac couldn't have fucked this up anymore if they tried. If the aim was to clear Pacs name, it's a botch job. All they did with that fumbling, bumbling crap was send the suspicion meter through the roof.


I've never hidden my PacMan loyalties, but I too like Jet feel massively let down by the botched handling of this from Pac's team.

More importantly, do both fighters seriously not want $40m enough to bend and make it work? Bloody hell, they must be already well sorted enough for the rest of their lives to pass this up.

As the for the Manny doesn't like needles, that is the most piss-weak excuse since Warney's famous "My Mum gave me the tablet (diuretic), and told me it was a fluid pill!"

:bart

[stiflers mum]

I've never hidden my PacMan loyalties, but I too like Jet feel massively let down by the botched handling of this from Pac's team.

More importantly, do both fighters seriously not want $40m enough to bend and make it work? Bloody hell, they must be already well sorted enough for the rest of their lives to pass this up.

As the for the Manny doesn't like needles, that is the most piss-weak excuse since Warney's famous "My Mum gave me the tablet (diuretic), and told me it was a fluid pill!"

:bart
agree i like Pac more than Floyd but sadly i think he might be on the gear.:-(

[roscoe]

There has to be some reason for team Pacman's reluctance to do the olympic drug test. I agree entirely with Jets assessment on the overall demands of team pac. The old saying if you've got nothing to hide then why worry.

[perfect jet]

I've never hidden my PacMan loyalties, but I too like Jet feel massively let down by the botched handling of this from Pac's team.

More importantly, do both fighters seriously not want $40m enough to bend and make it work? Bloody hell, they must be already well sorted enough for the rest of their lives to pass this up.

As the for the Manny doesn't like needles, that is the most piss-weak excuse since Warney's famous "My Mum gave me the tablet (diuretic), and told me it was a fluid pill!"

:bart

I love Pacs style as much as anyone mate. He's a great little fighter. I've always been suspicious of his recent performances though...and it's not like he or his team have now given me a reason not to be :patsch

I mean, Arum is at it again. So they had this bloody mediation thing the other day. Funny...Arums "compromise" was to reduce the 30 days to 24 days. :lol: :lol: Pac and his team didn't compromise anything. They got caught with Manny taking a blood test less than 30 days before a fight. How stupid would they look to still try to demand a 30 day window when there's proof Manny already took a test 24 days before (HBO 24/7 series)?

I guess if Pac had the blood taken on day 23, he wouldn't have knocked out Hatton cold in 2 rounds. LOL.

Floyd wants to fight. He has accepted:

- 50/50 split
- 8 0z gloves when he could have tried to enforce Nevada's rule of 10 oz gloves for fights 147 and above.
- Accepted Pacs ridiculous demand of a $10 mill penalty for every tick over 147.
- reduced the random testing demand to a 14 day cut off.

A far cry from Pac and his team who have basically lied through their teeth every time they have opened their mouth.

[perfect jet]

There has to be some reason for team Pacman's reluctance to do the olympic drug test. I agree entirely with Jets assessment on the overall demands of team pac. The old saying if you've got nothing to hide then why worry.

Of course their is mate. Not one of their reasons is one bit plausible or believable.

[perfect jet]

Floyd's official statement:

"Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them. "

"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass. "

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests. "

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight"

[perfect jet]

Also...

The mediator judge Weinstein, issued a statement saying that Arums claims to the media that Floyds team caused the fight to not go ahead were false. He also stated that the mediation was agreed upon to be kept confidential and that any reporting outside the mediation would lead to himself correcting any misinformation given to the public.

LOL...Arum couldn't keep his mouth shut yet again. He's a mess.

[baha74]

Now there's whispers that Michael Moorer was fired by Roach when he began to ask too many questions about Manny's supplements....he is supposedly the guy who tipped off Mayweather....

[perfect jet]

Now there's whispers that Michael Moorer was fired by Roach when he began to ask too many questions about Manny's supplements....he is supposedly the guy who tipped off Mayweather....

I read that too. But Moorer is just jealous like Floyd, Cintron, Malignaggi, Floyd Snr...:lol:

[teke]

Now there's whispers that Michael Moorer was fired by Roach when he began to ask too many questions about Manny's supplements....he is supposedly the guy who tipped off Mayweather....Shit aye, if that is true then it has sealed the deal for me.

Pac you dirty little cheat

[PorkChopExpress]

Now there's whispers that Michael Moorer was fired by Roach when he began to ask too many questions about Manny's supplements....he is supposedly the guy who tipped off Mayweather....

True or not, ofcourse he was fired - if for anything it's talking to the Mayweather camp.

[Contendo]

Now there's whispers that Michael Moorer was fired by Roach when he began to ask too many questions about Manny's supplements....he is supposedly the guy who tipped off Mayweather....


I don't buy this Michael Moorer 'blew the whistle' shit. He's the poor bastard who's going to be the easy scapegoat. Do you think if he had ambitions to be a trainer in his own right that it's in his best interests for the future, even after being sacked from the Wildcard to 'tell tales out of school'. I'm far from defending Pac or anyone if they are using and get caught, but no way would Moorer have done this.

Simple fact of the matter is, everyone's had doubts about Pac. PBF played the card with regards to testing and Pac's ran and doesn't want a bar of it, hence who's at fault - Pac!

I'm not saying Pac's guilty either, but if he had no problems/doubts etc and he's 100% clean, he should have had no problems being tested, not coming up with some of THE most lame excuses ever used in history and walking away from an expected $40m!

Moorer is just the poor bastard who'll be the butt of consiparacy theories...

:bart

[PorkChopExpress]

Fact is we don't know shit.

Pac's behaviour is suss, but it seems to me his team all miscommunicated and it made things look probably worse than they are.

I give Pac the benefit of the doubt and from most reports by those in an impartial professional position state that taking tests leading up to the fight, ceasing 24 days prior to it and continuing 1 afterwards are certainly enough to detect anything they are looking for anyway. If what they are on is good enough to escape the day after fight test then they wont be detected by a random one 14 days before it...

I've spoken to medical and sports professionals I know and seen alot of the reports being thrown around now and that's pretty much where I sit on that. 24 days is good enough.

I don't agree with Pac's stance, because honestly, what is his stance??! What have we actually heard from Pac, particularly through this mediation process, or atleast recently that states why he wont take the tests??

We have conflicting reports from his team and they need to clear that shit up stat.

Either way, if it's something that puts an inkling of doubt into his mind when he's about to go up against a person who as it stands is pretty much P4P#1 along with yourself, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it... it's certainly a massive flaw for Pac not to be able to do it if he can't for that reason, but it's reason enough if it makes him doubt himself even for a second come fight time.

ESPECIALLY if the request from the other team is unreasonable. And by my definition above, it can be seen as unreasonable when the alternative being presented is enough for the experts commenting on the issue so far (bar a few)...

In regards to Floyd - I give him the benefit of the doubt too and understand why now he is forcing the best possible testing you can get.

Thing is, he is requesting something from his opponent that no other boxer is legally obliged to do in order to commission a fight.

He's up against a guy his papa and uncle both think are on roids (which is typical of those two if you ask me anyway - nobody can be better than Floyd, if they are they're cheating??!). The Mayweathers are egotistical pricks on a good day - they are part to blame too.

Regardless of where the argument is at now, it's a clash of ego's more than anything at this point. Floyd demands this - Pac denies it.

Personally I am disappointed in them both and think it's a massive failure on behalf of boxing to not let this fight happen. If this were any other sport these two would have been forced to fight by now, according to the authorities conditions.

The fact that the sport needs an authority like that to make things like this happen is a serious blight on the current way things work...

[stuistylee]

i believe @ their supposed mediation there wasnt a mediator but a drinx waiter n theyve both decided 2 fight some1 else and let the fight build even more...hope they both get knocked out n they lose their 40mil each(i dont really hope they get knoxk out)but after being a paying fight fan 4 20 yrs i am a bit pisd at the both of ...what happens if yuri beats pac on points...superfight no more...

[sallywinder]

Fact is we don't know shit.

Pac's behaviour is suss, but it seems to me his team all miscommunicated and it made things look probably worse than they are.

I give Pac the benefit of the doubt and from most reports by those in an impartial professional position state that taking tests leading up to the fight, ceasing 24 days prior to it and continuing 1 afterwards are certainly enough to detect anything they are looking for anyway. If what they are on is good enough to escape the day after fight test then they wont be detected by a random one 14 days before it...

I've spoken to medical and sports professionals I know and seen alot of the reports being thrown around now and that's pretty much where I sit on that. 24 days is good enough.

I don't agree with Pac's stance, because honestly, what is his stance??! What have we actually heard from Pac, particularly through this mediation process, or atleast recently that states why he wont take the tests??

We have conflicting reports from his team and they need to clear that shit up stat.

Either way, if it's something that puts an inkling of doubt into his mind when he's about to go up against a person who as it stands is pretty much P4P#1 along with yourself, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it... it's certainly a massive flaw for Pac not to be able to do it if he can't for that reason, but it's reason enough if it makes him doubt himself even for a second come fight time.

ESPECIALLY if the request from the other team is unreasonable. And by my definition above, it can be seen as unreasonable when the alternative being presented is enough for the experts commenting on the issue so far (bar a few)...

In regards to Floyd - I give him the benefit of the doubt too and understand why now he is forcing the best possible testing you can get.

Thing is, he is requesting something from his opponent that no other boxer is legally obliged to do in order to commission a fight.

He's up against a guy his papa and uncle both think are on roids (which is typical of those two if you ask me anyway - nobody can be better than Floyd, if they are they're cheating??!). The Mayweathers are egotistical pricks on a good day - they are part to blame too.

Regardless of where the argument is at now, it's a clash of ego's more than anything at this point. Floyd demands this - Pac denies it.

Personally I am disappointed in them both and think it's a massive failure on behalf of boxing to not let this fight happen. If this were any other sport these two would have been forced to fight by now, according to the authorities conditions.

The fact that the sport needs an authority like that to make things like this happen is a serious blight on the current way things work...


if only someone would have put the same effort into their boxing career.....:yep

[perfect jet]

Fact is we don't know shit.

Pac's behaviour is suss, but it seems to me his team all miscommunicated and it made things look probably worse than they are.

I give Pac the benefit of the doubt and from most reports by those in an impartial professional position state that taking tests leading up to the fight, ceasing 24 days prior to it and continuing 1 afterwards are certainly enough to detect anything they are looking for anyway. If what they are on is good enough to escape the day after fight test then they wont be detected by a random one 14 days before it...

I've spoken to medical and sports professionals I know and seen alot of the reports being thrown around now and that's pretty much where I sit on that. 24 days is good enough.

I don't agree with Pac's stance, because honestly, what is his stance??! What have we actually heard from Pac, particularly through this mediation process, or atleast recently that states why he wont take the tests??

We have conflicting reports from his team and they need to clear that shit up stat.

Either way, if it's something that puts an inkling of doubt into his mind when he's about to go up against a person who as it stands is pretty much P4P#1 along with yourself, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it... it's certainly a massive flaw for Pac not to be able to do it if he can't for that reason, but it's reason enough if it makes him doubt himself even for a second come fight time.

ESPECIALLY if the request from the other team is unreasonable. And by my definition above, it can be seen as unreasonable when the alternative being presented is enough for the experts commenting on the issue so far (bar a few)...

In regards to Floyd - I give him the benefit of the doubt too and understand why now he is forcing the best possible testing you can get.

Thing is, he is requesting something from his opponent that no other boxer is legally obliged to do in order to commission a fight.

He's up against a guy his papa and uncle both think are on roids (which is typical of those two if you ask me anyway - nobody can be better than Floyd, if they are they're cheating??!). The Mayweathers are egotistical pricks on a good day - they are part to blame too.

Regardless of where the argument is at now, it's a clash of ego's more than anything at this point. Floyd demands this - Pac denies it.

Personally I am disappointed in them both and think it's a massive failure on behalf of boxing to not let this fight happen. If this were any other sport these two would have been forced to fight by now, according to the authorities conditions.

The fact that the sport needs an authority like that to make things like this happen is a serious blight on the current way things work...

Quick question...if 24 days is good enough, then why do USADA do random tests right up until competition?

[JOSEY WALES]

Well if the fight is off then lets move on however i will say this , Team Pacman is coming out of this looking way worse than team Mayweather .

[perfect jet]

Well if the fight is off then lets move on however i will say this , Team Pacman is coming out of this looking way worse than team Mayweather .

Agree. Floyd is being called a fag and a pussy. Nothings changed, he's been called that for years now. Pac is being branded a suspected cheater. His rep has taken a battering.

[PorkChopExpress]

Quick question...if 24 days is good enough, then why do USADA do random tests right up until competition?

I guess thats part of my point kinda... if Marion Jones can pass it, among others, then what's the point in it all anyway?

Athletes cheat... and don't always know it. What if, when it was initially stated that Pac would take the testing when ever by who ever, someone in Pac's camp piped up and said "well, he's actually had this or that which will come up positive in that testing" - it's not like if someone was giving them to him would broadcast to the team at all... possibly not even telling Pac the truth about what he was getting. When the threat of testing became reality, the person opened up and that is when the turn around occurred and Pac refused? Long shot, but would explain a lot.

Hmm anyway, I'm sour about it all, obviously and think both sides are acting questionably.

[PorkChopExpress]

if only someone would have put the same effort into their boxing career.....:yep

Grown ups are trying to have a discussion. Shhh

[OZ Puncher]

I don't suspect Pac to have taken PED's BUT if he was so clean just give up your 25 ml of blood. Id rather bleed than be called a cheater.

That being said though I dont know why PBF wanted it? Has he got issues of his own? Is he scared?

[perfect jet]

I don't suspect Pac to have taken PED's BUT if he was so clean just give up your 25 ml of blood. Id rather bleed than be called a cheater.

That being said though I dont know why PBF wanted it? Has he got issues of his own? Is he scared?

LOL. Floyd has made more concessions to get the fight done than Pac. He's not scared bro. He obviously has some suspicion that the guy who will be trying to rattle his brain with punches might be doing something illegal. If you were fighting a guy who you thought may be a good chance of taking ped's...wouldn't you AT THE VERY LEAST want the best testing method available to be used?

[roscoe]

Agree again Jet. If Floyd has suspicions & wants the tests carried out, and is prepared to do them himself along with pac, I ask whats the problem. The only answer is team pac must know something will come up in the tests that will show pac is taking some kind of illegal supplement. End of story. No ifs no buts, if pacs clean why the bullshit. And if I was the next fighter in line for pac whether it be Foreman, Mosley/Berto winner, whoever, I'd be asking for the same test. I'm definately suss on Pac, which is unfortunate as I love to see him fight but its too hard a game without cheating to win.

[perfect jet]

Agree again Jet. If Floyd has suspicions & wants the tests carried out, and is prepared to do them himself along with pac, I ask whats the problem. The only answer is team pac must know something will come up in the tests that will show pac is taking some kind of illegal supplement. End of story. No ifs no buts, if pacs clean why the bullshit. And if I was the next fighter in line for pac whether it be Foreman, Mosley/Berto winner, whoever, I'd be asking for the same test. I'm definately suss on Pac, which is unfortunate as I love to see him fight but its too hard a game without cheating to win.

Right with you Roscoe. :good

And for all those that think Floyd is scared and doesn't want to fight, answer this....

DID FLOYD KNOW THAT PAC WOULD SAY NO TO RANDOM TESTING??? WHY WOULD FLOYD THINK THAT PAC WOULDN'T AGREE TO IT?

What if Pac agreed to it...what would Floyd have done then?.... asked for a larger ring? considering he has agreed to EVERYTHING so far and very quickly....I don't think so. Only one guy holding this fight up and it's not Floyd.

[ipswich express]

This is quite an interesting article. ;)

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[ipswich express]

The article is asking for a lawsuit if there wasn't some truth in it. Surprisingly, not a peep out of team Pacquiao. Disgraceful if true and the nail in the coffin of doubt, as well.

[teke]

This is quite an interesting article. ;)

[Only registered and activated users can see links] at his body in the pic, his veins have veins. Pac is on some shit for sure.

[riggers]

It looks dodgy as hell. A man willing to wage war with Morales but cannot give 25 mils of blood up to 14 days before the fight. He is always wanting his concessions. I can understand him being pissed at the accusation, but responding by refusing 'random' tests and making a variety of excuses is not the way to respond. Something is up, its a shame, because i thought Pac was great in and out of the ring. I hope he has a change of heart and proves he is clean. Then he can take the plaudits and the apologies.

[LeonMcS]

Ippy, I have to wonder out aloud, you were the first to always ask for evidence whenever Holyfield and the drug accusations came up.

Whats the difference this time around?

[teke]

Ippy, I have to wonder out aloud, you were the first to always ask for evidence whenever Holyfield and the drug accusations came up.

Whats the difference this time around?I too would love to hear this answer :p

[ipswich express]

Evander never dodged a test when asked.

[ipswich express]

I agree that Pacquiao is innocent until proven guilty, that's not my point in all this. My point, like Jet's is that his team made a bunch of bullshit excuses and somehow Floyd is the one that is getting blamed by some for the fight not getting made. Mayweather has bent over backwards to Pac's stipulations. The NY newspaper article is pretty damning though. Sure it's not enough to condemn the man completely, but it doesn't paint a rosey picture.

[LeonMcS]

You'll forgive me if I don't put much creedence in anything Tim Smith writes.

[ipswich express]

Absolutely, but as I said, it's asking for a lawsuit if it's not on the money.

[perfect jet]

Absolutely, but as I said, it's asking for a lawsuit if it's not on the money.

What's funny Ippy....Team Pac have filed a law suit against Floyd and GBP AFTER weeks of negotiationg with them about drug tests. :lol: :lol:

I mean... they were prepared to negotiate the testing but when they didn't get what they want it turns to defamation of character? How? LOL.

They are complete jerk offs in this. Malignaggi was as public as anyone in raising suspicions about Manny. I don't see his name in any defamation suit....in fact Arum was talking about Pac v Malignaggi when Floyd was off. :patsch

Floyd KO 1 early days.

[ipswich express]

That is one lawsuit that will never see the light of day. Manny's case has more holes in it than JFK.

Call it mind games, brinkmanship, whatever you want. Team Mayweather are all over Team Pacquiao at this stage. I have no doubt that the fight will go ahead. It might be one more fight each before something at the back end of the year.

[goodnight]

i heard a whisper of drug use, but not peds. Would that be why if a pos test came back he would want it quiet?

[LeonMcS]

I keep hearing about these mysterious emails that have surfaced from Pacs camp asking about positive tests.

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to produce them?

Ask Malcolm Turnball about the last time he relied on an email sent to him...

[sallywinder]

That is one lawsuit that will never see the light of day. Manny's case has more holes in it than JFK.

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cold case.....you think you superiors would let you look into that ..? :rofl

or police are as corrupt as the yanks. our last commisioner was the head of the freemasons......:patsch

talk about fucked.....:-(

[OZ Puncher]

LOL. Floyd has made more concessions to get the fight done than Pac. He's not scared bro. He obviously has some suspicion that the guy who will be trying to rattle his brain with punches might be doing something illegal. If you were fighting a guy who you thought may be a good chance of taking ped's...wouldn't you AT THE VERY LEAST want the best testing method available to be used?

Mate just questions thrown into the mix at the end. Me perosnally would be happy with the drug screen after the fight. I am pretty confident that PBF could beat Pac on/off PED's.

If they could get the sanctioning body to do a random drug test 3 weeks before the fight, PAC would be cool with that? I guess he'd have to less he get fined and banned.

[perfect jet]

Mate just questions thrown into the mix at the end. Me perosnally would be happy with the drug screen after the fight. I am pretty confident that PBF could beat Pac on/off PED's.

If they could get the sanctioning body to do a random drug test 3 weeks before the fight, PAC would be cool with that? I guess he'd have to less he get fined and banned.

All good Oz.

Few things...

A random test 3 weeks before the fight?... it's not really random then if the date is known mate.

I think I know what you are saying...Pac should narrow his window down to three weeks?.... well Floyd has given a concession on the random part by having a cut off date of 14 days. Pac refused.

Don't expect a sanctioning body to apply random blood testing to their procedures mate. For one, this sport doesn't care too much about ped's and it's an expensive exercise. You think the IBO, WBA, WBC IBF etc want to cook their sanctioning dollars on lab fees? :think

I'd bet my balls that almost every urine sample taken by a commission or a sanc org is flushed down the toilet two minutes after it is collected.

[teke]

Anyone who is a professional boxer should get unannounced tests every year.

Tough titties if they dont like it.

[perfect jet]

Anyone who is a professional boxer should get unannounced tests every year.

Tough titties if they dont like it.

:good

Especially considering the nature of the sport...the best testing methods available should be adopted. But it is boxing we are talking about here...

[ipswich express]

Anyone who is a professional boxer should get unannounced tests every year.

Tough titties if they dont like it.

Agreed, 100%