View Full Version : No Respect for JF Bergeron
emanuel_augustus
09-30-2007, 10:11 PM
There was none on this board. Many of you guys showed your ignorance by slagging the guy as a bum when it was pretty clear most of you talking crap had never seen the guy fight, just assuming Valuev would destroy him.
I didn't see the fight, but by all accounts it was close, and a few people told me they had JFB winning and that even the German crowd booed the decision.
There are knowledgeable posters on this board, but too often people talk junk with zero analysis or substance to back up their statements.
here you can see the boring Valuev fight
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Illmatic
09-30-2007, 10:33 PM
Valuev getting a gift decision! :scaredas:
badreader
09-30-2007, 10:59 PM
BS. Valuev won fair and square. Although my score is 7-5 in his favor.
Jambon
10-01-2007, 01:38 AM
Valuev proved he is a bum by selecting an unknown for an opponent. Then almost lost to him. Only thing he did more then Bergeron is move forward and pressed the "action", but he was beaten to the punch for most parts of the fight.
Rick G
10-01-2007, 02:34 AM
You are right, man. I have to apologize for my jokes about Bergeron. The fight was close, so he is on the same level as Donald, Ruiz, Chagaev. He had a gameplan and scored well.
heerko koois
10-01-2007, 05:06 AM
115-113 Valuev .....pretty close ...
Astola
10-01-2007, 05:56 AM
You are right, man. I have to apologize for my jokes about Bergeron. The fight was close, so he is on the same level as Donald, Ruiz, Chagaev. He had a gameplan and scored well.
My apologies as well. I just think that he looks damn funny. I have respect for him being a fighter and all but goddamn he looks like my avatar :blood
LeonMcS
10-01-2007, 06:17 AM
What do you mean? That is JFB.
ChrisPontius
10-01-2007, 07:32 AM
I scored the fight for Bergeron. He scored on clean punching (landing with those straight lefts over and over, stunning Valuev in the 2nd which the German broadcast won't even show in the highlights, that should tell you something), ring generalship (avoiding Valuev's jab all night, step in, land, step out), defense (Valuev only started landing with consistency from round 10 on) and effective agressiveness (when he came in, he usually landed, when Valuev came forward he missed most and was agressive but not effective).
Valuev came on really nice from round 10 when he ducked almost everytime Bergeron came forward, but i had him losing already too many early and mid rounds to still win it. Bergeron did not impress me that much, but i thought he took it.
Valuev is just too hard to beat, you can't knock him out, the crowd responds mostly to his actions and the judges will always favor him in close fights (Bergeron, Ruiz, Donald).
ufoalf
10-01-2007, 08:14 AM
There was none on this board. Many of you guys showed your ignorance by slagging the guy as a bum when it was pretty clear most of you talking crap had never seen the guy fight, just assuming Valuev would destroy him.
I didn't see the fight, but by all accounts it was close, and a few people told me they had JFB winning and that even the German crowd booed the decision.
There are knowledgeable posters on this board, but too often people talk junk with zero analysis or substance to back up their statements.
Don't give into the hype. It was a landslide. The crowed booed not because of the way decision went but by how marginal it was. 118-111 is DECENT score, mine was 117-112. AT BEST(for Bergeron) it was 116-113. Theres no fuckin way someone could score this fight for Bergeron unless you don't know a jab from a cross or you're EXTREMELY biased.
Bergeron did decent but it WAS an easy fight for Valuev.
Bergeron did a good job avoiding Valuev most of the time. But I guess it took him too much efforts and in the last 3 rounds he could offer anything back. Yes, he made the giant look bad for while but one cannot win circling around and throwing 5 or 6 punches per round. I guess from now one everyone fighting Valuev will follow the pattern. Run alot and throw fast but light punches in order to get the audience approval. I had it 116-112 for Valuev.
Tom_Tocca
10-01-2007, 11:06 AM
Here's my fair and honest view of the action:
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Well, it was a bad fight, even for Valuev's standard, that's why Bergeron didn't look like the bum he is. It doesn't require a lot of skill to run along the ropes for the whole fight and 3-4 times per round storm in trying to land a left hoping to surprise Valuev. There is absolutely no doubt that Valuev won the fight, 7-5 or 8-4 is about right. People that have Bergeron winning are just plain haters, that's all.
1-Ton
10-01-2007, 11:28 AM
There was none on this board. Many of you guys showed your ignorance by slagging the guy as a bum when it was pretty clear most of you talking crap had never seen the guy fight, just assuming Valuev would destroy him.
I didn't see the fight, but by all accounts it was close, and a few people told me they had JFB winning and that even the German crowd booed the decision.
There are knowledgeable posters on this board, but too often people talk junk with zero analysis or substance to back up their statements.
You should probably watch the fight, then. Bergeron did nothing to warrant any more respect than he was already getting (which was little). I'm not saying Valuev looked good either, but to his credit, Bergeron was running away from him the whole fight.
cross_trainer
10-01-2007, 11:35 AM
Although my Bergeron avatar is a little tongue-in-cheek, I was genuinely rooting for Bergeron to win the fight.
Azriel
10-01-2007, 12:32 PM
WTF is it about running!!!??? Mayweather is running, Bergeron is running. Hell, the guy in front of him was 100lbs heavier and 7 feet tall. You guys would stand and trade?:patsch
It's a gameplan like any other. It's less exciting i'll admit but requires a lot of discipline. Don't you guys think he wanted to step in when he shook Valuev in the second? He said on a radio interview that he saw Valuev's knees buckle in the second, he didn't press because it was only the second round and he didn't want to gass out.
Remembering something? Taylor maybe?:!:
He was intelligent by keeping his distance and not going toe to toe with the monster. I would have ran out of the ring.
Props to Bergeron for a nice and intelligently fought bout.:rasta
emanuel_augustus
10-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Well, it was a bad fight, even for Valuev's standard, that's why Bergeron didn't look like the bum he is. It doesn't require a lot of skill to run along the ropes for the whole fight and 3-4 times per round storm in trying to land a left hoping to surprise Valuev.
It's called boxing. He's supposed to stand and trade right hands with a guy that has 100+ pounds him? Get real. Bergeron moved and countered. If he would have let his hands go a bit more, he could have won.
My point was that all these guys were screaming how much he sucked before the fight when it was clear they had never seen the guy.
I had seen several of his fights and knew there were skills there that would probably prevent Valuev from stopping him and would make the bout competitive.
It was no foty, but Bergeron can box and it would be interesting to see him in there with other guys in the top 15 or so. JFB belongs in the top 20 or 25.
I haven't watched the whole fight yet, will post my score later.
1-Ton
10-01-2007, 01:39 PM
WTF is it about running!!!??? Mayweather is running, Bergeron is running. Hell, the guy in front of him was 100lbs heavier and 7 feet tall. You guys would stand and trade?:patsch
It's a gameplan like any other. It's less exciting i'll admit but requires a lot of discipline. Don't you guys think he wanted to step in when he shook Valuev in the second? He said on a radio interview that he saw Valuev's knees buckle in the second, he didn't press because it was only the second round and he didn't want to gass out.
Remembering something? Taylor maybe?:!:
He was intelligent by keeping his distance and not going toe to toe with the monster. I would have ran out of the ring.
Props to Bergeron for a nice and intelligently fought bout.:rasta
I'm pretty sure the strategy was to make Valuev chase him and consequently tire the much bigger man. This was a tactic employed successfully by Chagaev. The difference between Chagaev and Bergeron though, is that Chagaev was actually throwing punches. Sure, Bergeron put together a few impressive combinations, even wobbling Valuev in the 2nd, but he was far too tentative overall to make statement.
Bigcat
10-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Bergeron is a decent fighter, but was just pipped to the post.. The size make that slight difference.. If they were both say 6 ft 4 it would have been a different case.
Azriel
10-01-2007, 02:11 PM
I am not comparing Chagaev with Bergeron though. Chagaev is WAY better.:rasta
shavers
10-01-2007, 02:27 PM
Don't give into the hype. It was a landslide. The crowed booed not because of the way decision went but by how marginal it was. 118-111 is DECENT score, mine was 117-112. AT BEST(for Bergeron) it was 116-113. Theres no fuckin way someone could score this fight for Bergeron unless you don't know a jab from a cross or you're EXTREMELY biased.
Bergeron did decent but it WAS an easy fight for Valuev.
Good post, I agree 100%
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