Ricky Burns forced to fight for world title in Puerto Rico

[Bugsy McAlpine]

Jim Black
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So far, of the country’s 15 champions, only Ken Buchanan has overcome all obstacles in the path of a Scot attempting to secure a full-blown world title on foreign soil.
The gifted Edinburgh boxer did so in 1970 when he defeated Ismael Laguna, of Panama, in San Juan, Puerto Rico, by dint of a points win, to secure the World Boxing Association lightweight title.
Now Ricky Burns must match Buchanan’s feat after it was confirmed yesterday that the 26-year-old from Coatbridge will challenge Puerto Rican Roman Martinez for his World Boxing Organisation crown on March 6.
The fact that the WBO’s headquarters are based in that country adds to the magnitude of Burns’ task following his manager Alex Morrison’s decision to sign a five-figure contract giving Martinez home advantage.
Morrison rejected an earlier offer from the Martinez camp of £50,000 tax-free, but he revealed that the new deal is worth substantially more.
“We would obviously prefer that the fight was taking place in Scotland but it proved impossible to put together an attractive enough package to persuade Martinez to come here,” said Morrison.
Burns, for his part, insisted: “Fighting away from home holds no fears for me. That takes all the pressure off me and lets me get on with what I have to do.
“But I will have to go out and win much more clearly to get the verdict than if the fight was happening in Glasgow. I will either have to stop him or win every round convincingly because, if it’s close, Martinez having home advantage could go against me.
“But I have boxed away from home in the past and handled it and I know that I have the tools in the bag to beat Martinez. I watched his fight with Nicky Cook, when he won the title last March, and Cook was beating him until he decided to stand and trade punches.
“I won’t make the same mistake. My trainer, Billy Nelson, and I sat down and had a chat about the best way to approach this fight and we have been working on my speed and movement.”

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[kosaros]

That is bad news. Dunky and a couple of other Scottish posters said that it was bad that Morrison was negotiating the fight and they have been proved right.

[GPater11093]

The next Ken Buchanan, I asure you.

[Bugsy McAlpine]

That is bad news. Dunky and a couple of other Scottish posters said that it was bad that Morrison was negotiating the fight and they have been proved right.

Sadly i don't see Burns beating Martinez over there. Thanks Alex Morrison.:roll:

[MIK1000]

They won't show it on UK tele either will they?

[Bugsy McAlpine]

They won't show it on UK tele either will they?

I don't think so.

[theuppercut]

Ah well, better book my flight then.

[robpalmer135]

fools. complete fools. theres no way ricky wins this fight in puerto rico.

[victorhugo4222]

fools. complete fools. theres no way ricky wins this fight in puerto rico.

And why is that??? Ricky will put on the best display of his career so far and take this UD or possibly even late stoppage.

[Lee Mc]

fools. complete fools. theres no way ricky wins this fight in puerto rico.

To be honest I don't think Ricky would win this fight if it was in his own backyard either. I love Ricky's style but I think Martinez is just too good for him.

Of course I hope I'm proved completely wrong.

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't see what the big deal is about fighting abroad.

There's only two of them in a ring, wearing the same size gloves.

More focus on gameplan, less on location.

Winning in someone's backyard is all the better anyway.

[brown bomber]

Really hope he can pull this off, cracking lad is ricky- I'm very worried about his chances over there!

[Top Dog]

Really hope he can pull this off, cracking lad is ricky- I'm very worried about his chances over there!


Shite! I'm with you on this one Jeff. Everyone can keep on saying "its the same size ring and gloves etc etc, but anyone who knows the bigger picture can see what could happen over there. Burns boxes the face off him and doesnt get it anyway, and worse still no fucker can watch it! Burns needs to stop this guy to get it, for me at least. Mon Rickster!!!

[Harry Chibber]

I don't see what the big deal is about fighting abroad.

There's only two of them in a ring, wearing the same size gloves.

More focus on gameplan, less on location.

Winning in someone's backyard is all the better anyway.

Well if Billy can install the same attitude that Simpson has for his away fights then I've every faith he can take home the belt..

Have to say though... absolutely gutted this isn't in Glasgow.

[leforge]

Did ****** not want to bid for it?

[anjawnaymiz]

we know ricky struggles to break an egg so he'll have fun getting a decision over there.

good luck!

[Mazallan]

cmon burns!!!!!!!!!!

[alba]

if this is the case ,then i am disspapointed that Frank ****** dosent value Burns or rate him highly enough to back it up with a winning purse bid,that is even if he actually bidded for it .dissapointed ot hear this although i do think burns can win this

[Top Dog]

Did ****** not want to bid for it?

Aye, a botlla ginger and a curly wurly. Tight fisted twat

[Top Dog]

we know ricky struggles to break an egg so he'll have fun getting a decision over there.

good luck!

Actually Ricky can hit fairly hard when he sits down on his punches, but just doesnt fight like that unless forced to. I sparred him in the barn a few years back and when he does give it a 100% its a good shot, didnae hurt me of course :D

[robpalmer135]

Shite! I'm with you on this one Jeff. Everyone can keep on saying "its the same size ring and gloves etc etc, but anyone who knows the bigger picture can see what could happen over there. Burns boxes the face off him and doesnt get it anyway, and worse still no fucker can watch it! Burns needs to stop this guy to get it, for me at least. Mon Rickster!!!

He is going to be so sunburnt by the time he gets in the ring.

[howarya]

ricky what have you done??

[threethirteen]

Let's have respect for a guy who is confident enough in his abilities to fight away from home. I think it's the right choice - let's not have him winning the fight by dubious hometown decision, let's see him go and put on the best display of his career.

Cook was able to box Martinez, and I think Ricky's got a better chin than Nicky does. It'll be tight, but if Ricky boxes with the form he's been showing in recent fights, I can see him winning a close UD.

[moorser]

burns hasnt got a hope

he struggled with o'hara who is a part time boxer and beat up a shot gomez

dosent deserve a shot at a genuine "world title"

[Robert]

it says in todays record it is still going to purse bids

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[GPater11093]

Matinez won his title over here, why not le thim have a defence at home, Burns can bring back the title

[billy nelson]

im going to be completly honest,if theres one man i'd want that could perform in a intimidating atmosphere its ricky burns,people are entitled to there opinion,but it will be so good to give the doubters the finger when we bring back the title.

[GPater11093]

im going to be completly honest,if theres one man i'd want that could perform in a intimidating atmosphere its ricky burns,people are entitled to there opinion,but it will be so good to give the doubters the finger when we bring back the title.

:lol::lol:

Martinez can be beat. Also Billy if your looking for footage of him I have afew of his bouts on DVD

[alba]

im going to be completly honest,if theres one man i'd want that could perform in a intimidating atmosphere its ricky burns,people are entitled to there opinion,but it will be so good to give the doubters the finger when we bring back the title.


so is this as good as done for Puerto Rico?

[billy nelson]

im not sure,ricky will fight this guy wherever were told,were very confident without being over confident,G plater thank you very much for your offer mate but ive been watching this guys last 2 fights for weeks,ps im fluent in peurto rican now!

[GPater11093]

im not sure,ricky will fight this guy wherever were told,were very confident without being over confident,G plater thank you very much for your offer mate but ive been watching this guys last 2 fights for weeks,ps im fluent in peurto rican now!

No problem, just offering just in case - always willing to help a potential Scottish champ

found fights with:
Roman 'Rocky' Martinez vs Daniel Jimenez /Christian Favela /Santos Benavides

[Mazallan]

but it will be so good to give the doubters the finger when we bring back the title.


You bring the finger...I'll bring the lube.

[howarya]

what has happened to cook since his loss to martinez??

[Mandanda]

what has happened to cook since his loss to martinez??
Someone in another thread said he's been having ongoing back problems that he hasn't got over yet.

[lusop]

what has happened to cook since his loss to martinez??
heard thro the grapevine that being called up as sparring partner for ricky burns ahead of martinez bout, which was confirmed by billy yest....

[John18]

c'mon Ricky!

Hope he can do it.

[Top Dog]

im going to be completly honest,if theres one man i'd want that could perform in a intimidating atmosphere its ricky burns,people are entitled to there opinion,but it will be so good to give the doubters the finger when we bring back the title.

Ho Billy I hope that aint directed at me! I know Ricky can fight, but just think unless he gets a ko he will be up against it to win on points over there, not because he cant do it, but because they are less than fair over there, no what I mean.:good

[billy nelson]

heard thro the grapevine that being called up as sparring partner for ricky burns ahead of martinez bout, which was confirmed by billy yest....nicky cook is far to good to be described as a sparring partner

[billy nelson]

Ho Billy I hope that aint directed at me! I know Ricky can fight, but just think unless he gets a ko he will be up against it to win on points over there, not because he cant do it, but because they are less than fair over there, no what I mean.:goodnot at all top dog,just to many negative people out there,take care mate.

[lusop]

nicky cook is far to good to be described as a sparring partner
yer billy make u rite, but if i had put teacher u would of been peed off haha..... hope ur well billy.. good luck to Ricky.....

[Top Dog]

not at all top dog,just to many negative people out there,take care mate.

Sound mate! Actually I was chatting to you at Torra not long ago, but you wouldnae have known it was topdog:yep I will give you a shout if I see you at the McAllister fight:good

[Mookhound]

WHAT ON EARTH HAS RICKY BURNS DONE TO JUSTIFY A SHOT AT A WORLD TITLE????????????????????????????????????

Madness, there must be some well p*ssed off contenders out there.

[GPater11093]

Well Billy you got to give us ESBers the date your plane touches back down in Scotland so we can cheer Ricky in.

[royalt0208]

WHAT ON EARTH HAS RICKY BURNS DONE TO JUSTIFY A SHOT AT A WORLD TITLE????????????????????????????????????

Madness, there must be some well p*ssed off contenders out there.

Have you seen the Super Featherweight ranks it's the weakest division in boxing at the world level it's seriously lacking in names and talent, in any other division I would agree but in this case Ricky is one of the best contenders out there cmon Ricky :good

[MIK1000]

Actually Ricky can hit fairly hard when he sits down on his punches, but just doesnt fight like that unless forced to. I sparred him in the barn a few years back and when he does give it a 100% its a good shot, didnae hurt me of course :D



when were u down the barn Top Dog ya nugget?

[Top Dog]

when were u down the barn Top Dog ya nugget?


Been to the barn loads of times, ah got you wondering who I am now eh:yep
You still down there Mik? Hows Rab keeping, I've not been for a while now since I moved into the west end, but heard his wife had died, shame, he is a top guy the wee fella.

[Gaz S]

Ricky's certainly up against it... but I hope against all hopes he pulls it off! A hard working servant to the sport, professional attitude and he's a top fella and he deserves his chance. He has a great trainer in Billy and has improved a lot in recent times. 110% behind him all the way, and wish for him all the very best.

Come on Ricky!

[MIK1000]

Been to the barn loads of times, ah got you wondering who I am now eh:yep
You still down there Mik? Hows Rab keeping, I've not been for a while now since I moved into the west end, but heard his wife had died, shame, he is a top guy the wee fella.

aye he's still keeping good top Dog, training harder than of his boxers anyway haha, reckon he will live til he's about a hundred and ten.

[TFFP]

He's up against it as long as Martinez remains upright...

[king s]

I say ricky wont make it past the 6th.

[GPater11093]

king s, i respectfully disagree

Burns UD

[MTG]

all the best to ricky and its a shame alex didnt offer more to get home ground(frank too for that matter),
as ive said before,ricky can hit very hard but for some reason he doesnt do it in fights-he is more of a boxer though.
a nice young guy but its a hard test and i hope he gives it his all.

M.T

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[Top Dog]

aye he's still keeping good top Dog, training harder than of his boxers anyway haha, reckon he will live til he's about a hundred and ten.

A 110 at least bud:D One of the first guys I met in the boxing, took to him right away, he's a great character, was just a shame that Rab and Rick dont really speak now.

[billy nelson]

to be fair thats not rickys fault rab dont speak to him,ricky wanted a change and nodody can say its not been for the best.

[Top Dog]

to be fair thats not rickys fault rab dont speak to him,ricky wanted a change and nodody can say its not been for the best.


Hear what your saying big man. Course its not Rickys fault, but I can see how Rab is dissapointed. I know Rab well, he is a good guy, a great ambassador for boxing and I wouldnt say a bad word about him. Hopefully one day they will be on good speaking terms again. :good

[billy nelson]

sorry topdog im defo not having a go at rab what that man's done for coatbridge should be honoured in some way.top man Mr Bannon.yes i hope rab can see ricky had to move on and that they get talking again,ricky owes him so much.

[GPater11093]

Billy, better be training Ken Buchanan style. Interval sprints and drinking lucozade.

Just joking, but you guys have an excellant chance to make Scotland proud and im sure yous can do it

[billy nelson]

Billy, better be training Ken Buchanan style. Interval sprints and drinking lucozade.

Just joking, but you guys have an excellant chance to make Scotland proud and im sure yous can do itthank you very much mate:good

[GPater11093]

thank you very much mate:good

billy, might even try to make a trip down to see you guys train before the fight if tahts possible and alright with you?

[billy nelson]

billy, might even try to make a trip down to see you guys train before the fight if tahts possible and alright with you?no hassle as long as your healthy (not got the flu ect).:hi:

[GPater11093]

no hassle as long as your healthy (not got the flu ect).:hi:

thanks

nope, if I did wouldnt want to chance any of yous getting it. Ill contact you nearer the time anyways

[Top Dog]

sorry topdog im defo not having a go at rab what that man's done for coatbridge should be honoured in some way.top man Mr Bannon.yes i hope rab can see ricky had to move on and that they get talking again,ricky owes him so much.

Good man Billy:good I knew you werent having a go at Rab anyway, was just saying he is a good guy in my opinion, and hope him and Rick see eye to eye one day in the future.

[Dunky McCafferty]

To be honest, Im sick of seeing Rab Bannon sob stories here.

Facts are facts, Burns didnt win a thing in the paid ranks under Bannon.

The old guy should get a grip, & instead of being bitter should be shouting from the rooftops about how the barn helped turn Ricky into the champion he is today, I am sick of the 'barn boys' who come on here wishing Burns bad luck cos he went onto better things.

Rab Bannon & The Barn Boys(sounds like a good name for a folk band right there;))

LIFE GOES ON.

[MIK1000]

To be honest, Im sick of seeing Rab Bannon sob stories here.

Facts are facts, Burns didnt win a thing in the paid ranks under Bannon.

The old guy should get a grip, & instead of being bitter should be shouting from the rooftops about how the barn helped turn Ricky into the champion he is today, I am sick of the 'barn boys' who come on here wishing Burns bad luck cos he went onto better things.

Rab Bannon & The Barn Boys(sounds like a good name for a folk band right there;))

LIFE GOES ON.

I think you need to get your facts straight first Dunky rather than basing your post purely on what you've read on here. He certainly does not need to get a grip and doesn't sit about cursing Ricky Burns, neither do the "Barn boys" for that matter, in fact the majority of the lads down the Barn still go to his fights to support him. Rab has spoke to Ricky on several occasions since he left and been civil to him, so all this stuff about Rab not speaking to him is rubbish. Rab may have bad feelings about the situation but do you really think that you would find many people who wouldn't feel a similar way? Ricky is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and a terrific boxer, he did what he needed to do and I don't think many people can criticise him for it but you also have to look at things from Rab's point of view.

Not often have I disagreed with you on here Dunky but I certainly can't sit back and let you tell a man who's contributed so much to boxing and the community of coatbridge, to get a grip.

[Top Dog]

I think you need to get your facts straight first Dunky rather than basing your post purely on what you've read on here. He certainly does not need to get a grip and doesn't sit about cursing Ricky Burns, neither do the "Barn boys" for that matter, in fact the majority of the lads down the Barn still go to his fights to support him. Rab has spoke to Ricky on several occasions since he left and been civil to him, so all this stuff about Rab not speaking to him is rubbish. Rab may have bad feelings about the situation but do you really think that you would find many people who wouldn't feel a similar way? Ricky is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and a terrific boxer, he did what he needed to do and I don't think many people can criticise him for it but you also have to look at things from Rab's point of view.

Not often have I disagreed with you on here Dunky but I certainly can't sit back and let you tell a man who's contributed so much to boxing and the community of coatbridge, to get a grip.


Aye fair enough I say, I dont think I have ever disagreed with Dunky, but this is the first:yikes No Worries guys, at the end of the day we all want Ricky to do well, so fingers crossed it goes ok over there:good

[billy nelson]

i understand Rab's situation,when kenny anderson left me i was disapointed i put a lot of time and effort into him,kenny wasnt happy so he left thats his desicion i dont think it was the right one but there you go.you have to move on!

[robpalmer135]

what factor sun block you gonna be using Billy?

[billy nelson]

what factor sun block you gonna be using Billy?i reckon 25 rob,so that i look good in the photos with the belt when we bring it home to scotland,thanks for your support :bbbNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alba]

i reckon 25 rob,so that i look good in the photos with the belt when we bring it home to scotland,thanks for your support :bbbNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


just ignore him ,you no all true boxing fans are behind yourself and Ricky:hi:

[robpalmer135]

i reckon 25 rob,so that i look good in the photos with the belt when we bring it home to scotland,thanks for your support :bbbNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woah was just a bit of banter Billy. I really hope yourself and Ricky can pull it off it will be a major achievment winning a world title agaisnt a tough fighter in his backyard.

I will be suprised and happy when you pull it off

[HairyHighlander]

i reckon 25 rob,so that i look good in the photos with the belt when we bring it home to scotland,thanks for your support :bbbNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:rofl

Billy N, your ready for the ESB Lounge me thinks :good

[billy nelson]

woah was just a bit of banter Billy. I really hope yourself and Ricky can pull it off it will be a major achievment winning a world title agaisnt a tough fighter in his backyard.

I will be suprised and happy when you pull it offRob me thinks that you really would like ricky to win this fight (AND HE WILL!) :bbb

[HairyHighlander]

Rob me thinks that you really would like ricky to win this fight (AND HE WILL!) :bbb

Any rough idea when your going out Billy, regarding climatizing ?

[boxing fan]

this guy dunky says he is sick of rab bannan,how many times has old rab posted on here,none,what has this arse dunky done for scottish boxing ,fuck all but bad mouth other people,get a life,
ive spoken to rab and he hopes ricky comes home with the title,they met not long ago and had a chat and he wishes ricky well,

[jinks]

I would like to wish young ricky all the best in his title fight and i agree with mik ricky is a true gentleman in boxing he comes from a very nice family and along with his young brother david i see them both when they where having there first bouts and there last bouts as amatuers i would also think that rab bannon has nothing but pure admiration for ricky and wishes him all the best as i know the man for twenty years and NEVER ever heard him say a bad word about anyone in boxing he always trys to help anyone in boxing he bailed out more amatuer boxing show in the west east and north than any other person in boxing and he should be commended for the work he does for the young people in coatbridge i dont no why him and ricky actually fell out but i been at shows where ricky box at and rab been there supporting him and other boxers he been involved with so to end on a positive note ricky has the temperment to do well abroad as nothing ever bothers him in or out the ring good luck to him and billy and of course his management team

[Tony Bellew]

i understand Rab's situation,when kenny anderson left me i was disapointed i put a lot of time and effort into him,kenny wasnt happy so he left thats his desicion i dont think it was the right one but there you go.you have to move on!


Spot on Bill... I for one am backing Burns to come back with that belt!! He's probably the most underatted boxer in Britain right now!! He's improved 10 fold in the last 12-18 months..Billy has really put the work in with him and it's starting show now!!

Common Ricky bring that belt back home mate so we can have some Hammertime..:good:hammertime:hammertime:good

[billy nelson]

I would like to wish young ricky all the best in his title fight and i agree with mik ricky is a true gentleman in boxing he comes from a very nice family and along with his young brother david i see them both when they where having there first bouts and there last bouts as amatuers i would also think that rab bannon has nothing but pure admiration for ricky and wishes him all the best as i know the man for twenty years and NEVER ever heard him say a bad word about anyone in boxing he always trys to help anyone in boxing he bailed out more amatuer boxing show in the west east and north than any other person in boxing and he should be commended for the work he does for the young people in coatbridge i dont no why him and ricky actually fell out but i been at shows where ricky box at and rab been there supporting him and other boxers he been involved with so to end on a positive note ricky has the temperment to do well abroad as nothing ever bothers him in or out the ring good luck to him and billy and of course his management teamthank you jinks,your so spot on with rab bannon and your assesment of him,our sport needs people like rab bannon hes a gentleman and nothings to much trouble.loads of youngsters would have ended up in the jail if it wasnt for him and the guidance he gave them.as i said he really should be given some award for his contibution to boxing.:thumbsup

[GPater11093]

i reckon 25 rob,so that i look good in the photos with the belt when we bring it home to scotland,thanks for your support :bbbNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol::lol:

You think you will get any Scots over to cheers yous on?

[billy nelson]

i know of at least 20 guys so far if its there

[GPater11093]

well thats good.

Watched some Matinez today, Im sure you will know this but I think hes very dangerous if you trade with him as hes an alright counter puncher and combination puncher and a big puncher.

[Top Dog]

Cmon Ricky!!!! All the best lads!!!!!

[billy nelson]

well thats good.

Watched some Matinez today, Im sure you will know this but I think hes very dangerous if you trade with him as hes an alright counter puncher and combination puncher and a big puncher.so i take it you thin hes a bit useful ha ha! well burns aint to bad eithier gpater although very much faster.:good

[rossybhoy]

i think rab took ricky as far as he could go domestic level billy nelson has made ricky burns a more complete fighter maybe its the sparring with better calibre fighters or billys betters planning but whatever ricky does in the martinez fight he will win a major title in boxing terms ricky is still quite young if he doesnt win this time maybe next look how many fighters didnt win the world title in there first shot the one thing we should all agree on is the improvement ricky has made under billys training

[GPater11093]

so i take it you thin hes a bit useful ha ha! well burns aint to bad eithier gpater although very much faster.:good

He is alright but Burns is better. But you know the old saying dont punch with a puncher

[Dunky McCafferty]

Aye fair enough I say, I dont think I have ever disagreed with Dunky, but this is the first:yikes No Worries guys, at the end of the day we all want Ricky to do well, so fingers crossed it goes ok over there:good

Fuck sake TD, next you will be telling me Shannon was good for Kevin Anderson...

See what I am getting at here? Rab Bannon may be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know, & hand the poor kids of Coatbridge sweeties out 5 days a week, but he was never going to take Ricky Burns to where he should be.

If I am to be hated by my fellow jocks for saying so? I dont mind, its alright. Its all about opinions, & IMO Rab & the Barn boys should get over themselves. Rabs in the huff cos Ricky left him, & the barn boys have been wishing Burns here rotten luck for ages cos of it. Now that Burns looks like hes got a world title shot? The Barn snipers are holding their fire.

I been posting here for years now, & I dont forget the nasty shit the barn boys have been posting about Burns in the recent past, THATS where I am coming from here.

[Dunky McCafferty]

this guy dunky says he is sick of rab bannan,how many times has old rab posted on here,none,what has this arse dunky done for scottish boxing ,fuck all but bad mouth other people,get a life,
ive spoken to rab and he hopes ricky comes home with the title,they met not long ago and had a chat and he wishes ricky well,

Read the original post again, & you will see that I never once said I was sick of Rab Bannon.

As for the 'get a life' quote, I always laugh when a fellow ESB'er rolls that line out to me, its so ironic, dont you think;)

[Dunky McCafferty]

I think you need to get your facts straight first Dunky rather than basing your post purely on what you've read on here. He certainly does not need to get a grip and doesn't sit about cursing Ricky Burns, neither do the "Barn boys" for that matter, in fact the majority of the lads down the Barn still go to his fights to support him. Rab has spoke to Ricky on several occasions since he left and been civil to him, so all this stuff about Rab not speaking to him is rubbish. Rab may have bad feelings about the situation but do you really think that you would find many people who wouldn't feel a similar way? Ricky is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and a terrific boxer, he did what he needed to do and I don't think many people can criticise him for it but you also have to look at things from Rab's point of view.

Not often have I disagreed with you on here Dunky but I certainly can't sit back and let you tell a man who's contributed so much to boxing and the community of coatbridge, to get a grip.

Look Mik. I know Rab is a father figure to you & all the barn boys, so I am never going to be able to to have a proper debate with you or any of the other barn boys who post here about Old Rab the crab.(or should that be Rab the crabbit cos hes got the petted lip about Burns;))

The way I look at it is Ricky Burns hit a glass ceiling at the Barn, & had to leave to progress to the 'next level' & he has done just that. When Burns left the Barn originally, I posted here saying it was the correct move, & so far, it has been to all intents and purposes.

So I think I am bang within my rights to say that Rab should 'get a grip' if hes still harbouring bad feelings about Ricky leaving his gym, doesnt the old guy want to see Burns fight for World titles for crying out loud?

As for the barn boys, they remind me of the Burnley fans spitting blood about Owen Coyle leaving them to go onto better things, when like The Barn with Burns, Burnley fans should be thanking Coyle for putting them on the map.

Damn, Im going to feel bad for saying this... but fuck it I will say it anyway...
If it wasnt for Ricky Burns, who would be interested in the Barn & Rab Bannon on ESB?

Exactly.

Rab Bannon & The Barn boys should be thankful to Ricky Burns for putting them, as I said just before, on the boxing map.

[MIK1000]

Look Mik. I know Rab is a father figure to you & all the barn boys, so I am never going to be able to to have a proper debate with you or any of the other barn boys who post here about Old Rab the crab.(or should that be Rab the crabbit cos hes got the petted lip about Burns;))

The way I look at it is Ricky Burns hit a glass ceiling at the Barn, & had to leave to progress to the 'next level' & he has done just that. When Burns left the Barn originally, I posted here saying it was the correct move, & so far, it has been to all intents and purposes.

So I think I am bang within my rights to say that Rab should 'get a grip' if hes still harbouring bad feelings about Ricky leaving his gym, doesnt the old guy want to see Burns fight for World titles for crying out loud?

As for the barn boys, they remind me of the Burnley fans spitting blood about Owen Coyle leaving them to go onto better things, when like The Barn with Burns, Burnley fans should be thanking Coyle for putting them on the map.

Damn, Im going to feel bad for saying this... but fuck it I will say it anyway...
If it wasnt for Ricky Burns, who would be interested in the Barn & Rab Bannon on ESB?

Exactly.

Rab Bannon & The Barn boys should be thankful to Ricky Burns for putting them, as I said just before, on the boxing map.



I'm not here to argue with you about wether or not Ricky moving gyms has been beneficial for him or not. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't accuse Rab Bannon of being bitter and saying that he "needs to get a grip" just because of what you've read from a couple of posters on here, which clearly doesn't tell the whole story about the way Rab has dealt with the situation.

And as for the "Bitter barn boys". I think I've read I've only seen 1 poster who appears to be from the Barn on here who has slagged Ricky, he doesn't speak for everyone else. Plenty of lads at the Barn are still in Ricky's support when he fights and think alot of the guy and I really don't know of any lads that hold a grudge against him.

In response to your last point - who cares if the Barn and Rab wouldn't be known on ESB if it wasn't for Ricky? The Barn has almost definetly won more Scottish amateur titles than any other club and has done so for nearly four generations, with Rab behind it all. He known by absolutely everyone in scottish amateur boxing and will be remembered long after he and the barn has gone, which is probably more than you can say for this boxing forum.

[GPater11093]

Billy sent you a PM

Does the Barn box in all black?

[MIK1000]

Billy sent you a PM

Does the Barn box in all black?


Yes, or white, or black and white :yep

[GPater11093]

Yes, or white, or black and white :yep

Saw afew Barn boys box last year at the novices if i remember right they had alot of boys down (and again if i remember right they didnt win as much as expected)

Probably see afew at teh Intermediates at the end of Jan

[MIK1000]

Saw afew Barn boys box last year at the novices if i remember right they had alot of boys down (and again if i remember right they didnt win as much as expected)

Probably see afew at teh Intermediates at the end of Jan



think they won 3 out of 5 possible titles in the novices. The Barn have been plagued with bad decisions for a number of years, probably due to how dominant they were in every championships.

[GPater11093]

thats alright my memory is crap

[Dunky McCafferty]

I'm not here to argue with you about wether or not Ricky moving gyms has been beneficial for him or not. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't accuse Rab Bannon of being bitter and saying that he "needs to get a grip" just because of what you've read from a couple of posters on here, which clearly doesn't tell the whole story about the way Rab has dealt with the situation.

And as for the "Bitter barn boys". I think I've read I've only seen 1 poster who appears to be from the Barn on here who has slagged Ricky, he doesn't speak for everyone else. Plenty of lads at the Barn are still in Ricky's support when he fights and think alot of the guy and I really don't know of any lads that hold a grudge against him.

In response to your last point - who cares if the Barn and Rab wouldn't be known on ESB if it wasn't for Ricky? The Barn has almost definetly won more Scottish amateur titles than any other club and has done so for nearly four generations, with Rab behind it all. He known by absolutely everyone in scottish amateur boxing and will be remembered long after he and the barn has gone, which is probably more than you can say for this boxing forum.

As I just said, no point in debating Rabs attitude with you MIK, your too close to the old fella for reasoned debate.

[MIK1000]

As I just said, no point in debating Rabs attitude with you MIK, your too close to the old fella for reasoned debate.



Perhaps but doesn't change the fact that you are being given the wrong end of the stick purely from a couple of poorly worded internet posts. Rab hasn't been wishing defeat on Ricky or ignoring him as you seem to think.

[Top Dog]

Fuck sake TD, next you will be telling me Shannon was good for Kevin Anderson...

See what I am getting at here? Rab Bannon may be the best thing since sliced bread for all I know, & hand the poor kids of Coatbridge sweeties out 5 days a week, but he was never going to take Ricky Burns to where he should be.

If I am to be hated by my fellow jocks for saying so? I dont mind, its alright. Its all about opinions, & IMO Rab & the Barn boys should get over themselves. Rabs in the huff cos Ricky left him, & the barn boys have been wishing Burns here rotten luck for ages cos of it. Now that Burns looks like hes got a world title shot? The Barn snipers are holding their fire.

I been posting here for years now, & I dont forget the nasty shit the barn boys have been posting about Burns in the recent past, THATS where I am coming from here.


I hear what your saying bro! I do think Billy has been good for Ricky, I didnt say otherwise my good man. I get on really well with Rab, but the change has done Ricky good. And of course your right with the Shannon comment:yep:yep Take it easy bud, later.....

[Dunky McCafferty]

Man, you boys are up late tonight:lol:

TD & MIK, dinnae worry. This year is gonna be good for scottish boxing, & before you know it us lads are gonna be defending scottish boxing in unison, trust me...

[tonysaprano]

Man, you boys are up late tonight:lol:

TD & MIK, dinnae worry. This year is gonna be good for scottish boxing, & before you know it us lads are gonna be defending scottish boxing in unison, trust me...


Very true

[Top Dog]

Man, you boys are up late tonight:lol:

TD & MIK, dinnae worry. This year is gonna be good for scottish boxing, & before you know it us lads are gonna be defending scottish boxing in unison, trust me...

Aye burning the midnight oil as usual, have to fight to get a shot at the laptop these days, missus using it a lot for uni, pain in the arse especially when I need it to get on ESB. We should meet up at the McAllister fight Dunky, you gonna manage along?

[Smith]

I wish I could see Ricky doing it but I can't, unfortunately.

All the best though Burns, good wee fighter but he's up against it.

Intangibles people.

[wonderboy]

Come on Ricky hope you do this guy ! Go for broke mate and take back belt make us proud

[MTG]

think they won 3 out of 5 possible titles in the novices. The Barn have been plagued with bad decisions for a number of years, probably due to how dominant they were in every championships.

BOXING IS FULL OF IT MIK,
NOT JUST THE BARN BUT IN MY 20 YEARS INVOLVED WITH RAB IT HAS BEEN TRUE TO SOME EXTENT REGARDS THE DECISIONS BUT NO POINT GOING ON ABOUT IT,ITS BEEN THE STORY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS AT LEAST.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU TRAIN HARDER THAN THE REST SO IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR ANY BAD DECISION.
I KNOW THE BEHIND THE SCENE GOINGS ON WITH THE RICKY MOVE AND I ASSURE YOU RAB ISNT BITTER,DISSAPOINTED YES.HE ACTUALLY DOES WISH HIM WELL.

ANYWAY MIK HOPE YOU STICK AT IT AND STAY OUT OF BOTHER.HAHA COS WITH A FACE LIKE YOURS YOU ONLY HAVE BOXING.:bbb

TELL RAB IM ASKING FOR HIM WHILE I LAZE AT THE SIDE OF THE POOL.

M.T

['Ben']

Could somebody please remind me who the fuck Burns has beat to get a crack at a world title?

[BoroBoxing1]

Could somebody please remind me who the fuck Burns has beat to get a crack at a world title?

He is Frank ****** fighter, not one of his fighter's deserve title shots but they always seem to be ranked in the top 10 by the WBO for holding commenwealth titles.

['Ben']

He is Frank ****** fighter, not one of his fighter's deserve title shots but they always seem to be ranked in the top 10 by the WBO for holding commenwealth titles.


Oh, he's one of them fighters then.:lol:

[royalt0208]

Could somebody please remind me who the fuck Burns has beat to get a crack at a world title?

I agree but I have seen much worse, have you seen the Super Featherweight division it is the worst division in Boxing right now in my mind absolutely no depth what so ever.

[victorhugo4222]

He is Frank ****** fighter, not one of his fighter's deserve title shots but they always seem to be ranked in the top 10 by the WBO for holding commenwealth titles.

Ricky deserves his shot after being messed about by mitchell.

[boxing fan]

dont get on to burns because he has been offered a great chance,
do ur best and come back with the title,if not its a chance he couldnt let pass,good luck to ricky

[GladiatoR]

Why do people think Burns has a chance?

[billy nelson]

Why do people think Burns has a chance?you tell me why you think he hasnt? the reason he has is he quick,good combination puncher,fantastic jab and is one one britans most improved boxers,good fighters just dont live south of the border mate :bbb

[robpalmer135]

you tell me why you think he hasnt? the reason he has is he quick,good combination puncher,fantastic jab and is one one britans most improved boxers,good fighters just dont live south of the border mate :bbb

i dont think english/scottish had anything to bloody do with it.

he wanted doubting his ability. Burns has not fought anyone beyond domestic level, thats why his title shot is being questioned.

[box-now]

It's not Ricky's fault he's being offered a world title shot, I agree he's not fought any higher than domestic level but you have to move up and try sometime he's got a decent chance here, Ricky has a good chin along with excellent boxing skills. But I would bet my house on the fact that if Ricky was english the fight would be over here.

[billy nelson]

i dont think english/scottish had anything to bloody do with it.

he wanted doubting his ability. Burns has not fought anyone beyond domestic level, thats why his title shot is being questioned.of coarse h doubting rickys ability when askin "what as he done to get a shot" thats implying hes not good enough is it not? numerous boxers have bypassed european level ect to grab a chance at world honours why would ricky be any different? think about it mate FFS!:bbb

[robpalmer135]

of coarse h doubting rickys ability when askin "what as he done to get a shot" thats implying hes not good enough is it not? numerous boxers have bypassed european level ect to grab a chance at world honours why would ricky be any different? think about it mate FFS!:bbb

if he doubted his abilitys he would of said something like "he has a shit defence". he is asking why has he got a shot when he has not beat anyone beyond domestic level. the truth is he has a good promoter, thats the only reason burns has got a title shot.

plenty of fighters have done it, and everytime it happens fans will moan about it, and quite rightly so.

whens simpson next out??

[box-now]

If he was English I doubt anybody would question it Billy, you know how good Ricky is and I doubt you would allow this fight to go ahead if you felt Ricky couldnt handle it.

[billy nelson]

If he was English I doubt anybody would question it Billy, you know how good Ricky is and I doubt you would allow this fight to go ahead if you felt Ricky couldnt handle it.under no circumstances would i let ricky fight this guy if he never had more than a chance,ricky has been very loyal to frank ****** and franks rewarded that with a world title shot,we have few enough world champions in the uk,so lets get behind the guy,lets face it fighters with much bigger reputations wouldnt fancy going to puerto rico to fight would they? no hassle for Ricky Burns:bbb

[GladiatoR]

Ok, so when Martinez gets Burns out of there in under 8, you'll look stupid.

[Top Dog]

Ok, so when Martinez gets Burns out of there in under 8, you'll look stupid.

Och away and gies peace. Give the guy a break, he's going over there to take his shot, whatever happens he aint gonna look stupid, support him or sling it

[Dunky McCafferty]

good fighters just dont live south of the border mate :bbb

EXACTLY:good

[Dunky McCafferty]

i dont think english/scottish had anything to bloody do with it.

he wanted doubting his ability. Burns has not fought anyone beyond domestic level, thats why his title shot is being questioned.

Aye it just so happens that every negative fucker saying Burns doesnt even deserve the chance to go into the lions den to win a world title just happens to come from that place south of Scotland.

& people wonder why the scots are paranoid here...

Man, its gonna be funny if/when ricky pulls of the shock win, cos if he does, he immediately goes into scottish boxing folklore as a true great, this win would put Ricky Burns up there with Ken Buchanan & Jim Watt, make no mistake.

[Dan684]

I think Burns could win this and would be disappointed if he didn't. I like Burns and always have done. Martinez is a decent banger however Cook was dealing with him pretty well until he started trading, if Burns has the ability to hold Martinez off and not get dragged into a trade-off he has every chance (although I suspect he'll need to be very convincing over there)

[alba]

I think Burns could win this and would be disappointed if he didn't. I like Burns and always have done. Martinez is a decent banger however Cook was dealing with him pretty well until he started trading, if Burns has the ability to hold Martinez off and not get dragged into a trade-off he has every chance (although I suspect he'll need to be very convincing over there)


yes i agree 100% and thanks for backing a scottish fighter .

[billy nelson]

I think Burns could win this and would be disappointed if he didn't. I like Burns and always have done. Martinez is a decent banger however Cook was dealing with him pretty well until he started trading, if Burns has the ability to hold Martinez off and not get dragged into a trade-off he has every chance (although I suspect he'll need to be very convincing over there)cheers dan :nut,at least you know about your boxing unlike Mrs Gladiator whos just letting the gob rumble:happy

[robpalmer135]

I think Burns could win this and would be disappointed if he didn't. I like Burns and always have done. Martinez is a decent banger however Cook was dealing with him pretty well until he started trading, if Burns has the ability to hold Martinez off and not get dragged into a trade-off he has every chance (although I suspect he'll need to be very convincing over there)

I tend to think Martinez is big time over rated. you have to remember he was fighting in another guys country in his first world title fight. he was clearly nervous for the first 2-3 rounds. How you can say Nicky Cook, who has gone 12 round a number of times in domestic, european and world title fights faded in 4 rounds is crazy.

Martinez just stepped it up and showed he is a class apart.

[billy nelson]

I tend to think Martinez is big time over rated. you have to remember he was fighting in another guys country in his first world title fight. he was clearly nervous for the first 2-3 rounds. How you can say Nicky Cook, who has gone 12 round a number of times in domestic, european and world title fights faded in 4 rounds is crazy.

Martinez just stepped it up and showed he is a class apart.theres no time for big time nerves rob or like salita you get smashed,nicky cook imo would have won the fight if he never got caught square on with martinez's left upercut,nicky was clearly outboxing him up until that time imo and burns will do likewise with a bit more power behind the shots!:bbb

[GladiatoR]

Billy, what's Burns' best win in your opinion?

[Imperfect Recor]

What I hate about all of this is that it quickly turns into Scot against Scot - with the usual suspects joining in to stir it all up. The fact is that this is a really hard fight for Burns and we all wish him well. Let's hope he does it for all who matter to him - family, trainers (past and present), sunny Coatbridge, Scotland and even GB.

In terms if inspiration - look to John Simpson; the wee guy regularly walks into hostile territory and simply gets on wi' it. He's a credit to his country. In the past Watt and Jacobs also went where the action was; this isn't a new thing. We're a small country with a small boxing fan base; plus TV is pretty scared of boxing these days IMO; so HTF was Morrison ever going to come up with a deal that would honour the demands of both fighters? But being realistic - win, lose or draw, this could get RB's name up there with greater riches to follow.

Now how can I get aff this tightrope without injuring my haw maws!

[GladiatoR]

I can't believe how many Scottish fans feel that the only reason English boxing fans discredit their fighters is because they're Scottish.

:lol:

[HMSTempleGarden]

really hope he pulls it off.

I just hope it isn't a close fight and it goes to the cards. He isn't likely to get the decision.

[HMSTempleGarden]

Billy, what's Burns' best win in your opinion?

I would say from recent memory Michael Gomez.

[billy nelson]

Billy, what's Burns' best win in your opinion?rickys first defence at the kelvin hall he was class that night against a dangerous opponent

[MIK1000]

Billy, what's Burns' best win in your opinion?


a 22-0 British lightweight champion in graham Earl against a 9-0 super featherweight in Ricky Burns who takes the fight at only a few days notice because Earl knocked back what looked like a harder task in Ricky's stablemate Martin Watson. Ricky totally outboxes in a near shut out over 8 rounds in what was a counterpunching masterclass. Earl goes on to win the commonwealth in his next fight and then beat Romanov.

Pretty special if you ask me.

Other than that - I think stopping Akibu was pretty good.

[Top Dog]

a 22-0 British lightweight champion in graham Earl against a 9-0 super featherweight in Ricky Burns who takes the fight at only a few days notice because Earl knocked back what looked like a harder task in Ricky's stablemate Martin Watson. Ricky totally outboxes in a near shut out over 8 rounds in what was a counterpunching masterclass. Earl goes on to win the commonwealth in his next fight and then beat Romanov.

Pretty special if you ask me.

Other than that - I think stopping Akibu was pretty good.


Great call Mik! That was one that made people open their eyes and take notice

[Grant1]

I'd love Ricky to win this.

Seems like one of the good guys and it'd be great if he could bring a belt HOME.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I'd love Ricky to win this.

Seems like one of the good guys and it'd be great if he could bring a belt HOME.

I love that avatar of yours Grant, Joe showed the good side of his personality that night, he was really delighted for his stablemate, & you can see that in the pic.

makes me laugh when I think back to Joes reaction to his other stablemate when he got beat by Haye!

[Top Dog]

I love that avatar of yours Grant, Joe showed the good side of his personality that night, he was really delighted for his stablemate, & you can see that in the pic.

makes me laugh when I think back to Joes reaction to his other stablemate when he got beat by Haye!


:lol::lol:Totally right Dunky, he looked as if he was gonna go in there and stiffen him again, totally disgusted look from Joe

[jinks]

GlADIATOR scottish boxer do get raw deal as most have to go to england to fight for major titles the only scottish boxer who get reasonable protection are the ones who where with a top promotor but i must say guys like tommy gilmour and alex morrison get there boxers more chances now than they ever did so fair play to them . but make no mistake if they are boxing in england against a top promotors boxers they need to win 8 rounds clear or it going the other way john simpson got a terible decision
also i remeber kieth knox got done over with mikey vann for the british title and there many more like that its only since scott harrison got tv back to scotland that our boxer have been getting fair play just for the record it happen up hears aswell i was at a show in glasgow when tanny ahmed was knock down and was out the ref help him up he was lieing on the ropes the count should have been twenty and he let him carry on the bell rang and he won the bout at the very best it was a draw

[box-now]

Ricky is right up for anything anywhere!, the more I think about this the more I think Ricky can do this.

[ironbru23]

I had a dream last night that Ricky beat Martinez and was the toast of scotland. Unfortuntalely I had forgotten the fight was on so missed it. Hope its a good omen.

Will this fight be on TV? I know someone mentioned earlier it might not be.

[Mandanda]

I had a dream last night that Ricky beat Martinez and was the toast of scotland. Unfortuntalely I had forgotten the fight was on so missed it. Hope its a good omen.

Will this fight be on TV? I know someone mentioned earlier it might not be.
I really doubt it will but i hope it is because it's worth showing but it will be early hours of morning and i don't see major broadcasters showing it so maybe ****** may try stream it through his site or have to watch it off Puerto Rican channels online.

[moorser]

billy i hear your getting paddy hyland in for sparring

how do you rate him ???

[alba]

Do we have any up to date news on this?seems to be nowt in the media and it is getting closer to the original date.